FabSwingers.com forum: Are we all bi curious ?

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi I'm bi curious, not into A but always wanted to suck cock particularly with a couple, always found this is something that I can't get out of my fantasies, and wondered if everyone has bi cravings at some point and have actually taken it further or just kept quiet about it, Are we all a little bi ?

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi I'm bi curious, not into A but always wanted to suck cock particularly with a couple, always found this is something that I can't get out of my fantasies, and wondered if everyone has bi cravings at some point and have actually taken it further or just kept quiet about it, Are we all a little bi ?"

I have a theory about this. I grew up in a country where pornography was illegal. I hadn't seen images of oral sex before. At that stage I had never had a fantasy about giving oral to another man. If you had asked me my sexual orientation at that stage I would have said 100% straight.

After the internet came along just about all the porn that came along showed women seeming to really enjoy giving oral sex and I started wondering how it felt for them. It definitely planted a seed of curiosity. No pun intended.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

It's well documented that there is a spectrum on which we all sit at one end of which is completely heterosexual with no interest whatsoever in sexual interaction with the same gender and the other end of which is an interest in sexual interaction with ONLY the same gender and in between varying levels of interest in interaction with both.

So no I don't think everyone is "a little bit bi" or even bi curious

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No we are not,some yes,but all? No.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think men can be quite good a giving oral because they know what feels good when they suck cock, but equally I think women are probably better at giving oral to other woman for the same reasons, why don't we mind woman who are bi curious but always seem to go yuck if men want to do the same ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm 100% gay , no bisexual feelings thoughts here , does that make sense lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think men can be quite good a giving oral because they know what feels good when they suck cock, but equally I think women are probably better at giving oral to other woman for the same reasons, why don't we mind woman who are bi curious but always seem to go yuck if men want to do the same ?"

In my experience that is a myth.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

To deal with the first point I don't actually think it's true to say that men give better oral to men, or women to women, we're all individual and like things differently - the key is being able to react to your partner regardless of their gender and read their signs for what is good for them individually.

As for people going "yuck" about male on male sex, some will for sure, but there are a lot that don't either - just take a look at some of the other bi male threads for evidence of that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I remember this from Psychology Lessons at college. I didn't believe it then but I do now!!

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Some people may not be into bi guys and some are. As for the theory that same sex are better at pleasing each other, not in my experience. In fact one of the reasons I’m happy not to let other women touch me is because I’ve found very few are any good and in fact have hurt me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !"

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m bi male and love all kinds of sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!"

OP is simply asking a question. I thought the point of forums was to raise topics and discus them?

As for the originality of the question. Well certain forum topics seem to keep reapearing. I find it hardly surprising that bisexuality keeps coming up given the wide spectrum of viewpoints on the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Swinging with my first wife was my first taste of being Bi cur - we both developed sexual desires for same sex and she got extremely turned on watching me and me watching her playing with others - one thing led to another and before you could blink an eye, I was a convert and enjoy male company in a sexual way ..........yes I am bisexual but I am not ashamed to say so.....but id agree that I am just darn greedy lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With social media and politics constantly trying to put humans in acceptable groups you may have to decide and declare soon enough .... we now have anonymous CV's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

OP is simply asking a question. I thought the point of forums was to raise topics and discus them?

And I simply answered.

I don't care if a guy is straight, bi or gay, they just don't appeal to me.

As you said it's a discussion, as many others have been. Like you, I gave an opinion. I'm pleased for the op that he has 'found' himself, but in answering the question, are we all bi? No we're not.

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By *ikstupp2Man
over a year ago

london

I’m not. Quite like the odd glimpse of a tgirl going at it with a girl but have no sexual feeling for men at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

OP is simply asking a question. I thought the point of forums was to raise topics and discus them?

And I simply answered.

I don't care if a guy is straight, bi or gay, they just don't appeal to me.

As you said it's a discussion, as many others have been. Like you, I gave an opinion. I'm pleased for the op that he has 'found' himself, but in answering the question, are we all bi? No we're not."

Sorry my bad. The liberal use of exclamation marks probably slanted my view of your intended tone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not all men are bi, but most guys I meet are straight acting x

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

100% of us are bi

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By *wingme22Man
over a year ago

Galway

Well i would have seen myself as straight untill about 2 years ago. I never looked at a guy and said he is hot i want him and still dont. I call my self cureous because in the right environment and with the right people i will suck a guys cock. It is the sexual interaction i love no matter if it is male or femail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nope not me. Not in the slightest I was a midwife for 22 years and fanny does absolutely nothing for me. I can't look at it as anything remotely sexual after what I've seen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I think women are probably better at giving oral to other woman for the same reasons, why don't we mind woman who are bi curious but always seem to go yuck if men want to do the same ?"

yeah...they're really not...some of the worst oral I've had has been from women...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well i would have seen myself as straight untill about 2 years ago. I never looked at a guy and said he is hot i want him and still dont. I call my self cureous because in the right environment and with the right people i will suck a guys cock. It is the sexual interaction i love no matter if it is male or femail."

On a separate thread I spoke about a concept in psychology called SMSM (straight men who have sex with men). It concerned a study on men who do not identify as gay or bi, have no attraction to men and no emotional attachment but are aroused by male/male sexual contact. The study suggests that it is not an act that determines your sexuality but rather what you identify as.

To my mind this fits perfectly with what is termed "fab straight". Unfortunately these people are branded as being dishonest when in actual fact it may well be that it is just the field of psychology which is lagging.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’ve met a few straight men in a MMF scenario where it was obvious they didn’t mind a bit of contact in the cock department and a bit more. Not anal but maybe a bit of oral. It wasn’t for me but I think it proves there’s a lot of straight guys out there who would like to try it but don’t advertise the fact on Fab.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Way past curious now ??

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

I don't know who coined the term "bicurious" but seems to me that nobody should call themselves that after they've satisfied their curiosity.

A bloke who suspects he might enjoy a cock in his mouth or arse can no longer be curious after he's actually had a cock in his mouth or arse.

If he likes it then he is gay or bisexual. If he doesn't then he's straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't know who coined the term "bicurious" but seems to me that nobody should call themselves that after they've satisfied their curiosity.

A bloke who suspects he might enjoy a cock in his mouth or arse can no longer be curious after he's actually had a cock in his mouth or arse.

If he likes it then he is gay or bisexual. If he doesn't then he's straight."

I agree with you but dare to suggest that if fab offered a "biplayful" option it would see more use than "bicurious".

Why? Because I believe that a lot of male/male contact takes place in the name of fun rather than out and out attraction.

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

Poole

No! I'm Pansexual. (fem)

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By *ptimusDMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

"No! I'm Pansexual. (fem)"

I could google it but I get the feeling you'll do a better job of telling me what a pansexual is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the problem, if it can be called that, arises because people aren't honest about their sexuality. It comes from, usually men, that can't or won't admit, either to themselves or others that they are bi. This is where the confusion comes in. They are bi, but won't admit it. Therefore they become 'straight' men that suck cock. They aren't, they are bi. Straight men don't suck cock. Or play with anybody else's except their own. I have played in mfm and gang, not once was I interested in any of the guys. If you play with other guys in that situation, you aren't straight. There aren't any grey areas. The sad thing I think is, that if you can't admit your sexualities on a site like fab, where can you?

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By *ethRyanCouple
over a year ago

Preston

Google the Kinsey scale a pretty good representation of the scale of sexuality.people canfall anywhere on it from totally straight to totally gay. For some people it can change over time too. Each to their own and respect each person for who they are regardless xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the problem, if it can be called that, arises because people aren't honest about their sexuality. It comes from, usually men, that can't or won't admit, either to themselves or others that they are bi. This is where the confusion comes in. They are bi, but won't admit it. Therefore they become 'straight' men that suck cock. They aren't, they are bi. Straight men don't suck cock. Or play with anybody else's except their own. I have played in mfm and gang, not once was I interested in any of the guys. If you play with other guys in that situation, you aren't straight. There aren't any grey areas. The sad thing I think is, that if you can't admit your sexualities on a site like fab, where can you? "

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality."

Which is fine, as long as 'they' let me have my point of view and accept that it is different to theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality.

Which is fine, as long as 'they' let me have my point of view and accept that it is different to theirs."

In my experience they do. I have heard stories of bi guys who get handsy in a group situation. But that is because they are disrespectful not because they are bi.

I might remind you it is not bi/gay people who make nasty comments in clubs when hetrosexual people have fun. It is the other way around. Acceptance is a two way street.

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

Nope ,no bi tendencies at all here

Miss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my case I am not Bi, I can look at a women and think she looks good or has great boobs but it doesn’t stir any sexual feelings for me.

MrsK x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality.

Which is fine, as long as 'they' let me have my point of view and accept that it is different to theirs.

In my experience they do. I have heard stories of bi guys who get handsy in a group situation. But that is because they are disrespectful not because they are bi.

I might remind you it is not bi/gay people who make nasty comments in clubs when hetrosexual people have fun. It is the other way around. Acceptance is a two way street."

You seem to be under the impression that I have a problem with people that are bi? I don't. My point really is that if you look back over the last few weeks there have been several similar threads that have turned into 'straight bashing' where the bi community have not accepted someone can be straight. As much as... if you had a cock in front of you, you would want to suck it! I wouldn't, I really wouldn't. I've been in many situations, but not once was attracted to any of the other guys there. You can throw reports around, but if I'm not attracted to people of the same sex, sexually or any other way, then I must be straight and I identify as such. It doesn't mean I am homophobic or biphobic. Just... straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality.

Which is fine, as long as 'they' let me have my point of view and accept that it is different to theirs.

In my experience they do. I have heard stories of bi guys who get handsy in a group situation. But that is because they are disrespectful not because they are bi.

I might remind you it is not bi/gay people who make nasty comments in clubs when hetrosexual people have fun. It is the other way around. Acceptance is a two way street.

This isn't one of those threads. I don't see the relevance.

Those reports weren't about you or your sexuality. It is about those people you refer to as being dishonest about their sexuality. Just offering a different point of view.

No I don't see you as being homophobic or biphobic. I am simply pointing out that while you see nonstraight people as not respecting your right to be straight, the incidence of straight people forcing their viewpoint onto bi people is more prevalent.

For the record I personally believe that people forcing their beliefs onto others is a source of much of the worlds misery.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality.

Which is fine, as long as 'they' let me have my point of view and accept that it is different to theirs.

In my experience they do. I have heard stories of bi guys who get handsy in a group situation. But that is because they are disrespectful not because they are bi.

I might remind you it is not bi/gay people who make nasty comments in clubs when hetrosexual people have fun. It is the other way around. Acceptance is a two way street.

This isn't one of those threads. I don't see the relevance.

Those reports weren't about you or your sexuality. It is about those people you refer to as being dishonest about their sexuality. Just offering a different point of view.

For the record I personally believe that people forcing their beliefs onto others is a source of much of the worlds misery. "

I can totally agree with that.

I will admit to being rather pre-emptive on this thread and perhaps misreading the way it was going to go based on other threads. Although there is still plenty of time for that to happen, but unless you had read the previous threads then people wouldn't have understood my stance.

Still, a healthy discussion nonetheless!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can totally agree with that.

Still, a healthy discussion nonetheless!

I know the type of discussion you are referring to and am just as strongly opposed.

Most of my swinging is done off a couples profile and out of 170 or so meets only a handful have involved bi male interaction. This means that quite often I will be coupled with a woman while she is giving the other male a blowjob. In these instances I have very literally had a cock inches from my face and not once has it even crossed my mind to suck it.

So if a bisexual male isn't automatically drawn to a cock why would a hetrosexual male find one irresistible?

I think that in the same way that every demographic have their trolls, bi people have their trolls too. They certainly aren't representative of other bi people.

I enjoy a good discussion and thank you for taking your time to express your views

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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago

Ramsgate

That’s my theory too! Unless it’s a complete beginner guys usually give awesome blowjobs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think guys are as good as female sucking cock, but is it the same when licking pussy too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

And I don't mean the cat !

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!"

Sorry to ignore the OP for a moment, though I think the answer to his question is No.

Now regarding the bit I’ve selected to quote...I’ve read your other posts on here & was frankly going to ignore it (not my Monkey, not my Circus). However after reading the entire thread I am sorta going to play Devil’s Advocate & try to offer some balance as best as I can. I’m not promising though.

I almost initially congratulated you for “coming out” as Straight (twice in one comment) & wondered if you’d bought the T-shirt for “Straight Pride” at the inaugural Straight Pride March. Tbh you did come across as straight, frustrated & a tad angry. You’re very lucky to have had all the rights, privileges & laws in your favour for such a long & memorable time. Others have not & are only just catching up in recent times after struggling for acceptance & equity in both social & legal terms. This does not mean heterosexuals have “lost” any of those rights or should feel threatened, but it does come across that the amount of posts asking similar questions annoys you. If that’s the case maybe don’t look for things to annoy you. Focus on threads that give you pleasure - unless Bi Bashing gives you pleasure. I don’t think anyone here is Straight Bashing. I can’t think of a single instance where someone who identifies as gay or bi has deliberately “bashed” or criticised the heterosexual lifestyle. Heck, without heterosexuals breeding all these millennia there would be no gay or bi folk. Anyway, just my observation on how your initial posts came across as somewhat confrontational.

Now back to the OP, whose choice of wording may have been better chosen (we all can interpret things wrong or inadvertently skew a phrase the wrong way, especially on Social Media.

I’m going to agree with many on here & say there are numerous posts on here regarding the subject, just as there are as many more views, & numerous more studies. I tend to agree that some ARE exclusively Straight or Gay (I think Kinsey states about 10%), with everyone else somewhere along the sliding (grey) scale in the middle. That leaves 80% of us at some point in our lives experiencing feelings, thoughts of real interactions with someone of the same sex. That might only happen once in our formative teenage years, or even by becoming more open to it in much later years. It’s only Social, Religious or Cultural pressures that then hold back the 80% majority that Kinsey speaks of. That means Staights & Gays are actually the MINORITY if we really think about it! The Ancient Greeks embraced some forms of same sex interaction, where Victorian Britain abhorred it & Victoria herself refused to accept women would consider sex with other women (which is why lesbianism was never written into law).

So, (ironically, & from my own Fab experiences) I agree that there are people who are “exclusively” hetero or homosexual, with the rest of us somewhere, at some time in our lives, somewhere in the middle. That “curiosity” may or may not lead to experimenting, experiencing or actively seeking encounters be it in our youth, somewhere in middle age, or in our later years. And whilst that might make Bisexuals the majority, it’s still got a long way to go before we accept it as normal behavior... socially, religiously or culturally.

Oh & I’m curious to know which country banned pornography. I’ll put it on my “avoid” list of countries to holiday in.

Whatever everyone’s sexuality, let’s hope we can accept them without being judgemental or going to war about it.

Peace out Forumites.

Much love,

Random

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

No we're not.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"No we're not."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to muddy the water a little ...l only have male urging a if they are cd or tv...otherwise it's females for me ...confused?...you bet ??

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"No we're not.

Don't you roll your eyes at me young lady

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not, never had any interest even in fantasy land.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In response to the brilliantly composed Random post above... sorry your post is too long to requote.

To be fair the participant in question did admit to reacting pre-emptively. I can understand where he is coming from.

The country in question is South Africa. At the time girly pics had to have stars over the nipples. Once the ANC took over you could buy porn at the corner store. Now you can watch porn but may be murdered whilst doing so. I'm not sure if this is an improvement.

I rencently went to a club near St Neots where my girlfriend and I were approached by a lovely trans person. We decided to go to a lockup room and were joined by a female friend. Despite the fact that we were out of sight a number of people found it necessary to stand outside the door and voice very loudly their opinions on bi men. It ruined what could have been a lot of fun for the four of us.

I feel that we as swingers, a community that struggles to gain acceptance from society as a whole can be amazingly judgemental and narrow minded ourselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

Sorry to ignore the OP for a moment, though I think the answer to his question is No.

I was going to ignore this as I felt I had explained myself previously. One thing I am not doing is 'bashing' anyone and I hope if you'd read all of my posts you would have understood that.

I also apologise if you thought my 'straight pride' was confrontational, it wasn't meant to be. It was meant to be an ironic point from previous discussions as I pointed out. Yes I say ironic as having lived through the last 50 years and have watched how far as a society we have come. But there have been threads on here as I previously described, where some, not all of the bi community have insisted their way is the only way. So I tried to use irony to reverse the situation. Perhaps a mistake on my part. I've already said I went off pre-emptive, again my mistake. Yours, is thinking I am in any way homophobic. I'm not, not in any way. My point was really that while I am accepting of our community that are bi or gay, there are a few in that community, from my experience on other threads that seem unable to accept that we aren't all bi or gay.

I apologise to anyone who thinks I have offended them or who thinks I am homophobic. I can assure you I'm not!

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By *ndeenaMan
over a year ago

Upminster

I don't mind a BJ from Make part of a couple in a three way fun. But never thought of giving a BJ.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

Hey Yossarian, I see that whilst I was composing my long post that you & kvn kisses & made up (lol) & reached agreement. Oddly we are all of a similar train of thought. That said the OP is only here a week & to be fair probably hasn’t read other posts on the subject. I can see why kvn felt frustrated, just as I saw your viewpoint & offered mine as a Gay man who has been fortunate to have some MFM’s through the wonderful world of Fab. I just felt it cane across as a little aggressive & didn’t take into account the OP’s new membership. If I’d been a Newbie I’d have seen it as unwelcoming of Bi’s. I thought I’d offer a bit of levity to the thread.

PS: I’ll be avoiding ZA.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple
over a year ago

Leeds

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

I thought I might be so had my cock sucked a few times by convincing TVs , and even fucked one , but then realised I wasn’t bi at all . Hey ho , glad I know now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hey Yossarian, I see that whilst I was composing my long post that you & kvn kisses & made up (lol) & reached agreement. Oddly we are all of a similar train of thought. That said the OP is only here a week & to be fair probably hasn’t read other posts on the subject. I can see why kvn felt frustrated, just as I saw your viewpoint & offered mine as a Gay man who has been fortunate to have some MFM’s through the wonderful world of Fab. I just felt it cane across as a little aggressive & didn’t take into account the OP’s new membership. If I’d been a Newbie I’d have seen it as unwelcoming of Bi’s. I thought I’d offer a bit of levity to the thread.

PS: I’ll be avoiding ZA. "

Errrrr let's just say we shook hands like gentlemen

Yes there is plenty of frustration from both viewpoints and the trolls on other threads certainly haven't made the situation any easier.

I agree with both of you. A good discussion and all saying much tje same thing. Let's all agree to live and let live.

I think ZA is a wonderful place to visit. But there is more than one reason to lock the door when you're watching porn

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By *xplorer13Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago

Ramsgate

"I think guys are as good as female sucking cock, but is it the same when licking pussy too."

Only women could tell us that. Best thing would be a blindfold test and see if she can tell the difference between a man and a woman. It was a married mate who gave me some tips on sucking which he said he learned from a women who was a real expert.

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By *andom2chatMan
over a year ago

A Galaxy Far, Far Away & Spain

"Yes there is plenty of frustration from both viewpoints and the trolls on other threads certainly haven't made the situation any easier.

I agree with both of you. A good discussion and all saying much tje same thing. Let's all agree to live and let live.

I think ZA is a wonderful place to visit. But there is more than one reason to lock the door when you're watching porn

LOL. Yes, I’m using the green arrow to read some of the viewpoints expressed on the previously mentioned Threads. Very informative.

It also seems that the time delay has also played its part in the misunderstandings.

I hope the OP isn’t scared off from the Forums. Poor fella is only here 7 days.

I see what you mean about the trolls. Thankfully I’m thick skinned, & even when I encountered “trolls” when I first posted I held my own with them. You learn fast on Fab.

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

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By *wingme22Man
over a year ago

Galway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

am straight

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think in the heat of the moment you just never know what might happen

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By *uckslut and MCouple
over a year ago

Poole

That’s my theory too! Unless it’s a complete beginner guys usually give awesome blowjobs "

You've never had one of my blow jobs.

they normally include a deep troat and freinlum (sp) wank. (Fem)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I’m gay. Only every been with men, but I have wanked of to straight porn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no f***ing chance

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My brother came out to our parents that he is straight. And they've accepted him

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Personally... I know I am completely straight. I have no desires towards men in the slightest.

It appears to me that often guys who are bi feel the need to validate their own position by suggesting that NOBODY it 100% straight.

Cal

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By *adja_lazloCouple
over a year ago

Solihull

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally... I know I am completely straight. I have no desires towards men in the slightest.

It appears to me that often guys who are bi feel the need to validate their own position by suggesting that NOBODY it 100% straight.

Cal"

I wasn't aware that being bisexual required validation. Is it a precarious position?

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By *eady and Willing 9Man
over a year ago

Wherever the party is @

No we're not all bi curious

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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago

Ramsgate

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS."

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons "

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago

Ramsgate

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason."

That’s a good point - I’m always a bit wary when a guy with a completely straight profile contacts me for the first time - sometimes it’s just guys who are a bit nervous and have been thinking about it for a long time but are not quite sure and want some advice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason."

Well since bi men have been stigmatized as being unable to play straight and crawling with STIs you might find a relunctance for a bi man with self control and disease free status to place himself in this category.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

It's commonly known as male homophobia.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!"

It makes you want to scream doesn't it?

Why some struggle to understand there really are straight people is something I don't understand.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

No not all men are bi.

Just like not all women are bi.

How do I know this, because I am not bi so therefore even if every other male on the planet is, there is still at least one exception.

There are very few generalisations that cover 100% of any group.

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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago

Ramsgate

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

Is there evidence that bi men have a greater incidence of STIs?

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

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By *uckandbunnyCouple
over a year ago

In your bed

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

It makes you want to scream doesn't it?

Why some struggle to understand there really are straight people is something I don't understand. "

It is strange which ever way you look at it. If everyone was bi this would suggest gay men like women. Something that would be very controversial.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

This!!!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

In 1948 before the Kinsey Reports you were either straight or homosexual. Like I said above there are studies by qualified psychologists that condradict your point of view.

Maybe these people ARE being honest. Perhaps they just don't subscribe to your point of view as to what determines your sexuality.

Which is fine, as long as 'they' let me have my point of view and accept that it is different to theirs.

In my experience they do. I have heard stories of bi guys who get handsy in a group situation. But that is because they are disrespectful not because they are bi.

I might remind you it is not bi/gay people who make nasty comments in clubs when hetrosexual people have fun. It is the other way around. Acceptance is a two way street.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

It makes you want to scream doesn't it?

Why some struggle to understand there really are straight people is something I don't understand.

It is strange which ever way you look at it. If everyone was bi this would suggest gay men like women. Something that would be very controversial. "
I'm gay and I have never found a woman sexually arousing , that's an honest answer , I just don't so I'm not bi

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"Another of these threads?!!!

No, we are not all bi, bi curious or anything else connected to being bi!

Many are actually straight! I am for one. While you may like to suck another man's cock, there are many that won't.

I, for one, am straight and proud!

It makes you want to scream doesn't it?

Why some struggle to understand there really are straight people is something I don't understand. "

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

We can’t appeal to everyone though and actually does it matter. Who wants to meet people with shitty attitudes, I don’t ! So best just be honest about what you are and let others have their choice. The majority of ‘Fab straight’ guys are just playing the numbers game to increase their chances.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

I believe that there are men who enjoy sexual contact with other men but do not identify with being bi or gay. On fab guys there are many profiles where guy states straight out that he does not find men attractive and is interested in the cock and that's it. They have no reason to lie. They just genuinely don't identify.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

Firstly to answer the OPs Q, I would say no.

But I just want to say ;Why are people surprised that people lie in order to get laid?

This will always be the case and wouldn't a lot of us do the same if it increased our chances?

Finally, I don't even think it's a big deal but it certainly fires some people up..Perhaps they should ask themselves why they get so get up? (No pun intended)

Have fun all.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

Whoops..shoukd be het up.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

And does fab guys give the opportunity to select straight as a sexuality ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

Firstly to answer the OPs Q, I would say no.

But I just want to say ;Why are people surprised that people lie in order to get laid?

This will always be the case and wouldn't a lot of us do the same if it increased our chances?

Finally, I don't even think it's a big deal but it certainly fires some people up..Perhaps they should ask themselves why they get so get up? (No pun intended)

Have fun all."

Thank you. You have just proved my point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

And does fab guys give the opportunity to select straight as a sexuality ?"

No there isn't even a Forum button. Read into that what you will

If there were a SMSM option it would mean someone reads Psychology today.

It would probably be a popular option if it were offered on both sites.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and breath everybody ..........

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By *hoot45Man
over a year ago

Ramsgate

"hahaha NO don't be silly now. Most guys that join this site are bi I agree with you but in the real world it's probably less than 30% that are bi, well according to the ONS.

There does seem to be a healthy number of bi guys here, although many don’t mention it on their profiles. That’s their choice - they have their reasons

I meet with a married guy from time to time and he doesn’t identify as bi and doesn’t fancy men but boy does he like cock! Lol

By far the biggest reason given for ‘Fab straight’ is and I quote “lots of couples and women don’t want to meet bi men”

So essentially they have straight profiles to meet prople that don’t want to meet them if they knew the truth.

Then they expect a positive outcome from contacting people that are open about their sexuality. They can search us but we can’t search them.

I personally don’t think this is a good reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it just me or does the title of this thread sound like the title of an episode of Sex And The City?

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By *reokinkMan
over a year ago

London

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world. "

So very very true

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world.

So very very true"

I am not sure it is fair to suggest that everyone is deliberately lying. Everyone seems to have their own deifintion of what makes someone classify as bisexual. You might simply draw the line somewhere differently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does the sexual act determine orientation? Two examples:

1) A man who is attracted to both sexes but never has the courage to follow through and therefore only engages with women.

2) A man who chooses to be hetrosexual is forced to have sex with another man against his will.

If the sexual act is the sole determining factor then (1) is straight while (2) is bisexual.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world.

So very very true

I said many.

You rewrote everyone.

What exactly are you looking to achieve from this?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think in the heat of the moment you just never know what might happen "

Em no, you really do.

It really is black and white

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was curious for a while. Tried it ( as you do) and found I’m definatly straight. That said I wasn’t repulsed or put off however it also didn’t really float my boat. Not something I’d do again for myself but If I was with a partner and the right situation and he wanted it I’d do it for him.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world.

So very very true

I said many.

You rewrote everyone.

What exactly are you looking to achieve from this?"

When you said many guys lie I take this to mean that some are honest by stating that they are bisexual or bicurious and that others put them down as straight while still approaching men for sex.

I should have said "everyone that you think is lying" but I was expecting people to get the gist of my point rather than word pick me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not in any way.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world.

So very very true

I said many.

You rewrote everyone.

What exactly are you looking to achieve from this?

When you said many guys lie I take this to mean that some are honest by stating that they are bisexual or bicurious and that others put them down as straight while still approaching men for sex.

I should have said "everyone that you think is lying" but I was expecting people to get the gist of my point rather than word pick me."

The word context is very different and I don’t appreciate being misquoted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The thing I find interesting is that on this site, within MF Couples there are many more bi F than bi M !

At face value maybe. Many of the fems aren’t really interested in bi play and many of the guys lie. Funny old world.

So very very true

I said many.

You rewrote everyone.

What exactly are you looking to achieve from this?

When you said many guys lie I take this to mean that some are honest by stating that they are bisexual or bicurious and that others put them down as straight while still approaching men for sex.

I should have said "everyone that you think is lying" but I was expecting people to get the gist of my point rather than word pick me.

The word context is very different and I don’t appreciate being misquoted."

What you said was quoted word for word in quotation marks. So I have not misquoted you.

Because I was reffering to those who were lying it is obvious to anyone who anyone who isn't being deliberately obtuse that I am reffering to the liars and not everyone.

The only place where you were quoted was in the reply and quote section which was left as is.

I don't appreciate being accused of misquoting when the part you are referring to isn't even a quote. Your entire objection doesn't even make sense without taking my words out of context.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no -

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By *iredhandMan
over a year ago

Manchester

Ah the well renowned fab spectrum of sexuality....

Me? No, not even a little bit.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

No! I’m Bisexual and Buck is straight. He is definitely straight, not fab straight!

Bun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I guess if you’d quite like to play with a willy or have a chap play with your willy then yes.

Personally the thought of another chap interacting with my winkie or touching someone else’s winkie makes me recoil and go eww.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! I’m Bisexual and Buck is straight. He is definitely straight, not fab straight!

Bun. "

Awwwwww shame xxxxxxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No! I’m Bisexual and Buck is straight. He is definitely straight, not fab straight!

Bun. "

ps; I play dead straight I be good miss I promise I not touch his will and I even not look at it lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, I think there's a scale and we all sit somewhere on it. I know my mind has wandered before but I've never acted upon it, doesn't drive me that crazy. I can however confidently compliment a great cock and enjoy doing so. Each to their own

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By *ndeenaMan
over a year ago

Upminster

Well. There are only two options to choose in Fab for Bi (Bi-curious or Bi-sexual).

If there is additional option of "can try Bi" or similar then most 'straight'profile will change to this.

Or like the way 'verifications' are displayed if we have option to 'hide' or 'publish' sexual orientation in Fab then most 'straight' profiles will keep it as 'friends only' option.

Trust me it's not easy to be a 'single' profile and keeping 'orientation' truthfully in Fab with limited options.

Most straight profiles will swing to Bi-side definitely during return journey home from a heavy night out (desperate time to receive a BJ).

I won't say I am not typing this in a massive hang over while fighting early morning erection 'single' handedly.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

To me it seems black and white.

Straight means "Won't have sex with others of same gender".

Bisexual means "Will have sex with those of either gender"

Bi-Curious means "Interested in having sex with both genders, but not sure if it is for me yet"

Gay means "Will only have sex with those of the same gender"

Why do you need any other labels?

Cal

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"To me it seems black and white.

Straight means "Won't have sex with others of same gender".

Bisexual means "Will have sex with those of either gender"

Bi-Curious means "Interested in having sex with both genders, but not sure if it is for me yet"

Gay means "Will only have sex with those of the same gender"

Why do you need any other labels?

Cal "

Exactly. I dont think more are needed and people should be relaxed and happy with their sexuality, whichever one describes them.

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over a year ago

Before the Kinsey scale that's how they described it. Black and white.

Because people have the audacity to not fit into these limited pidgeon holes we say they are dishonest.

I will give another catagory just for example. I know bifem couples who go to male orientated bi nights. The men in these couples are quite happy to sit in a hot tub while two men next to then play. I also know people who complain to management when bi men play. So we have bi-friendly. Why distinguish the two? Well the former is one bi people would like to meet and the latter are not.

Not only is there a sliding scale between hetrosexual and homosexual. Bisexual people come in many different flavours for example the bisexual man who could just as easily have a boyfriend as a girlfriend, and then the bisexual man who has no interest any any part of a man above the waist and below the knees.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

I used to think i was bi. But I've gone off the idea.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Which is all well and good in "real life" but within the context of FAB, it's simpler.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Before the Kinsey scale that's how they described it. Black and white.

Because people have the audacity to not fit into these limited pidgeon holes we say they are dishonest.

You are right. At the very 'lowest' end of Kinsey, somebody might struggle whether to select 'bi-curious' or 'bi'. But in lots of cases guys who are clearly not in an undecided band, and really are bi, just don't or won't say so. The labels thing and pigeon holing just seems a load of waffle most of the time to me.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being straight, bi, gay, TV or TS. On a sexual site, people should be proud of what they are and get on having fun with whoever they want. Being bi isn't something to be ashamed of.

Your example about sitting in a hot tub. I'm 'straight straight' and would happily sit in a hot tub with bi guys. I'd chat to them all night and would happily be friends with them. I don't want to watch them fuck and I wouldn't complain to management if they were doing it in a play area.

MrB

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

No, I think I am well past the curious stage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Before the Kinsey scale that's how they described it. Black and white.

Because people have the audacity to not fit into these limited pidgeon holes we say they are dishonest.

MrB"

Pidgeon holing sucks especially when you have 10 kinds of pigeon and only 8 pigeon holes and the 2 pigeons who had to select the hole that "best fit but did not match" are regarded as dishonest.

This reminds me of some websites which will only accept an American Address and a zipcode. So you give a false state and zipcode just so can complete a registration. People would happily supply honest information but the system resticts to limited options, none of which apply.

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By *ndeenaMan
over a year ago

Upminster

What is Pigeon Hole?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Pidgeon holing sucks especially when you have 10 kinds of pigeon and only 8 pigeon holes and the 2 pigeons who had to select the hole that "best fit but did not match" are regarded as dishonest.

Well, most people manage and are happy. I'm straight, you're bi. Nothing wrong with either. But clearly a waste of time us meeting up for a meet. So that works.

If I were bi we could message each other and see if our type of play would work with each other. No different to what straight singles, or mixed sexuality couples do every day.

I'm straight but I don't feel 'pigeon holed' with all the other straight people. We are all different, and most peoples sexuality is fairly easy to describe with what we have.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"What is Pigeon Hole?"

Pigeon Hole comes from a post system used in offices. All the post for 'stores' goes in one pigeon hole box, all the post for 'production' goes in another.

So the term gets used by people who don't want to define themselves as one thing or another.

I'd say someone is bi or someone else is straight. Yossarian (for example) would say I'm 'pigeon holing' them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No im not bi at all. Im very very straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pidgeon holing sucks especially when you have 10 kinds of pigeon and only 8 pigeon holes and the 2 pigeons who had to select the hole that "best fit but did not match" are regarded as dishonest.

Well, most people manage and are happy. I'm straight, you're bi. Nothing wrong with either. But clearly a waste of time us meeting up for a meet. So that works.

If I were bi we could message each other and see if our type of play would work with each other. No different to what straight singles, or mixed sexuality couples do every day.

I'm straight but I don't feel 'pigeon holed' with all the other straight people. We are all different, and most peoples sexuality is fairly easy to describe with what we have."

Actually I have played with an overwhelming majority of straight couples because just because I can play bi does not mean that I have to play bi. If however you are (and I and not saying you are) a person for whom a person's bisexual history is offensive then as much as you wouldn't want to meet me, I wouldn't want to meet you.

Because the is no distinction between "straight biphobic" and straight "straight bifriendly" it is hard to distinguish between the two.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is Pigeon Hole?

Pigeon Hole comes from a post system used in offices. All the post for 'stores' goes in one pigeon hole box, all the post for 'production' goes in another.

So the term gets used by people who don't want to define themselves as one thing or another.

I'd say someone is bi or someone else is straight. Yossarian (for example) would say I'm 'pigeon holing' them."

As a software developer I can tell you that pidgeon holing is necessary if you are going person searches using criteria.

My point is that if there isn't a pigeon hole that accurately describes a particular flavour of sexual orientation then you cannot blame the person who chose an option that didn't actually descibe him if the option that does accurately describe him isn't available.

In 1947 people didn't believe bisexuality existed. A 1947 version of fab would only have Hetrosexual and Homosexual tickboxes. Bisexual men would either have to choose hetrosexual and be accused of being dishonest when they played with women or tick homosexual and be termed dishonest when they played with women.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Because the is no distinction between "straight biphobic" and straight "straight bifriendly" it is hard to distinguish between the two."

I agree, some people are homophobic and you wouldn't want to meet them. Bi on your profile solves that. That discussion is centred around people lying to get meets. It isn't anything to do with a spectrum issue.

I just find the whole hiding sexuality self-defeating. If everyone was open about their sexuality, the stigma you rightly abhor, would reduce.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"What is Pigeon Hole?

Pigeon Hole comes from a post system used in offices. All the post for 'stores' goes in one pigeon hole box, all the post for 'production' goes in another.

So the term gets used by people who don't want to define themselves as one thing or another.

I'd say someone is bi or someone else is straight. Yossarian (for example) would say I'm 'pigeon holing' them.

As a software developer I can tell you that pidgeon holing is necessary if you are going person searches using criteria.

Yes that situation might exist.

I'd suggest that for most people there isn't a problem with defining their sexuality, only a willingness to be open about it.

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

why do people believe gay/bi men are riddled with disease when for years it's been shown straight people are the population with increasing numbers of STI cases than gay/bi men. Very strange, know your facts.

I've never had an STI in my life and I'm an out bi man.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"why do people believe gay/bi men are riddled with disease when for years it's been shown straight people are the population with increasing numbers of STI cases than gay/bi men. Very strange, know your facts.

I've never had an STI in my life and I'm an out bi man. "

Who says they do believe gay/bi men are 'riddled with disease' ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never had an STI in my life and I'm an out bi man.

Who says they do believe gay/bi men are 'riddled with disease' ?"

Well the NHS for a start...

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By *ndeenaMan
over a year ago

Upminster

I am here to have some fun and this is getting more technical.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

I've never had an STI in my life and I'm an out bi man.

Who says they do believe gay/bi men are 'riddled with disease' ?

Well the NHS for a start..."

The term 'riddled with disease' isn't used by the NHS.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What is Pigeon Hole?

Pigeon Hole comes from a post system used in offices. All the post for 'stores' goes in one pigeon hole box, all the post for 'production' goes in another.

So the term gets used by people who don't want to define themselves as one thing or another.

I'd say someone is bi or someone else is straight. Yossarian (for example) would say I'm 'pigeon holing' them.

As a software developer I can tell you that pidgeon holing is necessary if you are going person searches using criteria.

Yes that situation might exist.

I'd suggest that for most people there isn't a problem with defining their sexuality, only a willingness to be open about it."

I realise there are many people who misrepresent themselves for the purpose of deception. I'm not talking about those people.

I am reffering to those who do not feel they fit into bisexual or bicurious. Should they lie and tick one of these boxes to make them more honest?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never had an STI in my life and I'm an out bi man.

Who says they do believe gay/bi men are 'riddled with disease' ?

Well the NHS for a start...

The term 'riddled with disease' isn't used by the NHS."

I am not sure which term they chose to say the same thing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am not remotely bi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The NHS are not interested if I always use a condom. They are not interested in whether I am tested once a month and for nearly 4 years always come up clean. They are not interested that I am discerning about who I sleep with and that refrain where possible from sexual intercourse with people I know play bareback.

I fit into a category they have decided is high risk. Not that it bothers me in the slightest but when my gf does the responsible thing and has testing done with them they treat her like a criminal because her boyfriend is bi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've never had an STI in my life and I'm an out bi man. "

This is because ALL gay/bi men have unprotected anal sex. No hetrosexual women EVER have unprotected anal sex.

Bisexual/gay men also give blowjobs. Something women never do.

This has been proven by unsubjective studies. Apparently your sexual orientation is more likely to determine whether get an STI than where you insist on safe sex or not. Go figure...

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"The NHS are not interested if I always use a condom. They are not interested in whether I am tested once a month and for nearly 4 years always come up clean. They are not interested that I am discerning about who I sleep with and that refrain where possible from sexual intercourse with people I know play bareback.

They are interested, because they want you to remain healthy as possible. They do offer increased services for groups *statistically* at higher risk. A massive nationwide organisation can't operate in any other way.

The nhs say that the under 25s are the group statistically most at risk from STIs. Participants in M2M sex are second statistically at risk.

As a software developer you surely understand statistical probability, and that being in a particular group of anything doesn't mean or imply you have all the characteristics of that group.

No one says under 25s are disease ridden and they don't say that about bi men either (homophobic extremists excepted).

We also go for regular testing. As swingers we are also in a higher risk group, than monogamous couples.

You might feel stigmatised by being in a higher risk group, but using phrases 'like disease ridden' feels like 'you' are lashing out at people who are actually understanding and totally accepting of you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no we are not

I'm 110 % gay !!

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over a year ago

The nhs say that the under 25s are the group statistically most at risk from STIs. Participants in M2M sex are second statistically at risk.

As a software developer you surely understand statistical probability, and that being in a particular group of anything doesn't mean or imply you have all the characteristics of that group.

No one says under 25s are disease ridden and they don't say that about bi men either (homophobic extremists excepted).

We also go for regular testing. As swingers we are also in a higher risk group, than monogamous couples.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"We also go for regular testing. As swingers we are also in a higher risk group, than monogamous couples.

I don't know how often sex workers should get tested, and it doesn't affect me one way or the other. We go every 12 weeks as they recommend.

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"no we are not

I'm 110 % gay !!

So you’re not 100% gay then

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over a year ago

The nhs say that the under 25s are the group statistically most at risk from STIs. Participants in M2M sex are second statistically at risk.

As a software developer you surely understand statistical probability, and that being in a particular group of anything doesn't mean or imply you have all the characteristics of that group.

No one says under 25s are disease ridden and they don't say that about bi men either (homophobic extremists excepted).

We also go for regular testing. As swingers we are also in a higher risk group, than monogamous couples.

As a person who makes a living out of data collection and analysis I can tell you that collecting the wrong data can lead to the wrong conclusion.

Was the survey done on high risk groups done on people who used protection or people who didn't use protection or both?

I once read an article that drivers of German luxury saloon cars were responsible for a majority of road deaths. The article got their data from a statistic that most speeding fines were issued to drivers of the aforementioned cars and that speed was the highest factor in road deaths....

Have you ever watched a parliamentary debate where statistics are used to present one argument and statistics used to backup the counter argument?

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over a year ago

"We also go for regular testing. As swingers we are also in a higher risk group, than monogamous couples.

I don't know how often sex workers should get tested, and it doesn't affect me one way or the other. We go every 12 weeks as they recommend."
3 monthly is the sex workers recommendation too , I go 3 monthly too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For me , I didn't discover my bi side until my late 20s, only thing I would say is bi and gay guys are more promiscuous but in saying that a heterosexual couple wanted to meet me last night for bareback only which I declined. I love the lifestyle but health is Paramount

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"no we are not

I'm 110 % gay !!

So you’re not 100% gay then

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no an extra 10 % just to make sure

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By *ay.81Man
over a year ago

I’m bi - need more experience only with men with big cocks

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

The nhs say that the under 25s are the group statistically most at risk from STIs. Participants in M2M sex are second statistically at risk.

As a software developer you surely understand statistical probability, and that being in a particular group of anything doesn't mean or imply you have all the characteristics of that group.

No one says under 25s are disease ridden and they don't say that about bi men either (homophobic extremists excepted).

We also go for regular testing. As swingers we are also in a higher risk group, than monogamous couples.

As a person who makes a living out of data collection and analysis I can tell you that collecting the wrong data can lead to the wrong conclusion.

Was the survey done on high risk groups done on people who used protection or people who didn't use protection or both?

Have you ever watched a parliamentary debate where statistics are used to present one argument and statistics used to backup the counter argument?

As you know, when you get tested, you fill in the sheet. It's fairly straightforward to then say under 25s formed the highest single group.

It isn't bashing anybody. They czn then offer the most intensive support and advertising etc to where it's going to do most good.

Yes, those debates are conducted by serial liars pushing an agenda. The nhs is trying to help the most people as best it can on a limited budget.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Two interesting things about Malawi.

It has the highest incidence of HIV in the world.

Homosexuality is against the law and has been since 1891.