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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not doing a good job if you're the only one who remembered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you for mentioning it, I honestly did not know.

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Not doing a good job if you're the only one who remembered "

I saw it on twitter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance? "

Remembering what?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?"

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just googled it never even knew they had a trans rememberence day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans."

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

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By *LCC OP   Couple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?"

Probably

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?"

.....of course there is

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?"

Cut that shit out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

Cut that shit out."

So you're saying there can't be a day of mourning for gays who get killed for being gay?

Don't get your knickers in a twist!

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

Cut that shit out.

So you're saying there can't be a day of mourning for gays who get killed for being gay?

Don't get your knickers in a twist!"

Not what she's saying at all. You're statement came across as imflammatory like why do trans people get their own special day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?"

There's always one

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By *tephTV67TV/TS
over a year ago

Cheshire


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?"

Google it and find out, if you believe another group deserve a day of remembrance then certainly petition for it, as obviously the Trans community did and it was granted.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Thanks for the reminder OP. I knew about the day but wasn't aware it was today.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

Cut that shit out.

So you're saying there can't be a day of mourning for gays who get killed for being gay?

Don't get your knickers in a twist!

Not what she's saying at all. You're statement came across as imflammatory like why do trans people get their own special day"

People shouldn't assume then, should they!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

There's always one "

Back at you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

Google it and find out, if you believe another group deserve a day of remembrance then certainly petition for it, as obviously the Trans community did and it was granted. "

i took the easy option and asked here because as a collective, forumites have a wealth of knowledge.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Keep it civil please

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I think everyone should have their day, cannot remember the last time I had steak.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"I think everyone should have their day, cannot remember the last time I had steak."

Slight difference between a steak day and a day to remember people who were murdered just for beings trans

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe

Too right my trans girlfriend told me this morning shocking how some have been treated over the years and still are

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills


"I think everyone should have their day, cannot remember the last time I had steak.

Slight difference between a steak day and a day to remember people who were murdered just for beings trans"

Me, I celebrate life as well death, in my world it’s remembering the feeling associated about what happened. I think it’s great that there i is a trigger to fire those feelings off.

And that trigger will have values and beliefs behind it.

Juxtaposition isn’t a slur, just an understanding about the spectrum of life we live in.

You have every right to call for a trigger, I have ever right to eat steak.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Brazil is aparently the 'capital' of crime against trans persons, 117 killed (that are known of). I agree this is shocking, nobody to deserves to die for their gender, sexuality whatever. It is thought one factor us that Brazil is a deeply religious country, mainly Catholic until recently. You know the type, religious but intolerant. So what is the trans community's latest ploy to raise awareness of their plight? Put on a musical portraying Jesus in the body of a transgender woman. Complete with high heels and sparkles. Does anybody else feel this will turn a religious society even more against the trans community?? Just makes no sense to me. Kind of how I feel about many of the loudest trans activists here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How does one know these Trans were murdered for being Trans..

Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

Oh great, more identity politics. Just what a fractured society needs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"How does one know these Trans were murdered for being Trans..

Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans"

a) Because there's documented proof that a lot of them were and

b) Statistically it stands a fair chance that one or two of them were murdered by Christians, particularly in Brazil where LGBT hate crimes are rife.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"How does one know these Trans were murdered for being Trans..

Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans"

Ha...ha...hahahaha. yeah, devout Christians have a really tolerant past with no violence involved in it at all against minorities

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said Devout Christians....Those that follow the simple teaching of Christ, that are love, mercy and forgiveness....

Those that persecute and murder others are not Christians as their works reveal that they are not followers of Christ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I said Devout Christians....Those that follow the simple teaching of Christ, that are love, mercy and forgiveness....

Those that persecute and murder others are not Christians as their works reveal that they are not followers of Christ..."

Do those same standards apply to other religions or just Christians?

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury

There has been over 180 people killed this year across the would just for being transgender so yes let’s remember them

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury

All about religion does it not say in the Bible that god took a rib out of Adam to make eve does that then make eve transgender only saying

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By *andy6677Man
over a year ago

crewe


"There has been over 180 people killed this year across the would just for being transgender so yes let’s remember them "

Amen to that

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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Wasn't aware of this day. It's awful there even has to be a day for it.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Wasn't aware of this day. It's awful there even has to be a day for it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human."

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of my friends got attacked at a pride event last year for being trans. Even the LGBT community isn't safe thankfully he recovered and is doing pretty well now, but stories like his and the poor people murdered are why we need today

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same."

That's incorrect.

I apologise for this comparison. I disagree with people putting cheese with beans. Yes I know that's nowhere near as big a deal but the point is I am not intolerant to cheesy bean eaters. It's just not for me.

Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance? "

I did not know. I'm saddened that it still happens x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

That's incorrect.

I apologise for this comparison. I disagree with people putting cheese with beans. Yes I know that's nowhere near as big a deal but the point is I am not intolerant to cheesy bean eaters. It's just not for me.

Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that."

This 100%

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

That's incorrect.

I apologise for this comparison. I disagree with people putting cheese with beans. Yes I know that's nowhere near as big a deal but the point is I am not intolerant to cheesy bean eaters. It's just not for me.

Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

This 100%"

I disagree.I do not feel I have to respect every other opinion.

Disagreeing with mixing certain foods is fine if you mean you won't eat them.Not fine if you disagree with others rights to eat them if they really have to.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


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Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that."

If you don't believe in changing sex or gender, don't do it. It has zero effect on you if other people do it.

And the topic of this thread is a day remembering those trans people who have lost their lives due to violence, not whether or not you think being trans is acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same."

Stupid thing to say got your knickers in a twist.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same."

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

Stupid thing to say got your knickers in a twist. "

And here comes Kirsty calling anyone that disagrees stupid again... change the fucking record love

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

If you don't believe in changing sex or gender, don't do it. It has zero effect on you if other people do it.

And the topic of this thread is a day remembering those trans people who have lost their lives due to violence, not whether or not you think being trans is acceptable. "

As I mentioned, intolerance exists on a sliding scale from the low level 'I don't agree with it' to the high level 'I hate it'.

Its absolutely fine to say 'I would never change in that way'. Its not fine to say 'you can't or you shouldn't'.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me... "

I won't accuse you of a hate crime, but I'll ask you why you think telling anyone you don't approve of their life choice (which doesn't harm you at all) is necessary or appropriate?

What does it achieve other than making people feel bad?

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

That's incorrect.

I apologise for this comparison. I disagree with people putting cheese with beans. Yes I know that's nowhere near as big a deal but the point is I am not intolerant to cheesy bean eaters. It's just not for me.

Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

This 100%

I disagree.I do not feel I have to respect every other opinion.

Disagreeing with mixing certain foods is fine if you mean you won't eat them.Not fine if you disagree with others rights to eat them if they really have to."

If you don't respect other peoples opinions then there's not much point in me answering that really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

If you don't believe in changing sex or gender, don't do it. It has zero effect on you if other people do it.

And the topic of this thread is a day remembering those trans people who have lost their lives due to violence, not whether or not you think being trans is acceptable.

As I mentioned, intolerance exists on a sliding scale from the low level 'I don't agree with it' to the high level 'I hate it'.

Its absolutely fine to say 'I would never change in that way'. Its not fine to say 'you can't or you shouldn't'."

And maybe people don't like being told what its ok to think. As far as I can see you are the intolerant one. Intolerant of anyone who is not 100% in agreement with transgender. I would have thought you would pick yoyr battkes, concentrate on those that really disagree and cause problems. But i feel you just want any battle, make a noise, get attention. It's more about you than your cause

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

If you don't believe in changing sex or gender, don't do it. It has zero effect on you if other people do it.

And the topic of this thread is a day remembering those trans people who have lost their lives due to violence, not whether or not you think being trans is acceptable. "

You've taken my comment out of context. But yes we have lost the original point of the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me... "

Ah but I do respect other people's rights to their beliefs in so far as it applies to themselves, not when they apply those beliefs to others.

I also do not blame you or the previous poster for any hatred or intolerance that I have ever faced, I just pointed out that intolerance comes in many forms.

For anyone to say they either agree or disagree with my 'way of life',I would say that you first need to know about it and no one can know anyone else's heart and mind in that way.

So I repeat my point, it's fine for anyone to say that they have no need to undergo those changes but it's not fine to say that you disagree with another persons need.How could you possibly know?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

I won't accuse you of a hate crime, but I'll ask you why you think telling anyone you don't approve of their life choice (which doesn't harm you at all) is necessary or appropriate?

What does it achieve other than making people feel bad? "

I don't disapprove if someone wants to do it, I just don't believe in the basis for it. But every thread on the subject has told me thats not good enough. I have to be a flag waving, card carrying supporter of trans or I am a stupid hater stuck in the dark ages committing hate crimes. Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad? I wouldnt just tell a trans person my views unless they engaged me in discussion about it. This is a forum for discussion so...

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

I won't accuse you of a hate crime, but I'll ask you why you think telling anyone you don't approve of their life choice (which doesn't harm you at all) is necessary or appropriate?

What does it achieve other than making people feel bad?

I don't disapprove if someone wants to do it, I just don't believe in the basis for it. But every thread on the subject has told me thats not good enough. I have to be a flag waving, card carrying supporter of trans or I am a stupid hater stuck in the dark ages committing hate crimes. Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad? I wouldnt just tell a trans person my views unless they engaged me in discussion about it. This is a forum for discussion so... "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

Ah but I do respect other people's rights to their beliefs in so far as it applies to themselves, not when they apply those beliefs to others.

I also do not blame you or the previous poster for any hatred or intolerance that I have ever faced, I just pointed out that intolerance comes in many forms.

For anyone to say they either agree or disagree with my 'way of life',I would say that you first need to know about it and no one can know anyone else's heart and mind in that way.

So I repeat my point, it's fine for anyone to say that they have no need to undergo those changes but it's not fine to say that you disagree with another persons need.How could you possibly know?

"

You said disagreeing is a form of intolerance. And

"It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred."

So yes seems to me you are stating a direct causal link, people that disagree with trans are allowing hatred and causing death. But its ok for you to say that?

No I feel this intolerance of others viewpoints is just ending with people saying well, fuck them. So you are shooting your cause in the foot really

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

I won't accuse you of a hate crime, but I'll ask you why you think telling anyone you don't approve of their life choice (which doesn't harm you at all) is necessary or appropriate?

What does it achieve other than making people feel bad?

I don't disapprove if someone wants to do it, I just don't believe in the basis for it. But every thread on the subject has told me thats not good enough. I have to be a flag waving, card carrying supporter of trans or I am a stupid hater stuck in the dark ages committing hate crimes. Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad? I wouldnt just tell a trans person my views unless they engaged me in discussion about it. This is a forum for discussion so... "

It's a forum for discussion where this particular topic is the day for remembering trans people who were killed. It is not really the appropriate context to bring up your opinion on the right/wrongness of being trans.

"Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad?" - do you care if your unasked for opinion makes other people feel bad? why do you need to tell people you disapprove of their lives when they haven't asked you?

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

I won't accuse you of a hate crime, but I'll ask you why you think telling anyone you don't approve of their life choice (which doesn't harm you at all) is necessary or appropriate?

What does it achieve other than making people feel bad?

I don't disapprove if someone wants to do it, I just don't believe in the basis for it. But every thread on the subject has told me thats not good enough. I have to be a flag waving, card carrying supporter of trans or I am a stupid hater stuck in the dark ages committing hate crimes. Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad? I wouldnt just tell a trans person my views unless they engaged me in discussion about it. This is a forum for discussion so...

It's a forum for discussion where this particular topic is the day for remembering trans people who were killed. It is not really the appropriate context to bring up your opinion on the right/wrongness of being trans.

"Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad?" - do you care if your unasked for opinion makes other people feel bad? why do you need to tell people you disapprove of their lives when they haven't asked you? "

Jen didn't start the ball rolling on this. Nor did I yet you have you have jumped on both of us.

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over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

See this is the issue I meant in my first post. When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause. You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all. Never mind smashing a nut with a hammer. You are smashing the wrong nuts entirely. Now am just waiting for the first accusation of "hate crime" against me...

I won't accuse you of a hate crime, but I'll ask you why you think telling anyone you don't approve of their life choice (which doesn't harm you at all) is necessary or appropriate?

What does it achieve other than making people feel bad?

I don't disapprove if someone wants to do it, I just don't believe in the basis for it. But every thread on the subject has told me thats not good enough. I have to be a flag waving, card carrying supporter of trans or I am a stupid hater stuck in the dark ages committing hate crimes. Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad? I wouldnt just tell a trans person my views unless they engaged me in discussion about it. This is a forum for discussion so...

It's a forum for discussion where this particular topic is the day for remembering trans people who were killed. It is not really the appropriate context to bring up your opinion on the right/wrongness of being trans.

"Nobody seems to care if that makes me feel bad?" - do you care if your unasked for opinion makes other people feel bad? why do you need to tell people you disapprove of their lives when they haven't asked you? "

Didn't I just answer these exact same questions from you?? Excuse me if I dont go through it all again. And if you look back at my first post it was certainly in relation to the topic, speaking of the 117 deaths in Brazil which I stated were awful. Subsequent posts carried the thread to where we are now. But yeah don't let the facts get in the way there, tar and feather me quick

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


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Didn't I just answer these exact same questions from you?? Excuse me if I dont go through it all again. And if you look back at my first post it was certainly in relation to the topic, speaking of the 117 deaths in Brazil which I stated were awful. Subsequent posts carried the thread to where we are now. But yeah don't let the facts get in the way there, tar and feather me quick"

I've asked you twice why you actually need to tell trans people you don't approve of them, and you haven't given a reason either time.

Maybe because you know there isn't really a good reason why?

And there's no need to get dramatic. Some questions on a swinging forum are not exactly the same as being tarred and feathered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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Didn't I just answer these exact same questions from you?? Excuse me if I dont go through it all again. And if you look back at my first post it was certainly in relation to the topic, speaking of the 117 deaths in Brazil which I stated were awful. Subsequent posts carried the thread to where we are now. But yeah don't let the facts get in the way there, tar and feather me quick

I've asked you twice why you actually need to tell trans people you don't approve of them, and you haven't given a reason either time.

Maybe because you know there isn't really a good reason why?

And there's no need to get dramatic. Some questions on a swinging forum are not exactly the same as being tarred and feathered.

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When the very intolerant read the opinions of the slightly intolerant (but more articulate) and use that as a justification for their own extreme intolerance, then that can lead to problems.it can lead to hatred and it can lead to violence.

I'm sure any reasonable person can see the parallels with other forms of intolerance, not just trans issues.

The slight intolerance of more intelligent people can fuel the greater intolerance of less intelligent people.

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By *xplorer13Man
over a year ago

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Right I know nothing about this, but is it people who have died in the wars? Obviously not the first or second, but Iraq and Afghanistan? Is this what the day is about? If so I totally support it!!!

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over a year ago

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By *xplorer13Man
over a year ago

glenrothes

Right I know nothing about this, but is it people who have died in the wars? Obviously not the first or second, but Iraq and Afghanistan? Is this what the day is about? If so I totally support it!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Surely being on a swinging site you get that you don't need to understand nor approve of other people's lifestyles?

People everyday are being attacked and killed for being trans, this thread is a way of raising awareness of that and remembering those people who were killed simply for living their lives.

Yet people still feel the need to come on the thread shouting about how much they disagree with trans people

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"Surely being on a swinging site you get that you don't need to understand nor approve of other people's lifestyles?

People everyday are being attacked and killed for being trans, this thread is a way of raising awareness of that and remembering those people who were killed simply for living their lives.

Yet people still feel the need to come on the thread shouting about how much they disagree with trans people "

Unfortunately it happens on literally every single trans related thread. This thread should have been a moment for people to stop and think about those that have died and to strive to stop things like this from happening. But as usual, it's devolved into a slanging match from people that don't agree with trans people coming in just to state that fact without there being a need for it to be mentioned at all. If there was one for men or women being murdered for choosing to have blonde hair you wouldn't see anyone coming out to say, I don't agree with blonde hair. They would just realise how disgusting a situation that would be, leave a supportive comment and get on with their day

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

Google it and find out, if you believe another group deserve a day of remembrance then certainly petition for it, as obviously the Trans community did and it was granted.

i took the easy option and asked here because as a collective, forumites have a wealth of knowledge."

The candlelit vigil held every year on the last day of Manchester pride weekend is extremely moving.

It’s held to remember all the ‘gay guys’ who’ve died, from aids, homophobic violence and by their own hand.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out."

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for the initial post;

Yes I knew. I saw and responded on FB.

I didn’t post about it here because of the way these threads tend to deteriorate. Why people get their backs up so quickly I never know.

If we talk about ‘pride’ some idiot will ask when straight pride is. You don’t need to stand up to be counted as a straight person. This country never made being straight a criminal offence. This country never subjected people like you to methods tantamount to torture to try to change their sexuality.

Trans people are years and years behind the gay community in regards to awareness and acceptance and I see no reason why we can’t have days and/or events that raise awareness of us and our right to exist.

When they decided to have rememberence day did anyone ask if we had a day to remember all the cyclists killed on our roads?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Right I know nothing about this, but is it people who have died in the wars? Obviously not the first or second, but Iraq and Afghanistan? Is this what the day is about? If so I totally support it!!!"

Rememberence day is now observed by the younger generations more to remember people lost in those wars than the world wars.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Trans Remembrance Day is about those deliberately murdered just for being who they are - not accidentally killed, but deliberately murdered.

There have been over 270 reported murders of trans and gender non-conforming people in the past year so far, worldwide - and that's just the ones reported as such, it does not include those mis-reported as murdered for other reasons.

Many of these murders have been appallingly brutal and inflicted with total hatred and suffering - because of bigotry.

There have been a total of 2,609 reported cases in 71 countries worldwide since Transgender Day of Remembrance began in January 2008.

These include some of my own friends - people that I knew in life - now dead just because of who they were. I remember them.

If anyone feels that this is something to poke fun at - or to denigrate in any way - then they should take a good hard look at themselves.

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By *arteeneWoman
over a year ago

aylesbury


"Trans Remembrance Day is about those deliberately murdered just for being who they are - not accidentally killed, but deliberately murdered.

There have been over 270 reported murders of trans and gender non-conforming people in the past year so far, worldwide - and that's just the ones reported as such, it does not include those mis-reported as murdered for other reasons.

Many of these murders have been appallingly brutal and inflicted with total hatred and suffering - because of bigotry.

There have been a total of 2,609 reported cases in 71 countries worldwide since Transgender Day of Remembrance began in January 2008.

These include some of my own friends - people that I knew in life - now dead just because of who they were. I remember them.

If anyone feels that this is something to poke fun at - or to denigrate in any way - then they should take a good hard look at themselves.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

"

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london

Really marvellous to see genuine emotional intelligence countering some genuinely appalling insensitivity here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms"

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics "

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?"

Good grief.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

Good grief. "

Good grief a logical question. How dare they! Don't they know I'm in a special group of victims that is beyond reproach.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?"

What is actually your problem here, if you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to a 'specific sure set' then don't. Why do you feel the need to come here and try to argue or upset those that are? Please use basic human decency and save your arguements for a time and place where it's warranted or appropriate. This is not that place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Mexicans have a holiday called "The day of the dead" which I think is much better as it celebrates the loss of loved ones no matter what label they applied to themselves.

There seems to be a "day" for everything now and the more "days" there are, the more meaningless they become.

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By *zamiWoman
over a year ago

LONDON


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?"

There's a day for remembering the holocaust, international womens day, international mens day, plus of course the various lgbt pride celebrations to name a few

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By *inkyChrissy99TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

What is actually your problem here, if you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to a 'specific sure set' then don't. Why do you feel the need to come here and try to argue or upset those that are? Please use basic human decency and save your arguements for a time and place where it's warranted or appropriate. This is not that place"

"Holds hand and doesn't say a word as no more are necessary"

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

What is actually your problem here, if you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to a 'specific sure set' then don't. Why do you feel the need to come here and try to argue or upset those that are? Please use basic human decency and save your arguements for a time and place where it's warranted or appropriate. This is not that place"

Well that's a poor attempt at framing the arguement to suit yourself. It's a public forum, not an echo chamber just for people that agree with you. I didn't say they shouldn't be remembered, to use your own framing; why don't you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to people murdered because of their race or by ex-partners? Why is it not a rememberance for all people murdered as the result of a hate crime?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"The Mexicans have a holiday called "The day of the dead" which I think is much better as it celebrates the loss of loved ones no matter what label they applied to themselves.

There seems to be a "day" for everything now and the more "days" there are, the more meaningless they become."

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"The Mexicans have a holiday called "The day of the dead" which I think is much better as it celebrates the loss of loved ones no matter what label they applied to themselves.

There seems to be a "day" for everything now and the more "days" there are, the more meaningless they become."

You're projecting.

They are not meaningless to those for whom they have meaning.

It's really that simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely being on a swinging site you get that you don't need to understand nor approve of other people's lifestyles?

People everyday are being attacked and killed for being trans, this thread is a way of raising awareness of that and remembering those people who were killed simply for living their lives.

Yet people still feel the need to come on the thread shouting about how much they disagree with trans people "

This ,I 110% agreed with. We suffer enough hatred in the outside world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

That's incorrect.

I apologise for this comparison. I disagree with people putting cheese with beans. Yes I know that's nowhere near as big a deal but the point is I am not intolerant to cheesy bean eaters. It's just not for me.

Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

This 100%

I disagree.I do not feel I have to respect every other opinion.

Disagreeing with mixing certain foods is fine if you mean you won't eat them.Not fine if you disagree with others rights to eat them if they really have to."

And in the same way that you disagree with her, she has the right to disagree with you.

And actually fear and ignorance fuel hatred, not simply holding different belifes.

I personally dont think people should be allowed to transition until they are a minimum of 18 years old, but that doesnt mean i hate under 18 trans people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wasn't aware of this day. It's awful there even has to be a day for it."

Raising awareness is a good thing. It's an awful travesty for anyone to be murdered for what they are or what they believe in.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

What is actually your problem here, if you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to a 'specific sure set' then don't. Why do you feel the need to come here and try to argue or upset those that are? Please use basic human decency and save your arguements for a time and place where it's warranted or appropriate. This is not that place

Well that's a poor attempt at framing the arguement to suit yourself. It's a public forum, not an echo chamber just for people that agree with you. I didn't say they shouldn't be remembered, to use your own framing; why don't you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to people murdered because of their race or by ex-partners? Why is it not a rememberance for all people murdered as the result of a hate crime? "

Jesus fucking Christ, my whole point was I didn't want a arguement so I wasn't 'framing an arguement to suit myself'. Public forum whilst meaning it's open to everyone, does mean that everyone 'should' comment, if it doesn't affect you personally then why would you feel the need to comment. At what point have I ever said that I don't reflect on other tragedies that happen to people? That's you putting words in my mouth to try to bolster your own arguement. There are many other days to remember such things, do you argue that black history month should exist as it only affected a 'subset of society'? There are many days for remembering and reflecting on things that have happened to other minorities, do you spout on your vitriol on armistice Day that we should remember everyone that has ever been killed and not just the soldiers and others that the atrocities of war affected?

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over a year ago


"The Mexicans have a holiday called "The day of the dead" which I think is much better as it celebrates the loss of loved ones no matter what label they applied to themselves.

There seems to be a "day" for everything now and the more "days" there are, the more meaningless they become.

You're projecting.

They are not meaningless to those for whom they have meaning.

It's really that simple.

"

I'm not projecting, just saying it how it is.

There is pretty much a "day" for everything and people get numb to it which pretty much throws raising awareness out the window

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over a year ago


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human.

If you don't agree with 'sex changes', I would suggest you don't have one then.No one is forcing you.

It's intolerance that leads to hatred that leads to minority groups needing to have days of remembrance to honour victims of that hatred.

Disagreeing with the way someone else needs to live their life may not be any where near that level of intolerance but it's a form of intolerance all the same.

That's incorrect.

I apologise for this comparison. I disagree with people putting cheese with beans. Yes I know that's nowhere near as big a deal but the point is I am not intolerant to cheesy bean eaters. It's just not for me.

Some people do not believe in changing sex or gender. You should respect that.

This 100%

I disagree.I do not feel I have to respect every other opinion.

Disagreeing with mixing certain foods is fine if you mean you won't eat them.Not fine if you disagree with others rights to eat them if they really have to.

And in the same way that you disagree with her, she has the right to disagree with you.

And actually fear and ignorance fuel hatred, not simply holding different belifes.

I personally dont think people should be allowed to transition until they are a minimum of 18 years old, but that doesnt mean i hate under 18 trans people"

And it doesnt mean it doesnt upset me to hear that someone was killed for being who they want to be just because someone else doesnt like it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance?

Remembering what?

Trans people who have been killed for being trans.

Is there a day of mourning for other groups too?

Google it and find out, if you believe another group deserve a day of remembrance then certainly petition for it, as obviously the Trans community did and it was granted.

i took the easy option and asked here because as a collective, forumites have a wealth of knowledge.

The candlelit vigil held every year on the last day of Manchester pride weekend is extremely moving.

It’s held to remember all the ‘gay guys’ who’ve died, from aids, homophobic violence and by their own hand. "

Aww thank you.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

What is actually your problem here, if you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to a 'specific sure set' then don't. Why do you feel the need to come here and try to argue or upset those that are? Please use basic human decency and save your arguements for a time and place where it's warranted or appropriate. This is not that place

Well that's a poor attempt at framing the arguement to suit yourself. It's a public forum, not an echo chamber just for people that agree with you. I didn't say they shouldn't be remembered, to use your own framing; why don't you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to people murdered because of their race or by ex-partners? Why is it not a rememberance for all people murdered as the result of a hate crime? "

They have a point though. Personally I find the whole remembrance Sunday thing over jingoistic and tending to glorify war. However if someone started a thread relating to that about remembering people killed in wars, it would be grossly insensitive of me to butt in with my views.

We have a right to say what we like and be offensive. We don't have the obligation.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

What is actually your problem here, if you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to a 'specific sure set' then don't. Why do you feel the need to come here and try to argue or upset those that are? Please use basic human decency and save your arguements for a time and place where it's warranted or appropriate. This is not that place

Well that's a poor attempt at framing the arguement to suit yourself. It's a public forum, not an echo chamber just for people that agree with you. I didn't say they shouldn't be remembered, to use your own framing; why don't you don't feel the need to reflect upon tragedies happening to people murdered because of their race or by ex-partners? Why is it not a rememberance for all people murdered as the result of a hate crime?

Jesus fucking Christ, my whole point was I didn't want a arguement so I wasn't 'framing an arguement to suit myself'. Public forum whilst meaning it's open to everyone, does mean that everyone 'should' comment, if it doesn't affect you personally then why would you feel the need to comment. At what point have I ever said that I don't reflect on other tragedies that happen to people? That's you putting words in my mouth to try to bolster your own arguement. There are many other days to remember such things, do you argue that black history month should exist as it only affected a 'subset of society'? There are many days for remembering and reflecting on things that have happened to other minorities, do you spout on your vitriol on armistice Day that we should remember everyone that has ever been killed and not just the soldiers and others that the atrocities of war affected?"

I'll comment if i want to, thats my liberty and you dont get to decide for me. To answer your questions, no i don't agree with black history month for the same reasons morgan freeman doesn't. Armistice is thanking people who made sacrifice, not mourning victims so your logic doesn't follow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Let's break this down:

"When you take people that are saying "I don't agree with your way of life but I will not hold it against you or wish you any harm because of it" these are the very people that are trying hard to accept you despite a difference in your core beliefs. Yet you basically blame them for all the hate and intolerance you face, well that is when I lose all sympathy for your cause."

First, I fail to see where anyone on this thread has 'blamed you for all the hate and intolerance they've faced.'

Second, just because you are 'trying hard to accept trans people' doesn't mean that you are somehow exempt from criticism when you express your views on the matter.

"You want everyone to respect your rights while not respecting their rights to their own beliefs. It's fucking hypocrisy and you do your cause no good, no good at all."

Actually, NO-ONE has said that you don't have the right to believe that their 'way of life' is wrong.

What people have done is express THEIR right to criticise your disapproval, and to ask you to JUSTIFY your views; something which you have repeatedly refused to do.

"I wouldnt just tell a trans person my views unless they engaged me in discussion about it. This is a forum for discussion so..."

Except that this is EXACTLY what you just did...you came into a forum designed to promote the remembrance of victims of hate crimes, and used it as a platform to give your opinion - which NO-ONE asked for - as to the 'basis' for identifying as trans...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

Good grief.

Good grief a logical question. How dare they! Don't they know I'm in a special group of victims that is beyond reproach. "

The empathy is astounding! Anyone of us could be murdered for a multitude of reasons but when you belong to group that is targeted, and transgender is just one of those groups, the probability rises. Awareness of this is a positive thing even if it's to merely support these groups.

We see this in refugees seeking asylum.

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"The Mexicans have a holiday called "The day of the dead" which I think is much better as it celebrates the loss of loved ones no matter what label they applied to themselves.

There seems to be a "day" for everything now and the more "days" there are, the more meaningless they become.

You're projecting.

They are not meaningless to those for whom they have meaning.

It's really that simple.

I'm not projecting, just saying it how it is.

There is pretty much a "day" for everything and people get numb to it which pretty much throws raising awareness out the window"

But you are projecting, and have done so again.

May I ask, is it a term you're familiar with?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'll comment if i want to, thats my liberty and you dont get to decide for me. To answer your questions, no i don't agree with black history month for the same reasons morgan freeman doesn't. Armistice is thanking people who made sacrifice, not mourning victims so your logic doesn't follow. "

1. No one is saying that you can't comment on this thread. However, if you have the right to comment herein, then other people have the right to criticise what you say.

2. Freeman disagrees with BHM because 'Black History is American History.' He views Black History as being integral to American History, so it's place in the school curriculum should NOT be confined to a single month of the year.

3. Actually, we DO 'mourn the victims of war' on Armistice. Acts of Remembrance on 11/11 are not just concerned with the troops who sacrificed their lives, but the countless non-combatants and civilians who were killed as a result of war.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I'll comment if i want to, thats my liberty and you dont get to decide for me. To answer your questions, no i don't agree with black history month for the same reasons morgan freeman doesn't. Armistice is thanking people who made sacrifice, not mourning victims so your logic doesn't follow.

1. No one is saying that you can't comment on this thread. However, if you have the right to comment herein, then other people have the right to criticise what you say.

2. Freeman disagrees with BHM because 'Black History is American History.' He views Black History as being integral to American History, so it's place in the school curriculum should NOT be confined to a single month of the year.

3. Actually, we DO 'mourn the victims of war' on Armistice. Acts of Remembrance on 11/11 are not just concerned with the troops who sacrificed their lives, but the countless non-combatants and civilians who were killed as a result of war."

1. Wrong read the thread

2. Exactly what i said

3. Wrong:

Remembrance Day (sometimes known informally as Poppy Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth of Nations member states since the end of the First World War to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

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Let’s remember xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3. Wrong: Remembrance Day (sometimes known informally as Poppy Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth of Nations member states since the end of the First World War to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty"

Err...so you disagree with the Royal British Legion, the organisation that oversees 'The Poppy Appeal'?

"In the presence of Her Majesty The Queen and members of the Royal Family, Emeli Sande, Tom Odell, Melanie C, Alfie Boe and Lesley Garrett perform alongside The Queen’s Colour Squadron and The Band of HM Royal Marines. From the two World Wars to present day conflict, as the poppy petals fall, the Festival will remember ALL VICTIMS OF WAR and those that made the ultimate sacrifice."

http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/remembrance/remembrance-events/festival-of-remembrance-2017/

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let’s remember xx"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have always been a live and let live person. One of my best friends is a trans female and it makes no difference whatsoever to our relationship. I knew her before transition and she is still the same lovely person on the inside, the only difference being that she is now much happier with the person on the outside.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"3. Wrong: Remembrance Day (sometimes known informally as Poppy Day) is a memorial day observed in Commonwealth of Nations member states since the end of the First World War to remember the members of their armed forces who have died in the line of duty"

Also, while the 'Poppy Appeal' is run by the Royal British Legion - which focuses PRIMARILY upon veterans of the Armed Forces - acts of remembrance on 'Poppy Day' are NOT the exclusive preserve of the RBL.

As I said, Acts of Remembrance on 11/11 are not just concerned with the troops who sacrificed their lives, but the countless non-combatants and civilians who were killed as a result of war.

For example, the Peace Pledge Union has been running it's 'White Poppy' campaign since 1934; the pacifist No More War Movement introduced the concept of the White Poppy in 1926.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As I said, Acts of Remembrance on 11/11 are not just concerned with the troops who sacrificed their lives, but the countless non-combatants and civilians who were killed as a result of war."

As an additional point, The Salvation Army, St. John's Ambulance Service and the Boys' Brigade often participate in the Festival Of Remembrance.

Although not universal, many members of these organisations are pacifists: for example, the Boys' Brigade merged with the pacifist Boys' Life Brigade in 1926; likewise, William Booth, the founder and first General of the Salvation Army, espoused pacifist views in his Letters.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?"

Are you placard waving protesting at the pride events and at the cenotaph for Remembrance Sunday too?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

And there I was thinking remembrance was a time set aside for reflection rather than politics

So whats the need to reflect upon such a specific subset of murders? Which are the good murders we don't need to remember?

Are you placard waving protesting at the pride events and at the cenotaph for Remembrance Sunday too? "

Do you like all identity politics or just the groups that favour you? Personally i dislike all it, the richard spencer types and all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot to do with drugs and prostitition in Brazil, gang warfare etc..Oft nothing to do with being Trans...

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham

Wait a minute, don't all you trannies etc want equality? If so then stop making up days specific to your "community"

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"Wait a minute, don't all you trannies etc want equality? If so then stop making up days specific to your "community" "

We work towards equality by recognizing where inequality currently exists and trying to address it.

Not by pretending everyone is already treated equally and doing nothing.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"Wait a minute, don't all you trannies etc want equality? If so then stop making up days specific to your "community" "

'trannies', sigh. Please Google how to be a decent human being before spouting your nonsense

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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"Wasn't aware of this day. It's awful there even has to be a day for it.

Raising awareness is a good thing. It's an awful travesty for anyone to be murdered for what they are or what they believe in."

Yeah that's what I meant. The fact that people have been killed just for being trans is awful.

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham


"Wait a minute, don't all you trannies etc want equality? If so then stop making up days specific to your "community"

'trannies', sigh. Please Google how to be a decent human being before spouting your nonsense"

I am a perfectly decent human being, thanks for the concern though.

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms"

Is remembrance politics?

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Wait a minute, don't all you trannies etc want equality? If so then stop making up days specific to your "community"

'trannies', sigh. Please Google how to be a decent human being before spouting your nonsense

I am a perfectly decent human being, thanks for the concern though. "

You win the internet with that one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans"

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans"

To clarify my above post:

I am quite sure that you are correct in your assertion that the majority of 'devout Christians' would not persecute trans people. Indeed, there are a great many openly-gay Christians in most congregations, and more and more Priests are likewise coming out.

However, my point is that for every 'devout Christian' who is able to cite scripture in order to justify tolerance and compassion towards the LGBT community, there is a 'devout Christian' who is able to cite scripture in order to justify the oppression and persecution of the LGBT community.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance? "

I didn't know.

Your forum post caught my eye as it's not something I've ever been affected by or know much about. Recently I watched a very insightful documentary called The Death And Life Of Marsha P Johnson. It definitely opened my eye to some of the struggles and hatred the trans community go through.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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Can I just point something out here.

If anyone can be bothered scroll through the thread. Please copy and paste any comment where I said I was anti trans.

You will be wasting your time. I originally posted my thoughts on the sad fact that a day is required in the first place due to people being killed for their choices. Or just being beaten up for that matter.

Someone who I chat to regularly subsequently posted a message that despite not being pro trans she was also saddened. She was jumped on first. Ok, I appreciate it would have been better for her to just say saddened and leave off the fact she didnt agree with transitioning. However in my opinion the responce she recieved was disproportionate.

I came to her defence. Call me a white night if you will. My cheesy beans comment was to try and show that people can have different opinions on a subject and yet not be hateful. Again I point out that I was neither backing up the opinion stated nor opposing it.

My opinion on the subject in question is mine and is entirely irrelevant. I have never voiced that opinion on here and never will. Furthernore on similar threads I have asked questions to try and find out more about it. I like to learn about things I am not an expert on and yet find interesting. Not to make subsequent judgments on but to just simply better my knowledge.

There have been quotes of my posts overnight since I last posted and I just wanted to clarify the above.

I express my sympathies to families or friends of anyone killed or attacked for what they believe in or their life choices.

Unquestionably.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

Is remembrance politics?"

It's identity politics. When you see these things, ask whose idea it was and what their agenda is...

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

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"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

Is remembrance politics?

It's identity politics. When you see these things, ask whose idea it was and what their agenda is... "

Or accept that shit like this has happened and agree it should be highlighted

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough


"Can I just point something out here.

If anyone can be bothered scroll through the thread. Please copy and paste any comment where I said I was anti trans.

You will be wasting your time. I originally posted my thoughts on the sad fact that a day is required in the first place due to people being killed for their choices. Or just being beaten up for that matter.

Someone who I chat to regularly subsequently posted a message that despite not being pro trans she was also saddened. She was jumped on first. Ok, I appreciate it would have been better for her to just say saddened and leave off the fact she didnt agree with transitioning. However in my opinion the responce she recieved was disproportionate.

I came to her defence. Call me a white night if you will. My cheesy beans comment was to try and show that people can have different opinions on a subject and yet not be hateful. Again I point out that I was neither backing up the opinion stated nor opposing it.

My opinion on the subject in question is mine and is entirely irrelevant. I have never voiced that opinion on here and never will. Furthernore on similar threads I have asked questions to try and find out more about it. I like to learn about things I am not an expert on and yet find interesting. Not to make subsequent judgments on but to just simply better my knowledge.

There have been quotes of my posts overnight since I last posted and I just wanted to clarify the above.

I express my sympathies to families or friends of anyone killed or attacked for what they believe in or their life choices.

Unquestionably."

Well said.

V x

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Can I just point something out here.

If anyone can be bothered scroll through the thread. Please copy and paste any comment where I said I was anti trans.

You will be wasting your time. I originally posted my thoughts on the sad fact that a day is required in the first place due to people being killed for their choices. Or just being beaten up for that matter.

Someone who I chat to regularly subsequently posted a message that despite not being pro trans she was also saddened. She was jumped on first. Ok, I appreciate it would have been better for her to just say saddened and leave off the fact she didnt agree with transitioning. However in my opinion the responce she recieved was disproportionate.

I came to her defence. Call me a white night if you will. My cheesy beans comment was to try and show that people can have different opinions on a subject and yet not be hateful. Again I point out that I was neither backing up the opinion stated nor opposing it.

My opinion on the subject in question is mine and is entirely irrelevant. I have never voiced that opinion on here and never will. Furthernore on similar threads I have asked questions to try and find out more about it. I like to learn about things I am not an expert on and yet find interesting. Not to make subsequent judgments on but to just simply better my knowledge.

There have been quotes of my posts overnight since I last posted and I just wanted to clarify the above.

I express my sympathies to families or friends of anyone killed or attacked for what they believe in or their life choices.

Unquestionably."

Still having a wee dig though aren't we, but small mercies are not to be discouraged. You're almost there.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"I think just because you are trans or gay or lesbian we need to label a specific day why single humans out.

I am guessing because they are being killed BECAUSE they are Trans, which is very scary... the fact that Trans people are being killed but also that people don't seem to think it is a big deal.

Maybe some of us despise all murders and dislike identity politics in all its forms

Is remembrance politics?

It's identity politics. When you see these things, ask whose idea it was and what their agenda is...

Or accept that shit like this has happened and agree it should be highlighted"

You can. Personally i don't think Gwendolyn Ann Smith and i would have much in common if we discussed our views, so I'm not interested in supporting her agenda in any way.

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over a year ago


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them.""

Like most Godless people you err not knowing the Scriptures, the Laws of Moses which you quote are done away with and the Christian does not follow them, he follows the Higher laws of Christ as set in the new testament..

Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham

We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them."

Like most Godless people you err not knowing the Scriptures, the Laws of Moses which you quote are done away with and the Christian does not follow them, he follows the Higher laws of Christ as set in the new testament..

Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians..."

Yup. It's cringeworthy when people are using a translation to try and prove a semantic point!

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them."

Like most Godless people you err not knowing the Scriptures, the Laws of Moses which you quote are done away with and the Christian does not follow them, he follows the Higher laws of Christ as set in the new testament..

Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Yup. It's cringeworthy when people are using a translation to try and prove a semantic point! "

I'd suck a fart straight out your ass

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not. "

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them."

Like most Godless people you err not knowing the Scriptures, the Laws of Moses which you quote are done away with and the Christian does not follow them, he follows the Higher laws of Christ as set in the new testament..

Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Yup. It's cringeworthy when people are using a translation to try and prove a semantic point!

I'd suck a fart straight out your ass "

You romantic, you

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo


"

You can. Personally i don't think Gwendolyn Ann Smith and i would have much in common if we discussed our views, so I'm not interested in supporting her agenda in any way. "

Is it though? Isn't it just supporting people who have been killed because of their TG?

Off to google said lady

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back"

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them."

Like most Godless people you err not knowing the Scriptures, the Laws of Moses which you quote are done away with and the Christian does not follow them, he follows the Higher laws of Christ as set in the new testament..

Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Yup. It's cringeworthy when people are using a translation to try and prove a semantic point!

I'd suck a fart straight out your ass

You romantic, you "

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate"

There's a difference between having a differing opinions and outright spouting transphobia nonsense. Whilst me and broken may have differing opinions at least she tries to get her points across with some intelligence, yours on the other hand is just vile vitriol

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate"

Me me me, have a pop at me!!!!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"

You can. Personally i don't think Gwendolyn Ann Smith and i would have much in common if we discussed our views, so I'm not interested in supporting her agenda in any way.

Is it though? Isn't it just supporting people who have been killed because of their TG?

Off to google said lady "

That's how identity politics starts. Begin with a framing arguement that no rational person is going to disagree with and expand the arguement from there. Same with Black Lives Matters. Nobody is going to say Black Lives don't matter. It's all framing.

As soon as you go to these groups you'll realise they are the biggest bigots going. See you can't just be pro-trans rights, as i am because im a libertarian. You also need to vegetarian, vegan preferred, pro-life, anti-trump and a whole other bunch of unrelated ideas. If you think the LGBT community is any less bigoted then the mainstream of society then go to an LGBT society and say you are a homosexual christian. See the reaction you get. Or a trans person who doesn't believe in gay marriage because civil partnerships have sufficient legal rights. This is why a lot of LGBT people don't identity with the LGBT movement anymore, just like only 9% of women identify with feminism.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East


"Can I just point something out here.

If anyone can be bothered scroll through the thread. Please copy and paste any comment where I said I was anti trans.

You will be wasting your time. I originally posted my thoughts on the sad fact that a day is required in the first place due to people being killed for their choices. Or just being beaten up for that matter.

Someone who I chat to regularly subsequently posted a message that despite not being pro trans she was also saddened. She was jumped on first. Ok, I appreciate it would have been better for her to just say saddened and leave off the fact she didnt agree with transitioning. However in my opinion the responce she recieved was disproportionate.

I came to her defence. Call me a white night if you will. My cheesy beans comment was to try and show that people can have different opinions on a subject and yet not be hateful. Again I point out that I was neither backing up the opinion stated nor opposing it.

My opinion on the subject in question is mine and is entirely irrelevant. I have never voiced that opinion on here and never will. Furthernore on similar threads I have asked questions to try and find out more about it. I like to learn about things I am not an expert on and yet find interesting. Not to make subsequent judgments on but to just simply better my knowledge.

There have been quotes of my posts overnight since I last posted and I just wanted to clarify the above.

I express my sympathies to families or friends of anyone killed or attacked for what they believe in or their life choices.

Unquestionably.

Still having a wee dig though aren't we, but small mercies are not to be discouraged. You're almost there."

Quote me where I am having a wee dig please.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians..."

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"I don't agree with sex changes but its a shame people got murdered because of it. At the end of the day we are all human."

I’m guessing that’s because you’re a woman who, like me, ‘feels’ like a woman!

If every part of me was crying out to me that I should really be a man - then I hope I’d have had the bottle to have a sex change!

It must be very difficult if how you feel on the inside doesn’t match how you look on the outside!

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Can I just point something out here.

If anyone can be bothered scroll through the thread. Please copy and paste any comment where I said I was anti trans.

You will be wasting your time. I originally posted my thoughts on the sad fact that a day is required in the first place due to people being killed for their choices. Or just being beaten up for that matter.

Someone who I chat to regularly subsequently posted a message that despite not being pro trans she was also saddened. She was jumped on first. Ok, I appreciate it would have been better for her to just say saddened and leave off the fact she didnt agree with transitioning. However in my opinion the responce she recieved was disproportionate.

I came to her defence. Call me a white night if you will. My cheesy beans comment was to try and show that people can have different opinions on a subject and yet not be hateful. Again I point out that I was neither backing up the opinion stated nor opposing it.

My opinion on the subject in question is mine and is entirely irrelevant. I have never voiced that opinion on here and never will. Furthernore on similar threads I have asked questions to try and find out more about it. I like to learn about things I am not an expert on and yet find interesting. Not to make subsequent judgments on but to just simply better my knowledge.

There have been quotes of my posts overnight since I last posted and I just wanted to clarify the above.

I express my sympathies to families or friends of anyone killed or attacked for what they believe in or their life choices.

Unquestionably.

Still having a wee dig though aren't we, but small mercies are not to be discouraged. You're almost there.

Quote me where I am having a wee dig please."

I'm not making it that easy for you, where's the fun in that for me.

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By *rettytawnee2010TV/TS
over a year ago

North East Lincolnshire


"Did you know today is Trans Day of Remembrance? "

Yes, in phone and memory xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians..."

Also, I am not trying to 'find fault with the Christians'...

You were the one who argued that 'true devout Christians would not persecute LGBT people'...

I simply demonstrated that it is more than possible for people who claim to be 'true devout Christians' to cite a scriptural justification for the persecution of LGBT people.

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo


"

You can. Personally i don't think Gwendolyn Ann Smith and i would have much in common if we discussed our views, so I'm not interested in supporting her agenda in any way.

Is it though? Isn't it just supporting people who have been killed because of their TG?

Off to google said lady

That's how identity politics starts. Begin with a framing arguement that no rational person is going to disagree with and expand the arguement from there. Same with Black Lives Matters. Nobody is going to say Black Lives don't matter. It's all framing.

As soon as you go to these groups you'll realise they are the biggest bigots going. See you can't just be pro-trans rights, as i am because im a libertarian. You also need to vegetarian, vegan preferred, pro-life, anti-trump and a whole other bunch of unrelated ideas. If you think the LGBT community is any less bigoted then the mainstream of society then go to an LGBT society and say you are a homosexual christian. See the reaction you get. Or a trans person who doesn't believe in gay marriage because civil partnerships have sufficient legal rights. This is why a lot of LGBT people don't identity with the LGBT movement anymore, just like only 9% of women identify with feminism. "

Too deep for me sorry, I will just stick to, there is a day remembering all the people who died because they were TG. No person should be murdered , if we have a day for every section of people who were murdered it wouldn't bother me

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

"

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different.

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Also, I am not trying to 'find fault with the Christians'...

You were the one who argued that 'true devout Christians would not persecute LGBT people'...

I simply demonstrated that it is more than possible for people who claim to be 'true devout Christians' to cite a scriptural justification for the persecution of LGBT people."

Deaf ears my friend, deaf ears.

Btw, congrats, nice busting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There doesn't have to be a day for it, no more than a day for people murdered for their wallet or murdered for politics or murdered for fun etc.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

I’m sure it was Men’s day as well yesterday.

It’s now some other day.

I don’t begrudge a rememberance day for the associated community.

Some terrible Trans bashing and killing videos get uploaded all the time on the web. It’s certainly a terrible current problem.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East


"Can I just point something out here.

If anyone can be bothered scroll through the thread. Please copy and paste any comment where I said I was anti trans.

You will be wasting your time. I originally posted my thoughts on the sad fact that a day is required in the first place due to people being killed for their choices. Or just being beaten up for that matter.

Someone who I chat to regularly subsequently posted a message that despite not being pro trans she was also saddened. She was jumped on first. Ok, I appreciate it would have been better for her to just say saddened and leave off the fact she didnt agree with transitioning. However in my opinion the responce she recieved was disproportionate.

I came to her defence. Call me a white night if you will. My cheesy beans comment was to try and show that people can have different opinions on a subject and yet not be hateful. Again I point out that I was neither backing up the opinion stated nor opposing it.

My opinion on the subject in question is mine and is entirely irrelevant. I have never voiced that opinion on here and never will. Furthernore on similar threads I have asked questions to try and find out more about it. I like to learn about things I am not an expert on and yet find interesting. Not to make subsequent judgments on but to just simply better my knowledge.

There have been quotes of my posts overnight since I last posted and I just wanted to clarify the above.

I express my sympathies to families or friends of anyone killed or attacked for what they believe in or their life choices.

Unquestionably.

Still having a wee dig though aren't we, but small mercies are not to be discouraged. You're almost there.

Quote me where I am having a wee dig please.

I'm not making it that easy for you, where's the fun in that for me.

"

If your going to call someone out about something in a public forum have the deceny to back it up. I stand by my reasoning. If you see something that I said in a different light to what I intended you have two choices. Point it out so I can discuss it with you rationally and perhaps you can prove me wrong. Or you can continue to troll me. Your choice of course.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different. "

Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term. The idea that you can justify anything from the bible is like people who believe you can make any arguement from statistics. Yeah you can make an arguement, it probably sounds passable to the untrained ear, but anyone who understands the subject will see straight through it.

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"There doesn't have to be a day for it, no more than a day for people murdered for their wallet or murdered for politics or murdered for fun etc. "

But there does.

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate

There's a difference between having a differing opinions and outright spouting transphobia nonsense. Whilst me and broken may have differing opinions at least she tries to get her points across with some intelligence, yours on the other hand is just vile vitriol"

There is indeed a difference between the two, but for me it's minor.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Also, I am not trying to 'find fault with the Christians'...

You were the one who argued that 'true devout Christians would not persecute LGBT people'...

I simply demonstrated that it is more than possible for people who claim to be 'true devout Christians' to cite a scriptural justification for the persecution of LGBT people.

Deaf ears my friend, deaf ears.

Btw, congrats, nice busting."

Yes, nice work 'busting' a TV/TS who was trying to couple her christian beliefs and gender.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Devout Christians would not persecute nor murder Trans

You say that 'true Christians' are those that follow Jesus' teaching of 'truth, love and forgiveness'...

Presumably, those same 'true Christians' will be aware that Jesus also taught that the Bible is the UNALTERABLE word of God?

Matt 5:17-18 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Consequently, the 'true Christians' to which you refer would presumably adhere to the following teachings concerning LGBT people?

Deuteronomy 22:5 - "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an ABOMINATION unto the LORD thy God."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be PUT TO DEATH; their blood shall be upon them."

Like most Godless people you err not knowing the Scriptures, the Laws of Moses which you quote are done away with and the Christian does not follow them, he follows the Higher laws of Christ as set in the new testament..

Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians..."

He should have put Torah as the unalterable word of God. Interestingly, due to the way scribes had to write the Torah, they found identical books within the Dead Sea Scrolls as would be scribed today.

The New Testament does not have that same quality and is known to have translation errors eg camel going through eye of needle, instead of rope

Anyhow, Christians do follow the NT but it is not the unalterable word of God, it's a specific collection of stories set up around 300 years after Christ.

Bloody hell, I've forgotten the point i was going to make

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not. "

Bless. You simply have no knowledge of chromosomes and neurons and the effect of the environment on both (nature, nurture debate).

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Also, I am not trying to 'find fault with the Christians'...

You were the one who argued that 'true devout Christians would not persecute LGBT people'...

I simply demonstrated that it is more than possible for people who claim to be 'true devout Christians' to cite a scriptural justification for the persecution of LGBT people.

Deaf ears my friend, deaf ears.

Btw, congrats, nice busting.

Yes, nice work 'busting' a TV/TS who was trying to couple her christian beliefs and gender."

You've misread it then.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term"

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate"

Your opinion is informed by your knowledge and life experiences. I think you're ill-informed but are still allowed to spout it.

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By *he_batmanMan
over a year ago

Gotham


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate

There's a difference between having a differing opinions and outright spouting transphobia nonsense. Whilst me and broken may have differing opinions at least she tries to get her points across with some intelligence, yours on the other hand is just vile vitriol"

Point proven, because my opinion is vastly different from yours I'm transphobic apparently. Nice one

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

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Are there trans apologists?

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over a year ago

Never heard of it. Every day is a school day when I crawl out from under my rock

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different.

Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term. The idea that you can justify anything from the bible is like people who believe you can make any arguement from statistics. Yeah you can make an arguement, it probably sounds passable to the untrained ear, but anyone who understands the subject will see straight through it. "

It all depends on the frame within which you interpret the Bible. I see no reason to prefer a more liberal interpretation on the subject of sexual morality. Perhaps you could tell me why I should.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Also, I am not trying to 'find fault with the Christians'...

You were the one who argued that 'true devout Christians would not persecute LGBT people'...

I simply demonstrated that it is more than possible for people who claim to be 'true devout Christians' to cite a scriptural justification for the persecution of LGBT people.

Deaf ears my friend, deaf ears.

Btw, congrats, nice busting.

Yes, nice work 'busting' a TV/TS who was trying to couple her christian beliefs and gender.

You've misread it then."

I read :

"Those that follow the simple teaching of Christ, that are love, mercy and forgiveness...." etc

That sounds a lot more tolerant than lots of posts on this thread, from people who claim to know better, and should know the suffering that intolerance can bring about resulting in the day the thread is about.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London


"There doesn't have to be a day for it, no more than a day for people murdered for their wallet or murdered for politics or murdered for fun etc. "

Except that 'people with wallets' isn't a group that is unusually vulnerable due to widespread discrimination in society. Part of the purpose of the day is to raise awareness of the disproportionate violence trans people suffer.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different.

Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term. The idea that you can justify anything from the bible is like people who believe you can make any arguement from statistics. Yeah you can make an arguement, it probably sounds passable to the untrained ear, but anyone who understands the subject will see straight through it.

It all depends on the frame within which you interpret the Bible. I see no reason to prefer a more liberal interpretation on the subject of sexual morality. Perhaps you could tell me why I should. "

I would say you should interpret the bible the way the writers intended it. To do that you'd have to understand the orginal language they wrote including how the meaning or many critical words has changed over time, a subject close to your heart.

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

Are there trans apologists? "

Are you scrabbling for ammo? You could always try spitting as a last resort. And I said 'last', now would be too soon I reckon.

Bantz

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

Are there trans apologists?

Are you scrabbling for ammo? You could always try spitting as a last resort. And I said 'last', now would be too soon I reckon.

Bantz

"

People like you are the reason so many LGBT people don't want anything to do with the LGBT movement

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different.

Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term. The idea that you can justify anything from the bible is like people who believe you can make any arguement from statistics. Yeah you can make an arguement, it probably sounds passable to the untrained ear, but anyone who understands the subject will see straight through it.

It all depends on the frame within which you interpret the Bible. I see no reason to prefer a more liberal interpretation on the subject of sexual morality. Perhaps you could tell me why I should.

I would say you should interpret the bible the way the writers intended it. To do that you'd have to understand the orginal language they wrote including how the meaning or many critical words has changed over time, a subject close to your heart. "

Merry Christmas. Too soon?

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

Are there trans apologists?

Are you scrabbling for ammo? You could always try spitting as a last resort. And I said 'last', now would be too soon I reckon.

Bantz

People like you are the reason so many LGBT people don't want anything to do with the LGBT movement "

Prove it.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different.

Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term. The idea that you can justify anything from the bible is like people who believe you can make any arguement from statistics. Yeah you can make an arguement, it probably sounds passable to the untrained ear, but anyone who understands the subject will see straight through it.

It all depends on the frame within which you interpret the Bible. I see no reason to prefer a more liberal interpretation on the subject of sexual morality. Perhaps you could tell me why I should.

I would say you should interpret the bible the way the writers intended it. To do that you'd have to understand the orginal language they wrote including how the meaning or many critical words has changed over time, a subject close to your heart. "

But what one thinks is the writers intention it's itself subjective. I would say the intention of the writers of the gospeld was to propagate their particular sect in the crowded religious market place of the Roman Empire. I suspect you would view their intentions very differently. I believe that what they have to say about how one should behave in 2017 in Britain is minimal. Which is not surprising given they were written in a very different time and place.

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate

There's a difference between having a differing opinions and outright spouting transphobia nonsense. Whilst me and broken may have differing opinions at least she tries to get her points across with some intelligence, yours on the other hand is just vile vitriol

Point proven, because my opinion is vastly different from yours I'm transphobic apparently. Nice one "

Well, you certainly can't argue with stupid. Please tell me how refusing to even acknowledge transgender people as real people isn't being transphobic?

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

Are there trans apologists?

Are you scrabbling for ammo? You could always try spitting as a last resort. And I said 'last', now would be too soon I reckon.

Bantz

People like you are the reason so many LGBT people don't want anything to do with the LGBT movement

Prove it."

You have. On this thread.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East


"We shouldn't be normalising this type of behaviour, you're either a male or a female. That's it, nothing else. Stop pretending to be something you're not.

Third or fourth time I've seen you post this sort of shit. It's not needed, unfortunately for the rest of us, the oxygen you breathe is. We'd like it back

Aren't I allowed an opinion on the matter? Just because it doesn't match your agenda it's not allowed to be said? If I say I don't agree with this sort of thing I'm suddenly wrong? Take a reality check mate

There's a difference between having a differing opinions and outright spouting transphobia nonsense. Whilst me and broken may have differing opinions at least she tries to get her points across with some intelligence, yours on the other hand is just vile vitriol

Point proven, because my opinion is vastly different from yours I'm transphobic apparently. Nice one

Well, you certainly can't argue with stupid. Please tell me how refusing to even acknowledge transgender people as real people isn't being transphobic?"

He has simplified the issue of gender to male or female. He doesn't accept the sliding scale. That's very different to saying they aren't real people.

For Nicky's benefit I am not saying I agree with him!

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By *icky_tvLondonTV/TS
over a year ago

london


"Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term

Actually, 'Religious Apologist' is NOT a loaded term...it describes someone who engages in 'Apologetics,' a field of Theology which aims to provide reasoned, evidential, historical and/or scientific arguments for the existence of God.

We do not call these people 'Apologists' as a term of slander; that is the term they use for themselves and their field of expertise.

Are there trans apologists?

Are you scrabbling for ammo? You could always try spitting as a last resort. And I said 'last', now would be too soon I reckon.

Bantz

People like you are the reason so many LGBT people don't want anything to do with the LGBT movement

Prove it.

You have. On this thread."

As the scientific method escapes you, you are therefore in fact correct, always have been and always will be.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"Go read the Gospels of the new testament and cease seeking to find fault with the Christians...

Precisely my point about 'true devout Christians' being able to use scripture to prove either side of a debate...

YOU claim that 'the Laws of Moses are done away with and the Christian does not follow them.

Presumably, you refer to John 13:34 - "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

However, as I demonstrated above, I could respond to your claim by pointing to Matt 5:17-18, wherein Jesus says: "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them... the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Absolutely right. If I learnt one thing from religious apologists is that you justify any position from a quotation from a holy book. You have right wing Christians saying homosexuality and transgender people are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and quoting the Bible to prove it and left wing Christians saying exactly the opposite and also with bible quotations ready to hand.

If one defines Christianity by what Christians do, until virtually last week Christians were pretty much unanimous that the only form of non sinful sex was between a married man and his wife. It's only recently, as social mores have changed that Christians have said any different.

Oooh there's prejudice overriding your intellect. "Religious apologists" what a loaded term. The idea that you can justify anything from the bible is like people who believe you can make any arguement from statistics. Yeah you can make an arguement, it probably sounds passable to the untrained ear, but anyone who understands the subject will see straight through it.

It all depends on the frame within which you interpret the Bible. I see no reason to prefer a more liberal interpretation on the subject of sexual morality. Perhaps you could tell me why I should.

I would say you should interpret the bible the way the writers intended it. To do that you'd have to understand the orginal language they wrote including how the meaning or many critical words has changed over time, a subject close to your heart.

But what one thinks is the writers intention it's itself subjective. I would say the intention of the writers of the gospeld was to propagate their particular sect in the crowded religious market place of the Roman Empire. I suspect you would view their intentions very differently. I believe that what they have to say about how one should behave in 2017 in Britain is minimal. Which is not surprising given they were written in a very different time and place.

"

If you genuinely want the answer to this then listen to the YouTube debate between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris on what 'truth' is. You can get a briefer summary by Jordan Peterson on the Joe Rogan Experience.

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By *.gerri.xTV/TS
over a year ago

North west visiting bpool

Thoughts going out to the family and loved ones left behind and those who have gone.

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over a year ago

Well my thoughts are with the families and friends of trans people around the world who have been killed just for being who they are.

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