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"lets be honest , you cant judge by a profile or CV and a few pics ... it really i a few second initial judgement. bit like , .......say your a regular in a pub , the barmaid or man you dont particularly like the look of , then , guess what , after a few visits you start to say , do you know what , he/she is quite nice actually. we shouldnt judge a book by its cover but we do. hence the big winners on here are the ones that pose/ photograph really well. " i get that but finding someone attractive is usually instant? | |||
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" Take a hypothetical example, if a 65 year old 20 stone bloke asks why he is not getting meets with women, the reason is pretty much certainly because the vast majority of women do not find 65 year old 20 stone men attractive. " Narrow mindedness is another good example  | |||
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"No because it isn't honesty as in fact, its honesty as in opinion." Absolutely.  | |||
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"sometimes its easier to not say what we all feel to spare peoples feelings. like a 70 year old looking for a 18 year old, when we all know he has more chance than winning 6 numbers in the lottery but we seem to brush over that " Most people I see on TV winning the Lottery 'are' over 70! And now they do have an 18 year old on their arm!  | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. " I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? " Noooo! What if his 65 year old 20stone soul mate/fwb is on here! | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? Noooo! What if his 65 year old 20stone soul mate/fwb is on here! " Beat me to it!! I hear what you're saying OP and sure the chances for some may be slimmer than others but there is ALWAYS a chance for everyone - unless of course the person is being completely unrealistic in their expectations (such as 70 year old looking to meet an 18 year old) in which case I'd focus on pointing out it's very unlikely or their chances are going to be slim, rather than writing them off completely. Everyone has a right to be here and so long as their expectations are realistic who's to say they have no chance? | |||
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" I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? " Funny thing is - a 40 year in a club said to me last weekend 'I hope there are no 50 year olds in tonight'. She was talking about you!  | |||
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"If you watched the tonight programme last night, it was established that people may perceive people as more attractive if they like their personality. No doubt I will be told that people don't fuck personalities. Giving someone a verbal kicking because you don't find them attactive is a little unneccesary as the person in question no doubt beats themselves up for their appearance. It does no harm to be nice and let people down gently. " It's frowned upon to judge people on their physical appearance, so when asked most people will say personality is more important. However, when it comes to casual sex, I think it's blindingly obvious most people judge primarily on physical appearance. Have a look at the photos that get fabbed on here and note the absence of elderly and overweight people. It's not about giving someone a " verbal kicking" if the 65 year old 20 stone bloke messaged us, we just wouldn't reply. We wouldn't say how unattractive he was. I am talking about where people post threads specifically asking why they can't get meets. I really can't be doing with putting about illusions just to be nice. Everyone knows that the vast majority of women would rather have sex with the toned 35 year old as opposed to the overweight 65 year old, so why pretend otherwise? | |||
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"There are people who with multiple meets that we wouldn't ever consider. There are plenty of people here who wouldn't consider us . The only advice I would even consider is don't sound desperate. That's so so unattractive " Exactly. Nobody is going to meet a desperate person - puts them in a box right away. | |||
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" I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? Funny thing is - a 40 year in a club said to me last weekend 'I hope there are no 50 year olds in tonight'. She was talking about you! "Yep, I am not under any illusion that most women on here would consider me too old. I started swinging when I was around 35 and my pulling ability has declined with age. I am puzzled why you think that would be news to me. | |||
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" I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? Funny thing is - a 40 year in a club said to me last weekend 'I hope there are no 50 year olds in tonight'. She was talking about you!
Yep, I am not under any illusion that most women on here would consider me too old. I started swinging when I was around 35 and my pulling ability has declined with age.
I am puzzled why you think that would be news to me. "Did I write that I thought you were puzzled by it? errrr No.  | |||
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"compleatly agree with the post above. its Not brutal honesty that people need but constructive observation and advice. the 20 stone 65 year old could have a heart of dimond and an equally hard Dick. but hides his light under a bucket. tell them to take off the bucket not that they are ugly. The Kamesutra actually makes reference to this very point. If it was good enough advice then it most likely holds good now. Beauty is a mith a cultural construct an oppinion a preference a desire a hormone ballance. A more obvious issue is if the person bad talks people disrespects people (including themselves) has a bad attitude towards Woman and others are Rude obnoxious or arrogent. that is where a more brutal honesty is needed." He could have a heart of diamond and a very hard dick, but that doesn't alter the fact that on a site where men outnumber women 17 to 1 his chances are virtually zero. | |||
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" I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? Funny thing is - a 40 year in a club said to me last weekend 'I hope there are no 50 year olds in tonight'. She was talking about you!
Yep, I am not under any illusion that most women on here would consider me too old. I started swinging when I was around 35 and my pulling ability has declined with age.
I am puzzled why you think that would be news to me.
Did I write that I thought you were puzzled by it? errrr No. "Your tone did seem to suggest that telling me a 40 year old might not fancy a 50 year old would come as a revelation. It doesn't. I am not being personal about this. I know I am significantly less attractive than many men on here. We do alright because we are a couple who like to meet single men, hence the demographics work in our favour. | |||
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"Someone attractive can be ugly by there attitude and nature .I do think personality shines through and keeps you interested in someone .But i do think there has to be a attraction there you like "We know that attractive people can be ugly. Funnily enough we’ve been impliedly called such on this forum. However- on this site I’d argue it’s looks first, personality later. And if the first impact someone has is their “woe is me” post, then that doesn’t start off very well, does it? | |||
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"I have seen a few threads where people have asked why they don't get meets and the truth is blatantly obvious but very personal, that for various reasons most people will not find them attractive. Would you be honest with such people? " I would be honest and tell them if they were not for me but I would not necessarily give them a virtual kicking. I suppose there is somebody for everyone out there (alot may have to pay for it tho) Having realistic expectations of your own worth helps but in all honesty there has to be a physical attraction for people to stand a chance. | |||
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" I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? Funny thing is - a 40 year in a club said to me last weekend 'I hope there are no 50 year olds in tonight'. She was talking about you!
Yep, I am not under any illusion that most women on here would consider me too old. I started swinging when I was around 35 and my pulling ability has declined with age.
I am puzzled why you think that would be news to me.
Did I write that I thought you were puzzled by it? errrr No.
Your tone did seem to suggest that telling me a 40 year old might not fancy a 50 year old would come as a revelation. It doesn't.
I am not being personal about this. I know I am significantly less attractive than many men on here. We do alright because we are a couple who like to meet single men, hence the demographics work in our favour. "It is impossible to tell a 'tone' from a written text. I was pointing out a fact as I experienced it - I included you in that fact because you are over 50 - kind of centers your thinking to realise that labels just don't really help anyone, and even less so, those hypothetical ones. There is no such thing as a truth in this context. People like and dislike people for all kinds of reasons. Prejudging by the hanging of a label does everyone a dis-service, more so those who are inclined to read them first. | |||
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"Someone attractive can be ugly by there attitude and nature .I do think personality shines through and keeps you interested in someone .But i do think there has to be a attraction there you like
We know that attractive people can be ugly. Funnily enough we’ve been impliedly called such on this forum. However- on this site I’d argue it’s looks first, personality later. And if the first impact someone has is their “woe is me” post, then that doesn’t start off very well, does it?"I no exactly what you mean | |||
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"No of course not. I may not find someone attractive,but the next person may. " Totally agree x | |||
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" I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? Funny thing is - a 40 year in a club said to me last weekend 'I hope there are no 50 year olds in tonight'. She was talking about you!
Yep, I am not under any illusion that most women on here would consider me too old. I started swinging when I was around 35 and my pulling ability has declined with age.
I am puzzled why you think that would be news to me.
Did I write that I thought you were puzzled by it? errrr No.
Your tone did seem to suggest that telling me a 40 year old might not fancy a 50 year old would come as a revelation. It doesn't.
I am not being personal about this. I know I am significantly less attractive than many men on here. We do alright because we are a couple who like to meet single men, hence the demographics work in our favour.
It is impossible to tell a 'tone' from a written text.
I was pointing out a fact as I experienced it - I included you in that fact because you are over 50 - kind of centers your thinking to realise that labels just don't really help anyone, and even less so, those hypothetical ones.
There is no such thing as a truth in this context. People like and dislike people for all kinds of reasons. Prejudging by the hanging of a label does everyone a dis-service, more so those who are inclined to read them first.
"For me it's about not having illusions and understanding that want you want is different to what is. . Obviously I would love it if women couldn't keep their hands off me but I understand that as a 51 year old bloke most women will not find me attractive. That fact is not particularly "helpful" to me, but it's true and there is nothing I can do to alter it. Hence it's better to be aware of it and act accordingly. I am questioning whether it's actually useful to tell someone who, because of their level of (socially defined) attractiveness and the demographics on here, that attractiveness is subjective, someone will want to meet them etc etc when it is patently not true. | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? " On the internet, when you don't know the person, their state of mind or their motives I think it's better to be tactful. I suspect 65 year old 20 stone blokes are aware that their chances are limited in the outside world but they have different expectations of fab, I think that's what needs managing. In real life, with friends who in the long run will benefit from frank opinion rather than being told what they want to hear it's different I feel. | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? " Best advice for single men is usually "dont be a single man". | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? On the internet, when you don't know the person, their state of mind or their motives I think it's better to be tactful. I suspect 65 year old 20 stone blokes are aware that their chances are limited in the outside world but they have different expectations of fab, I think that's what needs managing. In real life, with friends who in the long run will benefit from frank opinion rather than being told what they want to hear it's different I feel."
I think I agree with that.
I suppose you can always say something like " mate, there are 17 men to each woman on here and loads of young toned guys, average* blokes like us have got no chance"
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" I am questioning whether it's actually useful to tell someone who, because of their level of (socially defined) attractiveness and the demographics on here, that attractiveness is subjective, someone will want to meet them etc etc when it is patently not true. " But you telling them is just your 'opinion'. Besides. It's poor social manners. | |||
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"I just say "i don't think your profile is very sexy". Its ambiguous enough. I suppose my point is whether it's actually a good thing to be ambiguous to spare people's feelings. Wouldn't our hypothetical 65 year old 20 stone bloke be better off being told that however great he does his profile, he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell on here and would be better off doing something else? On the internet, when you don't know the person, their state of mind or their motives I think it's better to be tactful. I suspect 65 year old 20 stone blokes are aware that their chances are limited in the outside world but they have different expectations of fab, I think that's what needs managing. In real life, with friends who in the long run will benefit from frank opinion rather than being told what they want to hear it's different I feel.
I think I agree with that.
I suppose you can always say something like " mate, there are 17 men to each woman on here and loads of young toned guys, average* blokes like us have got no chance"
* a euphemism of course, but letting down gently... "Yes. I usually say on those threads that the advice I've given is no guarantee of a meet. Nobody wants or needs to be told on a public forum that they're unattractive. . | |||
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" I am questioning whether it's actually useful to tell someone who, because of their level of (socially defined) attractiveness and the demographics on here, that attractiveness is subjective, someone will want to meet them etc etc when it is patently not true. But you telling them is just your 'opinion'. Besides. It's poor social manners. "You're misunderstanding me. Me saying that I think person x is attractive is a statement of opinion. Me saying most women don't find 65 year old 20 stone men sexually attractive is a statement of fact that is either true or false. I think it's quite obviously true. Do you disagree? | |||
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"Beauty is subjective but we also know what society's definition of it is as well. The problem is when people are nasty and then hide behind the honesty banner. If you're intentionally nasty to another person with no provoking then no matter how you justify it, you're a piece of shit" What if someone asks you a direct question and you know an honest answer will upset them? | |||
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" You're misunderstanding me. Me saying that I think person x is attractive is a statement of opinion. Me saying most women don't find 65 year old 20 stone men sexually attractive is a statement of fact that is either true or false. I think it's quite obviously true. Do you disagree? " No. I don't agree. To agree I would need to examine your proof of known facts. | |||
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"No because it isn't honesty as in fact, its honesty as in opinion." | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change." I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. | |||
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"Usually the main reason a man isn't getting meets is due to sheer weight of numbers. It's rare for a single woman to put a thread up complaining that nobody will meet her. I strongly suspect that if the numbers of women were treble that of men that situation would change." You mean a woman admitting she's doing something wrong??? Surely not??!  | |||
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"Beauty is subjective but we also know what society's definition of it is as well. The problem is when people are nasty and then hide behind the honesty banner. If you're intentionally nasty to another person with no provoking then no matter how you justify it, you're a piece of shit What if someone asks you a direct question and you know an honest answer will upset them? " Depends whether you're being brutal with your honesty. If you intentionally aim to make them feel shitty with your opinion then it is wrong. But if you are honest you can still go about that in a nice way. Some people will get upset no matter how you phrase 'no'. And if they turn nasty with no provoking, also pieces of shit | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. " How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age:82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough "Be still my beating heart. Hot list of rather fine maturer gentlemen, I'd happily entertain | |||
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"Usually the main reason a man isn't getting meets is due to sheer weight of numbers. It's rare for a single woman to put a thread up complaining that nobody will meet her. I strongly suspect that if the numbers of women were treble that of men that situation would change." Exactly. Women have their choice of men. There are 1 of them for every 17 men. Hence the men who will get chosen are by and large those who fit conventional socially accepted standards of attractiveness* * by definition the " socially accepted standards of attractiveness" is the ones most people adhere to. | |||
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"Usually the main reason a man isn't getting meets is due to sheer weight of numbers. It's rare for a single woman to put a thread up complaining that nobody will meet her. I strongly suspect that if the numbers of women were treble that of men that situation would change. You mean a woman admitting she's doing something wrong??? Surely not??! "There's no need to admit to something that's unlikely to have happened   | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then?" On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. | |||
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"Totally agree with the OP. I see profiles asking why they can’t get mets, and I secretly think that some of these people will never get a meet in a lifestyle where casual sex is the focus. Yes people have variations in what they consider sex appeal, for example I quite likely a cuddly man with a pot belly as long as he’s well turned out in other respects, but I really find very thin men a turn-off. But on the whole I find my taste is fairly similar to other people’s. It’s a nice idea, but I don’t think it’s correct that everybody is equal in sex appeal and that ability to find casual sex is all dependent on personal taste. Mrs" Precisely. I think "this it's all about personality" is one of those comforting myths we like to tell ourselves. | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age:82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough
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"Me too. Phew! | |||
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"Usually the main reason a man isn't getting meets is due to sheer weight of numbers. It's rare for a single woman to put a thread up complaining that nobody will meet her. I strongly suspect that if the numbers of women were treble that of men that situation would change. Exactly. Women have their choice of men. There are 1 of them for every 17 men. Hence the men who will get chosen are by and large those who fit conventional socially accepted standards of attractiveness* * by definition the " socially accepted standards of attractiveness" is the ones most people adhere to. " I think that's true to an extent but that there are many more factors that need to be taken in to account. | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age:82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough
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Me too. Phew!"Love that Gene Hackman is topping Robert Redford and Burt Reynolds | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age:82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough
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Me too. Phew!"And Morgan freeman would clean up on here!!! | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. " I personally wouldn’t. There does seem to be a view that Fab or swing clubs should be the solution to everybody’s sexually needs or fantasies. Where the reality is that that it doesn’t work for everyone. Since the dawn of time some men have been good at getting casual sex and some haven’t. The existence of the Internet doesn’t change this. But if Fab or the swing scene doesn’t work for an individual they will have to figure that out for themselves. I don’t think it should be my place to make that judgement. Mrs | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. I personally wouldn’t. There does seem to be a view that Fab or swing clubs should be the solution to everybody’s sexually needs or fantasies. Where the reality is that that it doesn’t work for everyone. Since the dawn of time some men have been good at getting casual sex and some haven’t. The existence of the Internet doesn’t change this. But if Fab or the swing scene doesn’t work for an individual they will have to figure that out for themselves. I don’t think it should be my place to make that judgement. Mrs" I agree. I think it's expectations that need to be managed rather than people's looks assessed. | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age:82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough
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Hot list of rather fine maturer gentlemen, I'd happily entertain
Me too. Phew!
And Morgan freeman would clean up on here!!! "
Kind of proves the point huh? There is no 'fact is'. People will choose as individuals not by the social norming of a group.
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. " I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. | |||
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"Some people are attracted to gym bods, some not. Some like blondes, some not. Some like fat people, some not and so on. It’s all down to preference. Blatantly telling someone they really don’t stand a chance is just poor manners and a real pretentious elitist outlook on others. That kind of attitude makes the ugliest of people, regardless of how great you may look. Speaking one’s mind does not make someone ‘down to earth’ or ‘genuine’. Just tells me that you’re firmly on the spectrum somewhere. Just live and let live. Ed" Genuine question. On a site where there are 17 men to every woman do you think my 65 year old 20 stone man has an equal chance of a meet with a single woman as a 35 year old toned man? | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic." Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age:82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough
Be still my beating heart.
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Me too. Phew!
And Morgan freeman would clean up on here!!!
Kind of proves the point huh? There is no 'fact is'. People will choose as individuals not by the social norming of a group.
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. " How old are 'most' men? | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. " No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" | |||
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"Some people are attracted to gym bods, some not. Some like blondes, some not. Some like fat people, some not and so on. It’s all down to preference. Blatantly telling someone they really don’t stand a chance is just poor manners and a real pretentious elitist outlook on others. That kind of attitude makes the ugliest of people, regardless of how great you may look. Speaking one’s mind does not make someone ‘down to earth’ or ‘genuine’. Just tells me that you’re firmly on the spectrum somewhere. Just live and let live. Ed Genuine question. On a site where there are 17 men to every woman do you think my 65 year old 20 stone man has an equal chance of a meet with a single woman as a 35 year old toned man? " Depends on the woman really. | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others"" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age: 82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough "These men were all exceptionally goodlooking in their day and have probably aged quite well (maybe with a bit of Botox perhaps?). As old men I’m sure there would be a lot of older ladies who would give their right arm for a date with these wealthy celebrities. As wealthy old men no doubt they could probably secure a sexy young wife/girlfriend too. But if nobody knew who they were, I very much doubt these men would generate any interest as single men on a sexy/swinging site. Mrs | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion?" The op asked if we should give our honest opinion on threads where people have asked why they aren't getting meets. The people who take part in The Undateables aren't doing that. | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion?" I have never seen the show, but I assume it is about people who are conventionally unattractive. I think people are getting ethics mixed up with facts. As an ethical statement you can say everyone deserves love and/or sex and I can agree with that. Just as I can agree with the ethical statement that countries should not go to war and should resolve differences peacefully. However neither of these ethical statements effect the factual statements that people with certain characteristics will be less attractive than other people or that countries do go to war. | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion?" I think there is a big difference between finding love and finding casual sex. Everybody deserves to find loves, and there is probably someone for everyone. I don’t think that’s the case when it comes to finding casual sex. Casual sex is more shallow, and even if looks are ignored, there normally needs to be a sort of sexy personality to tempt someone into bed for nsa sex. Mrs Mrs | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. " You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree | |||
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"Curious as to how this has gone off on an age related tangent. Age has nothing to do with attractiveness, objective or subjective. " I suspect age was mentioned as an example. As we’re all going to get old, it’s a safer example to use. Mrs | |||
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"Curious as to how this has gone off on an age related tangent. Age has nothing to do with attractiveness, objective or subjective. " So why will you not meet over forties if age has nothing to do with attractiveness? | |||
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"The truth hurts , and we aren’t here to hurt anyone . I totally agree with the op , and there are some profiles which clearly don’t tick many boxes for the majority . But we wouldn’t say to them that they are too old / fat / or simply ugly . We are simply here for fun , and we would feel awful if we hurt someone’s feelings . " Exactly. | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree "Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think? So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people? Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters? Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying. | |||
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"Bit of an odd thing to ask, don’t you think?" Why? You have said age has no bearing on attractiveness yet won't meet over forties. That seems a contradiction to me. | |||
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"Harrison Ford is 75. It's a shame he doesn't have a profile on here . . . or maybe? Gene Hackman. Age: 82 Clint Eastwood. Age: 82 Sean Connery. Age: 81 Michael Caine. Age: 79 Burt Reynolds. Age: 76 Robert Redford. ... Warren Beatty. ... Morgan Freeman. It's not your age it's what you have in your personality . . . Quit with the labels because you will surely be wearing them soon enough
These men were all exceptionally goodlooking in their day and have probably aged quite well (maybe with a bit of Botox perhaps?). As old men I’m sure there would be a lot of older ladies who would give their right arm for a date with these wealthy celebrities. As wealthy old men no doubt they could probably secure a sexy young wife/girlfriend too. But if nobody knew who they were, I very much doubt these men would generate any interest as single men on a sexy/swinging site.
Mrs"By the same token I wouldn't swing with someone from a picture or an age group . . . from my profile . . . ----------------------- My version of swinging goes something like this . . . . . . Meet you. . . . Get to know you. . . . See if I fancy you. . . . See if I want to swing with you. . . . Anything else just wouldn't be swinging! ---------------------------------- Getting to know you first is the most important bit. Age and size become less of an issue. | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying. "You're right it hardly does need saying does it....so back to your original question? Whats your opinion.. Does it need saying? | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"?" I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying. "I think people are entitled to express a statement of what they perceive to be a fact based on what they have seen of the world and their own personal experiences. As long as they are prepared to be proven wrong if someone comes up with the hard evidence that contradicts what they thought was a fact. Mrs | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying.
You're right it hardly does need saying does it....so back to your original question?
Whats your opinion..
Does it need saying?"It doesn't need saying no, but if she asks me directly why she is not getting any fucks I think I should give a honest , but tactful answer. The whole thread is about whether we should be honest when people ask directly, not about thrusting hurtful unsolicited opinions on people. | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying. "Yawn. When you state something that 'most' people think without any stats or evidence it is just your opinion. Yes it may seem like common sense to you but that's because it's your opinion based on assumptions and what you have encountered. At 16 I would have said that most boys wanted to fuck 40 year olds because of my art teacher, doesn't make it fact | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed" Haven’t seen the show and I’m sure they all stand a chance of finding love. But out of curiosity would these people stand a chance getting casual sex on a sex/swingers site? Btw if they don’t stand a chance on a sex site, I’m not by any stretch of the imagination suggestion someone tells them. Mrs | |||
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"Bit of an odd thing to ask, don’t you think? Why? You have said age has no bearing on attractiveness yet won't meet over forties. That seems a contradiction to me. Oh dear. There’s a whole host of reasons why our age limit is at forty. I don’t need to go into them with you, except to say that it doesn’t mean I (or we) don’t find over forties attractive. " In the context of a swinging site "attractive" means willing (in theory at least) to have sex with them. If you are not willing to have sex with over forties by definition you don't find them sexually attractive. Which is your perfect right of course, but I really can't say how you can age has no bearing on sexual attractiveness. | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying.
Yawn. When you state something that 'most' people think without any stats or evidence it is just your opinion. Yes it may seem like common sense to you but that's because it's your opinion based on assumptions and what you have encountered. At 16 I would have said that most boys wanted to fuck 40 year olds because of my art teacher, doesn't make it fact "Are we saying that we must be able to quote the evidence before we make a statement of what we perceive to be the fact based on our life experience? Mrs | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying.
Yawn. When you state something that 'most' people think without any stats or evidence it is just your opinion. Yes it may seem like common sense to you but that's because it's your opinion based on assumptions and what you have encountered. At 16 I would have said that most boys wanted to fuck 40 year olds because of my art teacher, doesn't make it fact "There's plenty of evidence. How many 75 year old sex workers are there? How many men are hanging around bingo halls and oap clubs trying to chat up the elderly women how much porn features 74 year olds etc etc? All this is evidence that the vast majority of men who prefer sex with a 30 year old to sex with a 75 year old This site astonishes me sometimes | |||
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"Bit of an odd thing to ask, don’t you think? Why? You have said age has no bearing on attractiveness yet won't meet over forties. That seems a contradiction to me. Oh dear. There’s a whole host of reasons why our age limit is at forty. I don’t need to go into them with you, except to say that it doesn’t mean I (or we) don’t find over forties attractive. In the context of a swinging site "attractive" means willing (in theory at least) to have sex with them. If you are not willing to have sex with over forties by definition you don't find them sexually attractive. Which is your perfect right of course, but I really can't say how you can age has no bearing on sexual attractiveness. " Bonkers. Signing out of this one. Have a good day all x | |||
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"This has brought to mind our last visit to our local swingers club, it was new years eve and very very busy. Sat smack bang in the middle was a little old lady with her equally little old lady friend (I'm talking Werther's original and knitting patterns)she looked like she was having a lovely time laughing and joking with her friend and why the hell not. My point is I'm almost certain she owned a mirror and a birth certificate and was fully aware of the things she couldn't change about herself, what's gained by pointing them out? Help people by giving your opinions on things they can change. I am not advocating going around giving people unsolicited opinions, I am talking about where people ask a direct question. How many people do you think she asked that night. Do you think i'm too old to be in here? What would your answer have been then? On the am I too old question, I would say if you are enjoying yourself, age isn't relevant. If she was finding no one wanted to fuck her and asked me why, then I think, yes, the best policy is to explain tactfully that most men want to fuck younger women. Why would you not explain that? We all get older - being a particular age is not a criticism. I wouldn't explain that no, if i give an opinion i give mine and mine alone. This topic on it's own shines a light on the downfalls of giving your own opinion as that of "most" people. Those other "most" people will always come along with different opinions. My point is whatever "your" opinion is you own it, but speaking for the vast majority always strikes me as slightly narcissistic. Oh come on, are you really saying that me saying that most men would prefer to fuck a 30 year old rather than a 75 year old is just a statement of opinion? It's a bleedingly obvious fact that we all know from observing the world around us. I am all for being nice, but this is just getting silly.. No i didn't say that, what i am saying is simply provide your opinion, why do you feel the need to provide the opinion of most people or more importantly borrowing from your profile why do you feel the need to "thrust your beliefs on others" No. If a 75 year old woman at a swinging club asks me why she can't get a fuck, the most likely reason is that the men at the club would prefer to fuck someone younger. If she is asking for my view as to why she can't get a fuck that is the honest answer, which I would try to convey in a tactful a way as possible. I fail to see why giving to someone the obvious answer to a question they have asked me is my thrusting my views on them. You seem to have misunderstood what i said. When you make statements regarding your opinions and support your opinions by stating them as fact because in your opinion most people feel the same way you do, is where you are thrusting your views upon...wait for it...most people. The crux of it is simply this. Speak solely for yourself and let others do the same, leave most people to make up there own opinions as just like this thread you may find most people disagree
Are you really saying that it is thrusting views on other people if we make statements about what people think?
So if I say most people in the UK find paedophilia revolting, that's not a statement of pretty obvious fact, but me thrusting my view on other people?
Or if I say that at the general election last year 40% of voters showed their support for the Labour Party, that's me thrusting my views on those voters?
Its obviously nonsense to say that making general statements about what a certain group of people think is thrusting ones views on them. The issue is whether the statements are correct or not
The statement that most men would prefer to have sex with a 35 year old rather than a 75 year is so obvious that it hardly nears saying.
Yawn. When you state something that 'most' people think without any stats or evidence it is just your opinion. Yes it may seem like common sense to you but that's because it's your opinion based on assumptions and what you have encountered. At 16 I would have said that most boys wanted to fuck 40 year olds because of my art teacher, doesn't make it fact
There's plenty of evidence. How many 75 year old sex workers are there? How many men are hanging around bingo halls and oap clubs trying to chat up the elderly women how much porn features 74 year olds etc etc?
All this is evidence that the vast majority of men who prefer sex with a 30 year old to sex with a 75 year old
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed" Because the original question was "should we be brutally honest with people *when they ask*". The people who go on The Undateables haven't asked. I'm assuming since they're happy to be associated with a show whose very title proclaims them to be unable to get dates that they have a fairly good idea that in the "normal" world they stand a limited chance. My personal opinion is that the show is using these people as entertainment and dressing it up as caring. I find it distasteful. | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed Because the original question was "should we be brutally honest with people *when they ask*". The people who go on The Undateables haven't asked. I'm assuming since they're happy to be associated with a show whose very title proclaims them to be unable to get dates that they have a fairly good idea that in the "normal" world they stand a limited chance. My personal opinion is that the show is using these people as entertainment and dressing it up as caring. I find it distasteful." isnt this like 90% percent of the news and live tv programmes today. Thats why i never watch tv | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed Because the original question was "should we be brutally honest with people *when they ask*". The people who go on The Undateables haven't asked. I'm assuming since they're happy to be associated with a show whose very title proclaims them to be unable to get dates that they have a fairly good idea that in the "normal" world they stand a limited chance. My personal opinion is that the show is using these people as entertainment and dressing it up as caring. I find it distasteful.isnt this like 90% percent of the news and live tv programmes today. Thats why i never watch tv" Not as high as 90% and a good proportion of people who take part in other reality shows go into it with eyes and palms wide open. | |||
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"Most men hang around bingo centres looking for sex and most sex workers are over the age of 70... and I have based that statement on absolutely nothing " lol. | |||
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"Most men hang around bingo centres looking for sex and most sex workers are over the age of 70... and I have based that statement on absolutely nothing " I thought that was you!! Wave next time would you | |||
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"lets be honest , you cant judge by a profile or CV and a few pics ... it really i a few second initial judgement. bit like , .......say your a regular in a pub , the barmaid or man you dont particularly like the look of , then , guess what , after a few visits you start to say , do you know what , he/she is quite nice actually. we shouldnt judge a book by its cover but we do. hence the big winners on here are the ones that pose/ photograph really well. That is rubbish personality and lack of arrogance will always be better " | |||
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"I’m sure most people are aware of how they look. There’s tons of psychological studies that show most people partner with others of similar levels of attractiveness (or if you want to be mean, “unattractiveness”) So I don’t think the way someone looks is ever a barrier to meeting someone. There’s always going to be a person out there that’s for you Therefore it’s not fair to comment on their appearance negatively. (Unless of course they’re hassling you too much)." Yes that’s true in the real world, ie when finding a life partner. But I don’t believe that it is possible for all men to get nsa sex via a sex or swinging site. I do believe that the right combination of physical appearance, and a personality that turns people on is necessary for nsa sex. Some men don’t have the right ingredients to tempt someone into bed on a casual basis. My opinion based on what I’ve seen of the world. Mrs | |||
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"Most men hang around bingo centres looking for sex and most sex workers are over the age of 70... and I have based that statement on absolutely nothing I thought that was you!! Wave next time would you "I'm always waving. Find it hard to stand out otherwise. I'll be the 6'4" guy dressed as a clown waving... As we all know: most women love a guy in.a clown costume | |||
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"Most men hang around bingo centres looking for sex and most sex workers are over the age of 70... and I have based that statement on absolutely nothing I thought that was you!! Wave next time would you
I'm always waving. Find it hard to stand out otherwise. I'll be the 6'4" guy dressed as a clown waving... As we all know: most women love a guy in.a clown costume"Do you have any statistics to support that wild generalisation? | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed Because the original question was "should we be brutally honest with people *when they ask*". The people who go on The Undateables haven't asked. I'm assuming since they're happy to be associated with a show whose very title proclaims them to be unable to get dates that they have a fairly good idea that in the "normal" world they stand a limited chance. My personal opinion is that the show is using these people as entertainment and dressing it up as caring. I find it distasteful." Apart from the fact that the OP stated that it would be better to tell a fat old man that he’d have a ‘snowball in hell’s chance’ of meeting. Merely pointing out what the OP had stated. Ed | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed Because the original question was "should we be brutally honest with people *when they ask*". The people who go on The Undateables haven't asked. I'm assuming since they're happy to be associated with a show whose very title proclaims them to be unable to get dates that they have a fairly good idea that in the "normal" world they stand a limited chance. My personal opinion is that the show is using these people as entertainment and dressing it up as caring. I find it distasteful. Apart from the fact that the OP stated that it would be better to tell a fat old man that he’d have a ‘snowball in hell’s chance’ of meeting. Merely pointing out what the OP had stated. Ed" Ok. We will have to agree to disagree as to the ops intent. I still don't see how you connected it to The Undateables. | |||
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"I’d love to know your view on the show ‘The Undateables’. Do they deserve to find love? Or should we just tell them your honest opinion? And isn't that shows premise that the people who take part aren't conventionally attractive and therefore "undateable"? I absolutely love the show, so endearing and heart warming. Lovely people with physical/mental disabilities trying to find love. They’re all far from stupid and deserve the very best. Would anyone actually have the nerve to tell them they stand no chance? Anyone with a heart wouldn’t. So why is this any different? Just playing devil’s advocate. Ed Because the original question was "should we be brutally honest with people *when they ask*". The people who go on The Undateables haven't asked. I'm assuming since they're happy to be associated with a show whose very title proclaims them to be unable to get dates that they have a fairly good idea that in the "normal" world they stand a limited chance. My personal opinion is that the show is using these people as entertainment and dressing it up as caring. I find it distasteful. Apart from the fact that the OP stated that it would be better to tell a fat old man that he’d have a ‘snowball in hell’s chance’ of meeting. Merely pointing out what the OP had stated. Ed Ok. We will have to agree to disagree as to the ops intent. I still don't see how you connected it to The Undateables." Lol, never mind. | |||
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