FabSwingers.com forum: Debating or arguing for the sake of it

By *aeBabe OP Woman
over a year ago

London

Reading up on the forums I see a lot of healthy debating going on with various topics, which is great because it's interesting to hear different opinions on matters, but do you ever find some people end up escalating it to insulting one another because of their opposed views because theirs is the only opinion that matters?

It then no longer becomes the topic in the original OP, but resorts to personal insults at the others intellectual reasoning or even their profile.

Personally I think if you aren't able to debate without resorting to insults, you really shouldn't be saying anything. Plus it ruins the thread and is it's original post.

What do you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've seen a few people who argue black is white just to get a rise. Also when people ask for advice on a particular sex act you get people replying "that's disgusting, you're not normal" etc etc. No need!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a number of users in the forums who are very toxic, and often seem to exist for nothing more than having an unpopular opinion also be aired.

I love a good debate, and try quite hard to not let it devolve into any kind of insult if I can, but I really need to get better at not taking the bait with some people.

Reasoned discussion, especially if you can provide a bit of evidence, is one of the best things about interest forums in general if you ask me.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab. "

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits. "

I do believe part of it stems from the 'debating' tactic of framing language. Since it seems ok to constantly redefine words in a way that suits an arguement (george orwell turns in his grave), then the logical response is to be the aggressor in the debate. Ben Shapiro, one of the better right wing debaters in America, spoke quite openly about this on YouTube recently.

If so, that would link the two statements.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

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"Reading up on the forums I see a lot of healthy debating going on with various topics, which is great because it's interesting to hear different opinions on matters, but do you ever find some people end up escalating it to insulting one another because of their opposed views because theirs is the only opinion that matters?

It then no longer becomes the topic in the original OP, but resorts to personal insults at the others intellectual reasoning or even their profile.

Personally I think if you aren't able to debate without resorting to insults, you really shouldn't be saying anything. Plus it ruins the thread and is it's original post.

What do you think?

Yes. But these days i do try and keep away from the trans and bbw threads.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements. "

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Unfortunately I've encountered a few people on here that can't stand to see opinions opposing their own. Let them craic on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are some people who whilst have a valid POV they deliver it in such a patronising / condescending way that it loses its value, to me anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As in reality there are those who argue for the sake of it and do all possible to have the last word.

However of late, I think it's calmed down a tad on the forums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some people who whilst have a valid POV they deliver it in such a patronising / condescending way that it loses its value, to me anyway."

Don’t worry your pretty little head about such things

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life. "

If you watched question time this week, they open with a question about abortion. Which is framed as "those who oppose womens rights" vrs 'those who want to murder babies'. Obviously both those statements both represent virtually nobody. But then it's not really a debate, it's just point scoring, hence the advantage goes to the aggressor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life. "

Religion apologists? On Fab? LOL are there really people that devoid of self awareness?

I simply cant take someone seriously if they're extolling the virtues of Jesus/Muhammad whilst on an NSA sex site.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life.

Religion apologists? On Fab? LOL are there really people that devoid of self awareness?

I simply cant take someone seriously if they're extolling the virtues of Jesus/Muhammad whilst on an NSA sex site."

That's tends to be my view but I have had discussions with a number of Christians on here. It seems that one can be a Christian whilst ignoring one of the central tenets of the faith.

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life.

Religion apologists? On Fab? LOL are there really people that devoid of self awareness?

I simply cant take someone seriously if they're extolling the virtues of Jesus/Muhammad whilst on an NSA sex site.

That's tends to be my view but I have had discussions with a number of Christians on here. It seems that one can be a Christian whilst ignoring one of the central tenets of the faith. "

Couldn't you say the same about any member of the big 3 faiths who supports homosexuality?

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

Yes, I agree. I found that people can think if you're debating a view point, you have an issue with them as a person? Or they resort to the personal attack as mentioned earlier. Or tell you how you meant for something to read...

I do enjoy the interaction and I actually like being challenged on my viewpoints if the argument is convincing enough and without numerous fallacies. I just dislike the pettiness and unnecessary tangents.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life.

Religion apologists? On Fab? LOL are there really people that devoid of self awareness?

I simply cant take someone seriously if they're extolling the virtues of Jesus/Muhammad whilst on an NSA sex site.

That's tends to be my view but I have had discussions with a number of Christians on here. It seems that one can be a Christian whilst ignoring one of the central tenets of the faith.

Couldn't you say the same about any member of the big 3 faiths who supports homosexuality?"

I think the church of Englands official position may now be OK with gay relationships as are some variants of Judaism. However, you are right that the official doctrine of the Catholic Church and the more or less unanimous opinion of Muslim scholars is that gay sex is inherently sinful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some people who whilst have a valid POV they deliver it in such a patronising / condescending way that it loses its value, to me anyway.

Don’t worry your pretty little head about such things

Only you Missy I, can get away with that

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan
over a year ago

salisbury

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life.

Religion apologists? On Fab? LOL are there really people that devoid of self awareness?

I simply cant take someone seriously if they're extolling the virtues of Jesus/Muhammad whilst on an NSA sex site.

That's tends to be my view but I have had discussions with a number of Christians on here. It seems that one can be a Christian whilst ignoring one of the central tenets of the faith.

Couldn't you say the same about any member of the big 3 faiths who supports homosexuality?

Church of England maybe. But they didn't write the bible, they just made it into a career....

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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It then no longer becomes the topic in the original OP, but resorts to personal insults at the others intellectual reasoning or even their profile.

Personally I think if you aren't able to debate without resorting to insults, you really shouldn't be saying anything. Plus it ruins the thread and is it's original post.

What do you think?

Completely agree.

Sadly I am guilty of jumping into arguments that are nothing to do with me really. Just to attempt to shut someone down. It's no more helpfull and I am working on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There is someone on here who likes to make way out assumptions about people-usually based on their verifications-and trying to use them as their argument.

Possibly has a superiority complex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements. "

Ben is one of the best debaters I've ever seen, and I'm more of a lefty. If someone can't have a reasoned discussion without becoming abnoxiousz it's usually because they're not informed enough to make a sensible case for their argument, let alone win a debate.

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

Best Greggs in Cheshire East

"There is someone on here who likes to make way out assumptions about people-usually based on their verifications-and trying to use them as their argument.

Possibly has a superiority complex. "

That's not narrowed the field down too much!

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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago

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"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's true of the majority of people. In the sense that they grab the headline points and don't look more into the detail.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is someone on here who likes to make way out assumptions about people-usually based on their verifications-and trying to use them as their argument.

Possibly has a superiority complex. "

I’m now trying to think who it is

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree Brain, and love the forum. But I rather have arguing on a post that I've posted. On a few occasion I had great forum subjects, and no one replied.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree Brain, and love the forum. But I rather have arguing on a post that I've posted. On a few occasion I had great forum subjects, and no one replied."

It could be the time you posted your thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There are some people who whilst have a valid POV they deliver it in such a patronising / condescending way that it loses its value, to me anyway."

Exactly!

There are s few people that like to suck the joy and fun out of the forums as well.

The fun suckers

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By *appy squirrelWoman
over a year ago

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I disagree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I disagree"

I disagree too......what we disagreeing with?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

I think Ben is a good debater but i don't find his arguements convincing on several issues, especially economics. I think he looks better than he is because there aren't many good debaters on the left (e.g. someone who can refrain from emotionally charged language and state facts). The most common mistake Ben makes is to exptrapolate a point to it's logical extreme, the flaw is fairly easy to point out when you have facts and figures to hand.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's true of the majority of people. In the sense that they grab the headline points and don't look more into the detail."

I really enjoy the Joe Rogan podcast, it's about 2 1/2 hours per episode. In contrast to question time where they try and cram 5 peoples opinions into an hour and people can just make a false statement and the chair with move things on, there's nowhere to go when time isn't a factor. Joe also doesn't get aggressive with the guests, he let conspiracy theoriest Alex Jones just ramble for over an hour and Joe trusts his audience to be smart enough to see the logical flaws.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke

"It's currently fashionable for a certain type of person to find offence in things, often where none was intended and then blow it up into a drama. Not just on fab.

There's also a tendency for people to do labelling and ad hominem attacks rather than arguing issues on their merits.

If so, that would link the two statements.

That's a favourite tactic of religious apologists. They want to say that God exists but define "existence" in a way that no one uses in everyday life.

Religion apologists? On Fab? LOL are there really people that devoid of self awareness?

I simply cant take someone seriously if they're extolling the virtues of Jesus/Muhammad whilst on an NSA sex site.

That's tends to be my view but I have had discussions with a number of Christians on here. It seems that one can be a Christian whilst ignoring one of the central tenets of the faith.

Couldn't you say the same about any member of the big 3 faiths who supports homosexuality?"

Maajid Nawaz is the best person I've seen debate this question. His response is pretty easy to find on YouTube. I agree fully with him.

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