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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Apparently a white female fan has been booed off stage after being invited up to sing by a black artist. The song has the N word in it, and when the fan sung the song, she say the N word.

If a song has the N word in it, should white people say it when they sing the song?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think Kendrick picked on that women to make a show of her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t see why not, the word itself has lost a lot of meaning since the overuse and friendly use in black culture. The song uses the word and it available for all of humanity to hear and from that, there shouldn’t be any judgement or separation towards who can and can’t say it. The artist invited the woman on stage and expected her to sing the song but then expects her to not say the ‘N’ word. Just seems very hypocritical and was potentially done as a publicity stunt to highlight the issues of racism within music.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ever seen the start of the film Office Space, where the guy is singing along to the rap music in his car until he pulls up next to a black guy at some traffic lights and turns it waaaaaaaay down? Yea, that's me down to a T, ha!

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

Words are not for the exclusive use of a particular race or culture. Those who take offence at such things where no offence is intended are just looking for an excuse to be offended.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple
over a year ago

South Wales

N word?

Norwich?

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By *hunderstruckMan
over a year ago

Northampton

Oliver’s army calls them white “ N” words

Although it’s bleeped out on the radio

Eminem used it all the time too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a black man writes a song with the word nigger in it, people other than black people will sing it.

If a word is considered offensive by the majority of the world then nobody should use it.

*I also write cunt, and not the C word.

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By *bonynivoryCouple
over a year ago

market harborough


"Words are not for the exclusive use of a particular race or culture. Those who take offence at such things where no offence is intended are just looking for an excuse to be offended."

So very true.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

It's one of those things where everyone says it or nobody says it. But they can't have a whole bunch of awesome songs and then tell just the white people that they have to skip every twentieth word! Especially since the biggest market for hip hop is actually white men. Happy to sell the song but not to hear them sing it

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By *eKoopleCouple
over a year ago

Germany / Manchester

The use of the word has become so diluted, people thinks it’s nothing but a term of endearment and I categorically believe, the word should remain in its original form and that is the dehumanisation of black people. Looking at the words history may help you think.

In the early 90’s Ice Cube released ‘Death Certificate’ which was plagued complaints and the reason being, it had many references of the word ‘Cracker’ and ‘Honky’ and what was seen to be disrespectful to Whites.

Today, an album like that would not be released from a mainstream label and yet the ‘N’ is used all the time. It’s interesting when you look at mainstream Rap, White investors are at the financial foundation of the main labels and they don’t want to hear, words that may disrespect the very people they want to sell albums too.

It’s up to people if they want to use the word but my question is why do so many people ask for permission? and why the want to use the word in the first place?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It was excused in US by a black rapper saying that they were singing "nigga" not "nigger". The former has apparently taken on its own meaning amongst American youth and is used in loads of different context. So if she was singing along to his "nigga" lyrics he's just pulled her up to show her up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

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By *eal_curves_is_backWoman
over a year ago

London


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers."

Replace the racial word for one attributed to any other ethnicity. Still sounds acceptable?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers."

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers."

Two irish guys call each other a Mick , they both will laugh.....

A non irish person calls both of these irish men Micks and they both will kick his ass...

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I really feel for that girl. I hope karma does something good for her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really feel for that girl. I hope karma does something good for her

"

I felt heart sorry for her. It was a set up if ever I've saw one. The artist was a prick for doing that to her x

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire


"I really feel for that girl. I hope karma does something good for her

I felt heart sorry for her. It was a set up if ever I've saw one. The artist was a prick for doing that to her x"

I hope people shout ‘nigga’ at him everywhere he goes for years to come

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

Two irish guys call each other a Mick , they both will laugh.....

A non irish person calls both of these irish men Micks and they both will kick his ass..."

Out of interest, what if two non irish guys call each other mick?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word. "

I think there is a difference between using it in speech, and singing a song lyric written by someone else.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Would ‘Wigga’ have been acceptable

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By *eal_curves_is_backWoman
over a year ago

London


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word. "

Correct.

Live with it.

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word.

Correct.

Live with it."

So you think it's wrong to sing the song lyric?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

His song his lyrics, I've not seen the video and don't want to I know it'll wind me up, but it sounds to me like it was a set up, now some poor girl has been made a villan for singing a song where that word is in the lyrics.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When someone makes a faux pas, I always think it’s good to reflect and consider how could that situation be dealt with better. People who feel someone made a mistake or a judgement error could perhaps advise how they might have dealt with the situation. So, the question is if a white person is invited by a black persons to sing a song, with a racist word which non-blacks know they shouldn’t say, what is the correct thing to do?

a) sing the lyrics correctly

b) miss the word out

c) any other option

What would the people booing her off stage have advised her to do?

Mrs

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word. "

Yeah, it's so weird, why would a word that was historically used by white people to dehumanise and oppress black people be a problem for white people to say.

As another poster said, context. And history. These things matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If a black person can use the word, a white person can use it too.

No word is offensive on its own - it is the context in which it is used that causes offence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything. "

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word.

Yeah, it's so weird, why would a word that was historically used by white people to dehumanise and oppress black people be a problem for white people to say.

As another poster said, context. And history. These things matter. "

What you said is true. But i would argue the word has been "reclaimed "through the success of hip hop music. Bit like faggot.

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By *hubaysiWoman
over a year ago

Leeds


"N word?

Norwich?"

Narnia

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs "

I was just arguing the general point which you get infuriatingly often which goes. "how can a white person saying." nigger" be racist when its a term black people call each other". That argument is monumentally stupid.

If you are singing a song with the word in it, I would say context is still important. If you are singing a racist song including the word, you're probably a racist. If you are singing. "Oliver's Army" which uses the words "white nigger" ironically in the service of anti imperialism, I would say not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes you can. The whole world isn’t black so if you put it in your lyrics, your fans are multi cultural and they want to sing along so they will say it

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By *weberMan
over a year ago

Near Alvechurch


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

Two irish guys call each other a Mick , they both will laugh.....

A non irish person calls both of these irish men Micks and they both will kick his ass...

Out of interest, what if two non irish guys call each other mick? "

They’re not Micks so it could viewed as offensive. Context is important.

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By *arkside2698Man
over a year ago

luton

If an artist wants to be a success they need to make catchy songs that people want to sing along to. If they didn't want them to sing the songs as they wrote them, due to their own choice of words, then they shouldn't have used those words in the first place. You can't have it both ways.

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word.

Yeah, it's so weird, why would a word that was historically used by white people to dehumanise and oppress black people be a problem for white people to say.

As another poster said, context. And history. These things matter. "

So in the context of singing a song, is that acceptable?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word.

Yeah, it's so weird, why would a word that was historically used by white people to dehumanise and oppress black people be a problem for white people to say.

As another poster said, context. And history. These things matter.

What you said is true. But i would argue the word has been "reclaimed "through the success of hip hop music. Bit like faggot. "

Seems like there's still a way to go, to me. The N word is still used as a deliberate racial attack by plenty of people.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"The only thing racist about the "N" word is that white people aren't allowed to use it due to the colour of our skin, black people use it all the time and often as a term of endearment but nobody thinks twice about it, if a white person uses it then suddenly its an offence word.

Yeah, it's so weird, why would a word that was historically used by white people to dehumanise and oppress black people be a problem for white people to say.

As another poster said, context. And history. These things matter.

So in the context of singing a song, is that acceptable? "

Hard to say. Depends on the way it's used in the song, who the audience is, how they will react.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

Two irish guys call each other a Mick , they both will laugh.....

A non irish person calls both of these irish men Micks and they both will kick his ass...

Out of interest, what if two non irish guys call each other mick?

They’re not Micks so it could viewed as offensive. Context is important. "

Ok, i just find it absolutely hillarious to call my fellow white friend a nigga. Because he's the least gangsta person you can imagine. This is a recognise genre of humour. The Armstrong and Miller pilot scences are based on the same premise. They just don't use that naughty word.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs

I was just arguing the general point which you get infuriatingly often which goes. "how can a white person saying." nigger" be racist when its a term black people call each other". That argument is monumentally stupid.

If you are singing a song with the word in it, I would say context is still important. If you are singing a racist song including the word, you're probably a racist. If you are singing. "Oliver's Army" which uses the words "white nigger" ironically in the service of anti imperialism, I would say not. "

So what I want to know is, what would have been the best way for the white person to have dealt with the situation? I pride myself in usually getting these things right, but I have to admit, I would have been totally stumped in this situation.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs

I was just arguing the general point which you get infuriatingly often which goes. "how can a white person saying." nigger" be racist when its a term black people call each other". That argument is monumentally stupid.

If you are singing a song with the word in it, I would say context is still important. If you are singing a racist song including the word, you're probably a racist. If you are singing. "Oliver's Army" which uses the words "white nigger" ironically in the service of anti imperialism, I would say not.

So what I want to know is, what would have been the best way for the white person to have dealt with the situation? I pride myself in usually getting these things right, but I have to admit, I would have been totally stumped in this situation. "

I wouldn't have accepted his invite to come on stage and he shouldn't have invited her, if the cultural context of this song is that only black people should sing it.

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By *andare63Man
over a year ago

oldham

He used the woman to test boundaries , create a response and get attention . I have numerous black and Asian friends . They are friends I have known for years . Our conversations are candid and from the outsider looking in , probably not acceptable . I have no issue with someone using the word Honky towards me if it’s in the right context . Surely there’s a time and a place .

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs

I was just arguing the general point which you get infuriatingly often which goes. "how can a white person saying." nigger" be racist when its a term black people call each other". That argument is monumentally stupid.

If you are singing a song with the word in it, I would say context is still important. If you are singing a racist song including the word, you're probably a racist. If you are singing. "Oliver's Army" which uses the words "white nigger" ironically in the service of anti imperialism, I would say not.

So what I want to know is, what would have been the best way for the white person to have dealt with the situation? I pride myself in usually getting these things right, but I have to admit, I would have been totally stumped in this situation.

I wouldn't have accepted his invite to come on stage and he shouldn't have invited her, if the cultural context of this song is that only black people should sing it. "

Yes if I had had the foresight to realise I would have to be singing a racist word I probably would have done the same as you. But I would have had to think quick. I don’t know the song, so I don’t know if it were obvious that it was a song that only black people should sing. The song writer clearly considered it reasonable for a white personal to sing his songs, otherwise he wouldn’t have invited her. Or if he didn’t was playing a very nasty game.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs

I was just arguing the general point which you get infuriatingly often which goes. "how can a white person saying." nigger" be racist when its a term black people call each other". That argument is monumentally stupid.

If you are singing a song with the word in it, I would say context is still important. If you are singing a racist song including the word, you're probably a racist. If you are singing. "Oliver's Army" which uses the words "white nigger" ironically in the service of anti imperialism, I would say not.

So what I want to know is, what would have been the best way for the white person to have dealt with the situation? I pride myself in usually getting these things right, but I have to admit, I would have been totally stumped in this situation.

I wouldn't have accepted his invite to come on stage and he shouldn't have invited her, if the cultural context of this song is that only black people should sing it.

Yes if I had had the foresight to realise I would have to be singing a racist word I probably would have done the same as you. But I would have had to think quick. I don’t know the song, so I don’t know if it were obvious that it was a song that only black people should sing. The song writer clearly considered it reasonable for a white personal to sing his songs, otherwise he wouldn’t have invited her. Or if he didn’t was playing a very nasty game."

If you know the words to a song you're probably a big enough fan to know the connotations.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it’s in the song and widely accepted what’s the drama?

I’m always confused how people of all colours think they can use racist terms towards each other and not take offence, yet when somebody of a different race uses the word they are offended?

Can some one explain the logic and reasoning just for my benefit? Cheers.

If I say to my partner. "wow your tits really look good in that dress", all is fine. If I am introduced to your mum and say exactly the same thing, great offence will be taken.

Context is everything.

But let’s say your partner was a professional singer and invites a random man in the audience to sing a duet with her and he has sing to her ‘wow your tits really look good in that dress’, that would presumably be ok because he’s ok singing what the lyrics dictate.

Mrs

I was just arguing the general point which you get infuriatingly often which goes. "how can a white person saying." nigger" be racist when its a term black people call each other". That argument is monumentally stupid.

If you are singing a song with the word in it, I would say context is still important. If you are singing a racist song including the word, you're probably a racist. If you are singing. "Oliver's Army" which uses the words "white nigger" ironically in the service of anti imperialism, I would say not.

So what I want to know is, what would have been the best way for the white person to have dealt with the situation? I pride myself in usually getting these things right, but I have to admit, I would have been totally stumped in this situation.

I wouldn't have accepted his invite to come on stage and he shouldn't have invited her, if the cultural context of this song is that only black people should sing it.

Yes if I had had the foresight to realise I would have to be singing a racist word I probably would have done the same as you. But I would have had to think quick. I don’t know the song, so I don’t know if it were obvious that it was a song that only black people should sing. The song writer clearly considered it reasonable for a white personal to sing his songs, otherwise he wouldn’t have invited her. Or if he didn’t was playing a very nasty game.

If you know the words to a song you're probably a big enough fan to know the connotations. "

Thats true. Admittedly I don’t know the story, so I don’t know if she was singing words from a screen, karaoke style, or if she knew the song well and was singing from her head. Maybe she foolishly respected the judgement of the man who invited her to sing his song.

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By *itvclaireTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham


"Oliver’s army calls them white “ N” words

Although it’s bleeped out on the radio

Eminem used it all the time too "

Do believe that’s a reference to the Irish. Know one or two radio stations that don’t edit it out.

XX

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Oliver’s army calls them white “ N” words

Although it’s bleeped out on the radio

Eminem used it all the time too

Do believe that’s a reference to the Irish. Know one or two radio stations that don’t edit it out.

XX"

The song is about the British sending off young men to kill overseas generally and in Ireland in particular. . The lines in question go..

All it takes one itchy trigger

One more widow, one less white nigger

Apparently "White niggers" was a phrase used by British soldiers to refer to the Northern Irish Catholic population in the seventies. Hence it was an insult and a slur, but in the song it's used ironically to emphasize the dehumanisation going on.

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