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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x " Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx" Well I’m sure you’ll get more interest once prospective playmates/clients read this pitch | |||
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"Honest opinion...if you said that to me id be calling BS and thinking 'Yeah Yeah, you and a thousand other guys who think they can give a massage and make me cum' If you knew how many arrogant men are on here claiming to do this and using it as a means to get meets then you'd understand...some of them couldn't give a massage if their life depended on it! As for orgasms...pah!" Must be the same ones who message us lol and they are most probably giving their selves a sensual massage whilst typing a message | |||
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"We must get a dozen messages a week offering Jill a sensual massage , there seems to be a lot of masseurs on fab " I imagine there's probably a lot of firemen too... | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx Well I’m sure you’ll get more interest once prospective playmates/clients read this pitch " It's a good pitch for sure..... if a bit cheesy?...but will snag someone! | |||
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"Honest opinion...if you said that to me id be calling BS and thinking 'Yeah Yeah, you and a thousand other guys who think they can give a massage and make me cum' If you knew how many arrogant men are on here claiming to do this and using it as a means to get meets then you'd understand...some of them couldn't give a massage if their life depended on it! As for orgasms...pah!" yes do one! I'll go to a proper clinic for massage not let some dreamer off here touch me up! honestly if that's all you offer then pass me bye | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx" I don't think it's anything to be confused about. That's obviously what works for your regular couple, and that's fine. Yes it's true people shouldn't lead you on by saying they want a sensual massage if they don't, but I do wonder if they dont believe you about the orgasm bit - that comes across as a bit far-fetched which may put some off (would put me off). Mrs | |||
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"Honest opinion...if you said that to me id be calling BS and thinking 'Yeah Yeah, you and a thousand other guys who think they can give a massage and make me cum' If you knew how many arrogant men are on here claiming to do this and using it as a means to get meets then you'd understand...some of them couldn't give a massage if their life depended on it! As for orgasms...pah!" With bells on | |||
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"Couple of thoughts. As above, lots of guys claim to be masseurs, so it might come across as BSish. Also it can be overstepping what NSA is, by being oversensual with the woman, it can be seen as pushing yourself in / husband out. Be mindful of the dynamics at play." Spot on If we were to have an MFM then I do not want a random bloke getting sensual and intimate with my woman... he's there to use his cock, then get out of our lives | |||
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"'When they realise the extent of the orgasms ' ? So you mean when you make wild, possibly exaggerated claims ? I think this may be your problem. " Reading this thread through I think you've nailed the issue right there. It's not the offer of a massage so much as the wild claims of orgasms that the couple will find arrogant and off putting | |||
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"We must get a dozen messages a week offering Jill a sensual massage , there seems to be a lot of masseurs on fab I imagine there's probably a lot of firemen too... " not to forget photographers...lol as for massage, I'm the female and i couldn't think if anything I'd want less than a massage or someone offering me deeply sensual experiences...quite apart from the oil rotting your condoms... | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. And I am confused xx" You've basically built yourself up for a fall. Promising the world and what then if you fail to deliver? There's not a one stop shop to guarantee a woman an orgasm, yet that's your claim. Now, I'm not insecure - and certainly not worried - I mean, I like to think I'm pretty good at the whole sex thing but I'd never head into a meet promising anything. And in certainly not afraid my wife may have an orgasm - is kind of the point of this whole thing. I'm not going to tell her - we can do all this, but you're not allowed to orgasm with anyone but me. Fuck that Shut, man. I want my wife to relax into a meet and enjoy herself. Is your attitude that you believe you're better, can give something that the husband can't give - hats the problem - also it comes across that since you guaranteed it, you're going to carry on regardless trying to make it happen even if she's not enjoying it or finding it boring. We're here for sex not rubbydubs, and it would probably be a fairly boring meet for us if you spent hours on a massage. Besides, we're not here because I can't satisfy my wife and because there's something missing from our sex life. We're here because we're naughty fuckers, have a healthy sex life, enjoy sex so why not share it with others? We like to think we're good at it, but we'll not guarantee a thing. | |||
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"Couple of thoughts. As above, lots of guys claim to be masseurs, so it might come across as BSish. Also it can be overstepping what NSA is, by being oversensual with the woman, it can be seen as pushing yourself in / husband out. Be mindful of the dynamics at play. Spot on If we were to have an MFM then I do not want a random bloke getting sensual and intimate with my woman... he's there to use his cock, then get out of our lives " And he’s there to use your wife’s pussy | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx" You're assuming that the lady in the couple will have an amazing orgasm at your hands, maybe they don't want to burst your bubble. One couple is not indicative of every couple | |||
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" I have messaged and chatted with a number of couples, and when we chat about slow and sensual massages and lot of pleasure for the lady .... the messages dry up and suddenly they lose interest. Why do you think this happens? " what does always make me laugh though is the assumption that it must akways be down to some kind of insecurity on the part of the male partner...like the single guy is such a catch and they're clearly so unable to give the female partner what they need that they're threatened by such a man...laughable... and again, Jane speaking here... | |||
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" I have messaged and chatted with a number of couples, and when we chat about slow and sensual massages and lot of pleasure for the lady .... the messages dry up and suddenly they lose interest. Why do you think this happens? what does always make me laugh though is the assumption that it must akways be down to some kind of insecurity on the part of the male partner...like the single guy is such a catch and they're clearly so unable to give the female partner what they need that they're threatened by such a man...laughable... and again, Jane speaking here..." This. Most couples will agree that there is no insecurity - that's why they have such open, interesting and varied sex lives. I've been in open relationships for years, and the OP (as highlighted above) is well wide of the mark in his assumption that one or other of the partners is going to be threatened by him - if they were, why would they be meeting him/people? The point is that as the person being invited to join a couple, you're an accessory, someone to bring something different to the dynamic, to make it exciting and interesting - you also strengthen the bond between the couple as a result, not weaken it. Guys would do well to remember this. | |||
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" I have messaged and chatted with a number of couples, and when we chat about slow and sensual massages and lot of pleasure for the lady .... the messages dry up and suddenly they lose interest. Why do you think this happens? what does always make me laugh though is the assumption that it must akways be down to some kind of insecurity on the part of the male partner...like the single guy is such a catch and they're clearly so unable to give the female partner what they need that they're threatened by such a man...laughable... and again, Jane speaking here... This. Most couples will agree that there is no insecurity - that's why they have such open, interesting and varied sex lives. I've been in open relationships for years, and the OP (as highlighted above) is well wide of the mark in his assumption that one or other of the partners is going to be threatened by him - if they were, why would they be meeting him/people? The point is that as the person being invited to join a couple, you're an accessory, someone to bring something different to the dynamic, to make it exciting and interesting - you also strengthen the bond between the couple as a result, not weaken it. Guys would do well to remember this." I think his issue is that they're not meeting him... | |||
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" I have messaged and chatted with a number of couples, and when we chat about slow and sensual massages and lot of pleasure for the lady .... the messages dry up and suddenly they lose interest. Why do you think this happens? what does always make me laugh though is the assumption that it must akways be down to some kind of insecurity on the part of the male partner...like the single guy is such a catch and they're clearly so unable to give the female partner what they need that they're threatened by such a man...laughable... and again, Jane speaking here... This. Most couples will agree that there is no insecurity - that's why they have such open, interesting and varied sex lives. I've been in open relationships for years, and the OP (as highlighted above) is well wide of the mark in his assumption that one or other of the partners is going to be threatened by him - if they were, why would they be meeting him/people? The point is that as the person being invited to join a couple, you're an accessory, someone to bring something different to the dynamic, to make it exciting and interesting - you also strengthen the bond between the couple as a result, not weaken it. Guys would do well to remember this. I think his issue is that they're not meeting him..." Clearly - these threads are ALWAYS about that | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. " OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? " It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it " Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx" honestly if a guy messaged us assuring us of the orgasms I would have then I would stop contact as it would bore me shitless.. and I would also find the conversation some what deluded. | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx" the word therapy puts me off | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance" And the word “prop” puts me off meeting couples. I’m a person, not a bloody prop | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance And the word “prop” puts me off meeting couples. I’m a person, not a bloody prop " For the purposes of this discussion, I think the word illustrates what I mean | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance And the word “prop” puts me off meeting couples. I’m a person, not a bloody prop For the purposes of this discussion, I think the word illustrates what I mean" And it illustrates why I won't meet couples. | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance And the word “prop” puts me off meeting couples. I’m a person, not a bloody prop For the purposes of this discussion, I think the word illustrates what I mean And it illustrates why I won't meet couples." I've met plenty of couples in a threesome situation and I've never felt like a prop I have to say | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance And the word “prop” puts me off meeting couples. I’m a person, not a bloody prop For the purposes of this discussion, I think the word illustrates what I mean And it illustrates why I won't meet couples." i get what u mean if not the prop, the toy, or the thing to save the marriage lol | |||
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"We must get a dozen messages a week offering Jill a sensual massage , there seems to be a lot of masseurs on fab I imagine there's probably a lot of firemen too... " A lot of 'nurses' too | |||
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" The point is that as the person being invited to join a couple, you're an accessory, someone to bring something different to the dynamic, to make it exciting and interesting - you also strengthen the bond between the couple as a result, not weaken it. Guys would do well to remember this." Disagree with this comment. We do not invite someone to be our accessory. We invite people to join us for mutually beneficial fun. Which is why we like to see a week presented profile to get an idea of compatibility. Also, it has nothing to do with bringing excitement to our lives or to make our sex lives interesting. You implying the same as the OP here, that we cannot provide for each other in some way. We know enough to keep each other happy, satisfied, interested and excited. And this is certainly not to strengthen our bond as a couple. If we weren't already rock solid, this would not work. We do not Swing for any of those reasons. We swing because we want to. We have a perfect relationship and are comfortable enough with each other to enjoy other people's company, and to invite other people to enjoy our already amazing sex lives with us. | |||
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"The offer of a massage is always something that I have found a bit strange since we've been swinging. It gets asked in messages and it gets asked in clubs. I've never understood why some guys think that offering a massage is a way to tempt a lady sexually. To me a massage is something that's done by a beauty therapist in a health clinic or by a physiotherapist as part of a treatment, and has nothing to to with sex. So I find it all very weird when guys looking for sex use it as their USP. Mrs" Exactly! I never understood why people offer massages as a pretext to get some action. If I was a woman, I'd find it damn creepy and cheesy and that would turn me off. But guess it works for some people and that's why they still use that line. | |||
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"My spin on this is that the claim sounds very pretentious. It may work on some people but others will choose to laugh and avoid. OP also seems to assume the woman isn't getting satisfied by her partner hence the partner feeling threatened by how much better he would do. How much more ignorant and/or arrogant can a guy be? It's pretty impressive new levels of arrogance isn't it Alot of men simply dont understand that they are a 'prop' They think that they are there because the male partner cant satisy the lady Frightening ignorance And the word “prop” puts me off meeting couples. I’m a person, not a bloody prop For the purposes of this discussion, I think the word illustrates what I mean And it illustrates why I won't meet couples." Everyone is entitled to doing what appeals to them. I personally would treat everyone involved in a meet respectfully. The point of my comment is that it is disrespectful meeting or talking to a couple and ignoring the needs of one of them for your own pleasure. OP wants to understand, so the idea is to enlighten him that his issues stem from that. The dynamics of playing with a couple will be different from playing with a single person and anyone meeting a couple needs to respect that or not meet couples in the first place... Xx | |||
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"Honest opinion...if you said that to me id be calling BS and thinking 'Yeah Yeah, you and a thousand other guys who think they can give a massage and make me cum' If you knew how many arrogant men are on here claiming to do this and using it as a means to get meets then you'd understand...some of them couldn't give a massage if their life depended on it! As for orgasms...pah!Must be the same ones who message us lol and they are most probably giving their selves a sensual massage whilst typing a message " quite possibly xx | |||
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"The offer of a massage is always something that I have found a bit strange since we've been swinging. It gets asked in messages and it gets asked in clubs. I've never understood why some guys think that offering a massage is a way to tempt a lady sexually. To me a massage is something that's done by a beauty therapist in a health clinic or by a physiotherapist as part of a treatment, and has nothing to to with sex. So I find it all very weird when guys looking for sex use it as their USP. Mrs Exactly! I never understood why people offer massages as a pretext to get some action. If I was a woman, I'd find it damn creepy and cheesy and that would turn me off. But guess it works for some people and that's why they still use that line." i do find it creepy | |||
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"We must get a dozen messages a week offering Jill a sensual massage , there seems to be a lot of masseurs on fab I imagine there's probably a lot of firemen too... A lot of 'nurses' too " Naturally Though outside of Fab, I sometimes find it a tad one-sided when an engine full of actual firemen rocks up for ladies to perv over. I don't mind that one bit and watching a lady perv is utterly delightful. But in the interests of fairness, where's my minibus full of nurses to have a good gander at? | |||
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"My wife has had several massages, we find it a good way to start off a session, it relaxes her and stimulates her. The massage doesn't really last too long before she has his cock in her mouth. The word 'prop' is a bit harsh, we see the guy as a human vibrator, an extension to our sex life but he does need to have a personality and be able to hold a decent conversation. " The word prop is a bit harsh, but human vibrator isn't? | |||
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"Maybe they don’t want ‘sensual’, maybe they don’t like massages, maybe they think you’re too keen on the lady and the husband gets insecure, maybe they’re just teasing you or using your messages for wank fodder... so many possibilities. Only they can answer for themselves though. Mrs x Initially they say they want sensual and erotic massages and when they realise the extent of the orgasms the lady has they seem to back off quickly and stop chatting. I meet one couple regularly at the moment and they tell me their love making is so much more intense after a massage and therapy session with me .. I am confused xx" So many men on her claim they can give women orgasm after orgasm etc. Usually for us it just sounds like yet more bullshit. | |||
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" The word prop is a bit harsh, but human vibrator isn't? " When we have an mmf, we strap an old diesel engine to their back. They vibrate like mad then. If it damages him or worse, we just get a new one | |||
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"My wife has had several massages, we find it a good way to start off a session, it relaxes her and stimulates her. The massage doesn't really last too long before she has his cock in her mouth. The word 'prop' is a bit harsh, we see the guy as a human vibrator, an extension to our sex life but he does need to have a personality and be able to hold a decent conversation. The word prop is a bit harsh, but human vibrator isn't? " A prop is something static a human vibrator moves. | |||
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" The word prop is a bit harsh, but human vibrator isn't? When we have an mmf, we strap an old diesel engine to their back. They vibrate like mad then. If it damages him or worse, we just get a new one " A new engine or man? | |||
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" The word prop is a bit harsh, but human vibrator isn't? When we have an mmf, we strap an old diesel engine to their back. They vibrate like mad then. If it damages him or worse, we just get a new one " | |||
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