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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Why in this day and age is abortion illegal in Northern Ireland, or anywhere?

It should be legalised everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Didn't they just vote in favour?

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Didn't they just vote in favour?"

You should of concentrated in Geography class????

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Why in this day and age is abortion illegal in Northern Ireland, or anywhere?

It should be legalised everywhere."

What are your reasons for wanting it legalised everywhere? I'm not anti abortion but I think if you're asking why it's illegal you should state why you feel it should be legal.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Didn't they just vote in favour?"

That was the Republic of Ireland.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Why in this day and age is abortion illegal in Northern Ireland, or anywhere?

It should be legalised everywhere.

What are your reasons for wanting it legalised everywhere? I'm not anti abortion but I think if you're asking why it's illegal you should state why you feel it should be legal."

Because it's the woman's body. She should have the right to decide what happens with it. Fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't they just vote in favour?

You should of concentrated in Geography class????"

Ah..I wasn't paying that much attention. I just remembered an Irish vote coming up. So is that going to be a Northern Ireland Assembly issue? I would imagine that will find it hard not to follow suit..

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Why in this day and age is abortion illegal in Northern Ireland, or anywhere?

It should be legalised everywhere.

What are your reasons for wanting it legalised everywhere? I'm not anti abortion but I think if you're asking why it's illegal you should state why you feel it should be legal.

Because it's the woman's body. She should have the right to decide what happens with it. Fact."

I think discussion should take place without either side insisting that their opinion is the only way forward.

I agree that abortion should be legal.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden


"Didn't they just vote in favour?

You should of concentrated in Geography class????

Ah..I wasn't paying that much attention. I just remembered an Irish vote coming up. So is that going to be a Northern Ireland Assembly issue? I would imagine that will find it hard not to follow suit.."

As the Noth can’t even agree a working government I think doing anything is kind of difficult. Unfortunately

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By *hortfuseWoman
over a year ago

Belfast


"Didn't they just vote in favour?

You should of concentrated in Geography class????

Ah..I wasn't paying that much attention. I just remembered an Irish vote coming up. So is that going to be a Northern Ireland Assembly issue? I would imagine that will find it hard not to follow suit.."

They have doggedly denied gay marriage so I'm assuming they'll do the same with abortion.

They've not worked since last January anyway, continue to be paid though, so they are doing sweet fuck all about anything!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What annoys me with abortion is:

If the women wants an abortion but the man wants to keep it, she can still have the abortion.

If a man wants the women to have an abortion but she wants to keep it, she can keep it and the bloke either has to bring up a baby he didn’t want if they stay together or has to pay child maintenance in a baby he didnt want for the next 18 years if they split up.

I get that it’s the woman’s body but it’s quite easy not to get pregnant. there should be a law protecting both sides wishes.

Equal rights after all...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, woman's choice to do as she feels best

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"What annoys me with abortion is:

If the women wants an abortion but the man wants to keep it, she can still have the abortion.

If a man wants the women to have an abortion but she wants to keep it, she can keep it and the bloke either has to bring up a baby he didn’t want if they stay together or has to pay child maintenance in a baby he didnt want for the next 18 years if they split up.

I get that it’s the woman’s body but it’s quite easy not to get pregnant. there should be a law protecting both sides wishes.

Equal rights after all..."

I don't think equal rights include a man being allowed to decide if a woman goes through with a pregnancy or not.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"I agree, woman's choice to do as she feels best "

In a loving and committed relationship I don't think it's about rights more a discussion and supported action regarding the decision. I don't know how many people in long term committed relationships seek abortions though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has."

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has."

RIP to a cluster of cells that couldn't actually sustain life?

If you are pro-life then your also actually against the morning after pill too, or is that somehow seen as ok?

At what point to you believe conception is life?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

RIP to a cluster of cells that couldn't actually sustain life?

If you are pro-life then your also actually against the morning after pill too, or is that somehow seen as ok?

At what point to you believe conception is life? "

You say a cluster of cells at the end of the day from the day one cell is there it’s alive. What I believe is if you become pregnant your carrying life, if you’ve taken measures beforehand then yay go you, once your carrying that life your responsible and I don’t believe in killing baby’s be it as you say “ a cluster of cells” or not

We’re all cluster of cells btw we’ve just had the chance to grow.

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By *roticGoddessXXWoman
over a year ago

Richmond

No one likes abortion. No one.

Name ONE woman who said, wow, I fancy having an abortion, I think I'll go out tonight to get pregnant so I can experience it.

That said, pregnancies happen. While men may or many not have strong feelings on how a pregnancy should progress, the woman is the one who has the right to decide what happens within her own body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!"

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

RIP to a cluster of cells that couldn't actually sustain life?

If you are pro-life then your also actually against the morning after pill too, or is that somehow seen as ok?

At what point to you believe conception is life?

You say a cluster of cells at the end of the day from the day one cell is there it’s alive. What I believe is if you become pregnant your carrying life, if you’ve taken measures beforehand then yay go you, once your carrying that life your responsible and I don’t believe in killing baby’s be it as you say “ a cluster of cells” or not

We’re all cluster of cells btw we’ve just had the chance to grow. "

you are completely dismissing the point that there is a fundamental difference between a foetus and 'baby's'...it's very very basic biology.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

RIP to a cluster of cells that couldn't actually sustain life?

If you are pro-life then your also actually against the morning after pill too, or is that somehow seen as ok?

At what point to you believe conception is life?

You say a cluster of cells at the end of the day from the day one cell is there it’s alive. What I believe is if you become pregnant your carrying life, if you’ve taken measures beforehand then yay go you, once your carrying that life your responsible and I don’t believe in killing baby’s be it as you say “ a cluster of cells” or not

We’re all cluster of cells btw we’ve just had the chance to grow. "

I won't go into details but trust me that cluster of cells is in no way sentient or recognisable as a human being until a certain point in the pregnancy.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life "

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think abortion shouldn't be illegal but I do believe it's almost too accessible in the uk and some people use it as a form of contraception. I know of people professionally who have had in excess of 3 abortions. It really infuriates me.

Different types of contraceptives are freely available, our abortion rates shouldn't be so high

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By *uzzy NavelWoman
over a year ago

so near and yet so far....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life "

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally."

I think in a long term relationship both partners should have input though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

I think in a long term relationship both partners should have input though."

of course they should, but i think the buck still stops with whoever is actually responsible for carrying the pregnancy through.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally."

Hopping up n down? It’s an opinion and I’m allowed to voice it no? My opinion on abortion is that it’s murdering life before it’s had a chance to grow.

For me it’s not about what women can and can’t do with there bodies it’s nothing to do with that I’m just concerned about innocent life being ripped away

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?"

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

Hopping up n down? It’s an opinion and I’m allowed to voice it no? My opinion on abortion is that it’s murdering life before it’s had a chance to grow.

For me it’s not about what women can and can’t do with there bodies it’s nothing to do with that I’m just concerned about innocent life being ripped away "

And you are still coming from a position of failing to grasp the difference between a baby and a foetus. Using deliberately emotive language like 'murder' is just a bit silly when it's not based on facts. And, whatever your own view on abortion is, it is very very much about what rights a woman has over her own body.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"I get that it’s the woman’s body but it’s quite easy not to get pregnant."

What are you worried about, then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

Hopping up n down? It’s an opinion and I’m allowed to voice it no? My opinion on abortion is that it’s murdering life before it’s had a chance to grow.

For me it’s not about what women can and can’t do with there bodies it’s nothing to do with that I’m just concerned about innocent life being ripped away

And you are still coming from a position of failing to grasp the difference between a baby and a foetus. Using deliberately emotive language like 'murder' is just a bit silly when it's not based on facts. And, whatever your own view on abortion is, it is very very much about what rights a woman has over her own body."

Your failing to understand me, your saying a foetus is just cells. I’m saying it’s still LIFE. Can we agree on that?

For me personally the only rights that should be considered is that of the LIFE, be it “just cells” or a more grown baby.

Abortion should be available to those whose life is at risk by being preggo, or was forced. What’s so wrong about that

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

BlackVersatility, I’m assuming you never drive your car. Or eat. Or wash or clean your teeth. All of these things destroy LIFE.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Speaking from a point of view of someone who has four kids.

If wifey got pregnant we would have the baby no problems (impossible though as I’ve had the snip)

However to throw a different spanner in the works what if a woman was r@@@ed and got pregnant, do all the god botherers think that’s ok for the woman to have to go through with 9 months of pregnancy, then give birth to a child that was forced upon her?

Come on get real.

It’s like anything appropriate circumstance and not just because you can’t be arsed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"BlackVersatility, I’m assuming you never drive your car. Or eat. Or wash or clean your teeth. All of these things destroy LIFE."

Not the life of a baby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

Hopping up n down? It’s an opinion and I’m allowed to voice it no? My opinion on abortion is that it’s murdering life before it’s had a chance to grow.

For me it’s not about what women can and can’t do with there bodies it’s nothing to do with that I’m just concerned about innocent life being ripped away

And you are still coming from a position of failing to grasp the difference between a baby and a foetus. Using deliberately emotive language like 'murder' is just a bit silly when it's not based on facts. And, whatever your own view on abortion is, it is very very much about what rights a woman has over her own body.

Your failing to understand me, your saying a foetus is just cells. I’m saying it’s still LIFE. Can we agree on that?

For me personally the only rights that should be considered is that of the LIFE, be it “just cells” or a more grown baby.

Abortion should be available to those whose life is at risk by being preggo, or was forced. What’s so wrong about that"

No, it's not 'still life' at that stage. That is fact, not an opinion or view, just clear,plain, biological fact.The phrase you used 'be it “just cells” or a more grown baby' is flawed. A group of cells is not a 'less grown' baby.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?"

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion "

My apologies, I missed that bit.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

Hopping up n down? It’s an opinion and I’m allowed to voice it no? My opinion on abortion is that it’s murdering life before it’s had a chance to grow.

For me it’s not about what women can and can’t do with there bodies it’s nothing to do with that I’m just concerned about innocent life being ripped away

And you are still coming from a position of failing to grasp the difference between a baby and a foetus. Using deliberately emotive language like 'murder' is just a bit silly when it's not based on facts. And, whatever your own view on abortion is, it is very very much about what rights a woman has over her own body.

Your failing to understand me, your saying a foetus is just cells. I’m saying it’s still LIFE. Can we agree on that?

For me personally the only rights that should be considered is that of the LIFE, be it “just cells” or a more grown baby.

Abortion should be available to those whose life is at risk by being preggo, or was forced. What’s so wrong about that

No, it's not 'still life' at that stage. That is fact, not an opinion or view, just clear,plain, biological fact.The phrase you used 'be it “just cells” or a more grown baby' is flawed. A group of cells is not a 'less grown' baby.

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Can you site your source as you’ve said it’s not life I say it is. I can site mine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion

My apologies, I missed that bit."

No problem my friend

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion "

And you don't believe a woman should have a choice if those particular circumstances don't apply then? They would be forced to carry through a pregnancy they don't want?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

And thankfully, you won't ever be have to be responsible for deciding who is or isn't entitled to what they want with their own bodies. Always seems to be men who start hopping up and down about this issue..in the comfortable knowledge that it'll never be something they have to deal with personally.

Hopping up n down? It’s an opinion and I’m allowed to voice it no? My opinion on abortion is that it’s murdering life before it’s had a chance to grow.

For me it’s not about what women can and can’t do with there bodies it’s nothing to do with that I’m just concerned about innocent life being ripped away

And you are still coming from a position of failing to grasp the difference between a baby and a foetus. Using deliberately emotive language like 'murder' is just a bit silly when it's not based on facts. And, whatever your own view on abortion is, it is very very much about what rights a woman has over her own body.

Your failing to understand me, your saying a foetus is just cells. I’m saying it’s still LIFE. Can we agree on that?

For me personally the only rights that should be considered is that of the LIFE, be it “just cells” or a more grown baby.

Abortion should be available to those whose life is at risk by being preggo, or was forced. What’s so wrong about that

No, it's not 'still life' at that stage. That is fact, not an opinion or view, just clear,plain, biological fact.The phrase you used 'be it “just cells” or a more grown baby' is flawed. A group of cells is not a 'less grown' baby.

Can you site your source as you’ve said it’s not life I say it is. I can site mine "

cite a source??? seriously?? a childs biology text will say the exact same. it's not some strange new theory!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready” "

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too.

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over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion

And you don't believe a woman should have a choice if those particular circumstances don't apply then? They would be forced to carry through a pregnancy they don't want?"

Controversial but yeah, your asking me who should suffer the baby or the woman, what would your answer be. I can see it already “ fuck it it’s just a bunch of cells” smh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

GOOD CHAT ALL I HOPE EVERYONE GOT SOME INSIGHT,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml

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over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion

And you don't believe a woman should have a choice if those particular circumstances don't apply then? They would be forced to carry through a pregnancy they don't want?

Controversial but yeah, your asking me who should suffer the baby or the woman, what would your answer be. I can see it already “ fuck it it’s just a bunch of cells” smh "

at no point have i said 'fuck it', nor has any woman considering an abortion.

women don't do it for an afternoon off work! but, yes, a foetus is a bunch of cells, not a viable human being..so, if you are unable to grasp that, then i'm afraid, to me, your objections are founded on complete misinformation.

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over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion

And you don't believe a woman should have a choice if those particular circumstances don't apply then? They would be forced to carry through a pregnancy they don't want?

Controversial but yeah, your asking me who should suffer the baby or the woman, what would your answer be. I can see it already “ fuck it it’s just a bunch of cells” smh

at no point have i said 'fuck it', nor has any woman considering an abortion.

women don't do it for an afternoon off work! but, yes, a foetus is a bunch of cells, not a viable human being..so, if you are unable to grasp that, then i'm afraid, to me, your objections are founded on complete misinformation."

I respect your opinion but not your morals

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over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has."

Holy crap on a stick

Really???

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over a year ago


"What about the circumstances I mentioned above?

IF YOU READ BACK what I’ve been saying the whole time yes under the circumstances of someone whose been forced or danger to the life of the carrier, those two should be the only reasons for abortion

And you don't believe a woman should have a choice if those particular circumstances don't apply then? They would be forced to carry through a pregnancy they don't want?

Controversial but yeah, your asking me who should suffer the baby or the woman, what would your answer be. I can see it already “ fuck it it’s just a bunch of cells” smh

at no point have i said 'fuck it', nor has any woman considering an abortion.

women don't do it for an afternoon off work! but, yes, a foetus is a bunch of cells, not a viable human being..so, if you are unable to grasp that, then i'm afraid, to me, your objections are founded on complete misinformation.

I respect your opinion but not your morals "

I was not arguing the morals of it, though i firmly believe a woman has a right to chose what happens to her own body, I was arguing your stance that conception marks the beginning of life. That is a matter of biological fact, nothing to do with morality. If you chose not to believe that, it's your choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't they just vote in favour?"

No, just the South.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

Knowing my mum had an abortion due to major complications to her should she give birth.

I think it should be down to the individual in some cases.

I also know a girl that had a loyalty card at the abortion centre before she was 18, she used to sleep around and if she got pregnant she got rid of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Even though my brothers ex wife aborted his baby without even considering what he wanted, I still agree with abortion. There are already far too many children in this world suffering because they have been born to people that can never be called parents or are lost in what is often an abusive care system or being pushed from pillar to post either within a family or the fostering system that is not prepared to deal with the issues these kids have because they were born to people that didn't want them! So when you go on about aborted babies suffering....the fairy story of "it will all be ok" is more often than not a load of bollocks, unfortunately!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always known that if I found myself unexpectedly pregnant then an abortion isn't an option for me, but I'd consider it in certain circumstances as has been suggested on this thread.

But what right does anyone have to force somebody to have a child? It's very easy to say allow them to see out the pregnancy and put the baby up for adoption without considering the psychological impact of doing so to both the mother and the baby, but this should not be underestimated.

I've known people have serial abortions for convenience and others have them because they didn't have the mental capacity to bring a child up, and the pregnancy alone would have been challenging for them. Whilst one reason may seem more acceptable than the other, I don't pretend to know the intricacies of someone's life to make judgement on the decisions they've made.

Ginger

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just in response to something mentioned above. How can one reconcile an unborn baby having a lesser right to life based on the circumstances around its conception? It's either yes or no to legal abortion as far as we are concerned and we are in favour of a woman's right to choose.

As David Attenborough said - where women have access to medical care and reproductive rights, populations are stable. And the lives of women in these areas are much better.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan
over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"BlackVersatility, I’m assuming you never drive your car. Or eat. Or wash or clean your teeth. All of these things destroy LIFE.

Not the life of a baby"

Again, newly fertilised eggs and foetuses are not babies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Didn't they just vote in favour?

No, just the South."

The lunatics still run the asylum up here....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has."

*rolls eyes* as someone who was in the care system for 5 years and whose siblings are still in the care system. I hate when people say to give up children for adoption.

Many children never get adopted and get left in children's homes, the care system is utterly atrocious and not fit for purpose. It Does happen that sometimes kids get adopted by a good family and lead a happy life. But the majority don't.

Adoption isn't as simple as you would like to think and the care system is an absolute joke. Personally having experienced it myself, if I got pregnant and didn't want the child, I would rather have an abortion than put them through the hell that is the care system.

Rant over.

~Mia

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"No one likes abortion. No one.

Name ONE woman who said, wow, I fancy having an abortion, I think I'll go out tonight to get pregnant so I can experience it.

That said, pregnancies happen. While men may or many not have strong feelings on how a pregnancy should progress, the woman is the one who has the right to decide what happens within her own body."

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

*rolls eyes* as someone who was in the care system for 5 years and whose siblings are still in the care system. I hate when people say to give up children for adoption.

Many children never get adopted and get left in children's homes, the care system is utterly atrocious and not fit for purpose. It Does happen that sometimes kids get adopted by a good family and lead a happy life. But the majority don't.

Adoption isn't as simple as you would like to think and the care system is an absolute joke. Personally having experienced it myself, if I got pregnant and didn't want the child, I would rather have an abortion than put them through the hell that is the care system.

Rant over.

~Mia"

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too."

I think the partner can hsve his opinion but the final decision has to be the woman's. It's her body.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think abortion shouldn't be illegal but I do believe it's almost too accessible in the uk and some people use it as a form of contraception. I know of people professionally who have had in excess of 3 abortions. It really infuriates me.

Different types of contraceptives are freely available, our abortion rates shouldn't be so high"

Is serial abortion allowed? It shouldn't be.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

A bundle of cells is not a baby, it's just potential for life. Saying aborting that is murder would be the same as me saying you murder millions of babies every time you have a wank

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too.

I think the partner can hsve his opinion but the final decision has to be the woman's. It's her body. "

Yes, I think you're probably right. I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their body.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too.

I think the partner can hsve his opinion but the final decision has to be the woman's. It's her body.

Yes, I think you're probably right. I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their body. "

Not do I. But it's certainly not the mans decision to make, ever.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too.

I think the partner can hsve his opinion but the final decision has to be the woman's. It's her body.

Yes, I think you're probably right. I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their body. "

I'm assuming that was meant to say 'wouldnt think it ok' or you know some real arseholes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think a woman should have the right to choose and I trust most women won't use abortion as a form of contraception. However the last few days since the referendum I gotta say all this celebrating and tears and hugging and jumping around doesn't sit well with me. It feels quite inappropriate tbh

That's just my opinion. I'm not saying abortion isn't needed at certain times like illness etc I just don't really like the reaction to the voting

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too.

I think the partner can hsve his opinion but the final decision has to be the woman's. It's her body.

Yes, I think you're probably right. I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their body.

I'm assuming that was meant to say 'wouldnt think it ok' or you know some real arseholes "

I meant to say I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their bodies as in the men's bodies. It wasn't clear. Most men I know wouldn't allow a woman to decide if they (the men) had their ear pierced for instance let alone something as life changing as having a baby.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"R.i.p to all the murdered littluns wasnt there fault someone made a bad choice, if you don’t want the baby adoption is a option no need to kill it, bad Ireland has taken the route it has.

you do know the difference between a foetus and a baby yes?...And bear in mind for plenty of women, there may not have been any 'choice'!

A fetus is still alive! The only time there should be an abortion option is if the woman was forced to have sex, I understand that. Other than that if you have sex and get pregnant hey presto that’s what happens. I’m more life

What's your view on babies that have died in the womb or are so damaged that they will only live minutes?

At least they were given a fighting chance, what’s your opinion on the healthy fetus and babies who were killed Who couldve grown upto cure diseases for example because “someone wasn’t ready”

Speaking as a woman who conceived at 46 due to contraception failure I am in favour of abortion in the early stages of pregnancy. I do think a present and committed partner should have a say in what happens too.

I think the partner can hsve his opinion but the final decision has to be the woman's. It's her body.

Yes, I think you're probably right. I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their body.

I'm assuming that was meant to say 'wouldnt think it ok' or you know some real arseholes

I meant to say I don't know any men who would think it OK for a woman to make a decision about their bodies as in the men's bodies. It wasn't clear. Most men I know wouldn't allow a woman to decide if they (the men) had their ear pierced for instance let alone something as life changing as having a baby. "

Ah okay, it read as you don't know any men who would think it's okay for women to do things with their own bodies lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can i just state ita a ladys choice to have an abortion an should not be made to feel guilty by her choice everyone makes misstakes an if an abortion happens it is not an easy situation to be in at all

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over a year ago


"Can i just state ita a ladys choice to have an abortion an should not be made to feel guilty by her choice everyone makes misstakes an if an abortion happens it is not an easy situation to be in at all "

You shouldn’t judge a person, just offer support to the person who’s had to go through the situation.

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