Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Swingers Chat |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 .
I don't need to be gossiped about and judged, so I won't be "coming out" any time soon. It's ridiculous because I know I'm doing nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal to enjoy sex and it's nobody's business if I choose to sleep with just one person or 500, but small minded people get their knickers in a twist about sex and I can't change that. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.." Why? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The scene is becoming more and more mainstream. Our kids know we are swingers and dont mind. I think the problem is that swinging threatens the family structures of society and it will take more time before it becomes fully accepted. One thing we have come to realise that even within the swinging scene from people engaged in a taboo/fringe lifestyle there are those who would discriminate against others for a wide variety of reasons. I guess we all have human failings even swingers
"Disagree with just about all of that! Mainstream is to cheat on your partner and hope you don't get caught, if that ends in divorce then there's no real taboo about that anymore. The little research there is shows that swingering couples are slightly happier than average and less likely to divorce, so it's hardly a thread to the family unit. Polyamory is. The only thing swinging is a threat to, is the horrible practice of serial monogamy. Swinging is not mainstream and never will be in my opinion. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"For a lot of us the reason we don’t ‘come out’ is due to our jobs and kids! Many workplaces are still pretty archaic and their contracts are often worded so that you could be fired for ‘bringing the company into disrepute ‘ by being a swinger. Also many of us with children would be worried about the impact on their kids if they ‘came out’ openly! If I didn’t have kids and knew I couldn’t be fired then I’d have no problem coming out as a swinger! If people looked down on me because of it then so be it! X" I've lost one job because of swinging. I had a panel hear my appeal, i could tell it wasn't going my way. I made a last ditch attempt and pointed out to them that there were enough people in the room that there was about a 93% probability someone other than myself was having or had cheated on their spouse. They looked embrassed and told me that was "totally different". I agreed and told them "yeah, i don't lie about it". | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’ve never felt the need to divulge the details of my sex life at work; it really doesn’t reflect or impact upon my professional capabilities. As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of Fabs "That's just not true sorry, i can't go into details but your analysis is too narrow. You're not really thinking about the range of jobs people do and codes of conduct they might have to sign up to and things you may have to disclose at various points. Sure your analysis would hold for losing a shelf stacking job at tesco, but there are plenty it wouldn't. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 On the other hand I would never tell my employers or kids as it is still viewed as bad behaviour. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As a single woman I keep my sexual preferences private, only a few of my closest friends know. Swinging couples tend to get sneered at by people who don't understand it, they think we're all a bunch of perverts, and it's even worse for single women... I mean, heaven forbid we actually *enjoy* sex .
I don't need to be gossiped about and judged, so I won't be "coming out" any time soon. It's ridiculous because I know I'm doing nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal to enjoy sex and it's nobody's business if I choose to sleep with just one person or 500, but small minded people get their knickers in a twist about sex and I can't change that. "Couldn’t have said it better myself Peachy!! I’m not in the least ashamed of who I am, but society says I should be. So my private life will remain just that apart from a couple of truly trusted people & the friends I have from The swinging & fet community xx | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’ve never felt the need to divulge the details of my sex life at work; it really doesn’t reflect or impact upon my professional capabilities. As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of Fabs
That's just not true sorry, i can't go into details but your analysis is too narrow. You're not really thinking about the range of jobs people do and codes of conduct they might have to sign up to and things you may have to disclose at various points. Sure your analysis would hold for losing a shelf stacking job at tesco, but there are plenty it wouldn't."This is very true. Until society accepts sex more openly, swinging will always be a covert activity for most people! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Without a historical analysis or conducting any research (I haven't had my Ulster Fry yet), societal norms have been dictated by institutions and the upper classes for many years. Back in the day, when the gentry married for money, it was acceptable for men of influence to have many mistresses. Heaven forbid that the lower classes partake in such activities. The Church also has a lot to answer for. With the advent of effective contraception, sex for women is no longer about procreation and became recreation. Society is still struggling to adapt to this." I don't really buy into the idea that a minority shape the attitudes of the masses. The logic is pretty simple, women get pregnant and men don't. So men have always be prone to jealously guard their wives whilst applying different standards to themselves. No conspiracy from the gentry or church needed, men just didn't want to spend their resources raising other mens children. Selfish genes and all that. Assuming you mean a mainstream church then I'd say they are at least consistent. You might disagree with their conclusion, but at least they got their with logic. I'd say the secular society is the confused ones. Feminists can't agree if prostitution is explotiation or empowering. The prevalence of divorce and affairs are overwhelmingly to the point that the default modes of monogamous marriage can barely be said to work anymore. I do agree that contraception has nullified most of the original reasons for attitudes and people haven't updated their attitudes. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Without a historical analysis or conducting any research (I haven't had my Ulster Fry yet), societal norms have been dictated by institutions and the upper classes for many years. Back in the day, when the gentry married for money, it was acceptable for men of influence to have many mistresses. Heaven forbid that the lower classes partake in such activities. The Church also has a lot to answer for. With the advent of effective contraception, sex for women is no longer about procreation and became recreation. Society is still struggling to adapt to this. I don't really buy into the idea that a minority shape the attitudes of the masses. The logic is pretty simple, women get pregnant and men don't. So men have always be prone to jealously guard their wives whilst applying different standards to themselves. No conspiracy from the gentry or church needed, men just didn't want to spend their resources raising other mens children. Selfish genes and all that. Assuming you mean a mainstream church then I'd say they are at least consistent. You might disagree with their conclusion, but at least they got their with logic. I'd say the secular society is the confused ones. Feminists can't agree if prostitution is explotiation or empowering. The prevalence of divorce and affairs are overwhelmingly to the point that the default modes of monogamous marriage can barely be said to work anymore. I do agree that contraception has nullified most of the original reasons for attitudes and people haven't updated their attitudes. " I agree my argument may be weak in areas - a lack of breakfast is to blame | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Without a historical analysis or conducting any research (I haven't had my Ulster Fry yet), societal norms have been dictated by institutions and the upper classes for many years. Back in the day, when the gentry married for money, it was acceptable for men of influence to have many mistresses. Heaven forbid that the lower classes partake in such activities. The Church also has a lot to answer for. With the advent of effective contraception, sex for women is no longer about procreation and became recreation. Society is still struggling to adapt to this. I don't really buy into the idea that a minority shape the attitudes of the masses. The logic is pretty simple, women get pregnant and men don't. So men have always be prone to jealously guard their wives whilst applying different standards to themselves. No conspiracy from the gentry or church needed, men just didn't want to spend their resources raising other mens children. Selfish genes and all that. Assuming you mean a mainstream church then I'd say they are at least consistent. You might disagree with their conclusion, but at least they got their with logic. I'd say the secular society is the confused ones. Feminists can't agree if prostitution is explotiation or empowering. The prevalence of divorce and affairs are overwhelmingly to the point that the default modes of monogamous marriage can barely be said to work anymore. I do agree that contraception has nullified most of the original reasons for attitudes and people haven't updated their attitudes. I agree my argument may be weak in areas - a lack of breakfast is to blame "It's ok, you made interesting discussion points | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As a single woman I keep my sexual preferences private, only a few of my closest friends know. Swinging couples tend to get sneered at by people who don't understand it, they think we're all a bunch of perverts, and it's even worse for single women... I mean, heaven forbid we actually *enjoy* sex .
I don't need to be gossiped about and judged, so I won't be "coming out" any time soon. It's ridiculous because I know I'm doing nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal to enjoy sex and it's nobody's business if I choose to sleep with just one person or 500, but small minded people get their knickers in a twist about sex and I can't change that. "well said.  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We 'came out' as naturists to people at both our former workplaces, and they mostly thought that was weird and kinky, so we certainly didn't tell them we were swingers! Some of our vanilla friends and our adult kids (from former marriages) and other relations know, a couple of the friends were a bit judgmental but all the others were fine about it. Our kids are sexually liberated anyway. It's great to see swinging is more and more accepted these days, we know a couple who had the first night of their honeymoon at a swinger club and another friend's daughter had her hen party in a swinger club. A lot of people can now openly admit there's a difference between sex for love and sex for fun, but society in general and most religions are VERY anti this sort of thing. " People can't understand how it works. It's just sex, but sex is bad if you aren't commited to that person. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business." is it a taboo subject I talk quite openly about it with friends and one woman I meet her children know where we met ,I would talk to my children about it but why would I if its sex related but I imagine many do  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business." I always wonder why people feel the need to share their "private" life with all and sundry. Operative word being "private". I wouldn't discuss my bank balance, how many times a day I opened my bowels etc or my sex life. My job entailed confidentiality. If I couldn't be discreet about my own business who'd trust me with theirs? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We wouldn't sit down and tell co-workers about our private sex lives at home with eachother so we sure as hell wouldn't tell them about our swinging, it has absolutely nothing to do with them." Exactly! Truly don't get this desire to share the minutiae of ones life with all and sundry. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business.is it a taboo subject I talk quite openly about it with friends and one woman I meet her children know where we met ,I would talk to my children about it but why would I if its sex related but I imagine many do "wouldnt | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’ve never felt the need to divulge the details of my sex life at work; it really doesn’t reflect or impact upon my professional capabilities. As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of Fabs "There are some organisations that have "morality" clauses. If you sign the contract and break it you can be dismissed. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’ve never felt the need to divulge the details of my sex life at work; it really doesn’t reflect or impact upon my professional capabilities. As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of Fabs
That's just not true sorry, i can't go into details but your analysis is too narrow. You're not really thinking about the range of jobs people do and codes of conduct they might have to sign up to and things you may have to disclose at various points. Sure your analysis would hold for losing a shelf stacking job at tesco, but there are plenty it wouldn't."I've been able to retire at 56 thanks to earning a living representing people who thought their private life was not their employers business. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’ve never felt the need to divulge the details of my sex life at work; it really doesn’t reflect or impact upon my professional capabilities. As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of Fabs
There are some organisations that have "morality" clauses. If you sign the contract and break it you can be dismissed. "This is so true! The range of professionals (oh dear I mentioned that word!) on here is amazing. Without divulging info I know many who would be dismissed if their 'hobby' was made public. I'm sure alot also have nothing to lose or worry about, but scratch the surface...do you really want your teenage kids to know what you get up to. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.." Said someone in the 1960s. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business.is it a taboo subject I talk quite openly about it with friends and one woman I meet her children know where we met ,I would talk to my children about it but why would I if its sex related but I imagine many do "I’m the same. I love food, sex and music and I talk about them equally and openly | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business.is it a taboo subject I talk quite openly about it with friends and one woman I meet her children know where we met ,I would talk to my children about it but why would I if its sex related but I imagine many do
I’m the same. I love food, sex and music and I talk about them equally and openly "I have no hang ups about how I live my life as long as I'm happy and those around me are its all good | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"For a lot of us the reason we don’t ‘come out’ is due to our jobs and kids! Many workplaces are still pretty archaic and their contracts are often worded so that you could be fired for ‘bringing the company into disrepute ‘ by being a swinger. Also many of us with children would be worried about the impact on their kids if they ‘came out’ openly! If I didn’t have kids and knew I couldn’t be fired then I’d have no problem coming out as a swinger! If people looked down on me because of it then so be it! X I've lost one job because of swinging. I had a panel hear my appeal, i could tell it wasn't going my way. I made a last ditch attempt and pointed out to them that there were enough people in the room that there was about a 93% probability someone other than myself was having or had cheated on their spouse. They looked embrassed and told me that was "totally different". I agreed and told them "yeah, i don't lie about it"." WOW......I am utterly shocked by this! I can't believe you lost your job because of something as private as swinging. Please tell us some more details...did they take the moral high ground with you? Ignoring the "let he who is without sin throw the first stone" argument, etc? Please tell us more....... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public "Our society and many of its morals are based around Christianity still. Even though the country is no longer that religious as a whole. Most of us were taught elements of Christianity as children.. I can remember being taught lots and I'm only 37 and only attended your average CofE school. I'm not blaming religion.. but it's hangovers are still there to see if you look a little closer. It's why homosexuality took spool long to be acceptable and not a crime.. why gender is still controversial to talk about. Yet in Thailand it's not been an issue for a few centuries. There religious views differ a little. It can still be controversial or taboo in some cases.. but on the whole.. it's widely accepted that when you are reincarnated.. it can go wrong and a feminine soul can be locked into a masculine body.. or the reverse. Religion isn't the only factor.. but it plays a big part still in how the society, it's views, it's laws and social norms are viewed in general. The Middle East is a wierd one for homosexuality. It's well known that it's commonly practised amongst a lot of men. Yet to do so in public, to get caught in the wrong place? The punishment can be barbaric. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public "I think some of any negative reaction would be the cheating element and theirs a lot of that going on | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public
Our society and many of its morals are based around Christianity still. Even though the country is no longer that religious as a whole.
Most of us were taught elements of Christianity as children.. I can remember being taught lots and I'm only 37 and only attended your average CofE school.
I'm not blaming religion.. but it's hangovers are still there to see if you look a little closer.
It's why homosexuality took spool long to be acceptable and not a crime.. why gender is still controversial to talk about.
Yet in Thailand it's not been an issue for a few centuries. There religious views differ a little. It can still be controversial or taboo in some cases.. but on the whole.. it's widely accepted that when you are reincarnated.. it can go wrong and a feminine soul can be locked into a masculine body.. or the reverse.
Religion isn't the only factor.. but it plays a big part still in how the society, it's views, it's laws and social norms are viewed in general.
The Middle East is a wierd one for homosexuality. It's well known that it's commonly practised amongst a lot of men. Yet to do so in public, to get caught in the wrong place? The punishment can be barbaric."That was nicely put, but i don't agree. I think that the religious objections to swinging correlate with the secular ones. For the vast majority of our history, the church and state were deeply intertwined, things didn't just happen for religious or political reasons - they were often the same thing. In a word without reliable contraception there's no way sensible secular or religious people would endorse swinging, the consequences are pretty bad. I think jealously is what's deeply ingrained in people, not religious norms, and that's why they find swinging so off putting, since a lot of people feel threatened by it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public
Our society and many of its morals are based around Christianity still. Even though the country is no longer that religious as a whole.
Most of us were taught elements of Christianity as children.. I can remember being taught lots and I'm only 37 and only attended your average CofE school.
I'm not blaming religion.. but it's hangovers are still there to see if you look a little closer.
It's why homosexuality took spool long to be acceptable and not a crime.. why gender is still controversial to talk about.
Yet in Thailand it's not been an issue for a few centuries. There religious views differ a little. It can still be controversial or taboo in some cases.. but on the whole.. it's widely accepted that when you are reincarnated.. it can go wrong and a feminine soul can be locked into a masculine body.. or the reverse.
Religion isn't the only factor.. but it plays a big part still in how the society, it's views, it's laws and social norms are viewed in general.
The Middle East is a wierd one for homosexuality. It's well known that it's commonly practised amongst a lot of men. Yet to do so in public, to get caught in the wrong place? The punishment can be barbaric.
That was nicely put, but i don't agree. I think that the religious objections to swinging correlate with the secular ones. For the vast majority of our history, the church and state were deeply intertwined, things didn't just happen for religious or political reasons - they were often the same thing. In a word without reliable contraception there's no way sensible secular or religious people would endorse swinging, the consequences are pretty bad. I think jealously is what's deeply ingrained in people, not religious norms, and that's why they find swinging so off putting, since a lot of people feel threatened by it. "Nicely put back. I agree with what you're saying, bit i feel religion also has it's place to play. There are many factors. Jealousy, insecurity and peer pressure to be your bog standard "acceptable" human, being the main drivers. Prepared to admit I'm wrong.. or concede to a well put point. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"For a lot of us the reason we don’t ‘come out’ is due to our jobs and kids! Many workplaces are still pretty archaic and their contracts are often worded so that you could be fired for ‘bringing the company into disrepute ‘ by being a swinger. Also many of us with children would be worried about the impact on their kids if they ‘came out’ openly! If I didn’t have kids and knew I couldn’t be fired then I’d have no problem coming out as a swinger! If people looked down on me because of it then so be it! X I've lost one job because of swinging. I had a panel hear my appeal, i could tell it wasn't going my way. I made a last ditch attempt and pointed out to them that there were enough people in the room that there was about a 93% probability someone other than myself was having or had cheated on their spouse. They looked embrassed and told me that was "totally different". I agreed and told them "yeah, i don't lie about it". WOW......I am utterly shocked by this! I can't believe you lost your job because of something as private as swinging. Please tell us some more details...did they take the moral high ground with you? Ignoring the "let he who is without sin throw the first stone" argument, etc? Please tell us more......." I can't really say more than I've written without revealing way more personal information than i want to. The panel weren't there to make a moral judgement per se, they were there to decide if certain codes of conduct had been broken. You might say that code contained moral judgements that had nothing to do with the work, which was the arguement i tried and failed to make. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"To be honest i think any group of people that choose to live an alternative lifestyle away from the social norm are going to be seen by a large proportion of society as outcasts. This can be down to a few different issues. Firstly you have the structured idea of social normality, we have been condition to follow a set way of living be it by goverments religion and other organisations for 100s of years. This idea of normality shuns anyone who decides tp live differently. Secondly you have those that have a moral centre of what they believe is right or wrong. Anything they feel is morally wrong in their eyes should be stopped or hated. Thirdly you have those that knock it because they want to try it but have an internal battle to break away from the social norm Lastly you just have the haters and bullys. Those that try and define their own self worth by belittling others. " All very evident and on display right here on the Forum  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public
Our society and many of its morals are based around Christianity still. Even though the country is no longer that religious as a whole.
Most of us were taught elements of Christianity as children.. I can remember being taught lots and I'm only 37 and only attended your average CofE school.
I'm not blaming religion.. but it's hangovers are still there to see if you look a little closer.
It's why homosexuality took spool long to be acceptable and not a crime.. why gender is still controversial to talk about.
Yet in Thailand it's not been an issue for a few centuries. There religious views differ a little. It can still be controversial or taboo in some cases.. but on the whole.. it's widely accepted that when you are reincarnated.. it can go wrong and a feminine soul can be locked into a masculine body.. or the reverse.
Religion isn't the only factor.. but it plays a big part still in how the society, it's views, it's laws and social norms are viewed in general.
The Middle East is a wierd one for homosexuality. It's well known that it's commonly practised amongst a lot of men. Yet to do so in public, to get caught in the wrong place? The punishment can be barbaric.
That was nicely put, but i don't agree. I think that the religious objections to swinging correlate with the secular ones. For the vast majority of our history, the church and state were deeply intertwined, things didn't just happen for religious or political reasons - they were often the same thing. In a word without reliable contraception there's no way sensible secular or religious people would endorse swinging, the consequences are pretty bad. I think jealously is what's deeply ingrained in people, not religious norms, and that's why they find swinging so off putting, since a lot of people feel threatened by it.
Nicely put back. I agree with what you're saying, bit i feel religion also has it's place to play. There are many factors.
Jealousy, insecurity and peer pressure to be your bog standard "acceptable" human, being the main drivers.
Prepared to admit I'm wrong.. or concede to a well put point."I do see your point. I'm not denying any religious factor. I'm just saying that let's not kid ourselves that there's a large population just waiting on the edge of their seats for the Pope to give the thumbs up to swinging before they accept it. The owner of a northern swinging club went on a channel 4 show and when swinging came up, a contestant told him that as a swinger he shouldn't be allowed near his grandchildren! The host didn't feel compelled to step in or say anything, can you imagine if they said that to a homosexual? The average person on the street thinks that a swinger is basically a prostitute who doesn't charge. A lot of women would object to swingers living next door because they'd be convinced the wife would be trying to seduce their overweight, toothless, shaved-bear looking, lazy eye husband who has BO and is on parole. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public
Our society and many of its morals are based around Christianity still. Even though the country is no longer that religious as a whole.
Most of us were taught elements of Christianity as children.. I can remember being taught lots and I'm only 37 and only attended your average CofE school.
I'm not blaming religion.. but it's hangovers are still there to see if you look a little closer.
It's why homosexuality took spool long to be acceptable and not a crime.. why gender is still controversial to talk about.
Yet in Thailand it's not been an issue for a few centuries. There religious views differ a little. It can still be controversial or taboo in some cases.. but on the whole.. it's widely accepted that when you are reincarnated.. it can go wrong and a feminine soul can be locked into a masculine body.. or the reverse.
Religion isn't the only factor.. but it plays a big part still in how the society, it's views, it's laws and social norms are viewed in general.
The Middle East is a wierd one for homosexuality. It's well known that it's commonly practised amongst a lot of men. Yet to do so in public, to get caught in the wrong place? The punishment can be barbaric.
That was nicely put, but i don't agree. I think that the religious objections to swinging correlate with the secular ones. For the vast majority of our history, the church and state were deeply intertwined, things didn't just happen for religious or political reasons - they were often the same thing. In a word without reliable contraception there's no way sensible secular or religious people would endorse swinging, the consequences are pretty bad. I think jealously is what's deeply ingrained in people, not religious norms, and that's why they find swinging so off putting, since a lot of people feel threatened by it.
Nicely put back. I agree with what you're saying, bit i feel religion also has it's place to play. There are many factors.
Jealousy, insecurity and peer pressure to be your bog standard "acceptable" human, being the main drivers.
Prepared to admit I'm wrong.. or concede to a well put point.
I do see your point. I'm not denying any religious factor. I'm just saying that let's not kid ourselves that there's a large population just waiting on the edge of their seats for the Pope to give the thumbs up to swinging before they accept it.
The owner of a northern swinging club went on a channel 4 show and when swinging came up, a contestant told him that as a swinger he shouldn't be allowed near his grandchildren! The host didn't feel compelled to step in or say anything, can you imagine if they said that to a homosexual? The average person on the street thinks that a swinger is basically a prostitute who doesn't charge. A lot of women would object to swingers living next door because they'd be convinced the wife would be trying to seduce their overweight, toothless, shaved-bear looking, lazy eye husband who has BO and is on parole. " You're right, I can't argue with that.
I think the parents I've met through swinging are amongst some of the best I've met.
They are open minded, they tend to be friends as well as responsible role models to their children. Ready to discuss deep issues. Honest in their own failings as parents.
I've experienced a bit of what you described about the show on TV. It came from someone I used to be very close to and hurt me to my very core and have since lost almost all respect for that person.
If like to think I'm one of those parents I mentioned earlier, I'm probably not, but I'm a lot better than some I know who aren't Swingers.
I'm alone, but I cook them fresh healthy meals, take them on educational, as well as fun days out. Discuss deeper issues when they bring them up, or their behaviour dictates that I need to talk about it. Teach them about how their actions impact others emotions and about maintaining a healthy balance of yours vs theirs happiness.. to respect others views and attempt to understand where those views may come from.
It hurts to be told you're not fit to be a parent.. whatever the reason. I hope the man was given a chance to defend himself. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The owner of a northern swinging club went on a channel 4 show and when swinging came up, a contestant told him that as a swinger he shouldn't be allowed near his grandchildren! The host didn't feel compelled to step in or say anything, can you imagine if they said that to a homosexual? The average person on the street thinks that a swinger is basically a prostitute who doesn't charge. A lot of women would object to swingers living next door because they'd be convinced the wife would be trying to seduce their overweight, toothless, shaved-bear looking, lazy eye husband who has BO and is on parole. You're right, I can't argue with that.
I think the parents I've met through swinging are amongst some of the best I've met.
They are open minded, they tend to be friends as well as responsible role models to their children. Ready to discuss deep issues. Honest in their own failings as parents.
I've experienced a bit of what you described about the show on TV. It came from someone I used to be very close to and hurt me to my very core and have since lost almost all respect for that person.
If like to think I'm one of those parents I mentioned earlier, I'm probably not, but I'm a lot better than some I know who aren't Swingers.
I'm alone, but I cook them fresh healthy meals, take them on educational, as well as fun days out. Discuss deeper issues when they bring them up, or their behaviour dictates that I need to talk about it. Teach them about how their actions impact others emotions and about maintaining a healthy balance of yours vs theirs happiness.. to respect others views and attempt to understand where those views may come from.
It hurts to be told you're not fit to be a parent.. whatever the reason. I hope the man was given a chance to defend himself. "No he wasn't. It's called "without prejudice" - you can probably find it on 4OD. He handled himself with dignity rather than getting into a slagging match. As another poster said above, i think fab distorts peoples view of how 'normal' swinging is. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The owner of a northern swinging club went on a channel 4 show and when swinging came up, a contestant told him that as a swinger he shouldn't be allowed near his grandchildren! The host didn't feel compelled to step in or say anything, can you imagine if they said that to a homosexual? The average person on the street thinks that a swinger is basically a prostitute who doesn't charge. A lot of women would object to swingers living next door because they'd be convinced the wife would be trying to seduce their overweight, toothless, shaved-bear looking, lazy eye husband who has BO and is on parole. You're right, I can't argue with that.
I think the parents I've met through swinging are amongst some of the best I've met.
They are open minded, they tend to be friends as well as responsible role models to their children. Ready to discuss deep issues. Honest in their own failings as parents.
I've experienced a bit of what you described about the show on TV. It came from someone I used to be very close to and hurt me to my very core and have since lost almost all respect for that person.
If like to think I'm one of those parents I mentioned earlier, I'm probably not, but I'm a lot better than some I know who aren't Swingers.
I'm alone, but I cook them fresh healthy meals, take them on educational, as well as fun days out. Discuss deeper issues when they bring them up, or their behaviour dictates that I need to talk about it. Teach them about how their actions impact others emotions and about maintaining a healthy balance of yours vs theirs happiness.. to respect others views and attempt to understand where those views may come from.
It hurts to be told you're not fit to be a parent.. whatever the reason. I hope the man was given a chance to defend himself.
No he wasn't. It's called "without prejudice" - you can probably find it on 4OD. He handled himself with dignity rather than getting into a slagging match.
As another poster said above, i think fab distorts peoples view of how 'normal' swinging is. "I don't think I want to watch it based on what you've said. It'd boil my blood and I don't like that feeling. Thanks anyway. Ill stick to my meek BBC Radio 4 and TV 4. Hard to get riled up about history, natural world, anthropology, sociology and science. Woman's hour gets on my nerves though.. where's Mans Hour? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The owner of a northern swinging club went on a channel 4 show and when swinging came up, a contestant told him that as a swinger he shouldn't be allowed near his grandchildren! The host didn't feel compelled to step in or say anything, can you imagine if they said that to a homosexual? The average person on the street thinks that a swinger is basically a prostitute who doesn't charge. A lot of women would object to swingers living next door because they'd be convinced the wife would be trying to seduce their overweight, toothless, shaved-bear looking, lazy eye husband who has BO and is on parole. You're right, I can't argue with that.
I think the parents I've met through swinging are amongst some of the best I've met.
They are open minded, they tend to be friends as well as responsible role models to their children. Ready to discuss deep issues. Honest in their own failings as parents.
I've experienced a bit of what you described about the show on TV. It came from someone I used to be very close to and hurt me to my very core and have since lost almost all respect for that person.
If like to think I'm one of those parents I mentioned earlier, I'm probably not, but I'm a lot better than some I know who aren't Swingers.
I'm alone, but I cook them fresh healthy meals, take them on educational, as well as fun days out. Discuss deeper issues when they bring them up, or their behaviour dictates that I need to talk about it. Teach them about how their actions impact others emotions and about maintaining a healthy balance of yours vs theirs happiness.. to respect others views and attempt to understand where those views may come from.
It hurts to be told you're not fit to be a parent.. whatever the reason. I hope the man was given a chance to defend himself.
No he wasn't. It's called "without prejudice" - you can probably find it on 4OD. He handled himself with dignity rather than getting into a slagging match.
As another poster said above, i think fab distorts peoples view of how 'normal' swinging is.
I don't think I want to watch it based on what you've said. It'd boil my blood and I don't like that feeling. Thanks anyway. Ill stick to my meek BBC Radio 4 and TV 4. Hard to get riled up about history, natural world, anthropology, sociology and science. Woman's hour gets on my nerves though.. where's Mans Hour?"And the bloody Archers | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public "Many might think so, but most people still have that background idea fed by established religion that sex is sinful unless within marriage. We are Pagans and sex is considered natural and there to be enjoyed for fun as well as commitment. Some Pagans even use sex in their rituals and nudity is fairly common. We actually met and had our first sex at a Pagan camping event where nudity was the norm. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why?" It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050." Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. " Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now." I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public
Many might think so, but most people still have that background idea fed by established religion that sex is sinful unless within marriage. We are Pagans and sex is considered natural and there to be enjoyed for fun as well as commitment. Some Pagans even use sex in their rituals and nudity is fairly common. We actually met and had our first sex at a Pagan camping event where nudity was the norm."But what is the implication of what you are saying? Do you know what % of people are virgins when they get married? The Catholic Church bans all contraception and yet the birth rate in Italy is lower than the UK... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business." Most of my friends know I am bi, crossdress (yes they have seen the pics and didn't recognise me) and swing and are Okay with it. Ok my work mates do not, thankfully. But if you are a lifestyle swinger and not a cheating married guy I think it is ok to discuss with your bezzie mates if they are broadminded. Heck some even go to gay bars with me in guy mode. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
I made some understandable misunderstandings and showed pix which were kind of on subjects they were asking me about but were the opposite of what I sensed they found attractive.
There were some "Fer f***'s sake, I'm trying to eat my meal here!" and the like.
It nicely leveled-off where I wasn't being asked about swinging any more | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"For a lot of us the reason we don’t ‘come out’ is due to our jobs and kids! Many workplaces are still pretty archaic and their contracts are often worded so that you could be fired for ‘bringing the company into disrepute ‘ by being a swinger. Also many of us with children would be worried about the impact on their kids if they ‘came out’ openly! If I didn’t have kids and knew I couldn’t be fired then I’d have no problem coming out as a swinger! If people looked down on me because of it then so be it! X I've lost one job because of swinging. I had a panel hear my appeal, i could tell it wasn't going my way. I made a last ditch attempt and pointed out to them that there were enough people in the room that there was about a 93% probability someone other than myself was having or had cheated on their spouse. They looked embrassed and told me that was "totally different". I agreed and told them "yeah, i don't lie about it"." this! brilliant | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I my work place.a female colleague of mine came out openly as a swinger I applauded her courage.But as time goes on.people become judgmental about her life style. Will you summone such courage in your work place? Or is time society should mind their business." I generally don't discuss my sex life at work and neither does anyone else. It's just seen as unprofessional as it's a private matter and nothing to do with work. The same reason we don't discuss politics or religion. Also, in this day and age someone would probably accuse swingers of misogyny and women who swing as having internalised misogyny. I would keep it private. I'm not gonna fuck any of my work colleagues so why tell them? What do I gain? Nothing. On the other hand what do I stand to lose? Pick your battles. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"For a lot of us the reason we don’t ‘come out’ is due to our jobs and kids! Many workplaces are still pretty archaic and their contracts are often worded so that you could be fired for ‘bringing the company into disrepute ‘ by being a swinger. Also many of us with children would be worried about the impact on their kids if they ‘came out’ openly! If I didn’t have kids and knew I couldn’t be fired then I’d have no problem coming out as a swinger! If people looked down on me because of it then so be it! X I've lost one job because of swinging. I had a panel hear my appeal, i could tell it wasn't going my way. I made a last ditch attempt and pointed out to them that there were enough people in the room that there was about a 93% probability someone other than myself was having or had cheated on their spouse. They looked embrassed and told me that was "totally different". I agreed and told them "yeah, i don't lie about it". this! brilliant " Top girl | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage." Of course a 6 year old wouldn't. But the point is less relevant when you consider that no 6 year old now will understand or be proud of what their parents get up to in their "conventional" sex lives when they've gone to bed. No one in their right mind would tell their children of this age what they do together sexually now, why would this change just because they're into swinging? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage. Of course a 6 year old wouldn't. But the point is less relevant when you consider that no 6 year old now will understand or be proud of what their parents get up to in their "conventional" sex lives when they've gone to bed. No one in their right mind would tell their children of this age what they do together sexually now, why would this change just because they're into swinging?" Exactly. We don't tell the world or our families what we get up to in our bedrooms, so why would we tell the world and our families that we're swingers! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage. Of course a 6 year old wouldn't. But the point is less relevant when you consider that no 6 year old now will understand or be proud of what their parents get up to in their "conventional" sex lives when they've gone to bed. No one in their right mind would tell their children of this age what they do together sexually now, why would this change just because they're into swinging? Exactly. We don't tell the world or our families what we get up to in our bedrooms, so why would we tell the world and our families that we're swingers! " I do it because I like to make people laugh, I like to shock and I like to engage in deep conversation. Yet I have the intelligence to keep it from my children. However... If I tell someone who is so immature, pedantic and stupid to let this spill out in a way that my children would find out. I'd simply tell them I have lots of friends who are women. There's nothing wrong with that. It's something I encourage them to do themselves. If they were at an age to understand what "Swinging" Entailed.. then they're old enough to have that discussion.. IF THEY want to have it. You choose your way, I choose mine. I don't expect others to live as I do, nobody should. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage. Of course a 6 year old wouldn't. But the point is less relevant when you consider that no 6 year old now will understand or be proud of what their parents get up to in their "conventional" sex lives when they've gone to bed. No one in their right mind would tell their children of this age what they do together sexually now, why would this change just because they're into swinging? Exactly. We don't tell the world or our families what we get up to in our bedrooms, so why would we tell the world and our families that we're swingers! I do it because I like to make people laugh, I like to shock and I like to engage in deep conversation. Yet I have the intelligence to keep it from my children. However... If I tell someone who is so immature, pedantic and stupid to let this spill out in a way that my children would find out. I'd simply tell them I have lots of friends who are women. There's nothing wrong with that. It's something I encourage them to do themselves. If they were at an age to understand what "Swinging" Entailed.. then they're old enough to have that discussion.. IF THEY want to have it. You choose your way, I choose mine. I don't expect others to live as I do, nobody should." So we agree. It will always be taboo. As i thought. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I work in an office full of women and they find 50 shades both titilating and shocking. " I find it amusing to get people to define what "really dirty" means when they say they 'once slept with a woman who was really dirty'. Normally it boiled down to her saying "fuck me like a whore" or liking a finger in the bum | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage. Of course a 6 year old wouldn't. But the point is less relevant when you consider that no 6 year old now will understand or be proud of what their parents get up to in their "conventional" sex lives when they've gone to bed. No one in their right mind would tell their children of this age what they do together sexually now, why would this change just because they're into swinging? Exactly. We don't tell the world or our families what we get up to in our bedrooms, so why would we tell the world and our families that we're swingers! I do it because I like to make people laugh, I like to shock and I like to engage in deep conversation. Yet I have the intelligence to keep it from my children. However... If I tell someone who is so immature, pedantic and stupid to let this spill out in a way that my children would find out. I'd simply tell them I have lots of friends who are women. There's nothing wrong with that. It's something I encourage them to do themselves. If they were at an age to understand what "Swinging" Entailed.. then they're old enough to have that discussion.. IF THEY want to have it. You choose your way, I choose mine. I don't expect others to live as I do, nobody should. So we agree. It will always be taboo. As i thought. " On that? Yes, we probably do agree. I don't think it should be and I should be free to live this way openly without being treated differently for it. However, I do recognise that it is and most probably will be, for much longer than the more optimistic posters believe. One day it may be more common and acceptable.. I doubt it'll be in my lifetime though. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I work in an office full of women and they find 50 shades both titilating and shocking. I find it amusing to get people to define what "really dirty" means when they say they 'once slept with a woman who was really dirty'. Normally it boiled down to her saying "fuck me like a whore" or liking a finger in the bum "To a lot of people.. that is.. You forget how vanilla vanilla-life can be. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I work in an office full of women and they find 50 shades both titilating and shocking. I find it amusing to get people to define what "really dirty" means when they say they 'once slept with a woman who was really dirty'. Normally it boiled down to her saying "fuck me like a whore" or liking a finger in the bum
To a lot of people.. that is.. You forget how vanilla vanilla-life can be."I read pornstar Asa Akira's mildly entertaing book. One of her observations is that everyone has a threshold, for some it's just a lot higher. Her husband is fine with her anal scences but he draws the lines at gangbangs... for whatever reason. Blowbangs are fine though. Obviously. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I was outed to former colleagues in my former employers during my first time on fab 5 years ago. The girl I had been meeting, had met a guy I worked with off plenty of fish, through their conversation they discovered that I was a mutual friend and she was explicit in the detail she shared with him. As you can imagine, the news spread like wildfire across the office. People didn’t react well, passing comment as I walked past in a passive aggressive fashion. I think people generally don’t liked to be perceived to be “outside of the norm” or “different” and see swinging as just that. I was branded seedy, dirty, desperate, you name it, they said it. Luckily I left that place. I left fab for a few years (for other reasons) but I did return to fab last year. I’m much more careful these days. I don’t share personal details with anyone. I don’t display face pictures and certainly don’t give out my mobile number. I am a single parent, I have an established career and I wouldn’t jeopardise either of those two for being more open about swinging. If attitudes of the general public changed then maybe I would. Being a swinger is a lifestyle choice rather than a protected characteristic so unless you’re blessed with open minded supportive people then my advice is keep your fab business to yourself. Remember the first rule of fight club.... that’s my fab club rule " There's no fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. Just that certain people with certain lifestyle choices put in the required effort to get it termed a protected characteristic. Unfortunately, swingers won't do that because most this site don't even identify as swingers to start with. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" There's no fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. Just that certain people with certain lifestyle choices put in the required effort to get it termed a protected characteristic. Unfortunately, swingers won't do that because most this site don't even identify as swingers to start with. " There is a fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. If someone is a racist, a homophobe or victimises someone for another protected characteristic eg religion or disability then this is not only socially unacceptable but there are also protective measures put in place (for good reason) eg laws, policies and procedures to protect individuals or groups. A lifestyle choice has no protection. You either stand up for yourself and/or go through whatever route you have for dealing with bullies, which doesn’t give you the same level of support as a protected characteristic through the same process of procedure and doesn’t give you the support of that social/moral/ethical buffer because the general public don’t see it as wrong to victimise someone for their lifestyle choice. I want to be clear, I’m not slating or undermining protected characteristics by any means, I’m just stipulating a difference I agree with the essence of what you say in terms of the movement of support around swinging and also agree that the support would be limited. I don’t believe there would be any element of public support to protect swinging as the general public (non swingers) will never accept and support swinging in the same fashion as a religious belief, a disability, a sexual preference or a race. Agreed that not everyone here identifies as a swinger. There is a mix of swingers and people using fab as a means to getting (or attempting to get) a number of notches on the bed post but that will never change, fab is what it is | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" There's no fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. Just that certain people with certain lifestyle choices put in the required effort to get it termed a protected characteristic. Unfortunately, swingers won't do that because most this site don't even identify as swingers to start with. There is a fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. If someone is a racist, a homophobe or victimises someone for another protected characteristic eg religion or disability then this is not only socially unacceptable but there are also protective measures put in place (for good reason) eg laws, policies and procedures to protect individuals or groups. A lifestyle choice has no protection. You either stand up for yourself and/or go through whatever route you have for dealing with bullies, which doesn’t give you the same level of support as a protected characteristic through the same process of procedure and doesn’t give you the support of that social/moral/ethical buffer because the general public don’t see it as wrong to victimise someone for their lifestyle choice. I want to be clear, I’m not slating or undermining protected characteristics by any means, I’m just stipulating a difference I agree with the essence of what you say in terms of the movement of support around swinging and also agree that the support would be limited. I don’t believe there would be any element of public support to protect swinging as the general public (non swingers) will never accept and support swinging in the same fashion as a religious belief, a disability, a sexual preference or a race. Agreed that not everyone here identifies as a swinger. There is a mix of swingers and people using fab as a means to getting (or attempting to get) a number of notches on the bed post but that will never change, fab is what it is " Pretty much every protected characteristic was once scorned by a mass of society. The only way it changed was that those people organised themselves politically and demanded rights. It didn't happen because of any great enlightenment on behalf of the population. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" There's no fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. Just that certain people with certain lifestyle choices put in the required effort to get it termed a protected characteristic. Unfortunately, swingers won't do that because most this site don't even identify as swingers to start with. There is a fundamental difference between a lifestyle choice and a protected characteristic. If someone is a racist, a homophobe or victimises someone for another protected characteristic eg religion or disability then this is not only socially unacceptable but there are also protective measures put in place (for good reason) eg laws, policies and procedures to protect individuals or groups. A lifestyle choice has no protection. You either stand up for yourself and/or go through whatever route you have for dealing with bullies, which doesn’t give you the same level of support as a protected characteristic through the same process of procedure and doesn’t give you the support of that social/moral/ethical buffer because the general public don’t see it as wrong to victimise someone for their lifestyle choice. I want to be clear, I’m not slating or undermining protected characteristics by any means, I’m just stipulating a difference I agree with the essence of what you say in terms of the movement of support around swinging and also agree that the support would be limited. I don’t believe there would be any element of public support to protect swinging as the general public (non swingers) will never accept and support swinging in the same fashion as a religious belief, a disability, a sexual preference or a race. Agreed that not everyone here identifies as a swinger. There is a mix of swingers and people using fab as a means to getting (or attempting to get) a number of notches on the bed post but that will never change, fab is what it is Pretty much every protected characteristic was once scorned by a mass of society. The only way it changed was that those people organised themselves politically and demanded rights. It didn't happen because of any great enlightenment on behalf of the population. " Anyone fancy getting political?  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’ve never felt the need to divulge the details of my sex life at work; it really doesn’t reflect or impact upon my professional capabilities. As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of Fabs
That's just not true sorry, i can't go into details but your analysis is too narrow. You're not really thinking about the range of jobs people do and codes of conduct they might have to sign up to and things you may have to disclose at various points. Sure your analysis would hold for losing a shelf stacking job at tesco, but there are plenty it wouldn't."I think to put another angle on this ,i Have worked for the police and local authority ,if we met a couple and then we knew them from work ,it could put you in a compromising position.....We agree that Bringing the company into disrepute could be done in so many different ways | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of fabs" Absolutely I agree this I a ridiculous notion however the majority of companies have a social media policy which have zero tolerance. Fab comes under the banner of social media. Most organisations would only pursue activities which had a direct link to the organisation I.e if your social media referenced the employer eg if you listed where you worked on your Facebook page. Times have now changed, employers can and do dismiss even where there is no direct link to their organisation. You are often seen as an ambassador of your employer on many fronts, whether in person (e.g d*unk and disorderly behaviour) or online. The key factor in disrepute is the reputation of the employer. If your behaviour is deemed to undermine that and the values of the employer, bringing embarrassment onto the employer then you have very little defence against that. It’s also worth noting the recent changes to the ET system mean that you have to pay a significant fee to take your (former) employer to tribunal, which deters most and often makes employers more likely to take a risk knowing that people won’t stump up the cash to take them to ET. Most policies are quite explicit clear and both well managed and consistently enforced so unfortunately your chances at ET are probably very slim should you have a spare £1500 to take them to ET. Having worked in many a large organisation and seeing many an employee dismissed for a variety of actions on social media, I act with an educated caution and do my upmost to maintain absolute discretion My advice is to know you employers social media policy, understand their discipline procedures, gauge the precedent from any recent cases with your employer (if you are privy to any detail) and ultimately protect yourself by keeping your online business discreet and your swinging behind closed doors. Hiding your face from public photos does help to break that link between you and your profile. Bringing this back to the original point, no having a photo of you naked (with or without the company uniform or logo or premises in sight) on a fab profile would not undermine your ability to undertake checkout duties in your local supermarket, however the local media would have a field day publishing a story related to the organisation and fab, after that publication, I wouldn’t fancy your chances of returning to the check out for your next shift Just to be clear, I’ve got nothing against checkout workers or supermarkets | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of fabs Absolutely I agree this I a ridiculous notion however the majority of companies have a social media policy which have zero tolerance. Fab comes under the banner of social media. Most organisations would only pursue activities which had a direct link to the organisation I.e if your social media referenced the employer eg if you listed where you worked on your Facebook page. Times have now changed, employers can and do dismiss even where there is no direct link to their organisation. You are often seen as an ambassador of your employer on many fronts, whether in person (e.g d*unk and disorderly behaviour) or online. The key factor in disrepute is the reputation of the employer. If your behaviour is deemed to undermine that and the values of the employer, bringing embarrassment onto the employer then you have very little defence against that. It’s also worth noting the recent changes to the ET system mean that you have to pay a significant fee to take your (former) employer to tribunal, which deters most and often makes employers more likely to take a risk knowing that people won’t stump up the cash to take them to ET. Most policies are quite explicit clear and both well managed and consistently enforced so unfortunately your chances at ET are probably very slim should you have a spare £1500 to take them to ET. Having worked in many a large organisation and seeing many an employee dismissed for a variety of actions on social media, I act with an educated caution and do my upmost to maintain absolute discretion My advice is to know you employers social media policy, understand their discipline procedures, gauge the precedent from any recent cases with your employer (if you are privy to any detail) and ultimately protect yourself by keeping your online business discreet and your swinging behind closed doors. Hiding your face from public photos does help to break that link between you and your profile. Bringing this back to the original point, no having a photo of you naked (with or without the company uniform or logo or premises in sight) on a fab profile would not undermine your ability to undertake checkout duties in your local supermarket, however the local media would have a field day publishing a story related to the organisation and fab, after that publication, I wouldn’t fancy your chances of returning to the check out for your next shift Just to be clear, I’ve got nothing against checkout workers or supermarkets " It's not all about bringing the company into dispute though, that's where you arguement breaks down. Not to mention that other people explained they weren't fired, they were just bullied to fuck. It's easy to say "oh that's not legal, sue them" - but it still happens | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" It's not all about bringing the company into dispute though, that's where you arguement breaks down. Not to mention that other people explained they weren't fired, they were just bullied to fuck. It's easy to say "oh that's not legal, sue them" - but it still happens" Agreed. I was simply referencing another point made in the threads. Hopefully the public perception of swinging will change with time | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As for the ridiculous notion that you could be fired for bringing the company into disrepute, any tribunal would struggle to uphold that short of if you advertise the company premises as some sort of sex venue or inconvenience the running of business by having random people turn up to engage in swinging related activity or similar. So just don’t go whizzing your foof out for the camera in company branded work wear, over the cash register or something; even if it did set a new world record for number of fabs Absolutely I agree this I a ridiculous notion however the majority of companies have a social media policy which have zero tolerance. Fab comes under the banner of social media. Most organisations would only pursue activities which had a direct link to the organisation I.e if your social media referenced the employer eg if you listed where you worked on your Facebook page. Times have now changed, employers can and do dismiss even where there is no direct link to their organisation. You are often seen as an ambassador of your employer on many fronts, whether in person (e.g d*unk and disorderly behaviour) or online. The key factor in disrepute is the reputation of the employer. If your behaviour is deemed to undermine that and the values of the employer, bringing embarrassment onto the employer then you have very little defence against that. It’s also worth noting the recent changes to the ET system mean that you have to pay a significant fee to take your (former) employer to tribunal, which deters most and often makes employers more likely to take a risk knowing that people won’t stump up the cash to take them to ET. Most policies are quite explicit clear and both well managed and consistently enforced so unfortunately your chances at ET are probably very slim should you have a spare £1500 to take them to ET. Having worked in many a large organisation and seeing many an employee dismissed for a variety of actions on social media, I act with an educated caution and do my upmost to maintain absolute discretion My advice is to know you employers social media policy, understand their discipline procedures, gauge the precedent from any recent cases with your employer (if you are privy to any detail) and ultimately protect yourself by keeping your online business discreet and your swinging behind closed doors. Hiding your face from public photos does help to break that link between you and your profile. Bringing this back to the original point, no having a photo of you naked (with or without the company uniform or logo or premises in sight) on a fab profile would not undermine your ability to undertake checkout duties in your local supermarket, however the local media would have a field day publishing a story related to the organisation and fab, after that publication, I wouldn’t fancy your chances of returning to the check out for your next shift Just to be clear, I’ve got nothing against checkout workers or supermarkets " Actually Tribunal fees were abolished late last year after the Supreme Court ruled they were preventing access to justice and therefore indirectly discriminatory. The rules are still the same, any company would have to prove that you were tarnishing their company name which would be very hard to prove, the only thing which would stop somebody taking it to tribunal now would be the fact that they would have to openly admit they were swingers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"As a single woman I keep my sexual preferences private, only a few of my closest friends know. Swinging couples tend to get sneered at by people who don't understand it, they think we're all a bunch of perverts, and it's even worse for single women... I mean, heaven forbid we actually *enjoy* sex .
I don't need to be gossiped about and judged, so I won't be "coming out" any time soon. It's ridiculous because I know I'm doing nothing wrong, it's perfectly normal to enjoy sex and it's nobody's business if I choose to sleep with just one person or 500, but small minded people get their knickers in a twist about sex and I can't change that. "amen sista! I think If I was to tell friends or colleagues they would completely judge me and there would be a lot of snide gossip. I’m new to the scene but I’m learning that actually keeping it secret kinda makes it more exciting. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
)? Or god forbid, kissing in a car?
I mean, we’re British. No one would actually say anything to me. They’d just viciously judge me and talk behind my back about what a terrible person I was and how I was cheating on that poor man I actually adore.
So I act as though it’s the most normal thing in the world, bright and breezy with a laugh and a joke. I work in the public sector. I have disrepute clauses in my contract. Guess what? No one says a damn thing except to ask questions sometimes, which I have no issue with.
True, my other half and I are more open relationship than ‘true’ swingers, though we’re also open to the idea of playing together too...but it’s all much of a muchness.
I sometimes think you have to internally accept that society’s view of non-conformative relationships is right to get upset about what other people think about it. I’ve never had a negative reaction, not once. Quizzical, sure, but never negative...perhaps because I don’t feel shame and it shows.
But then, I may have just been very lucky where I work! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Everyone knows in my life, from my work colleagues to my mother. Why did I tell them? In actuality, to avoid being judged. At the end of the day, I don’t go to clubs, I meet a man or men in bars for socials, flirt and occasionally go back to a hotel or house with them. In the same places that my colleagues, friends and family go out. I got spotted last weekend walking back from my weekly shop by a work colleague....imagine if I had been spotted with a gentleman not my other half, his arm round my waist (a little too low for decency )? Or god forbid, kissing in a car?
I mean, we’re British. No one would actually say anything to me. They’d just viciously judge me and talk behind my back about what a terrible person I was and how I was cheating on that poor man I actually adore.
So I act as though it’s the most normal thing in the world, bright and breezy with a laugh and a joke. I work in the public sector. I have disrepute clauses in my contract. Guess what? No one says a damn thing except to ask questions sometimes, which I have no issue with.
True, my other half and I are more open relationship than ‘true’ swingers, though we’re also open to the idea of playing together too...but it’s all much of a muchness.
I sometimes think you have to internally accept that society’s view of non-conformative relationships is right to get upset about what other people think about it. I’ve never had a negative reaction, not once. Quizzical, sure, but never negative...perhaps because I don’t feel shame and it shows.
But then, I may have just been very lucky where I work!"that's a great insight I'm much the same although I don't have a partner and I see your point about teachers and parents but I've met 3 head teachers doing this  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"lost my job with the council after 16 yrs of loyal service. Swinger playmate got the arse and reported me in. Long investigation, but it was made clear I should leave" you're kidding damn | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"lost my job with the council after 16 yrs of loyal service. Swinger playmate got the arse and reported me in. Long investigation, but it was made clear I should leave" I said this in another thread people get upset and you can't predict what they will do | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's funny how people keep blaming religion, Britain is the 8th least religious country in the world. Only 27% of british people even consider religion "important" let alone allow it to dictate their sex lives or views of other peoples sex lives. Homosexuality and transexuals are also considered sinful in just about every major religion. So why are those accepted by the mainstream, but swinging isn't. Clearly not because any church is mass influencing the British public
Many might think so, but most people still have that background idea fed by established religion that sex is sinful unless within marriage. We are Pagans and sex is considered natural and there to be enjoyed for fun as well as commitment. Some Pagans even use sex in their rituals and nudity is fairly common. We actually met and had our first sex at a Pagan camping event where nudity was the norm.
But what is the implication of what you are saying? Do you know what % of people are virgins when they get married? The Catholic Church bans all contraception and yet the birth rate in Italy is lower than the UK..."thats because, they prefer it up the backside lol | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"lost my job with the council after 16 yrs of loyal service. Swinger playmate got the arse and reported me in. Long investigation, but it was made clear I should leave" Worked for the council for six years and was fully open about it from the get go - everyone knew from my colleagues all the way up to the councillors and senior leadership. Whereas a friend of mine got d*unk and hit a housemate - and was fired for bringing the council into disrepute (as the housemate pressed charges). You just never know how these things will go. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"lost my job with the council after 16 yrs of loyal service. Swinger playmate got the arse and reported me in. Long investigation, but it was made clear I should leave Worked for the council for six years and was fully open about it from the get go - everyone knew from my colleagues all the way up to the councillors and senior leadership. Whereas a friend of mine got d*unk and hit a housemate - and was fired for bringing the council into disrepute (as the housemate pressed charges). You just never know how these things will go." its all if your face fits | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It won't be taboo for much longer.. Why? It's getting more and more mainstream. There were around 8 or 9,000 on here at peak times (weekend evenings) at the start of the decade. On a weeknight now there's several times that amount. It's still in the far minority but growing very rapidly. I've even heard it predicted that almost half of the population will be swingers in one form or another by 2050. Most of that number is single people between relationships. Not swingers. Even if single people between relationships accounted completely for the huge jump in site members in the past decade then that's a huhely increased amount coming into contact with conventional swingers and having myths debunked for them. Swinging will be seen as merely a "relationship choice" in 30 years time, the way that same sex marriages are becoming now. I don't think so. No 6 year old will ever understand or be proud of how their mum likes to get fucked by multiple partners while their dad sits in the corner wearing a ball gag with his cock in a cage. Of course a 6 year old wouldn't. But the point is less relevant when you consider that no 6 year old now will understand or be proud of what their parents get up to in their "conventional" sex lives when they've gone to bed. No one in their right mind would tell their children of this age what they do together sexually now, why would this change just because they're into swinging? Exactly. We don't tell the world or our families what we get up to in our bedrooms, so why would we tell the world and our families that we're swingers! I do it because I like to make people laugh, I like to shock and I like to engage in deep conversation. Yet I have the intelligence to keep it from my children. However... If I tell someone who is so immature, pedantic and stupid to let this spill out in a way that my children would find out. I'd simply tell them I have lots of friends who are women. There's nothing wrong with that. It's something I encourage them to do themselves. If they were at an age to understand what "Swinging" Entailed.. then they're old enough to have that discussion.. IF THEY want to have it. You choose your way, I choose mine. I don't expect others to live as I do, nobody should. So we agree. It will always be taboo. As i thought. " It will always be kept private from children. Yet amongst adults it will be far less so. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It'll always be taboo because you're making a statement that says "we do not stay faithful to each other" to society, family and friends. No matter how you feel about it within your own relationship. " In the 1950s would many have made a statement that they were in a gay relationship to society, family and friends? I'll wager not, the proportion that actually broadcast it to all of these may have been similar to the proportion that broadcast themselves being swingers now... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It'll always be taboo because you're making a statement that says "we do not stay faithful to each other" to society, family and friends. No matter how you feel about it within your own relationship. In the 1950s would many have made a statement that they were in a gay relationship to society, family and friends? I'll wager not, the proportion that actually broadcast it to all of these may have been similar to the proportion that broadcast themselves being swingers now..." Difference is in the 50's it was illegal to be openly homosexual. And being homosexual does not mean that you're incapable of having a monogamous relationship. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
