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"Here's how I see it: Sexuality: you're bi. With conditions and standards (just like most people.) Attraction: you're turned on by femininity, and turned off by masculinity. Basically, you like the chocolates, but they need to be in the right packaging. Overall, I would say you're a trans-attracted straight (but not necessarily heterosexual) guy. And it's about time we started to accept this as a legitimate sexual orientation, instead of some bizarre fetish." That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely." Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community. | |||
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"Hi all just like to clear something up in my head. I love sexy hot convincing sexy t girls & had quite a few fun times with them, But I'm not into guys or hpw or any tranny that I can see thru that resembles a guy. So I don't think I'm gay or bi as I dont fancy the same sex but I'm sucking a girly cock so I'm confused.com hmm " I'm exactly the same , and up until a few months ago stated I was straight on our profile . This was despite always having the odd bit of fun with convincing tgirls . Anyway I decided to come out as bi curious as there seemed no suitable option . I do state what kind of bi I am on our profile though .  | |||
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"Hi all just like to clear something up in my head. I love sexy hot convincing sexy t girls & had quite a few fun times with them, But I'm not into guys or hpw or any tranny that I can see thru that resembles a guy. So I don't think I'm gay or bi as I dont fancy the same sex but I'm sucking a girly cock so I'm confused.com hmm I'm exactly the same , and up until a few months ago stated I was straight on our profile . This was despite always having the odd bit of fun with convincing tgirls . Anyway I decided to come out as bi curious as there seemed no suitable option . I do state what kind of bi I am on our profile though . "I would say your bi curious if you are thinking about it...but once it had happened surely the curiosity has gone and if you repeat it your simply bi. That's my take on it  | |||
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"Hi all just like to clear something up in my head. I love sexy hot convincing sexy t girls & had quite a few fun times with them, But I'm not into guys or hpw or any tranny that I can see thru that resembles a guy. So I don't think I'm gay or bi as I dont fancy the same sex but I'm sucking a girly cock so I'm confused.com hmm I'm exactly the same , and up until a few months ago stated I was straight on our profile . This was despite always having the odd bit of fun with convincing tgirls . Anyway I decided to come out as bi curious as there seemed no suitable option . I do state what kind of bi I am on our profile though .
I would say your bi curious if you are thinking about it...but once it had happened surely the curiosity has gone and if you repeat it your simply bi.
That's my take on it "Yeah I get what you're saying , but the term bi suggests that I am willing to go with guys which I'm not . A guy in guy mode does nothing for me . Even now we get messages from guys who ask if they can play with me too in an mmf meet . Profiles are rarely read , and despite saying I'm only interested in convincing tgirls , the requests for bi meets still keep coming ! Imagine if as a TV you constantly get bombarded with requests from guys who want to meet you when you don't want to meet them . You may prefer women , yet the tag tv is automatically a green light for bi guys to contact you for sex . Bloody frustrating . | |||
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"Hi all just like to clear something up in my head. I love sexy hot convincing sexy t girls & had quite a few fun times with them, But I'm not into guys or hpw or any tranny that I can see thru that resembles a guy. So I don't think I'm gay or bi as I dont fancy the same sex but I'm sucking a girly cock so I'm confused.com hmm I'm exactly the same , and up until a few months ago stated I was straight on our profile . This was despite always having the odd bit of fun with convincing tgirls . Anyway I decided to come out as bi curious as there seemed no suitable option . I do state what kind of bi I am on our profile though .
I would say your bi curious if you are thinking about it...but once it had happened surely the curiosity has gone and if you repeat it your simply bi.
That's my take on it
Yeah I get what you're saying , but the term bi suggests that I am willing to go with guys which I'm not . A guy in guy mode does nothing for me .
Even now we get messages from guys who ask if they can play with me too in an mmf meet .
Profiles are rarely read , and despite saying I'm only interested in convincing tgirls , the requests for bi meets still keep coming !
Imagine if as a TV you constantly get bombarded with requests from guys who want to meet you when you don't want to meet them . You may prefer women , yet the tag tv is automatically a green light for bi guys to contact you for sex . Bloody frustrating ."Mate it is bloody frustrating as nearly all my pics are fabbed by men or tvs or couples...viewed me are by tvs or couples...messages and winks tvs or couples. The only reason none are by men is my filters....and the amount I get off single women are on close inspection of their photos...bloody tvs saying they are women. I give up  | |||
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"Yeah I get what you're saying , but the term bi suggests that I am willing to go with guys which I'm not . A guy in guy mode does nothing for me ." That's because people insist on blurring the boundaries between sexuality and general preference. That you're turned on by femininity and off by masculinity is simply a preference, just like some prefer taller, younger, blonde etc. and might not be willing to touch anyone outside of that demographic with a very long pole. Sexuality (broadly speaking) boils down to whether or not your partner having a penis or a vagina is an absolute deal breaker. Anything beyond that is preference. It's amazing how many guys have no interest in a TV unless they're willing to dress a particular way. Stockings and heels being the favourites. A lot of trans attracted men seem to objectify T-Girls: reduce them from a person to a collection of clothes and body parts to be consumed for their enjoyment. I'm sure a lot of straight men do the same to women. | |||
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Are you Bi if you do what she wants, you sucked a phalus, it entered your anus however a woman did it, an act normally seen as a homosexual act ...are you now Gay or Hetro ?
Confusing isn't it ?
It actually doesn't have to be, you decide what you are and whatever you do with another consenting adult really has nothing to do with anyone else, ask the question if you want but don't fret over it | |||
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"You meet a Woman in a bar, you go to her house, she leads you up the stairs, you both undress, naked you lie on the bed she is standing over you, then she turns away and leaves the room, confused you still wait on the bed. She re-enters the room you look down ...and there's a bloody big strap on Penis, she demands you to suck on it and then she's going to turn you over and ...ouch
Are you Bi if you do what she wants, you sucked a phalus, it entered your anus however a woman did it, an act normally seen as a homosexual act ...are you now Gay or Hetro ?
Confusing isn't it ?
It actually doesn't have to be, you decide what you are and whatever you do with another consenting adult really has nothing to do with anyone else, ask the question if you want but don't fret over it "Never happened to me....but I would really say that is anal sex with a woman using a sex toy as opposed to a man. I think that's a little different but that's just my opinion | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. " Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. " Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything. | |||
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"Yeah I get what you're saying , but the term bi suggests that I am willing to go with guys which I'm not . A guy in guy mode does nothing for me . That's because people insist on blurring the boundaries between sexuality and general preference. That you're turned on by femininity and off by masculinity is simply a preference, just like some prefer taller, younger, blonde etc. and might not be willing to touch anyone outside of that demographic with a very long pole. Sexuality (broadly speaking) boils down to whether or not your partner having a penis or a vagina is an absolute deal breaker. Anything beyond that is preference. It's amazing how many guys have no interest in a TV unless they're willing to dress a particular way. Stockings and heels being the favourites. A lot of trans attracted men seem to objectify T-Girls: reduce them from a person to a collection of clothes and body parts to be consumed for their enjoyment. I'm sure a lot of straight men do the same to women." The objectification in the sense that the way a tgirl presents herself is the attraction is of course the truth . And what's wrong with that ? We meet quite a few tgirls , and fully understand the time and effort they put in to look as gorgeous as they do . Our appreciation is genuine , albeit somewhat objective . But the very way they present themselves is to be desired in such a way as we do isn't it ? We swing and play for the sheer fun we and our playmates have . If a tgirl turns up for a meet in very plain and drab clothes , no make up and looks like a plain Jane we aren't going to be as turned on at all . But nor would we be if it was a woman , so it's not objectification of the tgirl any more than it is with anyone else really . | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. " OK maybe the TS could possibly consider themself as straight, if the other identifies as male, which does make it more complex... Being bi does not mean usual rules of attraction are suspended. And contrary to some beliefs a straight man in the company of a bi or gay man is not going to have to fend off unwanted advances. I really don't understand the difficulty some mainly men have with this. | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community." | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community." ....and??? | |||
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"artificialname said: 2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. " "Trixta said: Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. " "artificialname said: OK maybe the TS could possibly consider themself as straight, if the other identifies as male, which does make it more complex... Being bi does not mean usual rules of attraction are suspended. And contrary to some beliefs a straight man in the company of a bi or gay man is not going to have to fend off unwanted advances. I really don't understand the difficulty some mainly men have with this." . . . No offence intended 'artificialname', but when you attempt to expand upon your original triteness you only serve to expose yourself as a hammer in a world of screws. Please keep the noise down. Yours sincerely A loose screw  | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community. ....and???" And? A man who sucks another man's cock has a sexuality, that most decent people will respect, and even defend. A man who sucks a T-Girl's cock has a fetish and is a pervert. Not just to the straights, but to many who count themselves as part of the LGBT community. Doesn't that scream 'double standard' to you? It does to me. | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community. ....and??? And? A man who sucks another man's cock has a sexuality, that most decent people will respect, and even defend. A man who sucks a T-Girl's cock has a fetish and is a pervert. Not just to the straights, but to many who count themselves as part of the LGBT community. Doesn't that scream 'double standard' to you? It does to me." Sorry I was saying 'and?'to Diamond couple who appeared to copy your post without adding anything. | |||
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"Sorry I was saying 'and?'to Diamond couple who appeared to copy your post without adding anything." Sorry, I couldn't tell that from the quote. No hard feelings | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything."There's claiming to identify as a spaceship, and there's sincerely identifying as a spaceship. Two very different things. I still say that core sexuality is about anatomy: two people with penises (or with vaginas) = a homosexual act. Whether or not 'gay' and 'straight' correlate directly to 'homo' and 'hetero' is another matter. There's an argument that 'straight' is about attraction to genders other than your own, and that could include a man being attracted to males, but only if they present as female. | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything.
There's claiming to identify as a spaceship, and there's sincerely identifying as a spaceship. Two very different things.
I still say that core sexuality is about anatomy: two people with penises (or with vaginas) = a homosexual act. Whether or not 'gay' and 'straight' correlate directly to 'homo' and 'hetero' is another matter. There's an argument that 'straight' is about attraction to genders other than your own, and that could include a man being attracted to males, but only if they present as female.""there's an argument that straight is about attraction to genders other than your own".I'm sorry but that is ridiculous.if a guy is having sex with another guy with a wig on dosent change the fact that the guy knows he is fucking a dude with a wig irrespective of how convicing the tv is.why does society have to over complicate things these days like it's the in fashion thing to do. all I can see is its to pander to the easily offended and those that will always feel persecuted against and or insecure about themselves and what they like, and its rational and logical folk who seem to have to go along with it or we are labled dicrimitory assholes.the guy in question would be bi and don't you think trying to label bi guys straight and vice versa etc just enhances stigma and the need for people to hide or justify their sexuality when infact it would be much easier to just say look man you enjoy fucking blokes dressed as a woman.Your bi if you feel you have to put a label on it, but you know what nobody cares anyway just do what you like and enjoy. | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything.
There's claiming to identify as a spaceship, and there's sincerely identifying as a spaceship. Two very different things.
I still say that core sexuality is about anatomy: two people with penises (or with vaginas) = a homosexual act. Whether or not 'gay' and 'straight' correlate directly to 'homo' and 'hetero' is another matter. There's an argument that 'straight' is about attraction to genders other than your own, and that could include a man being attracted to males, but only if they present as female."But even if I sincerely identify as a spaceship surely I am still not, in fact and objectively speaking, a spaceship in that I do fulfill the terms of the commonly accepted definition of a spaceship. | |||
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"Is it wrong just to be bi just to meet the female of the couple" Yes because if your not your deceiving half of that couple. | |||
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"Is it wrong just to be bi just to meet the female of the couple Yes because if your not your deceiving half of that couple." Id do anything to get with her even suck fecking cock...i fancy her way to much  | |||
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"Is it wrong just to be bi just to meet the female of the couple" You know it's deceptive to pretend to be bi in this instance . The male half will know straight away what you are doing , and will not be happy . | |||
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"Is it wrong just to be bi just to meet the female of the couple Yes because if your not your deceiving half of that couple." Both of them really. | |||
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"Is it wrong just to be bi just to meet the female of the couple Yes because if your not your deceiving half of that couple. Both of them really. " I know,i know...my fellings over rid my head..nipping this in the bud right now | |||
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 exible - fluid , but primarily straight .
So what we actually have are as follows .
If we present ourselves as bi curious it suggests we may be open to any bi play .
If we present ourselves as bisexual it suggests we are open to any type of bi play .
Neither of these options present the actual facts about ones actual preference .
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"We should have more options available on here . Bi selfish - likes attention from same sex but doesn't give back . Bi playful - only bi in the right situation . Orally bi - only bi orally , no penetration . Bi selective - only bi in certain aspects , such as myself as I am only bi with tgirls . Het exible - fluid , but primarily straight .
So what we actually have are as follows .
If we present ourselves as bi curious it suggests we may be open to any bi play .
If we present ourselves as bisexual it suggests we are open to any type of bi play .
Neither of these options present the actual facts about ones actual preference .
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"Is it wrong just to be bi just to meet the female of the couple" Also if I ever happened to find myself in a situation where I was meeting as a couple, and we were meeting a bi guy. I would be wanting to watch the two guys together for a little while, before I joined in anyway. | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community. ....and??? And? A man who sucks another man's cock has a sexuality, that most decent people will respect, and even defend. A man who sucks a T-Girl's cock has a fetish and is a pervert. Not just to the straights, but to many who count themselves as part of the LGBT community. Doesn't that scream 'double standard' to you? It does to me." A trans attracted person would have the same protection from harassment and discrimination under the law as any gay person. Where is the stigma? It's just two consenting adults indulging in legal activities.Even those on this thread who seem less concerned about gender identity, have stated that a man and his T girlfriend should just crack on and no one really cares what consenting adults get up to. Who is calling them fetishists and perverts? | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything.
There's claiming to identify as a spaceship, and there's sincerely identifying as a spaceship. Two very different things.
I still say that core sexuality is about anatomy: two people with penises (or with vaginas) = a homosexual act. Whether or not 'gay' and 'straight' correlate directly to 'homo' and 'hetero' is another matter. There's an argument that 'straight' is about attraction to genders other than your own, and that could include a man being attracted to males, but only if they present as female."there's an argument that straight is about attraction to genders other than your own".I'm sorry but that is ridiculous.if a guy is having sex with another guy with a wig on dosent change the fact that the guy knows he is fucking a dude with a wig irrespective of how convicing the tv is.why does society have to over complicate things these days like it's the in fashion thing to do. all I can see is its to pander to the easily offended and those that will always feel persecuted against and or insecure about themselves and what they like, and its rational and logical folk who seem to have to go along with it or we are labled dicrimitory assholes.the guy in question would be bi and don't you think trying to label bi guys straight and vice versa etc just enhances stigma and the need for people to hide or justify their sexuality when infact it would be much easier to just say look man you enjoy fucking blokes dressed as a woman.Your bi if you feel you have to put a label on it, but you know what nobody cares anyway just do what you like and enjoy."You're free to seek your own understanding, of course. And yes, life would be a lot easier if we didn't still have the stigma of being gay or bi. Perhaps it genuinely wouldn't matter, then. But ultimately, why does how someone perceives their own sexuality even matter to you? If you're trying to help them to understand it because they asked, then that's one thing. If you're simply saying that your understanding of sexuality is more important than their right to identify as they please, then I have to ask you why you feel so strongly about it. If a guy says he's straight, then he's straight. I don't care who he has sex with, that's his identity and I will respect it. The spacecraft argument (it's usually an attack helicopter, for what it's worth) is ridiculous. Nobody sincerely identifies as one, for starters. Secondly, someone is objectively not a spacecraft. To say someone is not a woman needs a rigid definition of 'woman.' Some say chromosomes. Some say the ability to reproduce. Some say genitals. All things that could legitimately exclude some people who were born and raised as female. "Man" and "Woman" are socital roles that vary hugely between cultures. The fact that they're distinct from "Boy" and "Girl" demonstrates that there's more to them than biological sex. It isn't about people being special snowflakes. It's about them having put a lot more thought into it, and realised that gender and biological sex are two completely different things. | |||
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"That's cool but how many sexual orientations would you like to see.? Sexual liberation is rolling along quite nicely. Loads. They just don't all need to have names. There are only four sexualities: homo (same), hetero (other), bi (both) and a (neither.) There are as many orientations (preferences overlaid onto those sexualities) as you can think of. Blonde. Brunette. Redhead. Tall. Fat. Thin. Older. Younger. Masculine. Feminine. There are infinite possibilities and that's fine, as long as we don't go trying to turn every permutation of attraction and repulsion into its own named sexuality. I suppose what's important here is prejudice. Trans-attracted guys face the same stigma as being gay or bi, but without the support to combat it. Being gay or bi is largely recognised as legitimate, and your rights are defended by various organisations. But if you're a straight guy who happens to prefer a woman with a penis, you're still treated as a fetishist. Not least by the trans community." I disagree. Sexuality is a spectrum, not a set of categories, and there are an infinite number of locations on that spectrum. (It's a variation on the coastline paradox - the more accurately you measure it the more the length approaches infinity.) | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything.
There's claiming to identify as a spaceship, and there's sincerely identifying as a spaceship. Two very different things.
I still say that core sexuality is about anatomy: two people with penises (or with vaginas) = a homosexual act. Whether or not 'gay' and 'straight' correlate directly to 'homo' and 'hetero' is another matter. There's an argument that 'straight' is about attraction to genders other than your own, and that could include a man being attracted to males, but only if they present as female."there's an argument that straight is about attraction to genders other than your own".I'm sorry but that is ridiculous.if a guy is having sex with another guy with a wig on dosent change the fact that the guy knows he is fucking a dude with a wig irrespective of how convicing the tv is.why does society have to over complicate things these days like it's the in fashion thing to do. all I can see is its to pander to the easily offended and those that will always feel persecuted against and or insecure about themselves and what they like, and its rational and logical folk who seem to have to go along with it or we are labled dicrimitory assholes.the guy in question would be bi and don't you think trying to label bi guys straight and vice versa etc just enhances stigma and the need for people to hide or justify their sexuality when infact it would be much easier to just say look man you enjoy fucking blokes dressed as a woman.Your bi if you feel you have to put a label on it, but you know what nobody cares anyway just do what you like and enjoy.
You're free to seek your own understanding, of course. And yes, life would be a lot easier if we didn't still have the stigma of being gay or bi. Perhaps it genuinely wouldn't matter, then. But ultimately, why does how someone perceives their own sexuality even matter to you? If you're trying to help them to understand it because they asked, then that's one thing. If you're simply saying that your understanding of sexuality is more important than their right to identify as they please, then I have to ask you why you feel so strongly about it.
If a guy says he's straight, then he's straight. I don't care who he has sex with, that's his identity and I will respect it.
The spacecraft argument (it's usually an attack helicopter, for what it's worth) is ridiculous. Nobody sincerely identifies as one, for starters. Secondly, someone is objectively not a spacecraft. To say someone is not a woman needs a rigid definition of 'woman.' Some say chromosomes. Some say the ability to reproduce. Some say genitals. All things that could legitimately exclude some people who were born and raised as female. "Man" and "Woman" are socital roles that vary hugely between cultures. The fact that they're distinct from "Boy" and "Girl" demonstrates that there's more to them than biological sex.
It isn't about people being special snowflakes. It's about them having put a lot more thought into it, and realised that gender and biological sex are two completely different things. "interesting read.you have bacicly answered your own question with the whole chromosomes and gentils, but the thing is it's not just some people that say so it's science and basic biology.I could get into the whole transgender is technically classed as a mental illness which again is backed by science and people in the healthcare industry who are far more qualified than you are me(you only have to see the 40% suicide rate to see what pandering to what ever people want can lead too).may be going off topic so I will put it this way.if a straight guy who fucks a bloke in a wig Is classed as straight like you want it to be then what would a guy that only sleeps with real women be called then?do you see my point,where does it end.feel free to think you are whatever you want to be but just don't expect people to HAVE to take you serious or to pretend with you as to me that's what large parts of this entitilled generation seem to expect.you can apply that same logic to other aspects of life like nonsense racist and equality issue's. | |||
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"This is really really common and I've heard it a hundred times from guys. 1. Just enjoy Intimacy with whomever pleases you. 2. Don't worry about other's labels of you 3. Sexual orientation can be very fluid and changing for many people 4. When in doubt just put bi curious and relax! Enjoy your sexual expression and voyage of discovery and remember that Fab women are mostly bi anyway and they really like bi curious and bi guys "absolutely this.spot on . | |||
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"interesting read.you have bacicly answered your own question with the whole chromosomes and gentils, but the thing is it's not just some people that say so it's science and basic biology.I could get into the whole transgender is technically classed as a mental illness which again is backed by science and people in the healthcare industry who are far more qualified than you are me(you only have to see the 40% suicide rate to see what pandering to what ever people want can lead too).may be going off topic so I will put it this way.if a straight guy who fucks a bloke in a wig Is classed as straight like you want it to be then what would a guy that only sleeps with real women be called then?do you see my point,where does it end.feel free to think you are whatever you want to be but just don't expect people to HAVE to take you serious or to pretend with you as to me that's what large parts of this entitilled generation seem to expect.you can apply that same logic to other aspects of life like nonsense racist and equality issue's." Being transgender hadn't been considered a mental illness for a number of years. Historically, it was, but then historically, homosexuality was illegal, too. I didn't answer my own question at all. Gender is about chromosomes? Tell that to the woman, born with a vagina, who had full Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, and is genetically male. Gender is about the ability to give birth? Tell that to a woman who has fertility problems. Gender is about genitals? No, that's 'sex', and even that's complicated once people start feeding their bodies with hormones. Gender is a social construct. It's less about having an inny or an outie than it is about whether you should wear pink and like Barbie or wear blue and prefer Action Man. Gender is all of the bullshit that society tells you you should be or do, because of the sex you were born. The roles vary massively, depending on culture. In some societies, we get close to gender equality. In others, women still aren't allowed to vote, drive a car, or even ride a bicycle, and are still practically the property of men. There are plenty of people like the OP who have no interest in 'men' but do like to get their hands on a penis, if it's presented in a suitably feminine manner. I realise that's confusing when you're trying to put people into little boxes. So why keep trying? | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything."What is saceship? 
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything.
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"interesting read.you have bacicly answered your own question with the whole chromosomes and gentils, but the thing is it's not just some people that say so it's science and basic biology.I could get into the whole transgender is technically classed as a mental illness which again is backed by science and people in the healthcare industry who are far more qualified than you are me(you only have to see the 40% suicide rate to see what pandering to what ever people want can lead too).may be going off topic so I will put it this way.if a straight guy who fucks a bloke in a wig Is classed as straight like you want it to be then what would a guy that only sleeps with real women be called then?do you see my point,where does it end.feel free to think you are whatever you want to be but just don't expect people to HAVE to take you serious or to pretend with you as to me that's what large parts of this entitilled generation seem to expect.you can apply that same logic to other aspects of life like nonsense racist and equality issue's. Being transgender hadn't been considered a mental illness for a number of years. Historically, it was, but then historically, homosexuality was illegal, too. I didn't answer my own question at all. Gender is about chromosomes? Tell that to the woman, born with a vagina, who had full Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome, and is genetically male. Gender is about the ability to give birth? Tell that to a woman who has fertility problems. Gender is about genitals? No, that's 'sex', and even that's complicated once people start feeding their bodies with hormones. Gender is a social construct. It's less about having an inny or an outie than it is about whether you should wear pink and like Barbie or wear blue and prefer Action Man. Gender is all of the bullshit that society tells you you should be or do, because of the sex you were born. The roles vary massively, depending on culture. In some societies, we get close to gender equality. In others, women still aren't allowed to vote, drive a car, or even ride a bicycle, and are still practically the property of men. There are plenty of people like the OP who have no interest in 'men' but do like to get their hands on a penis, if it's presented in a suitably feminine manner. I realise that's confusing when you're trying to put people into little boxes. So why keep trying?" I'm I'm be quick as this is going nowhere.Your argument about the chromosomes.woman has a birth defect so your point is invalid.the gender one, the woman had a birth defect and or illness so your point is invalid.the gender and sex one.don't put hormones into your body to try and force a change that a chemical imbalance in your brain is telling you to do.yes granted transgender issues can't be labbled a mental illness as it causes offence but it IS a mentel illness due to an imbalance in the brain like depression and any other neurological dissorder.any respectable neurologist will tell you this .and for your last staement I'm not trying to put anyone into boxes in just talking with common sense and logic.if a guy enjoys fucking guys in wigs he is bi it's that simple and ironicly it's you who has the problem with something and wants to over complicate something that should be plain and simple.for example I will go back to what started this conversation off.you say a straight guy can fuck a bloke in a wig and still be straight.all ask you again.therefore what would a straight guy that only fucks real women be then or does your logic not have a little box for that .just thought I would add the equality issue was land in the country we live and play in(the western world),of course there are REAL issues in other backword thinking country's. | |||
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"2 people having sex, 2 cocks in the room = bi. Its not complucated?. Unless one of them doesn't identify as male. Just because someone dosent identify as a bloke dosent mean that they are a woman. by that logic I can identify as a saceship.does that mean I am one lol.the guy is bi and it's no big deal but no amount of pretending for what ever reasons is going to change anything.
What is saceship?
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"I'm I'm be quick as this is going nowhere.Your argument about the chromosomes.woman has a birth defect so your point is invalid.the gender one, the woman had a birth defect and or illness so your point is invalid.the gender and sex one.don't put hormones into your body to try and force a change that a chemical imbalance in your brain is telling you to do.yes granted transgender issues can't be labbled a mental illness as it causes offence but it IS a mentel illness due to an imbalance in the brain like depression and any other neurological dissorder.any respectable neurologist will tell you this .and for your last staement I'm not trying to put anyone into boxes in just talking with common sense and logic.if a guy enjoys fucking guys in wigs he is bi it's that simple and ironicly it's you who has the problem with something and wants to over complicate something that should be plain and simple.for example I will go back to what started this conversation off.you say a straight guy can fuck a bloke in a wig and still be straight.all ask you again.therefore what would a straight guy that only fucks real women be then or does your logic not have a little box for that .just thought I would add the equality issue was land in the country we live and play in(the western world),of course there are REAL issues in other backword thinking country's."You say my points are invalid, but you don't say why. Do you think that people with birth defects don't count? Nice. Granted, you can't use the same arguments to justify Derek from Accounts sticking on a wig and some fishnets, so that when another bloke sucks his cock, they can both kid each other that they're straight. But there's a whole spectrum of transgender, and Derek is just scratching the surface. Now picture someone who lives full time in the role, has perhaps taken blockers that killed off their male sexual function, while taking feminising hormones that have given them curves and bumps in the right places. Someone finds them attractive enough to take them to bed, but only to do the things that they would do with a woman. Is that person straight, gay, bisexual or what? And why is it any of our business? Of course Fab is full of people like Derek, and that skews the idea that a lot of people here have about what being transgender actually is. One thing it isn't is a mental illness. The medical text books, written by people qualified to make that judgement, say that it isn't. You're entitled to your own, narrow, presumably unqualified opinion. Just know that medical professionals disagree with you. | |||
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" NicoleChesterTV Whilst your argument is valid and does make sense to me, what doesn't make sense is how can someone have sex with her as if she was a woman; she has a penis!!! Understand that I personally don't have an issue with who has sex with who and the type of sex they have - Mrs. J - PS. There are three scientific papers on the internet where it was proven that the sexual-dimorphic functions of a m-to-f is similar to that of born women. But what about the genitals?" I can't for the life of me see why you are so fixated on the genitals . We have met full time tgirls , pre and post op tg's ( male to female ) , and TVs , and all of them have identified themselves as female when out and dressed . Whether or not they have a penis is totally irrelevant when they are playing , it's irrelevant to us , and to them . You don't want to meet them , or men who have played with them . Your choice , but to keep harking on about how you can't see how anyone can identify as a female when they have a penis , or that anyone playing with someone who has played with such a person must be gay or bi , is quite frankly narrow minded and blinkered . | |||
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" NicoleChesterTV Whilst your argument is valid and does make sense to me, what doesn't make sense is how can someone have sex with her as if she was a woman; she has a penis!!! Understand that I personally don't have an issue with who has sex with who and the type of sex they have - Mrs. J - PS. There are three scientific papers on the internet where it was proven that the sexual-dimorphic functions of a m-to-f is similar to that of born women. But what about the genitals? I can't for the life of me see why you are so fixated on the genitals . We have met full time tgirls , pre and post op tg's ( male to female ) , and TVs , and all of them have identified themselves as female when out and dressed . Whether or not they have a penis is totally irrelevant when they are playing , it's irrelevant to us , and to them . You don't want to meet them , or men who have played with them . Your choice , but to keep harking on about how you can't see how anyone can identify as a female when they have a penis , or that anyone playing with someone who has played with such a person must be gay or bi , is quite frankly narrow minded and blinkered . " I don't question your views or fetishes Don't question mine!!! Penis = man Vagina = woman - Mrs. J - | |||
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"Sexuality is fluid, it is not something fixed in concrete. As long as you are doing no harm to yourself or others go with the flow and with what feels right to you." Couldn't have put it any better. I don't like how we are forced to label ourselves and feel we need to conform to it. I am a little pan, demi, sapio bla bla bla, I am ME! | |||
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"Sexuality is fluid, it is not something fixed in concrete. As long as you are doing no harm to yourself or others go with the flow and with what feels right to you." Yours might be. Not everyone is like you Men who play with cocks are certainly not heterosexual. They may be fluid or whatever nonsense they choose to describe themselves as but they are NOT heterosexual in any sense of the word They might hate themselves for doing this and therefore either want to describe themselves as heterosexual or by claiming that the whole world is bisexual to some degree If it makes them feel better about themselves deluding themselves then fine. But they shouldn't lie to others as others might use that information to make their choices - Mrs. J - | |||
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exible on that well known BDSM sight.
I'm not straight and I'm not gay. I'm not particularly concerned by the labels or by how others might want to interpret my desires. What matters to me is being open about the fact that I am somewhere on the bi spectrum.
I see from your profile that you are open about it too. You've left the door open for all potential avenues of pleasure. In the context of this sight I think that's all that really matters. | |||
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"I'm I'm be quick as this is going nowhere.Your argument about the chromosomes.woman has a birth defect so your point is invalid.the gender one, the woman had a birth defect and or illness so your point is invalid.the gender and sex one.don't put hormones into your body to try and force a change that a chemical imbalance in your brain is telling you to do.yes granted transgender issues can't be labbled a mental illness as it causes offence but it IS a mentel illness due to an imbalance in the brain like depression and any other neurological dissorder.any respectable neurologist will tell you this .and for your last staement I'm not trying to put anyone into boxes in just talking with common sense and logic.if a guy enjoys fucking guys in wigs he is bi it's that simple and ironicly it's you who has the problem with something and wants to over complicate something that should be plain and simple.for example I will go back to what started this conversation off.you say a straight guy can fuck a bloke in a wig and still be straight.all ask you again.therefore what would a straight guy that only fucks real women be then or does your logic not have a little box for that .just thought I would add the equality issue was land in the country we live and play in(the western world),of course there are REAL issues in other backword thinking country's.
You say my points are invalid, but you don't say why. Do you think that people with birth defects don't count? Nice.
Granted, you can't use the same arguments to justify Derek from Accounts sticking on a wig and some fishnets, so that when another bloke sucks his cock, they can both kid each other that they're straight. But there's a whole spectrum of transgender, and Derek is just scratching the surface. Now picture someone who lives full time in the role, has perhaps taken blockers that killed off their male sexual function, while taking feminising hormones that have given them curves and bumps in the right places. Someone finds them attractive enough to take them to bed, but only to do the things that they would do with a woman. Is that person straight, gay, bisexual or what? And why is it any of our business?
Of course Fab is full of people like Derek, and that skews the idea that a lot of people here have about what being transgender actually is. One thing it isn't is a mental illness. The medical text books, written by people qualified to make that judgement, say that it isn't. You're entitled to your own, narrow, presumably unqualified opinion. Just know that medical professionals disagree with you."look I get it this is a big issue for you and I appreciate that but this is going nowhere as so many points and questions are being rased at once.let's do one at a time lol.my original question that started this all off is.if a straight guy fucks a bloke in a wig how can he still be straight.what would you then have to change and call a genuine straight guy who only fucks real women to satisfy people who can't accept there sexuality. | |||
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