FabSwingers.com forum: Equal Rules?

By *ickens Cider OP Man
over a year ago

taunton

No doubt it been posted about before?

But... in these days of all things being equal... why do guys have to pay more than women at a club?

Has anyone been brave enough to question it legally? Or muted the point with trading standards? I'm sure there must be rules somewhere that are being over looked? But not really inforced because of the nature of the activity involved maybe?

Sorry its only an honest question? And fair is fair after all? And yes... the clubs want to atract women... but at some they even get the option on a loyality card (visit on 4 occasions and the 5th is free?!) but this isn't offered to the guys... I asked!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Ok, lets say a guy pays and extra ten pound to get into a club

Women/couples have to pay for babysitters, outfits for women, possibly hair does ect ect

So personally i think guys have an easy time of it. Oh and if guys dont like the fact they pay a little bit extra there not under any obligation to go

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Oh and last time i went to a normal night club guys had to pay and in some clubs needed to be with a female. Used to work out great cause we would escort the guys in and they would pay and once inside go our separate ways so its not just a swingers thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok, lets say a guy pays and extra ten pound to get into a club

Women/couples have to pay for babysitters, outfits for women, possibly hair does ect ect

So personally i think guys have an easy time of it. Oh and if guys dont like the fact they pay a little bit extra there not under any obligation to go"

The 1980's called and want your post back...... Sorry that was a little facetious, however, many of the guys I know are the ones bringing up kids, cost of babysitter.... Male grooming products are just as expensive as ladies. As for outfits, thats a ladies choice, right? If she wants to wear "the kit" then thats to "attract" people.

As for why guys pay more? Who knows, if guys' pay it they will charge it, simple economics

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree with the opening post, I think it's a clear and blatant example of sex discrimination.

It makes no odds what extra outside expenses a couple may have, who is to say the single chap is not a single dad and has had identical baby sitter expenses to refer to the example quoted.

It is of no concern, I would be curious as to the outcome of a legal challange

Hansard November 2011, Mr.Swinging-Perve -v- Shagorama Singers club ltd.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Ok, lets say a guy pays and extra ten pound to get into a club

Women/couples have to pay for babysitters, outfits for women, possibly hair does ect ect

So personally i think guys have an easy time of it. Oh and if guys dont like the fact they pay a little bit extra there not under any obligation to go

As for why guys pay more? Who knows, if guys' pay it they will charge it, simple economics"

I know guys bring up kids opn there own my ex husband brought up three. But im only going on personal experience.

But i bet the average women spend more on grooming than the average men.

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By *ola cubesMan
over a year ago

coatbridge

has been abolished in night clubs same fee for each sex as there has been a test case and found to be sexual discrimination if no one will open a case it continues and adult clubs know this.

its up to yourself if you are happy paying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok, lets say a guy pays and extra ten pound to get into a club

Women/couples have to pay for babysitters, outfits for women, possibly hair does ect ect

So personally i think guys have an easy time of it. Oh and if guys dont like the fact they pay a little bit extra there not under any obligation to go

As for why guys pay more? Who knows, if guys' pay it they will charge it, simple economics

I know guys bring up kids opn there own my ex husband brought up three. But im only going on personal experience.

But i bet the average women spend more on grooming than the average men. "

no idea what this has to do with anything in relation to meets, or clubs. if i wear expensive designer pants does that mean i can ask for a lesser share for the cost of the meet- hotel or drinks etc?

simple answer to me, if men contunue to pay then the pricing structure will continue. if not, then clubs will be forced to re_iew their pricing policies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Once again I will say "What has that go to do with the price of admission ?"

It's 2011, everyone should be treated equally regardless of their genitalia.

A club would be quite within it's right to have an admissions policy which said x amount of couples, x amount of females, x amount of men, just as they are entitled to have a dress code, but to charge men more than women is just pure sexism.

I have had many a garage try to charge me more than they would a man for identical work, Am I wrong when I say : " Just because I have tits do you think I don't know what a brake caliper is" or should garages charge less more than women because the average man spends more on purchasing a car than a man ??

Timing belt change Man £ 150

Woman £ 225

see the law suits ensue

Why is this any different ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because the men will pay it is the simple answer.. Is it discrimination..

Oh yes.. but life is rarely fair..

But us women dont get it all our own way... There are plenty of double standards in the swinging world..

Single men that want to play with the greedy girls.. but wouldnt want to be the husband/boyfriend of one as they are easy etc..

I think someone will eventually challenge it and I think to be fair it will just cause most clubs to fail.. as what will happen is couples and single ladies fees will go up to compensate for the lost revenue..

To be fair with what it costs to hire a girl for half hour, I dont think most club costs are that high.

Although of course at a swingers club its not 100% promised that you will get anything.

Btw. I had alfa garage try the trick me because I am a woman.. They shut up and apologised when they realised I knew my engines.

Cali x

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

Cos without the women it would be a gay sauna not a swinging club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Someone will challenge it one day and most likely win, clubs will then change their business model.

Part of being in business is having to change and adapt to changes in the law, regulations and Market conditions.

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By *etillanteWoman
over a year ago

I go to clubs with a friend as a couple during the day. Quite often during that time I am the only female in the club. I don't get hassled as I am with someone, but we play the, 'how many guys can we traipse round the club' game. Hoping to put them off following us.

I don't know how often guys go during the day and there are no females in. But that is their decision and whilst they pay that amount of money clubs will charge it.

But tbh if they dropped the amount would more guys go in and come out even more dissapointed, because of the lack of females.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hansard November 2011, Mr.Swinging-Perve -v- Shagorama Singers club ltd.

That made me giggle...thank you.

Clubs will charge what they like...as long as men continue to pay it. I don't think it holds up that women have extra accruetrements so need to pay less.

It does seem unfair, however no one is dragging these men off the street by their balls to attend though, are they?

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By *ENDAROOSCouple
over a year ago

South West London / Surrey

Agree that entrance prices should be the same for everyone.

We actually know of one that charges couples more than single guys & ladies.

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By *ittlemorespiceCouple
over a year ago

North Cornwall

Good grief. Its business!! Because they can!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Some clubs are already complying with the law, and state that they are doing this. Others are still breaking the law, and we, as consumers - in these tough financial times - are somewhat able to shop around. (Albeit, we may be miles further from a club that's complying).

I've lived as a woman for years, but one club - I won't name it - says they'll check to see what's in my panties, to determine the price. This is likely to be 1. illegal (price differential) and 2. illegal from the point of harassment/discrimination too.

Thankfully, I am never averse to putting right some of the wrongs in this world, so some places had better watch out. I am not embarrassed about becoming a full woman - I don't hide this, and I'm not embarrassed about swinging either: it's my right.

I suggest that if more of us let clubs know that their approach is a turn-off etc, and that they could be losing custom, then they will become more responsive.

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By *peedypeteMan
over a year ago

derby

We all know men get ripped off on club admissions, but the reason is obvious, there are more men than women. If as many single women went swinging as men do, then we would have a fair argument.Women are in most demand, folowed by couples and then men.

I don't liek it either but nithign we can do about it.

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By *ickens Cider OP Man
over a year ago

taunton

I just think it should be one fee for all and the clubs do self regulate the numbers to keep the ratios right from my understand... so that's business management process a bit of house keeping the club owners are expected to do? To keep their club interesting and vibrant... like any venue you can book in advance you'll not be allowed into a sold out west end theatre show just because you turn up on the night?

Yes Clubs have expenses... people have expenses... so based on some people thoughts am I entitled to a discount because I choose to travel 80 miles and cost of fuel... etc and the club should be grateful for my custom? Again no!

I honestly would love to go to clubs more often... become a regular... get to know other regulars... and therefore the experience become all the more fun for all and everybody... the clubs would see more trade... possible expand? therefore more room to cater for the demands? maybe? maybe not?

Whats his name J.Sainsburys isn'tstill stuck in a corner shop anymore after all?

£30 last night and I enjoyed myself... nice people in the club all very friend and a nice vibe... but if it was a little bet less I'd be back next month for sure... I'd have spare cash in my pocket to buy some drinks (so the club still get money from me) they need to re_iew things a little bit charge less... be popular... be bold in be different... and I'm sure the "business" for the owner would be more rewarding and vibrant for those owners... as I get the impression many clubs are kind of hobby businesses really... The Clubs need a Steve Jobs type character and be bold... ans sell us all something we really didn't know we wanted until we tried it... Lets hope somebody might think outside the box soon?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just think it should be one fee for all and the clubs do self regulate the numbers to keep the ratios right from my understand... so that's business management process a bit of house keeping the club owners are expected to do? To keep their club interesting and vibrant... like any venue you can book in advance you'll not be allowed into a sold out west end theatre show just because you turn up on the night?

Whats his name J.Sainsburys isn'tstill stuck in a corner shop anymore after all?

You have an obvious and founded gripe. However, do you question the clubs or do you "happily" pay your money then come and vent in here?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No doubt it been posted about before?

But... in these days of all things being equal... why do guys have to pay more than women at a club?

Capitalism and the laws of supply and demand.

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By *ickens Cider OP Man
over a year ago

taunton

"You have an obvious and founded gripe. However, do you question the clubs or do you "happily" pay your money then come and vent in here?"

I have no real gripe and I don't think I'm venting in here really? I've just raised a point about equal rights which is law in so so many elements in todays life but equally unequal on occasions?

one example being Like pay for like work... if a woman found out shes doing the same work as a male collegue thenthere are loads or rules and rights she can call into action because she is female... but the law has been over looked if a male collegue found another male co-workingbeing paid differently for like for like work there aren't rules as such and the legal support for the male in question?

Its just a topic... I personally would love to be charged the same as everybody as the same club... if its £10, £20, £30 or £40 or whatever... a flat rate fee for all is all i would like to see... If i could regularly go to a club for say £15? then I would regularly go and enjoy myself... £30 I'm goint to go as a special treat to myself once in a blue moon... the knock on effect is your out of the loop... your not a regular... the evening is still fun but a little bit harder or less rewarding... its harder to be part of the scene in effect? is that not afair comment?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is discrimation and somebody could probably make a quick buck out of any club implementing it ! Limiting numbers is fine but a charge based purely sex is actually illegal currently! £££££

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No doubt it been posted about before?

But... in these days of all things being equal... why do guys have to pay more than women at a club?

Capitalism and the laws of supply and demand."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think tease is one of the few clubs I know where the guys don't have to be members or be on a waiting list but they do have to ring a head and book as the club limits single guys to a max of 50. Most nights apart from Saturdays when its strictly couples only

Now on to clubs the entrance and membership fees are what keep the clubs going and allows them to make a profit. Chameleons £5 for the ladies and £35 for single guys does seem unfair. But then again I think it is still great value a lot better than going into town paying to get into nightclubs and buying rounds of drinks, taxis etc and much more chilled and a lot more fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Are there any clubs that are teeming with single women? No.

Would making them pay more to match the male price encourage that number to increase? NO!!!

Are there clubs that are teeming with single men? Yes.

Are people complaining that there are too many single men in them? Yes.

Would making them pay less to match the female price reduce this number? NO!

Are there lots of single men paying the entry fee as it is currently?

Yes.

Single guy numbers cant increase in clubs according to a lot of the posts on here, so if they reduce single men entry fee without increasing the amount they allow in, how are the clubs going to stay open?

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"No doubt it been posted about before?

But... in these days of all things being equal... why do guys have to pay more than women at a club?

Capitalism and the laws of supply and demand.

+1"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are there any clubs that are teeming with single women? No.

Would making them pay more to match the male price encourage that number to increase? NO!!!

Are there clubs that are teeming with single men? Yes.

Are people complaining that there are too many single men in them? Yes.

Would making them pay less to match the female price reduce this number? NO!

Are there lots of single men paying the entry fee as it is currently?

Yes.

I agree but it does not counter the point that it's discrimination

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

1st rule in business.....The bottom line.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham

"Are there any clubs that are teeming with single women? No.

Would making them pay more to match the male price encourage that number to increase? NO!!!

Are there clubs that are teeming with single men? Yes.

Are people complaining that there are too many single men in them? Yes.

Would making them pay less to match the female price reduce this number? NO!

Are there lots of single men paying the entry fee as it is currently?

Yes.

I agree but it does not counter the point that it's discrimination"

So either dont use clubs as a moral decision or start a class action law suit

Personally i save my social injustice outrage for causes other than straight men getting a fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally, I would let all the single men in for free!! I would have such a good night!!! haha, might not work for the clubs financial situation though!!

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By *ouplefunukCouple
over a year ago

North Bristol

" I've just raised a point about equal rights which is law in so so many elements in todays life but equally unequal on occasions?

This is incorrect. First of all your comparison is out of kilter as a m/f divide is discrimination whereas a m/m or even a f/f difference is not - it's purely performance related (or some such). The rules around sexual discrimination in the workplace are clear and cover both sexes not just one sex. If a male was being paid less than a female for the same work, he too would be able to call in the 'legal support' as you put it.

On to the OP, yep you're right, it's discrimination. However, I cannot wait to read your posts if they change it. Moaning that there are only single men in the clubs and no women and couples as that is what will happen when the numbers of single men aren't controlled.

*Her*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You've lost me here as the same argument would be applicable if a female worker was being paid differently to a female co-worker for like for like work.

Dont understand what your point is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The way the clubs get around the difference in prices for male female and couples is.

The male pays the correct entry fee and females and couples pay 'discounted' fees, obviously as there is a greater need for females they get a larger 'discount' It's not fair but it's legal.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

As a business why would you reduce the price (and thus your profile) for the customer group you have no shortage of?

No business would want to really would they.... same overheads and running costs but choose to have a lower return?

So to bring entry fees more into line of the one fee for all, you would need to increase the entry fee for women.... a lot.

As a business what impact do you think that would have?

Would that benefit the men?

Would it benefit the couples... who now have to pay a bit more too?

It may not be fair, but it works (for now).

You could try complaining and get the changes forced upon the club.... but for some clubs it may mean you have no club left to go to.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

* (and thus your PROFIT) .... oops

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By *rs WhiteCouple
over a year ago

South

Couples are the honey that attracts the bees.

Clubs have to do all they can to get the ladies in, or they dont have a business.

I think the guys get off light.

what about the chat lines, dating agencies,where women are often free.

legal, doubt it. but it's the way it is.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

dating agencies,where women are often free.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

dating agencies,where women are often free.

Can I have one to do the cleaning?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No doubt it been posted about before?

But... in these days of all things being equal... why do guys have to pay more than women at a club?

Life's not fair. Get over it.

There are hundreds of reasons why this "unfairness" exists buit bearing in mind that there are less than a handful of Clubs in this country that are recognised in law anyway - trying to get them to invest to improve and change is pointless. Why do you think Clubs in this country (with few exceptions) are really seedy and grotty? Because at the whim of a local magistrate or irritated Police Officer - they can be closed down anyway.

As was also mentioned, read the re_iews about marauding single men in Clubs and other re_iews by single men of a "lack of action" and you might understand why it would be pointless to either reduce the price for guys or increase it for couples/women - the effect would be the same lots of singler guys with hard ons resorting to bi experimentation!!!!

In accordance with the laws of unintended consequences - you should be careful what you wish for.

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