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I can kind of guess full swap is a whole now level of pleasure but think an evening of naughty play then ravishing your partner once totaly high off pheromones is horny as hell? Maybe a soft swing only sister site of FAB could be created   | |||
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"We are also a full swap couple who have played only soft swap with people too....We did have it on our profile that we were happy to just soft swap but found many couples contacting us only wanted the females to play together after chatting for a while ....some it was for the males to watch and get off on which i dont like being put on shos so to speak lol and sometimes it seemed like thier was underlying issues of not being comfortable with seeing the other partner with someone else . We are still happy to soft swap but just don't advertise it as such but we do contact just soft swap couples as we enjoy the play just as much if not more than the full sex. Xx Mrs xx " Show * ....not shos lol | |||
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"By all means please do, we're always open to advice" I really like your photos; really sexy and give a good insight into both of you. I always read the text box below the details, that's where I see a lot about what you don't want and not really a lot about you both as a couple. For example what aspects of soft swap do you like? What do you both like or what things would you want if you met another couple/female. If we were to meet you, what would it be like. I love the text boxes as it shows people's personalities. Xx | |||
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"I'm confused (not difficult) If you meet a single bi fem how does that work? Just kissing and some foreplay ? Who plays with who? I am probably just being obtuse. It's been a long day. "Our understanding of soft play is that it could be pretty much anything except full sex, which is to say (sorry for the cold detail) anything but a penis in a vagina (or anus, presumably). If this is the general view then two bi women playing will do whatever they might usually do, but if a guy gets involved then oral is the limit. Others may think differently, of course. | |||
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"I'm confused (not difficult) If you meet a single bi fem how does that work? Just kissing and some foreplay ? Who plays with who? I am probably just being obtuse. It's been a long day. "Every one gives everyone oral. Women may get a finger inside them. | |||
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"Just a simple query, we're looked at alot but seem to be relegated to the "pass" pile, is it due to us wanting only soft swap (as we're newbies and wanting to take things slow) or are we not as cute as we think!! Lol
I can kind of guess full swap is a whole now level of pleasure but think an evening of naughty play then ravishing your partner once totaly high off pheromones is horny as hell? Maybe a soft swing only sister site of FAB could be created "Not off putting. As long as I get a good hard shag once the foreplay is over 
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Nice to know theres support in this "community" xx | |||
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"Just a simple query, we're looked at alot but seem to be relegated to the "pass" pile, is it due to us wanting only soft swap (as we're newbies and wanting to take things slow) or are we not as cute as we think!! Lol
I can kind of guess full swap is a whole now level of pleasure but think an evening of naughty play then ravishing your partner once totaly high off pheromones is horny as hell? Maybe a soft swing only sister site of FAB could be created "There are plenty of soft swap couples on here..... we tend to go with the flow | |||
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"We are full when we are looking. We have done soft but it feels like there is something missing. A bit like takin up climbing but only walking to climbs and then going home and saying you like the walk " We mix it up as its clubs - had awesome 6some recently - 1 of the couples was soft swap - all left the playroom fulfilled & indulged | |||
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"Soft swing to us is everything but penetrative sex with others, we enjoy both soft swing and full swap meets as long as everyone’s involved, those that turn there noses up at a gorgeous couple like yourselves because you don’t full swap are not worth worrying about, it’s possibly because they lack and imagination when playing anyway, We started out as a soft swing couple and got turned down by quiet a few people, however they came running back when we started to full swap, mmmm did they then get to meet us? Of course not! " Why not? They were looking for something you didn't provide at first, so there was no point in them meeting you. | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. " Yeah it can be boring when you have to hold back. Ruins the fun Amazing pics btw.nice to see some proper well taken pics on here | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. " There are many reasons but jealousy or selfishness have never come into it. Bunny knows she could go out tonight with or without me and have fun with any number of men and women and do what ever her heart desires. Soft swap is just a preference. Similar to me not wanting anal fisting every time I go out. No boundaries is great if that is for you, but the second someone suggests sploshing, Golden showers, Lithophilia or Formicophilia then I'm going to say not for me thanks.  | |||
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"If 'soft swap' was classified as 'mutual masturbation', would that make it any more appealing? " Hahahaha, you made my day | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. There are many reasons but jealousy or selfishness have never come into it. Bunny knows she could go out tonight with or without me and have fun with any number of men and women and do what ever her heart desires. Soft swap is just a preference. Similar to me not wanting anal fisting every time I go out. No boundaries is great if that is for you, but the second someone suggests sploshing, Golden showers, Lithophilia or Formicophilia then I'm going to say not for me thanks. "Before I go ahead, I have to say thay the only reason I sound judgemental is beacouse you asked the question. So you still have not answered my genuine question: why do you prefer the soft swap? You said the she can go out and have fun. That is fine. Whoever what about you? Is she happy for you to go out? You say it is not jealousy, but knowing that someone is out having fun, and actually seeing it next to you are 2 different things. Been with couples where both say they are full, sounds very promising but when we go to play, eiter the girl or the guy gets uncomfortable seeing his girl/boy moaning from pleasure, and full on with different partner. We had a situation, where the girl stormed out of the room seeing her boy fucking M. She flipped out completely, ran out nakked in the hotel hollway. They were good friends of ours, and I know for a fact that it took them a year to recover theirs relationship, after the "accident". Felt really sorry for them, as they were telling us that both are not Jealous peopke and really open-minded. Turns out they were not. So going back to my genuine question: why do you prefer soft swap? Not judging, just curious. | |||
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"If 'soft swap' was classified as 'mutual masturbation', would that make it any more appealing? Hahahaha, you made my day "  | |||
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"If 'soft swap' was classified as 'mutual masturbation', would that make it any more appealing? " no...because it isn't... | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. There are many reasons but jealousy or selfishness have never come into it. Bunny knows she could go out tonight with or without me and have fun with any number of men and women and do what ever her heart desires. Soft swap is just a preference. Similar to me not wanting anal fisting every time I go out. No boundaries is great if that is for you, but the second someone suggests sploshing, Golden showers, Lithophilia or Formicophilia then I'm going to say not for me thanks.
Before I go ahead, I have to say thay the only reason I sound judgemental is beacouse you asked the question.
So you still have not answered my genuine question: why do you prefer the soft swap?
You said the she can go out and have fun. That is fine. Whoever what about you? Is she happy for you to go out?
You say it is not jealousy, but knowing that someone is out having fun, and actually seeing it next to you are 2 different things. Been with couples where both say they are full, sounds very promising but when we go to play, eiter the girl or the guy gets uncomfortable seeing his girl/boy moaning from pleasure, and full on with different partner. We had a situation, where the girl stormed out of the room seeing her boy fucking M. She flipped out completely, ran out nakked in the hotel hollway. They were good friends of ours, and I know for a fact that it took them a year to recover theirs relationship, after the "accident". Felt really sorry for them, as they were telling us that both are not Jealous peopke and really open-minded. Turns out they were not.
So going back to my genuine question: why do you prefer soft swap? Not judging, just curious."sometimes we end up having been only soft because penetration for me isn't the be all and end all of a sexual encounter, I either don't fancy it at the time, or what I'm doing with other people is pleasurable enough that I don't even think about it...we can get to the end of an evening or even the next morning and think...blimey, didn't fuck last night...never had any complaints and plenty of repeat meets so nobody appears to feel short changed | |||
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"If 'soft swap' was classified as 'mutual masturbation', would that make it any more appealing? no...because it isn't..." So it isn't about just licking and rubbing things then? | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. There are many reasons but jealousy or selfishness have never come into it. Bunny knows she could go out tonight with or without me and have fun with any number of men and women and do what ever her heart desires. Soft swap is just a preference. Similar to me not wanting anal fisting every time I go out. No boundaries is great if that is for you, but the second someone suggests sploshing, Golden showers, Lithophilia or Formicophilia then I'm going to say not for me thanks.
Before I go ahead, I have to say thay the only reason I sound judgemental is beacouse you asked the question.
So you still have not answered my genuine question: why do you prefer the soft swap?
You said the she can go out and have fun. That is fine. Whoever what about you? Is she happy for you to go out?
You say it is not jealousy, but knowing that someone is out having fun, and actually seeing it next to you are 2 different things. Been with couples where both say they are full, sounds very promising but when we go to play, eiter the girl or the guy gets uncomfortable seeing his girl/boy moaning from pleasure, and full on with different partner. We had a situation, where the girl stormed out of the room seeing her boy fucking M. She flipped out completely, ran out nakked in the hotel hollway. They were good friends of ours, and I know for a fact that it took them a year to recover theirs relationship, after the "accident". Felt really sorry for them, as they were telling us that both are not Jealous peopke and really open-minded. Turns out they were not.
So going back to my genuine question: why do you prefer soft swap? Not judging, just curious.
sometimes we end up having been only soft because penetration for me isn't the be all and end all of a sexual encounter, I either don't fancy it at the time, or what I'm doing with other people is pleasurable enough that I don't even think about it...we can get to the end of an evening or even the next morning and think...blimey, didn't fuck last night...never had any complaints and plenty of repeat meets so nobody appears to feel short changed "I totally understand you. We have had few occasions where it just happened to be a soft, and not a major issue. However, my question is mainly towards the people who have decided in advance to put a limit on that. I call it a limit as that is the best way to describe it. There is another situation: "We are soft swap, but with the right couple we will go full swap!" What the heck is that? So my understanding is: you like someone enough to suck/lick him, but not to fuck him. And when do you decide? In the middle of the play? Or you have already made your mind, but don't wanna say it loud incase it pushes out your potential meet. I think those couples are actually the worst one- they know, they are not full, but lie so they can get someone into a room. So pathetic. Interesting isn't? | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. There are many reasons but jealousy or selfishness have never come into it. Bunny knows she could go out tonight with or without me and have fun with any number of men and women and do what ever her heart desires. Soft swap is just a preference. Similar to me not wanting anal fisting every time I go out. No boundaries is great if that is for you, but the second someone suggests sploshing, Golden showers, Lithophilia or Formicophilia then I'm going to say not for me thanks.
Before I go ahead, I have to say thay the only reason I sound judgemental is beacouse you asked the question.
So you still have not answered my genuine question: why do you prefer the soft swap?
You said the she can go out and have fun. That is fine. Whoever what about you? Is she happy for you to go out?
You say it is not jealousy, but knowing that someone is out having fun, and actually seeing it next to you are 2 different things. Been with couples where both say they are full, sounds very promising but when we go to play, eiter the girl or the guy gets uncomfortable seeing his girl/boy moaning from pleasure, and full on with different partner. We had a situation, where the girl stormed out of the room seeing her boy fucking M. She flipped out completely, ran out nakked in the hotel hollway. They were good friends of ours, and I know for a fact that it took them a year to recover theirs relationship, after the "accident". Felt really sorry for them, as they were telling us that both are not Jealous peopke and really open-minded. Turns out they were not.
So going back to my genuine question: why do you prefer soft swap? Not judging, just curious.
sometimes we end up having been only soft because penetration for me isn't the be all and end all of a sexual encounter, I either don't fancy it at the time, or what I'm doing with other people is pleasurable enough that I don't even think about it...we can get to the end of an evening or even the next morning and think...blimey, didn't fuck last night...never had any complaints and plenty of repeat meets so nobody appears to feel short changed
I totally understand you. We have had few occasions where it just happened to be a soft, and not a major issue. However, my question is mainly towards the people who have decided in advance to put a limit on that. I call it a limit as that is the best way to describe it.
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"We are soft swap, but with the right couple we will go full swap!" What the heck is that? So my understanding is: you like someone enough to suck/lick him, but not to fuck him. And when do you decide? In the middle of the play? Or you have already made your mind, but don't wanna say it loud incase it pushes out your potential meet. I think those couples are actually the worst one- they know, they are not full, but lie so they can get someone into a room. So pathetic.
Interesting isn't?"Yes this one confuses us, is it incase male can't rise to the occasion? Couples that don't kiss is another one. Anyways we prefer to know where we are at as its too frustrating - if its soft need to be upfront end of. | |||
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"We are full swap only, meaning we will not consider soft swaps at all. We have nevwr been soft, even in the beginning. Been few times mislead and end up in a room with couples, who were soft only, which was boring to unbelievable level. We like to have very few boundaries when playing. This is the only way we can have actual fun. Can't understand the soft swap couples either. Is it because of jealousy or selfishness? We adore seing eachother having fun with other partners. There are many reasons but jealousy or selfishness have never come into it. Bunny knows she could go out tonight with or without me and have fun with any number of men and women and do what ever her heart desires. Soft swap is just a preference. Similar to me not wanting anal fisting every time I go out. No boundaries is great if that is for you, but the second someone suggests sploshing, Golden showers, Lithophilia or Formicophilia then I'm going to say not for me thanks.
Before I go ahead, I have to say thay the only reason I sound judgemental is beacouse you asked the question.
So you still have not answered my genuine question: why do you prefer the soft swap?
You said the she can go out and have fun. That is fine. Whoever what about you? Is she happy for you to go out?
You say it is not jealousy, but knowing that someone is out having fun, and actually seeing it next to you are 2 different things. Been with couples where both say they are full, sounds very promising but when we go to play, eiter the girl or the guy gets uncomfortable seeing his girl/boy moaning from pleasure, and full on with different partner. We had a situation, where the girl stormed out of the room seeing her boy fucking M. She flipped out completely, ran out nakked in the hotel hollway. They were good friends of ours, and I know for a fact that it took them a year to recover theirs relationship, after the "accident". Felt really sorry for them, as they were telling us that both are not Jealous peopke and really open-minded. Turns out they were not.
So going back to my genuine question: why do you prefer soft swap? Not judging, just curious."Because we like it. I tried to exaggerate the point on my first point about setting limits such as anal fisting as we are not into that. Everyone sets boundaries. We have done full swap and it's fine no better or worse than soft swap. Its very similar to wanting a Cadburys cream egg (other cream eggs are available). Some times we fancy a cream egg (full swap), but most of the time we just want a bar of chocolate (soft swap). | |||
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"Gosh, this has turned into a great debate, looks like some people think that if others soft swing that’s because there maybe issues such as jealousy between the couple, that’s not strictly the case always, but can be sometimes, just as no kissing, hotwife, cuckold, voyeurs, any type of swinger can have issues, our rule is equal way dynamics with everyone involved. We don’t have an issue soft swinging because frankly we swing to do things we can’t do at home like.... Spit roast, two girls on 1 cock, girls bi play etc etc just everyone getting involved, we have met some full swap couples who just wanted to swap, maybe separate room, that’s it! How boring is that? frankly some soft swap couples really do use there imagination and are loads of fun. Everyone is an individual and how they chose to play is up to them, it’s fine with us if it’s equal dynamics, the trick is finding people without issues " This is very much how we think about it all too...everyone has thier reasons , likes and dislikes . We like everyone to be included equally no matter if that's soft or full swap. We have also found some that just want straight swaps with no play at all ....that's something that if we know before hand doesn't really interest us at all as the reason like yourselves, we swing because we like to do things that we can't do just the 2 of us .If we wanted to just have sex with someone with no group interaction then we would play separately ...but again that's just our preference and everyone likes different things . Xx Mrs xx | |||
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"By the way, since we are talking, I had an interesting argument with a couple on fab, who ended up blocking me. They have been chasing us for good few months, and I have not been responding as on theirs profile they said: the guy is free to have sex with everyone, but the girl, never touches anyone else apart of her own partner. After numerous message, I have finally told them: You are different swinging status than our preference. So please leave us alone. They replied that they are Full swap, but only him can play with others. Obviously I confronted them that this is not a full sawp, and in fact I am not sure that there is a name for it. They on other side said: You are weirdo, letting others fuck your girl. And blocked us. So what swing status is that? "Well I suppose the only good thing to come from them is they told you before a meet haha . Xx Mrs xx | |||
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"I do get that everyone has the right of choice and the reasons could be different for each couple. You mentioned few other boundaries but most of them have simple explanation and not blanked under the statement: becouse thats the way we like it. For example: fisting- too painful, pissing- unhealthy and frankly disgusting, etc. By the way, I really mean no offence and not trying to interrogate you, but for over 15 years in the lifestyle I could not answer that question to myself as everyone says the same: "becouse thats the way we like it" Please don't feel obligated to answer, and not looking for argument but discussion. " I agree. Never understood the expression ‘because that’s the way we like it’ or ‘it’s our preference’. Of all the things we won’t do or weren’t willing to do at a certain period of time, we have always been able to explain why. Yes, and I I started off with an ‘above waist only’ rule, but I was able to explain why beyond it being a preference. And there are things we used not to do, which we comfortably do now, and we’re not ashamed to admit that that elements of jealousy or insincurities may have played a part back then. The ability to self reflect is important imo. Mrs | |||
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"Just a simple query, we're looked at alot but seem to be relegated to the "pass" pile, is it due to us wanting only soft swap (as we're newbies and wanting to take things slow) or are we not as cute as we think!! Lol
I can kind of guess full swap is a whole now level of pleasure but think an evening of naughty play then ravishing your partner once totaly high off pheromones is horny as hell? Maybe a soft swing only sister site of FAB could be created "We started off soft-swinging almost 12 years ago. That lasted precisely 1/2 of our first meet | |||
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"Just a simple query, we're looked at alot but seem to be relegated to the "pass" pile, is it due to us wanting only soft swap (as we're newbies and wanting to take things slow) or are we not as cute as we think!! Lol
I can kind of guess full swap is a whole now level of pleasure but think an evening of naughty play then ravishing your partner once totaly high off pheromones is horny as hell? Maybe a soft swing only sister site of FAB could be created
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"I do get that everyone has the right of choice and the reasons could be different for each couple. You mentioned few other boundaries but most of them have simple explanation and not blanked under the statement: becouse thats the way we like it. For example: fisting- too painful, pissing- unhealthy and frankly disgusting, etc. By the way, I really mean no offence and not trying to interrogate you, but for over 15 years in the lifestyle I could not answer that question to myself as everyone says the same: "becouse thats the way we like it" Please don't feel obligated to answer, and not looking for argument but discussion. " If we were a hotwife/hothusband couple would you be unable to understand why we would prefer to watch the other have sex rather than join in? Taste/sexual preferences are not something that can be boiled down to numbers. X being 5 times more pleasurable than y, its subjective depending on the people and the mood. Similar to going into a restaurant and picking from a menu, you may pick different things each time you go, but there will usually be one or two clear favourites. For us we do lots of different things sexually, sometimes we just want lots of hands and lips to stimulate multiple part of the body. Other times we watch each other being intimate with another person. Sometimes it's exciting to let the partner go out alone with free reign to do what they like and let the imagination roll then catch up later. Sometimes we want to full swap. Sometimes we just dress to thrill no touching required. Even had a night out where it was just fully clothed seduction and kissing with people who fancied us. But in terms of choices it's down to mood and what we and others want. We are always clear with the people we play with and none have ever had an issue with our preferences on the day. When we are sexual together at home, sometimes it is very loving, other times quite hard, sometimes we just massage each other. Sometimes it's a fuck without orgasm. Sometimes we will masterbate alone. Whips, dress up, outdoors. If a reason beyond simple preference is needed just put it down to us being freaky and weird. It kinda fits too. | |||
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"Soft swap is like you putting on a tuxedo and your girlfriend putting on a ball gown to stay home and eat dinner . I tried this with a ex girlfriend and it was the worst experience every... We had dinner then dancing at a club with another couple. Then we all went to a hotel after. My girl didn’t want to swap or play with the other woman. So we all just had sex on the same bed... I was pissed. I told my girlfriend on the way home. If I wanted to just have sex with you and watch another couple. We could have stayed home ... had sex and watched a Porn. I could have saved $700 dollars... she wasn’t happy " So she should have fucked someone she didn't want to because you wanted her to and because you'd forked out money? nice... | |||
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"Soft swap is like you putting on a tuxedo and your girlfriend putting on a ball gown to stay home and eat dinner . I tried this with a ex girlfriend and it was the worst experience every... We had dinner then dancing at a club with another couple. Then we all went to a hotel after. My girl didn’t want to swap or play with the other woman. So we all just had sex on the same bed... I was pissed. I told my girlfriend on the way home. If I wanted to just have sex with you and watch another couple. We could have stayed home ... had sex and watched a Porn. I could have saved $700 dollars... she wasn’t happy "  | |||
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"Soft swap is like you putting on a tuxedo and your girlfriend putting on a ball gown to stay home and eat dinner . I tried this with a ex girlfriend and it was the worst experience every... We had dinner then dancing at a club with another couple. Then we all went to a hotel after. My girl didn’t want to swap or play with the other woman. So we all just had sex on the same bed... I was pissed. I told my girlfriend on the way home. If I wanted to just have sex with you and watch another couple. We could have stayed home ... had sex and watched a Porn. I could have saved $700 dollars... she wasn’t happy " That's why communication is the key. You should know your boundaries in advance, and no surprises. Saying that, even I know that we are full swap only, and we are out on a date, I would not expect this to happen. If Mrs, says that she doesn't feel right, or has some reservations, we will just go home, and won't do soft swap for the sake of it, or just because I have spend some money going out. However, really pisses me off, to go out with a couple, knowing we are just full swap, and after spending some time flirting and laughing, they tell us: by the way we are just soft sawp. That boils my blood. Those people are cheeky, as intentionally have hidden that, so they can lure us to a meet with hopes we will compromise. Needless to say, they wasted theirs and our time. Also never meet couples which state: Soft swap but full sawp with the right couple. What a BS is that. We have one rule: either we like you or we don't. There is no middle ground here. | |||
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"Soft swap is like you putting on a tuxedo and your girlfriend putting on a ball gown to stay home and eat dinner . I tried this with a ex girlfriend and it was the worst experience every... We had dinner then dancing at a club with another couple. Then we all went to a hotel after. My girl didn’t want to swap or play with the other woman. So we all just had sex on the same bed... I was pissed. I told my girlfriend on the way home. If I wanted to just have sex with you and watch another couple. We could have stayed home ... had sex and watched a Porn. I could have saved $700 dollars... she wasn’t happy So she should have fucked someone she didn't want to because you wanted her to and because you'd forked out money? nice..." No she shouldn’t have done anything she didn’t want to. Looking back it was my fault. I was 25 and she was 23. We were in a new 6 month relationship and I suggested swinging to her. The only boundaries we set were safe sex. Soft swinging never came up. The Couple we choose was early 30’s female with a 40’s male. Both good looking and in great shape. She liked the wife but not the husband. What I was pissed at her About was , if she wasn’t feeling it. We should have said our good byes after dinner. Not go to a club and hotel after. We were going to dinner anyway... btw the other couple was full swap. It was my girlfriend that was the buzz kill. | |||
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"Having come from a 10 year almost exclusive full swap, to a new mainly soft swap relationship, depending on mood and the people, I can honestly say anybody that thinks soft is a waste of time and unsatisfactory is not doing it right, lol. Oh and dragonfire, soft swap, "Without looking to start argument, but really don't think you have a choice. Of course you would say you like it, otherwise might not be even soft, next time. | |||
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Without looking to start argument, but really don't think you have a choice. Of course you would say you like it, otherwise might not be even soft, next time. "Not being funny, but I don't get your point? My new partner is happy for me to do whatever I want, if that's your point but I have more fun doing what we do. If that isn't your point I'm really lost | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with." Thank you for being honest...... I believe some soft swap couples are in your position but are afraid to admit it... | |||
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"We tend to avoid ‘soft swap only’ couples not because we insist on full sex (it doesn’t actually matter) but because we’ve had too many bad experiences with couples who have rules about what can and can’t happen. It can (and often dies) lead to tension and awkwardness. We prefer a relaxed environment where anything can happen if everyone’s happy. Sometimes this will be straight soft swap, sometimes a full-on four-way foursome. " Well said. Thats exactly why we don't meet soft swap couples, not because we are judgemental. We prefer as less as possible limmitations, and go with the flow. | |||
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"We are only soft swap and always will be. Each to their own. We’ve been struggling to find the right couple. x" Wow, you are struggling to find the right couple? So you basically compromise with your soft swing dates? Do they know that you find them unattractive, unappealing? My suspicion is even confirmed in your profile. (meet in Tenerife). As experiences swinger, I will advise you to rewrite your profile and remove the bit about Tenerife, and that the MRs looking for good looking only. Statements like that make others think, "are we good enough?", and most likely they will just decided to give it a pass. That doesn't mean you need to meet anyone, you still gonna vet the people, but do it in background. Don't forget that beauty is subjective. | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with." Thanks for the honesty. You are not alone in that situation and certainly nothing wrong with that. We are questioning mainly the people not admitting the real rsasons behind the soft swing. I honestly hope that one day you will overcome those "worries" and enjoy the lifestyle to the fullness. | |||
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"We tend to avoid ‘soft swap only’ couples not because we insist on full sex (it doesn’t actually matter) but because we’ve had too many bad experiences with couples who have rules about what can and can’t happen. It can (and often dies) lead to tension and awkwardness. We prefer a relaxed environment where anything can happen if everyone’s happy. Sometimes this will be straight soft swap, sometimes a full-on four-way foursome. Well said. Thats exactly why we don't meet soft swap couples, not because we are judgemental. We prefer as less as possible limmitations, and go with the flow." Yes we too are nervous about rules. We’ve done soft play and it’s been circumstantial. But if penetration seemed natural to both parties after having some great foreplay, it must be quite strange to stop it happening. I’d worry about it spoiling the mood. Mrs | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with. Thanks for the honesty. You are not alone in that situation and certainly nothing wrong with that. We are questioning mainly the people not admitting the real rsasons behind the soft swing. I honestly hope that one day you will overcome those "worries" and enjoy the lifestyle to the fullness. " Thanks x | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with."
To be honest i too have this 'maybe' worry so you are far from alone in that, us being new to the swap scene I'm the happy with the social/making friend's aspect,foreplay/playing etc but like you am unsure on my feelings (jealousy,insecurity) on him having full sex with someone else.
No one knows exactly how they'll feel untill that point i guess and there's no saying it won't happen in time with the right couple or single woman but i think there would have to be a great deal of trust, connection and respect before that point. Again like yourself we have our boundaries, we aren't prepared to drop them just for the sake of a meet so i guess it may take us longer to meet the right people but as the saying goes... good things come to those who wait... hopefully!
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with.
To be honest i too have this 'maybe' worry so you are far from alone in that, us being new to the swap scene I'm the happy with the social/making friend's aspect,foreplay/playing etc but like you am unsure on my feelings (jealousy,insecurity) on him having full sex with someone else.
No one knows exactly how they'll feel untill that point i guess and there's no saying it won't happen in time with the right couple or single woman but i think there would have to be a great deal of trust, connection and respect before that point. Again like yourself we have our boundaries, we aren't prepared to drop them just for the sake of a meet so i guess it may take us longer to meet the right people but as the saying goes... good things come to those who wait... hopefully!
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with.
To be honest i too have this 'maybe' worry so you are far from alone in that, us being new to the swap scene I'm the happy with the social/making friend's aspect,foreplay/playing etc but like you am unsure on my feelings (jealousy,insecurity) on him having full sex with someone else.
No one knows exactly how they'll feel untill that point i guess and there's no saying it won't happen in time with the right couple or single woman but i think there would have to be a great deal of trust, connection and respect before that point. Again like yourself we have our boundaries, we aren't prepared to drop them just for the sake of a meet so i guess it may take us longer to meet the right people but as the saying goes... good things come to those who wait... hopefully!
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with." We have absolutely no issues of insecurity or jealousy but soft swing is what we enjoy, so don't feel bad about any of yr boundaries. You are both doing what turns you on. Don't let anyone put you down just because they like to have penetrative sex with another partner on every meet, that's their preference and we would never criticise them for it. Fab is so diverse and there's something for everyone. People should be a lot more respectful to others. People who soft swing are having as much fun as the full sex people, the voyeurs and the BDSM. To see all having a great time within their own boundaries should make every one smile, it does us. Such a shame when we see posts saying they don't see the point in this or that. Well the point is we are all having fun in our own ways. We have been in this lifestyle two n half years now, still soft swap but never rule out full swap. Love the social side and the whole lifestyle it brings. Stay happy everyone, let's make the world a happier place. | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with. We have absolutely no issues of insecurity or jealousy but soft swing is what we enjoy, so don't feel bad about any of yr boundaries. You are both doing what turns you on. Don't let anyone put you down just because they like to have penetrative sex with another partner on every meet, that's their preference and we would never criticise them for it. Fab is so diverse and there's something for everyone. People should be a lot more respectful to others. People who soft swing are having as much fun as the full sex people, the voyeurs and the BDSM. To see all having a great time within their own boundaries should make every one smile, it does us. Such a shame when we see posts saying they don't see the point in this or that. Well the point is we are all having fun in our own ways. We have been in this lifestyle two n half years now, still soft swap but never rule out full swap. Love the social side and the whole lifestyle it brings. Stay happy everyone, let's make the world a happier place. "But it’s not disrespectful or critical for people to express that they don’t see the point in soft swing. They are only talking about what works for them. Mrs | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with. We have absolutely no issues of insecurity or jealousy but soft swing is what we enjoy, so don't feel bad about any of yr boundaries. You are both doing what turns you on. Don't let anyone put you down just because they like to have penetrative sex with another partner on every meet, that's their preference and we would never criticise them for it. Fab is so diverse and there's something for everyone. People should be a lot more respectful to others. People who soft swing are having as much fun as the full sex people, the voyeurs and the BDSM. To see all having a great time within their own boundaries should make every one smile, it does us. Such a shame when we see posts saying they don't see the point in this or that. Well the point is we are all having fun in our own ways. We have been in this lifestyle two n half years now, still soft swap but never rule out full swap. Love the social side and the whole lifestyle it brings. Stay happy everyone, let's make the world a happier place.
But it’s not disrespectful or critical for people to express that they don’t see the point in soft swing. They are only talking about what works for them.
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"We have absolutely no issues of insecurity or jealousy but soft swing is what we enjoy, so don't feel bad about any of yr boundaries. You are both doing what turns you on. Don't let anyone put you down just because they like to have penetrative sex with another partner on every meet, that's their preference and we would never criticise them for it. Fab is so diverse and there's something for everyone. People should be a lot more respectful to others. People who soft swing are having as much fun as the full sex people, the voyeurs and the BDSM. To see all having a great time within their own boundaries should make every one smile, it does us. Such a shame when we see posts saying they don't see the point in this or that. Well the point is we are all having fun in our own ways. We have been in this lifestyle two n half years now, still soft swap but never rule out full swap. Love the social side and the whole lifestyle it brings. Stay happy everyone, let's make the world a happier place. "Love this reply! Thank you xx | |||
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"Dare I admit that at the moment we are only soft swap as I am nervous I MAY become insecure or jealous if Mr. P fucks a hot lady. I am excited at the thought of him playing with another women and certainly us both sucking him ( as we have done before ) - but for now- it is our limit for damage control. I feel judged by some on here already for admitting I have these feelings. This surprises me- as surely I can’t be the only one on this site? We love the social side and We love foreplay. We’re here to make friends with patient people who don’t judge- and are compassionate. Who knows that these soft swings , through friendship may lead to QUALITY full swaps in the future? But for now- we have our boundaries that we as a couple are happy with. We have absolutely no issues of insecurity or jealousy but soft swing is what we enjoy, so don't feel bad about any of yr boundaries. You are both doing what turns you on. Don't let anyone put you down just because they like to have penetrative sex with another partner on every meet, that's their preference and we would never criticise them for it. Fab is so diverse and there's something for everyone. People should be a lot more respectful to others. People who soft swing are having as much fun as the full sex people, the voyeurs and the BDSM. To see all having a great time within their own boundaries should make every one smile, it does us. Such a shame when we see posts saying they don't see the point in this or that. Well the point is we are all having fun in our own ways. We have been in this lifestyle two n half years now, still soft swap but never rule out full swap. Love the social side and the whole lifestyle it brings. Stay happy everyone, let's make the world a happier place.
But it’s not disrespectful or critical for people to express that they don’t see the point in soft swing. They are only talking about what works for them.
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"We have absolutely no issues of insecurity or jealousy but soft swing is what we enjoy, so don't feel bad about any of yr boundaries. You are both doing what turns you on. Don't let anyone put you down just because they like to have penetrative sex with another partner on every meet, that's their preference and we would never criticise them for it. Fab is so diverse and there's something for everyone. People should be a lot more respectful to others. People who soft swing are having as much fun as the full sex people, the voyeurs and the BDSM. To see all having a great time within their own boundaries should make every one smile, it does us. Such a shame when we see posts saying they don't see the point in this or that. Well the point is we are all having fun in our own ways. We have been in this lifestyle two n half years now, still soft swap but never rule out full swap. Love the social side and the whole lifestyle it brings. Stay happy everyone, let's make the world a happier place.
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
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"Full swap is so much more relaxed . No worries about crossing boundaries. Just good old fashioned proper fucking . It's like a non alcohol beer. It does when nothing else is on offer but real stuff is where it's at " Ah BUT, you drink non alcoholic thinking bugger nowt else. So go home sober, wake up in the morning raring to go with no bad head and say to yourself.... WOW that was brilliant I'm doing that again. | |||
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
Defending. Lol.
Its good that the great arbiters of real swinging are here to tell us all how to do it properly.
"Sorry, defending was probably the wrong word. How aboud debating? Is that makes you feel better. We as a full swap couple, have nothing to judge you for. Only asking for one thing: soft swappers, leave us alone and don't bother contacting us. Quite often when we host parties, we get so much requests from soft swap couples to join in, saying they will mix well. No! You will not mix well, and in fact will make the party weird. Thats all. We judge only when our request is ignored and we get connected by couple, trying to convince us, who much fun we will have with them. | |||
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"Full swap is so much more relaxed . No worries about crossing boundaries. Just good old fashioned proper fucking . It's like a non alcohol beer. It does when nothing else is on offer but real stuff is where it's at Ah BUT, you drink non alcoholic thinking bugger nowt else. So go home sober, wake up in the morning raring to go with no bad head and say to yourself.... WOW that was brilliant I'm doing that again. " This | |||
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
"We don't understand 5 at all, what defines this? How are you soft but full with the right person. We've had fair few messages off couples claiming this | |||
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
1a). As per 1) + girls play
That's us"Surely that would be 3 then wouldn’t it ? | |||
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"Actually I see lots of people defending the soft swing, but I am sure that most don't even know what actually is the soft swing. With Full swap everyone knows that there are no limmits(apart of full swap fully open, which mean even separate rooms) but with soft there are quite few variations: 1. Two couples having sex in the same room, with own partner only watching the others; 2. Above + touching alowed; 3. Above + the girls alowed to play between them; 4. Above + oral play between everyone; 5. All the above + the famous statement: with the right couple we will go full swap.
1a). As per 1) + girls play
That's us
Surely that would be 3 then wouldn’t it ? "A took "above" as directly above, but yes , 1 + 3 | |||
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