FabSwingers.com forum: Straight Profiles with TV/TS Verifications

By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Question, i find it rather interesting when i see straight male profiles who have loads of TV/TS verifications, surly that would make them bi?

If you like to play with cock your bi? nothing to be ashamed about on a sex site, understand in the real world you might want to keep it a secret, but here just own it.

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

You're making an assumption they like to play with cock. Few that I know do.

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By *ylonSlutTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I would say I get 90% of my messages from "straight" men. Some say they don't put bi so they don't put couples off. Some say they don't put bi because they only like ts/tvs and if they put bi in their profiles they would contacted by singles male's. Which they have no interest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We get a lot of straight males contact us, even though it's clear in the profile what we are looking for, one guy told us he doesn't put bi on his status because woman may think he will try to turn their husbands...ffs

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"You're making an assumption they like to play with cock. Few that I know do."

But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

OP I love the last paragraph. Nearly as much as I like your MM sucking dick pic

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"We get a lot of straight males contact us, even though it's clear in the profile what we are looking for, one guy told us he doesn't put bi on his status because woman may think he will try to turn their husbands...ffs"

Maybe we should start a book of reasons given for being “fab straight”

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple
over a year ago

Falkirk

We know several TV/TS from organised events.

No doesn't make them bi.

Its just you making an assumption.

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By *vetteBondTV/TS
over a year ago

English Riviera

I don't mind guys pretending to be straight with me

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

There's far too much judgement where sex is concerned both in real life and on here unfortunately. If a man likes a convincing tv/ts- someone who is very feminine/beautiful and glamourous but he has no desire for any male with muscle, hair, masculine qualities I don't think it's as straight-cut (pardon the pun) as saying someone should identify as bi. It's also up to the individual to say how he/she identifies. Sure there's women on here who have played with other women for the gratification of their husbands without having any real sexual attraction to the woman they're playing with.

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Yes you're correct, i am making an assumption that if you play with a human being with a cock you're bi, ie fucking them or getting fucked or sucking them or getting sucked by them.

Have no problem with what adults do between themselves, just wonder why ones profile would be straight if they do any of the above.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Because a lot of people on here also like to encourage men “not” to come to terms with their sexuality. Perhaps they miss the days of chemical castration and inprisonment for homosexuals. The anti label police, it’s like living in the bleedin 19th century on here sometimes.

There is nothing wrong with being bi, gay, straight so why lie!!! Embrace what you are.

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

And what about a man fucking a transitioning transsexual or perhaps even a fully transitioned transsexual?

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

And what about a man fucking a transitioning transsexual or perhaps even a fully transitioned transsexual?"

My answers are purely regarding TVs which are by a big majority the group that make up TV / TS on here.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

And what about a man fucking a transitioning transsexual or perhaps even a fully transitioned transsexual?"

Exactly this. It isn't always black and white.

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By *londie8399Couple
over a year ago

blackpool

We have one on ours that we meet at an organised group social so I would end just presume they have played with them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

And what about a man fucking a transitioning transsexual or perhaps even a fully transitioned transsexual?

My answers are purely regarding TVs which are by a big majority the group that make up TV / TS on here. "

I tried to point this out yesterday..it might have come accross in another manner:

If a man fucks someone(TV) who wears womens clothes/makeup etc, the man probably would never fuck a TV if they did not have any female paraphernalia.If the guy is enjoying the TV's cock.. then there is a bisexual side there...but I for one think many of these 'straight' guys want to fuck an arse and a mouth-and might be imagining that its more a female that they are playing with.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Yes there will be grey areas, but I think the OP is alluding to profiles where a “straight” man has met several TVs and the veri proves this is not social.

Because I haven’t seen a profile where a straight guy has multiple only veris from TVs from socials.

Nor have I seen a single profile of a straight guy with multiple trans gender veris.

And we do get a lot of messages from this group that I view their profile and their veris. Always bullshit reasons for not being honest.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

And what about a man fucking a transitioning transsexual or perhaps even a fully transitioned transsexual?

My answers are purely regarding TVs which are by a big majority the group that make up TV / TS on here.

I tried to point this out yesterday..it might have come accross in another manner:

So later on tonight if I fuck Sir and think of you, who am I fucking

Do I have to go down the duck and chicken scenario again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But a man fucking a man isn’t straight, no matter what they wear.

And what about a man fucking a transitioning transsexual or perhaps even a fully transitioned transsexual?"

The OP did specify that he means one person with a penis,playing with another person with a penis.

He didn't specify that it matters to him whether both penises are involved in the action,just their presence is enough.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

Far too many assumptions being made on here about others. For me, I just think that someone else's sexuality is nobody else's business. Am I naive enough to think that there is never sexual confusion on here? No. Do I think that if a man has veris from tvs/ts that automatically makes him bisexual? No. I like men. I'm not personally attracted to men who dress as women so I'd never meet with someone who identifies as such because it isn't my preference. Pretty, effeminate men do nothing for me personally. I also do think that on a site like this people should feel free to explore without being automatically labelled. For me, I just think, 'so fucking what?' These attitudes and judgements are counterproductive to sexual exploration not liberating.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

Some T/V T/S are married. ... to women ....so they say they are BI ....I dont see the problem .

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Far too many assumptions being made on here about others. For me, I just think that someone else's sexuality is nobody else's business. Am I naive enough to think that there is never sexual confusion on here? No. Do I think that if a man has veris from tvs/ts that automatically makes him bisexual? No. I like men. I'm not personally attracted to men who dress as women so I'd never meet with someone who identifies as such because it isn't my preference. Pretty, effeminate men do nothing for me personally. I also do think that on a site like this people should feel free to explore without being automatically labelled. For me, I just think, 'so fucking what?' These attitudes and judgements are counterproductive to sexual exploration not liberating. "

My attitude and judgment is after ten years of being on here with a Male bi partner and being inundated with messages from “ straight guys” who ALL turn out to be lying for x,y,z reason and not one of them for any good reason, usually to deceive other people into having sex with them. I’m a bit choosier about who I keep company with.

Being bi does not make you any less of a person.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

I never said being bi was wrong. Check my preference on my profile. Some people lie on here. It doesn't mean everyone does. I personally think it's brilliant we live in a world where men and women are more able to move more fluidly with their sexuality, are able to try new things and most of the time can do it without the judgement of others. If it's safe, fun and consensual it's got nothing to do with anybody else. Labels are just labels. Attributing them to others by your own will does not make it fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some T/V T/S are married. ... to women ....so they say they are BI ....I dont see the problem .

I don't think the OP was particularly questioning the honesty of the TVs themselves. It's straight guys that like them he seems to have an issue about.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"I never said being bi was wrong. Check my preference on my profile. Some people lie on here. It doesn't mean everyone does. I personally think it's brilliant we live in a world where men and women are more able to move more fluidly with their sexuality, are able to try new things and most of the time can do it without the judgement of others. If it's safe, fun and consensual it's got nothing to do with anybody else. Labels are just labels. Attributing them to others by your own will does not make it fact. "

But there are certain accepted biological actions that don’t make you straight whatever you want to call it. And I think people actively encouraging guys to hide as straight is repressing those men and I think it’s totally unhealthy. It’s 2018 we should celebrate the freedoms that a site like this has to offer.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

Celebrating freedom is allowing someone to identify how THEY want to identify... not how YOU want them to identify because it hurts your feelings and you attribute their experiences to your own. You repress anybody you attach labels to only because it helps YOU process. Some people experiment, some people never go there. Some people do it and identify as bi. Some people do it once and never go there again. But under any of these curcumstances even if you thought you were right you should never force anyone into a corner. You wouldn't put pressure on a teenager struggling with their sexuality to come out until they're ready to do so because it would be cruel and damaging to do so. Someone saying they're straight because they like the female form in its many guises (even if that means enjoying limited sexual contact with tvs/ts but never other men) does not affect you or smear other bi people. It just doesn't. Sorry.

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Celebrating freedom is allowing someone to identify how THEY want to identify... not how YOU want them to identify because it hurts your feelings and you attribute their experiences to your own. You repress anybody you attach labels to only because it helps YOU process. Some people experiment, some people never go there. Some people do it and identify as bi. Some people do it once and never go there again. But under any of these curcumstances even if you thought you were right you should never force anyone into a corner. You wouldn't put pressure on a teenager struggling with their sexuality to come out until they're ready to do so because it would be cruel and damaging to do so. Someone saying they're straight because they like the female form in its many guises (even if that means enjoying limited sexual contact with tvs/ts but never other men) does not affect you or smear other bi people. It just doesn't. Sorry. "

^^^ I think you present a very good argument

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

It hurts my feelings

What a very odd thing to say!! I’m talking about the MAJORITY, not these exceptions you keep throwing in. The post was about guys that have multiple verifications ....

Just because you say something doesn’t make it true.

I’m a slender, blonde 21 year old. I said it, so of course it’s true. Why so defensive ? Hey if you support the fab straight massive that’s entirely your choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe we should start a book of reasons given for being “fab straight”

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It hurts my feelings

What a very odd thing to say!! I’m talking about the MAJORITY, not these exceptions you keep throwing in. The post was about guys that have multiple verifications ....

Just because you say something doesn’t make it true.

I’m a slender, blonde 21 year old. I said it, so of course it’s true. Why so defensive ? Hey if you support the fab straight massive that’s entirely your choice.

Why are you so vehemently against it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fully bi here and love it

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

My profile says I’m bi but I’m only looking to meet men and all my verifications are from men Holy fuck I’m obviously straight. Eeeeek

A man who fucks a TV is just that... a man who fucks a TV

A woman who fucks a TV is just that ... a woman who fucks a TV.

No one but that person has any business deciding on their sexuality.

V x

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

It hurts my feelings

What a very odd thing to say!! I’m talking about the MAJORITY, not these exceptions you keep throwing in. The post was about guys that have multiple verifications ....

Just because you say something doesn’t make it true.

I’m a slender, blonde 21 year old. I said it, so of course it’s true. Why so defensive ? Hey if you support the fab straight massive that’s entirely your choice.

Nah, I'm not defensive at all. Nothing wrong with being bi, and there's certainly nothing wrong with others experimenting either. I think we just need to lose the judgement to be completely free. Like I said. It's not mine, yours or anybody else's business.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People are allowed to identify however they like, just because they have met TV/TS doesn't give you the right to assume their identity. But, are some of them lying? Probably. Are all of them? No way. That is due to the unfortunate stigma of being a bi (or gay) man that still exists.

There are also lots of ways to sexually identify, and I think it's a shame there is only 3 options on this site. I think you'll find most of these guys consider themselves to be much closer to straight than gay, and that they have no attraction to men.

Also, gender is not defined by genitals therefore just because 2 people with penises have sex it does not automatically make it gay/bi. It's also a shame there's only 3 gender options and that TS women and TVs are lumped into the same category.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"People are allowed to identify however they like, just because they have met TV/TS doesn't give you the right to assume their identity. But, are some of them lying? Probably. Are all of them? No way. That is due to the unfortunate stigma of being a bi (or gay) man that still exists.

Absolutely this.

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

"My profile says I’m bi but I’m only looking to meet men and all my verifications are from men Holy fuck I’m obviously straight. Eeeeek

A man who fucks a TV is just that... a man who fucks a TV

A woman who fucks a TV is just that ... a woman who fucks a TV.

No one but that person has any business deciding on their sexuality.

V x

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By *Cocksucker84Man
over a year ago

newcastle

^^^ I think you present a very good argument

Thank you!

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

All am saying is, I saw a straight male profile with no less than 10 verifications all from TV/TS and they where not socials verifications.

Surely the dude should just admit he bi at the least, you can’t call yourself straight if your fucking or getting fucked by men.

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

"All am saying is, I saw a straight male profile with no less than 10 verifications all from TV/TS and they where not socials verifications.

Surely the dude should just admit he bi at the least, you can’t call yourself straight if your fucking or getting fucked by men."

You can call yourself whatever you like and it’s not your business.

V x

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Ok if that’s the case do not call me a bi black man, please refer to me as a bi Chinese man.

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By *09309309Woman
over a year ago

Dublin

"Ok if that’s the case do not call me a bi black man, please refer to me as a bi Chinese man."

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

"Ok if that’s the case do not call me a bi black man, please refer to me as a bi Chinese man."

But that’s the point. I’d refer to you as nothing more than a man. And perhaps a black man if you were standing next to another man who was white and I wanted to describe your differences.

Sexuality is way more complex than straight/gay/bi. And your label is not someone else’s.

V x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All am saying is, you can’t call yourself straight if your fucking or getting fucked by men."

People can call themselves whatever they like. Whether or not anybody else believes them or takes them seriously is another matter altogether.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"All am saying is, I saw a straight male profile with no less than 10 verifications all from TV/TS and they where not socials verifications.

Surely the dude should just admit he bi at the least, you can’t call yourself straight if your fucking or getting fucked by men.

You can call yourself whatever you like and it’s not your business.

V x "

I eat pork, chicken and beef. I’m a vegan !

Some things are just facts ffs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is my favourite rant on herelol

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Ok if that’s the case do not call me a bi black man, please refer to me as a bi Chinese man."

You said it, so it must be true

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

My partner fucks men. Loves kissing them and mutual blowjobs. What sexuality is he?

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By *istressdandsubtCouple
over a year ago

caterham

In fairness does it really matter what people say they are? Yiu have a chouce to play or not to play . also in the moment things can change in a play where you or someone may try somthing tgat maybe considered bi or gay but if the people involved are fine with it whats the problem . we play with tvs so mistress can use her strapon . sge gets great pleasure frim fyckung a guys/TV ass and why shouldnt she . i may have to suck in the play but whatever . if you dont like their veris then dont contact or play as i said a choice. Also why not just ask them then make tour decision

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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol East

Surely the dude should just admit he bi at the least, you can’t call yourself straight if your fucking or getting fucked by men."

Do the veris say they fucked (either way)? If not, you're making an assumption.

You seem pre-occupied with whether someone has a penis attached.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Also many who meet TV / CD are very hot guys .... maybe I should invest in a strap on

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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago

Burnleyish (She/They)

Surely rather then argue about how other people label themselves it would be much better to have a discussion about why it is harder for a man to say he is bi, look at how it's less socially acceptable, even on FAB and what we can do to help break those barriers and mindsets down.

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

In the real world I agree with you.

In the swinging world I disagree with you, the labels we quote on quote have determines whether we want to meet that person/couple or not, simply saying we can call ourselves what ever we want makes no sense, if we can't be honest about ones sexuality in the world amongst naughty people where can we?

Imagine a woman wanting to try a bi/lesbian experience, she sees a profile which states they are a woman, the pictures on their profile is convincing and they look all woman, they arrange to meet up and and then they about to get busy and he has a nice hard on turns around and says don't worry love am all woman. The fact of the matter is that persons profile should be truthful, just be honest if you like TV/TS you bi, nothing wrong with it, I have seen a few TV/TS on here and thought mmmmmm wouldn't mind some play time with them, but generally not my thing, so wouldn't happen. But if that is your thing your not straight. Simple. Stop trying to be politically correct in a swingers world, and fuck who you want to fuck and be honest about your kinky side.

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

We are not arguing

just some naughty swingers with a difference of opinion x

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Strap on loving is fun x

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

This particular one the veris got my cock hard just reading it

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

It matters alot what people say they are.

It's called being truthful.

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Well he can be what ever he says he is, but sounds very bi to me

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Anyway peeps I just wondered and we all have the right to our opinions, this is just mine, and what ever makes you happy go for it.

But if I meet a straight couple which I have a few times and the dude is sucking my cock like a Pro, I will keep it a secret, but your bi. IMO

Have a very naughty weekend and play safe.

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By *tace 309TV/TS
over a year ago

durham

Well we are all what we are .

Why make a mountain out of a molehill .have a nice day people x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me i have no sexual attraction to men. I do find a "guy" who is feminine and likes to dress up convincingly attractive sexy. Also i find ts again who are convincing sexy. Im not attracted to the cock or muscles im attracted to the thought of dirty fun. Its a turn on for me. I identify myself as partially bisexual. Im not adverse to putting bi on my profile but when i have in the past i get too many single guys requesting meets. I dont want 1on1 with guys, if they are part of an open minded couple then ive no problem with opening up. For me its all about the dirty minded fantasy fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I get this bullshit ALL the time.

One guy the other day was making it very clear to me he was straight and yet wanted to suck my cock? (Seriously!?)

Straight - women & vagina only

Bisexual - There is a scale...

1.)Some like trans women with a dick/ only like the dick & isnt attracted to men.

2.) Can have sex with other men but cant get romantic of kiss/huggy (mostly an interalised homophobia)

3.) 50/50 type, can do everything wih either sex including have a gay or straight relationship.

Gay - Purely attracted to a mans appearance and their junk... Not interested in women at all.

Thats my experience from all the shags ive had... lol. Some people get angry and refuse to be pigeon holed, but like it or not... It still all falls into the bisexual scale.

Now, women on the otherhand dont seem to have any hangups in admitting if they are bisexual or not. They dont have fragile masculinity issues like a lot of men on here... Men should learn from the lovely confident ladies

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

All I can say is "exactly"

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"I get this bullshit ALL the time.

One guy the other day was making it very clear to me he was straight and yet wanted to suck my cock? (Seriously!?)

Straight - women & vagina only

Bisexual - There is a scale...

1.)Some like trans women with a dick/ only like the dick & isnt attracted to men.

2.) Can have sex with other men but cant get romantic of kiss/huggy (mostly an interalised homophobia)

3.) 50/50 type, can do everything wih either sex including have a gay or straight relationship.

Gay - Purely attracted to a mans appearance and their junk... Not interested in women at all.

Thats my experience from all the shags ive had... lol. Some people get angry and refuse to be pigeon holed, but like it or not... It still all falls into the bisexual scale.

In your 'scale of bisexuality', I presume you would also include guys who are attracted to transsexual women because of all their ultra feminine traits - ie; attracted to their femininity and simply don't care about the genitalia; men who are attracted to them in the same way that they are attracted to beautiful genetic women??

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

It’s fab straight , don’t you know it’s a new sexual orientation lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well that still falls under the 1st point I made. Men attracted to women, even with a dick. Sorry mate, but not caring if they have a penis doesnt make you straight. Its still a level of bisexuality as that person has both female & male attributes. Why is there a problem in admiting thats a form of bisexuality, even if it is at the very end scale of being straight?

These are only my opinions. But... I think its fair to say I have a point...? Just like the user who started this topic. No ones hating on anyone here.

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Well that still falls under the 1st point I made. Men attracted to women, even with a dick. Sorry mate, but not caring if they have a penis doesnt make you straight. Its still a level of bisexuality as that person has both female & male attributes. Why is there a problem in admiting thats a form of bisexuality, even if it is at the very end scale of being straight?

These are only my opinions. But... I think its fair to say I have a point...? Just like the user who started this topic. No ones hating on anyone here.

Who says it is necessarily a problem with 'admitting' anything, in my opinion it is simply a matter of personal opinion.

When a woman straps on a replica cock, has she not effectively given herself a male attribute? If a man then enjoys being fucked by this plastic cock must he then 'admit' that he is bisexual?

I say (as do others in this thread), let each and everyone of us, consider our own sexualities in whatever ways we want to

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over a year ago

I HATE that argument. You cant change facts...

"A person claims the earth is flat. Therefore we must agree"

We know thats not fact... Or if I said im a Car instead of a human, does that now make me a car?

...Going back to topic... My biggest issue with men claiming to be straight is that there appears to still be an attachment of homophobia lingering onto it. It looks like this:

"Gay/Bi = abnormal or Straight = Normal."

And when people like you get defensive, it just comes across like what youre truly saying is you have an issue in not being viewed as "the norm"

The fact ive had men fuck my arse in person, not dressed up in any feminine way and expect me to still call them straight is insulting to me.

The fact they hide my verifications, yet display couples & single women...Shows they have an issue.

Ask most people in the trans community... Many have experienced being type casted as 'sex objects' and not being acceptable to be in a relationship with, or open about publicly.

Fabswingers has a fuck load of homophobic undertones, but its swept underneath the carpet and kept hush hush and people like you try to defend your internalised homophobia.

If fab swingers truly want to avoid pigeon holing people it should just display 'interested in men/women/tv'. But most men feel inclined to select straight, because they want to be seen as 'normal'

Am I wrong??? I dont think so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

why is someone telling lies if they do not feel that they wish to designate their sexuality or gender preferences the way you would like them too?

Trans, poly, queer, gender queer, gender fluid, trans queer, male to male, queer intersex are all options plus many others as designated by the sexual health services and Pinktherapy.

This site has a very limited range in the dropdown menu of sexual preference classifications. But the point is that I disclose my information and preferences, not have them designated to me because of another users assumption that my veri's or my friends group suggested that I am something that fits their judgement.

This site should be about exploration but if I have one or ten experiences with someone of the same sex, I am then defined by what meets their criteria? yet their criteria may be extremely limited and quite ignorant of current sex-positive environments. And 'if' people do not feel comfortable expressing their sexuality choices in others defined ways could one of the reasons be because of people who jump on profiles that do not clarify the way those people wish.

We all know about judgements which is why most people (i guess not assume) are here, so why perpetuate the judgements here that many of us detest ( me) from the mainstream world.

If you wish to expand your knowledge of what society and language does by not accepting people who may yet be sexually undefinable, look at the Albert Kennedy trust, a charity which supports younger people develop their sexual expression/confidence.

I am quite disheartened by this thread. Remember the word ASS/U/ME it makes an ASS/ out of U/ and ME/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

...And by the way... before you try to deconstruct what I said. By men, im referring to BISEXUAL men. I do realise straight men also exist.

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over a year ago

"why is someone telling lies if they do not feel that they wish to designate their sexuality or gender preferences the way you would like them too?

Trans, poly, queer, gender queer, gender fluid, trans queer, male to male, queer intersex are all options plus many others as designated by the sexual health services and Pinktherapy.

We all know about judgements which is why most people (i guess not assume) are here, so why perpetuate the judgements here that many of us detest ( me) from the mainstream world.

I am quite disheartened by this thread. Remember the word ASS/U/ME it makes an ASS/ out of U/ and ME/"

Im not saying its the way id like them to. Its biology.

People like you are so PC, you're actually harmful to mental health and encourage denialism.

The universe is Binary, there is no such thing as non-binary. Even quantum physics is binary!

"Hot-cold, good-evil, dead or alive, male or female." See where im going with this?

Its a harsh view, but it is a fact of life... Just like how I know there are many people who dont accept me and my views? Thank fuck were all different.

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

Am I wrong??? I dont think so.

Of course you are not wrong; there is no 'right' or 'wrong' to this debate. It is all just a matter of opinion and this is why we are each entitled to our own.

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By *09309309Woman
over a year ago

Dublin

"I HATE that argument. You cant change facts...

"A person claims the earth is flat. Therefore we must agree"

We know thats not fact... Or if I said im a Car instead of a human, does that now make me a car?

...Going back to topic... My biggest issue with men claiming to be straight is that there appears to still be an attachment of homophobia lingering onto it. It looks like this:

"Gay/Bi = abnormal or Straight = Normal."

And when people like you get defensive, it just comes across like what youre truly saying is you have an issue in not being viewed as "the norm"

The fact ive had men fuck my arse in person, not dressed up in any feminine way and expect me to still call them straight is insulting to me.

The fact they hide my verifications, yet display couples & single women...Shows they have an issue.

Ask most people in the trans community... Many have experienced being type casted as 'sex objects' and not being acceptable to be in a relationship with, or open about publicly.

Fabswingers has a fuck load of homophobic undertones, but its swept underneath the carpet and kept hush hush and people like you try to defend your internalised homophobia.

If fab swingers truly want to avoid pigeon holing people it should just display 'interested in men/women/tv'. But most men feel inclined to select straight, because they want to be seen as 'normal'

Am I wrong??? I dont think so.

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

SMH - is that seriously your argument? That if a woman has a rep cock and fucks a man that makes him Bi?

Simple

If a man fucks another man on a regular basis he is bi at the very least, no if or buts.

Why is that so hard to understand.

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over a year ago

Am I wrong??? I dont think so.

Of course you are not wrong; there is no 'right' or 'wrong' to this debate. It is all just a matter of opinion and this is why we are each entitled to our own.

Its a shame your opinions came across defensive & biased then, isnt it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"SMH - is that seriously your argument? That if a woman has a rep cock and fucks a man that makes him Bi?

Simple

If a man fucks another man on a regular basis he is bi at the very least, no if or buts.

Why is that so hard to understand."

Bravo Bi-Black for calling a spade, a spade.

Least some people speak sense on here.

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

Thank you.

Nice arse by the way

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By *inkyBiBlackMale OP Man
over a year ago

London

My assumption was made by the very detailed verifications.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thank you.

Nice arse by the way

Haha thanks sexy, feel free to slip inside

lol

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Simple

If a man fucks another man on a regular basis he is bi at the very least, no if or buts.

Why is that so hard to understand."

That is not hard to understand and I agree with it totally.

I myself was discussing far 'greyer' areas, which in my opinion are open to debate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This always confuses the hell out of me too. To me, if you enjoy fucking and getting sucked off by a TV, even if the looks pretty convincing ,

( and some do ) and you know it's really a man with a penis, wearing a wig and make up, they'll take off later, I can't really see how you can be straight

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im not saying its the way id like them to. Its biology.

People like you are so PC, you're actually harmful to mental health and encourage denialism.

The universe is Binary, there is no such thing as non-binary. Even quantum physics is binary!

"Hot-cold, good-evil, dead or alive, male or female." See where im going with this?

Its a harsh view, but it is a fact of life... Just like how I know there are many people who dont accept me and my views? Thank fuck were all different"

Really? Hot-cold? So warm doesn't exist? Male-female? So intersex people don't exist? What about other species who have many different sexes?

The world is not binary, it has largely been defined that way as it's easier to understand for the majority. Much like the world is simplified at school when teaching young children.

Non-binary people exist whether you think they do or not. People only get to define themselves, not others. You talk about the homophobia on this site, but don't even mention the rampant transphobia, which always shows up in these threads.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Im not saying its the way id like them to. Its biology.

People like you are so PC, you're actually harmful to mental health and encourage denialism.

The universe is Binary, there is no such thing as non-binary. Even quantum physics is binary!

"Hot-cold, good-evil, dead or alive, male or female." See where im going with this?

Its a harsh view, but it is a fact of life... Just like how I know there are many people who dont accept me and my views? Thank fuck were all different

Really? Hot-cold? So warm doesn't exist? Male-female? So intersex people don't exist? What about other species who have many different sexes?

The world is not binary, it has largely been defined that way as it's easier to understand for the majority. Much like the world is simplified at school when teaching young children.

NO LOVE, Only Binary people exist!

You either have a penis or vagina. Just because you want attention by claiming to be neither, doesnt make it a fact.

The only true people who could class as non binary, are those wbo were born with genetic defects and either have both or neither genitals.

But when theres a person that clearly has a single reproductive organ in their pants... Thats what they are im fraid... Now Im certainly not saying im transphobic & I even refer to people by their trans sex identity... Before or Post op.

But to say you can be neither is laughable and cringey... Do we have aliens amongst us now then?

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By *laytimenowMan
over a year ago

Essex

There maybe a reason as to why people declare themselves as straight men .

Example 1 ; In the other world ( non-swinging ) he would only ever consider a relationship with a member of the opposite sex, the whole living together marriage kids etc ,

but sexually get off on having sex with members of the same sex or the inbetween sex of not male not female as well as females & if he is lucky a couple .

So naturally woud consider themselves straight.

Example 2 ; He is not comfortable with his own kink because of the demonisation in the real world of press, society etc , banging the " It's not normal drum " .

But it makes them horny .

Example 3 ; they are just outright chancers trying to blag

It on i'll shag anything , without pissing any1 off .

Who really looks at my veris anyway.

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I remember swinging before the internet , no one chatted so much nonsense , everyone was to busy trying to find the next club, party or person/s to play with .

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

I see some frightened “straight” men in here. If you can’t admit what you are, what exactly do you think of men like my partner?

Several people have quoted, does it matter ? Well yes actually it matters quite a lot to the so called straight guys that fancy a bit of cock. Luckily for them that people are honest and label themselves correctly. Unluckily for them that many like us won’t meet liars.

The question are you bi if you’re pegged by a woman. Course you’re fuckin not, it’s a man having sex with a woman

I tell you, sone of the bullshit reasons above - he wouldn’t have a relationship with a man, I only dabble on a full moon, he doesn’t fancy men would make my partner straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's time to get rid of the 'sexuality' tick box and just have 'looking for'.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"It's time to get rid of the 'sexuality' tick box and just have 'looking for'."

Why? The current system works well. We want to meet and play with openly bi men, couples and women. Anyone messaging us for meets with profiles other than that we don’t meet.

If people are writing their profiles in a way that restricts theitr audience that’s their problem.

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By *ilkand2Couple
over a year ago

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Probably because they have met them in clubs etc....

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