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"I find these topics amusing, purely as it's the double standards of Fabs showing themselves again. Single guys or single girls I would always be dubious of, more so if they're are not consistent with being on here, my fwb sees this a lot also. So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. What's more annoying is the amount of "single" girl profiles that, right in the small print, sat their partner will always be about/no solo meets. So why advertise as a single female if your not one? Happy Friday peeps "Thing is though a single woman who invites a man back to her home is more vulnerable than a single man who invites a woman back, so I can understand why genuinely single women might not accomodate. Also they are more likely to have kids at home then single men. . Hence it's reasonable to be more suspicious of single men who can't accommodate. I agree about allegedly single women who insist on a partner being there. They are a couple! | |||
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"I find these topics amusing, purely as it's the double standards of Fabs showing themselves again. Single guys or single girls I would always be dubious of, more so if they're are not consistent with being on here, my fwb sees this a lot also. So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. What's more annoying is the amount of "single" girl profiles that, right in the small print, sat their partner will always be about/no solo meets. So why advertise as a single female if your not one? Happy Friday peeps "You're right and wrong. You're right about double standards. Fab forums are far more forgiving of women playing away while men doing the same get crucified. I personally have no issues with married men and since I say that on my profile, a fair number of "single" men write to say Hi and then confess they're attached but have to hide it or else risk getting an earful. Again, doesn't bother me and while I don't understand why others morally judge attached men, they are entitled to their preferences. Regarding girls not accommodating as "annoying" - please! As bicplnorthlondon says, it's a SAFETY issue. I'm one of the few that DOES accommodate but I take a VERY long time before deciding to meet (sometimes for ever) just to vet them out. Some blokes get pissed and tell me off even accuse me of not being genuine. I get a bad vibe I tell them no to meeting. If I invite a fella to my place for an instant meet and he turns out to be anything from not hygienic to a bit psycho, and I then tell him NO guess what? I risk being ra ped and NO court or law enforcement will take my word for it (regarding being ra ped) because hey - I invited this fella off a swinging site for sex so that ra pe was really consensual. x | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make." You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? | |||
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" So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. Thing is though a single woman who invites a man back to her home is more vulnerable than a single man who invites a woman back, so I can understand why genuinely single women might not accomodate. Also they are more likely to have kids at home then single men. . " I'm totally single, but have been asked numerous times why I can't accommodate or if I have a partner at home. No, I have teenagers. Who are prone to appearing without any warning. Even a weekend with their dad (who is less than 5minutes walk away) isn't safe. One turned up at 2am once as he wanted an Xbox game! | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? " Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it." It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? " I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact." There is no need for that because I will not fail to tell any lady to her face I have multiple ladies when I decide to take the conversation there especially if I really like her. | |||
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" So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. Thing is though a single woman who invites a man back to her home is more vulnerable than a single man who invites a woman back, so I can understand why genuinely single women might not accomodate. Also they are more likely to have kids at home then single men. . I'm totally single, but have been asked numerous times why I can't accommodate or if I have a partner at home. No, I have teenagers. Who are prone to appearing without any warning. Even a weekend with their dad (who is less than 5minutes walk away) isn't safe. One turned up at 2am once as he wanted an Xbox game! " Amd i bet most of the guys who asked you just said "fair enough" or a similar statement Ive been met with outright disbelife, and abuse when i couldnt accomodate due to living at home, or sharing my house with "real world friends" who i dont want involving in my fab life Excellent example of fab logic 18 yr old male who cant accomodate, well he must be a lying cheating scumbag because he is a male who claims to be single on fab! What utter shite! But woman are not olny "allowed" to cheat on here, but are encoraged to flaunt their infedelity with no backlash. In short ladies If your going to be putraged by something....be consistant amd give both men AND woman who do it shit, dont bash one amd praise the other. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me." I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. | |||
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" So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. Thing is though a single woman who invites a man back to her home is more vulnerable than a single man who invites a woman back, so I can understand why genuinely single women might not accomodate. Also they are more likely to have kids at home then single men. . I'm totally single, but have been asked numerous times why I can't accommodate or if I have a partner at home. No, I have teenagers. Who are prone to appearing without any warning. Even a weekend with their dad (who is less than 5minutes walk away) isn't safe. One turned up at 2am once as he wanted an Xbox game! Amd i bet most of the guys who asked you just said "fair enough" or a similar statement Ive been met with outright disbelife, and abuse when i couldnt accomodate due to living at home, or sharing my house with "real world friends" who i dont want involving in my fab life Excellent example of fab logic 18 yr old male who cant accomodate, well he must be a lying cheating scumbag because he is a male who claims to be single on fab! What utter shite! But woman are not olny "allowed" to cheat on here, but are encoraged to flaunt their infedelity with no backlash. In short ladies If your going to be putraged by something....be consistant amd give both men AND woman who do it shit, dont bash one amd praise the other." This is hilarious because you'll find a gender and status difference in who does the bashing and the praising! | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact." I see your point. But if someone is playing single whilst attached and lets play nice and assume with consent its no different for someone meeting them than meeting a truly single person who meets different people. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences." This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact. I see your point. But if someone is playing single whilst attached and lets play nice and assume with consent its no different for someone meeting them than meeting a truly single person who meets different people." Not when there are those of us who want truly single men. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? " it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? " In a relationship without knowledge of partner. However, i should not have singled out the cheating guys as those with consent also cheese me off  . | |||
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"Is there any lady who goes to the clubs that does not have some sort of a boyfriend? Why is it that you don't question ladies and say they cheating ladies but you question the guys? In any case if you asked my girlfriend if she had a boyfriend, she will tell you yes straight away. However, she does not state that on her profile and nobody finds any problems with that, why do I gave to state it on my profile?" I don't question the ladies as i don't seek them. Someone who does, can  . | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact. I see your point. But if someone is playing single whilst attached and lets play nice and assume with consent its no different for someone meeting them than meeting a truly single person who meets different people. Not when there are those of us who want truly single men." Well yeah fair enough. I personally dont see the distinction between a truly single woman and an attached woman playing solo with partners full consent. We are all different and i respect your opinion of course. | |||
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"Is there any lady who goes to the clubs that does not have some sort of a boyfriend? Why is it that you don't question ladies and say they cheating ladies but you question the guys? In any case if you asked my girlfriend if she had a boyfriend, she will tell you yes straight away. However, she does not state that on her profile and nobody finds any problems with that, why do I gave to state it on my profile? I don't question the ladies as i don't seek them. Someone who does, can ."i wouldn't want to meet attached women either, if someone's cheating im not interested,its very simple....and to say that every woman who goes to a club has a boyfriend is completely ridiculous. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.." When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. | |||
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" So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. Thing is though a single woman who invites a man back to her home is more vulnerable than a single man who invites a woman back, so I can understand why genuinely single women might not accomodate. Also they are more likely to have kids at home then single men. . I'm totally single, but have been asked numerous times why I can't accommodate or if I have a partner at home. No, I have teenagers. Who are prone to appearing without any warning. Even a weekend with their dad (who is less than 5minutes walk away) isn't safe. One turned up at 2am once as he wanted an Xbox game! Amd i bet most of the guys who asked you just said "fair enough" or a similar statement Ive been met with outright disbelife, and abuse when i couldnt accomodate due to living at home, or sharing my house with "real world friends" who i dont want involving in my fab life Excellent example of fab logic 18 yr old male who cant accomodate, well he must be a lying cheating scumbag because he is a male who claims to be single on fab! What utter shite! But woman are not olny "allowed" to cheat on here, but are encoraged to flaunt their infedelity with no backlash. In short ladies If your going to be putraged by something....be consistant amd give both men AND woman who do it shit, dont bash one amd praise the other. This is hilarious because you'll find a gender and status difference in who does the bashing and the praising! " To the first reply. I have has a mix of replies, but tbh the ones that are far from polite are the ones that have a 'shag me now attitude' and can't handle any form of rejection. The others which are understanding, will take the time to talk to me like I'm a person with feelings, are the type I woukd meet with, when arrangements can be made. 2nd reply, I also find an age thing involved too. Seems to be the younger the person the more entitled they feel & they will be rude, a more mattress person has learnt being abusive doesn't get you anywhere. | |||
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"Many the single guys on here that have partners don't like the idea of there girls wives exetra being fucked by some one els its fine to fuck other mens partner but omg don't want mine fucked " Thats true of a fair number of men in couples profiles. Or is it? How do i know? How do you know your statement is true? | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle." Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle." it may be your definition, but if in plain english , if you are telling your partner you are monogamous, then no, you are not single. You can paint it however you like, but the language does not change, you are either single or not. It is not a fluid state that changes according to your surroundings! | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. it may be your definition, but if in plain english , if you are telling your partner you are monogamous, then no, you are not single. You can paint it however you like, but the language does not change, you are either single or not. It is not a fluid state that changes according to your surroundings!"  | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many." i do not have to provide 'evidence'...it is plain english...it doesn't change as i said, according to where you are. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many. i do not have to provide 'evidence'...it is plain english...it doesn't change as i said, according to where you are." I'm asking James to provide evidence that the word single changes when used in a swinging context. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many. i do not have to provide 'evidence'...it is plain english...it doesn't change as i said, according to where you are. I'm asking James to provide evidence that the word single changes when used in a swinging context." yes, sorry, just assumed without looking that it was his comment,always wanting 'evidence' for things! it's a stupid argument..though there's a shit ton of people out there who will be delighted to find out that the minute they walk through the door of a club their marital status has miraculously changed! | |||
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"So many presumptions and generalisations made on here. I'm very single and I can technically accommodate and might with somebody I know very very well after a number of previous meets. But generally no I won't, not because I can't but because I don't want to. I'm not going to invite randoms into my home for safety reasons and also I'm not the only one who lives there so not it's not exactly practical or discrete." Definitely married and cheating, probably bi too!!  | |||
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"Not asking anyone to out themselves, but we are curious as to what percentage of the allegedly single guys on here are actually in relationships with unknowning partners. We meet quite a few single guys and our experience is that a comfortable majority are actually attached in some way. But maybe that's just us... " As a single guy, talking to other guys at clubs (more likely to be honest about it), I would say about a third to a quarter are attached without permission in clubs. I would guess a lot more on fab as most wouldn't want to be seen going into a club. However women who come as a couple with a fb without their husband knowing is about the same. | |||
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"Wow, this took off, I can see why the word safety is used to defend woman who don't want to invite strangers into their home, but in the same breath some are quite happy to go back to a strangers house, or to a hotel room, if a person doesn't feel safe in their own home then where can they feel safe. I guess the answer to my own question is a club environment would be as close as it got. In a world where more and more middle aged people cannot afford to get on the property ladder, or may not be in a position to rent it's a sad fact they will still be living at home an this cannot accommodate. I would be more worried about people only looking for outdoor meets with people, this is a sure way to 'hide' any evidence of cheating, no receipts, no chance of being seen etc, I'd just like to be treated fairly, an if some want to know why I don't accommodate they're more than welcome to PM me, nothing to hide, just don't feel an open forum is always best to discuss certain personal circumstances. On another note it's Friday, have a tipple, enjoy the sun (if you've got any) an have a great nice what ever you decide to do "One point with not wanting someone in your home for a lot of women is that if you dont know them,you may prefer somewhere else simply because should they turn out to be completely unhinged, you dont really want them knowing where you live! you don't really want to have to leave your own house leaving a nutter behind! | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many. i do not have to provide 'evidence'...it is plain english...it doesn't change as i said, according to where you are. I'm asking James to provide evidence that the word single changes when used in a swinging context." I don't need to provide any evidence, lmao, you said "he has permission" , like my girlfriend has given me permission to be with the other ladies, it's not like that at all, I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club. | |||
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"Wasn't there a thread on this a while ago that tried to arrive at a "realistic" figure? Worth digging up as the op did a fair amount of research which, although a little wonky if I recall, was more interesting than a bunch of "dunno... probably a fair few" replies " Here it is... https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/636634 | |||
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"So many presumptions and generalisations made on here. I'm very single and I can technically accommodate and might with somebody I know very very well after a number of previous meets. But generally no I won't, not because I can't but because I don't want to. I'm not going to invite randoms into my home for safety reasons and also I'm not the only one who lives there so not it's not exactly practical or discrete. Definitely married and cheating, probably bi too!! "Damn you caught me | |||
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"So many presumptions and generalisations made on here. I'm very single and I can technically accommodate and might with somebody I know very very well after a number of previous meets. But generally no I won't, not because I can't but because I don't want to. I'm not going to invite randoms into my home for safety reasons and also I'm not the only one who lives there so not it's not exactly practical or discrete." So are you the type that expects the female to accommodate you then? As that is all I get on here, or are you going to put your hand in your pocket and pay for a hotel every time until you deem her worthy of being allowed to step foot over your threshold?  | |||
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"Not asking anyone to out themselves, but we are curious as to what percentage of the allegedly single guys on here are actually in relationships with unknowning partners. We meet quite a few single guys and our experience is that a comfortable majority are actually attached in some way. But maybe that's just us... " In my experience, 98% | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many. i do not have to provide 'evidence'...it is plain english...it doesn't change as i said, according to where you are. I'm asking James to provide evidence that the word single changes when used in a swinging context. I don't need to provide any evidence, lmao, you said "he has permission" , like my girlfriend has given me permission to be with the other ladies, it's not like that at all, I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club." You cannot provide evidence cos none exists. As for your ego - fuck me I've not come across one that is as over-inflated as yours before. | |||
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"So many presumptions and generalisations made on here. I'm very single and I can technically accommodate and might with somebody I know very very well after a number of previous meets. But generally no I won't, not because I can't but because I don't want to. I'm not going to invite randoms into my home for safety reasons and also I'm not the only one who lives there so not it's not exactly practical or discrete. So are you the type that expects the female to accommodate you then? As that is all I get on here, or are you going to put your hand in your pocket and pay for a hotel every time until you deem her worthy of being allowed to step foot over your threshold? "I wouldn't expect any lady to accommodate for the same reasons I prefer not to. It's got nothing to do with being worthy, I just don't want relative strangers in my home and I have good reason not to based on a personal experience. I don't see why that's unreasonable? Yes I usually use a hotel and I have paid on occasion but generally I expect to split the hotel cost 50/50, seems only fair to me? | |||
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"I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club. You cannot provide evidence cos none exists. As for your ego - fuck me I've not come across one that is as over-inflated as yours before." You know what, I've just read the whole thread and all I can say is 'Wow that James guy must be fucking amazing' | |||
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"Most guys don't have a spine and don't believe in themselves, that's why the ladies can go out and bang whoever they like and the guys cannot even tell them they have other ladies, plus ladies take guys home from the clubs regularly so I don't understand where the idea that ladies cannot accommodate is coming from. I have multiple ladies and I tell all of them to their face they are not the only ones am seeing plus I always give them the option to leave me if they don't like it, obviously they can see I always get new ladies all the time, infact am constantly getting new ladies so if they stay or leave it makes no difference to me." Yes indeed. Utter pathetic spinelessness. Such is the reality if the sex starved Anglicized male. I guess it's the product of centuries of patriarchal Christian dogma mixed with this oddball new age "feminism". I am dating someone outside of gab. Someone asked me this and I told them to piss off. People MUST understand the power of "no". Men included. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact." He's not hiding anything though. And, quite frankly, it's none of your business. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? I don't need to mention it , my girlfriend goes to the swingers club with me and I play as a single guy, she plays as a single girl and has her own profile, she has a lot of guys begging her to be in a couple thing with her but not me. I love the single guys category, I believe in myself , I don't like the couple thing in a swingers club, it is too slow for me, plus I know I will always catch new ladies on my own,so I don't need to a lady by my side to attract other ladies to me. All my ladies know each other and they know who is number 1 lady, nothing to hide with me. I've previously explained why. IMO not stating it shows a lack of courtesy. It could imply lack of respect or even the act of being devious. I'm not saying this pertains to you as you've been honest on this thread. It gets my goat when cheating guys contact me as they have either failed to read my profile or are not respectful of my preferences. This is what am talking about, what makes them cheating guys? it is very simple..if they are married, or in a monogamous, or what they lead their partner to believe is monogamous, relationship, and they are meeting others behind their partners back..then it is called 'cheating'..very simple...and i agree with the previous comment..people can do what they like, i couldn't give a shit, but if i specifically say i don't want to meet attached people, and they message me then they are showing a complete lack of respect, as well as it being a self defeating waste of time.. When the conversation gets to that level which it would , I would be the first to say it,I am looking to have more ladies and yes we can be in a relationship but there are other ladies on the team, just the same thing the hotwives do, am a single guy to every lady am with , I don't necessarily have to be single in the vanilla sense, this is the definition of the single guys category in the lifestyle. Provide evidence that's the definition in this swinging lifestyle, as i think you're fooling yourself. Single = one, couple = two and poly = many. i do not have to provide 'evidence'...it is plain english...it doesn't change as i said, according to where you are. I'm asking James to provide evidence that the word single changes when used in a swinging context. I don't need to provide any evidence, lmao, you said "he has permission" , like my girlfriend has given me permission to be with the other ladies, it's not like that at all, I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club. You cannot provide evidence cos none exists. As for your ego - fuck me I've not come across one that is as over-inflated as yours before." Oh I have. This one comes a close second though | |||
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"I think guys have to do better on here. The fact that people actually think they have a right to question the private relationship status of a stranger is exactly why idiots always end up complaining about "What a hard time single guys have on here". I don't think there is any criteria on the bio settings which requires one to state their relationship status. Stranger still is the fact that people actually care on what's meant to be a casual sex site. I have said it before and I have said it again...the vast majority of single women I come across on here seem to fall more in the "past it and over 30 and struggling to get any male attention and need to dangle easy sex in order to get it" demographic. Because unless you're planning on having a future then it really should not matter." Interesting POV, I'm not enamoured on the over 30 analogy but what you say makes some sense... | |||
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"I think guys have to do better on here. The fact that people actually think they have a right to question the private relationship status of a stranger is exactly why idiots always end up complaining about "What a hard time single guys have on here". I don't think there is any criteria on the bio settings which requires one to state their relationship status. Stranger still is the fact that people actually care on what's meant to be a casual sex site. I have said it before and I have said it again...the vast majority of single women I come across on here seem to fall more in the "past it and over 30 and struggling to get any male attention and need to dangle easy sex in order to get it" demographic. Because unless you're planning on having a future then it really should not matter. Interesting POV, I'm not enamoured on the over 30 analogy but what you say makes some sense... "It's harsh but I am just not left with any other real observation. Almost every single level headed woman on here either had a guy I was not made aware of or was actually masquerading as single when part of a couple anyway. Didn't kill me. But that's because I don't treat fab as a dating site. People get carried away by the lopsided ratio and the fact that it's often more attention than they're ever used to receiving and become tyrants because of it. | |||
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"I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club. You cannot provide evidence cos none exists. As for your ego - fuck me I've not come across one that is as over-inflated as yours before. You know what, I've just read the whole thread and all I can say is 'Wow that James guy must be fucking amazing' "This what am talking about, what is the difference between how I play my swinging game and how the Hotwives play it, absolutely no difference , so why do some ladies have a problem with a confident guy who is straight to the point and upfront but they have no problem with the ladies banging as many cocks as they please? A lot of psychological damage has been done to the guys, they don't act like guys anymore, they act like pussy, because the ladies who brought them up didn't want these guys to treat ladies like the men in their lives treated them. This resulted in these guys not valuing themselves and putting all the value on the women. Fair game, so now you find guys crying because a lady left them.They don't even want to be in the single guys category because of this, what is more important to have, a pussy by your side or the ability to catch new pussy? You know my choice already | |||
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"I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club. You cannot provide evidence cos none exists. As for your ego - fuck me I've not come across one that is as over-inflated as yours before. You know what, I've just read the whole thread and all I can say is 'Wow that James guy must be fucking amazing'
This what am talking about, what is the difference between how I play my swinging game and how the Hotwives play it, absolutely no difference , so why do some ladies have a problem with a confident guy who is straight to the point and upfront but they have no problem with the ladies banging as many cocks as they please?
A lot of psychological damage has been done to the guys, they don't act like guys anymore, they act like pussy, because the ladies who brought them up didn't want these guys to treat ladies like the men in their lives treated them. This resulted in these guys not valuing themselves and putting all the value on the women. Fair game, so now you find guys crying because a lady left them.They don't even want to be in the single guys category because of this, what is more important to have, a pussy by your side or the ability to catch new pussy? You know my choice already" | |||
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"I think guys have to do better on here. The fact that people actually think they have a right to question the private relationship status of a stranger is exactly why idiots always end up complaining about "What a hard time single guys have on here". I don't think there is any criteria on the bio settings which requires one to state their relationship status. Stranger still is the fact that people actually care on what's meant to be a casual sex site. I have said it before and I have said it again...the vast majority of single women I come across on here seem to fall more in the "past it and over 30 and struggling to get any male attention and need to dangle easy sex in order to get it" demographic. Because unless you're planning on having a future then it really should not matter. Interesting POV, I'm not enamoured on the over 30 analogy but what you say makes some sense...
It's harsh but I am just not left with any other real observation. Almost every single level headed woman on here either had a guy I was not made aware of or was actually masquerading as single when part of a couple anyway. Didn't kill me. But that's because I don't treat fab as a dating site.
People get carried away by the lopsided ratio and the fact that it's often more attention than they're ever used to receiving and become tyrants because of it."for me it matters, but i overthink and too deeply. i've played head games with people, don't wanna play them with myself. i'm gonna generalise now based on my own experiences of guys on here. for genuinely single women (this is my own feelings on this), it's more they don't have any emotional support from someone else. so you have some not so great sex and he rushes off back to his partner and isn't that arsed coz he cum, YOU wasn't even expecting him to rush off coz you thought he was single and you was gonna have a great session...well you can laugh about it with your mates but who's gonna give you some actual great sex after that? not your partner coz you haven't got one. ...and that's the point in NSA sex, it should be good, it should be fun, it should be satisfying. married cheating men can give you that, but it's more likely they're after something quick where their mrs won't even notice they've gone anywhere. why do you think women want to be respected before they even meet? coz they know a disrespectful guy is only in it for himself and unlikely to give you what you want. fucking bullshit that most women are here for attention, i grant you some might be and i suspect many use it as a way to generate money off the site as well. but be a woman online and you'll get attention no problem, and you'll get it away from the internet too. half the sites i use i hide my identity and don't mind being called a dude, if anyone ever finds out you aren't a dude you watch them treat you differently just coz you're female (can be in bad ways as well as 'sucky up' ways). i would like to date someone, off here? unlikely, i get what swinging is and it doesn't appeal to me, someone with a high sex drive devoted to me, yes i would date them, a swinger, no. especially not if he's already married. i wanted good sex, had to fuck over 200 guys to even find a handful who give me that. most were fuck and go back to their mrs, hardly any of them made me cum. so no, married cheaters are not my thing for that reason. | |||
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"so no, married cheaters are not my thing for that reason." That's all very good to know but what does that have to do with any of the guys on here? If a guy has consent from his partner he doesn't need to acknowledge he has a partner from his partner's point of view... she's consented to him playing "as if" he's single... so she doesn't need any involvement in that does she. What you're asking for is for these guys to respect your opinions on this issue. Is the issue sex related? No. Does it have any bearing on a one night stand? No. Does it have any bearing at all on physical nsa sex? No. You might as well be asking that every guy you meet on here listens to radio 1. And why should they abide by your wishes on this? You aren't their partner. You're a stranger. Do you want to get under their skin and get to know them? Do you want to date them and maybe form a relationship with them? No. If you did you wouldn't be on this site. So really you're just someone who wants to fuck them for their bodies but who has some need for them to be super honest and transparent and respectful about an issue that isn't even an issue as their partner, the only person who really means anything to them in this equation, has bowed out and said "go fill your boots" Don't get me wrong... we're not playing separately. In fact we're not really playing at all at the moment. I'm just telling it as it is. You really don't have any rights over a stranger... especially if you intend to make sure they stay a stranger | |||
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"so no, married cheaters are not my thing for that reason. That's all very good to know but what does that have to do with any of the guys on here? If a guy has consent from his partner he doesn't need to acknowledge he has a partner from his partner's point of view... she's consented to him playing "as if" he's single... so she doesn't need any involvement in that does she. What you're asking for is for these guys to respect your opinions on this issue. Is the issue sex related? No. Does it have any bearing on a one night stand? No. Does it have any bearing at all on physical nsa sex? No. You might as well be asking that every guy you meet on here listens to radio 1. And why should they abide by your wishes on this? You aren't their partner. You're a stranger. Do you want to get under their skin and get to know them? Do you want to date them and maybe form a relationship with them? No. If you did you wouldn't be on this site. So really you're just someone who wants to fuck them for their bodies but who has some need for them to be super honest and transparent and respectful about an issue that isn't even an issue as their partner, the only person who really means anything to them in this equation, has bowed out and said "go fill your boots" Don't get me wrong... we're not playing separately. In fact we're not really playing at all at the moment. I'm just telling it as it is. You really don't have any rights over a stranger... especially if you intend to make sure they stay a stranger " the topic is about guys who are on here without their partners knowledge, cheaters. and if you look at what i was replying to then i was replying to that. if anything is irrelevant to this topic it's guys with permission. and to add to that since i stopped fucking married guys, coz i bother to take the time to get to know them, i actually cum during sex, i actually get good sex. who'd have thought it. NSA so does not work for me at all and my profile reflects that. i hardly have any sex now but that's not the point, the sex i do have is amazing, no married cheat is gonna be able to give me the time for that, i really think so. | |||
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"Too many double standards but I blame the guys for it, I only play as a single guy and I have a girlfriend, we go to the clubs together but when I get there we split and I play as a single guy because that is how I like it. Nothing to hide with me, you guys better tell the ladies what time it is with you, tell them to their face you have other ladies and you choose yourself, because ladies will always want you to choose them over any other lady, tell them to their face and give them the option to leave you if they want to leave, watch and see what choice they make. You don't mention you're in a relationship on your profile. Why not? Its clearly not relevant. Him and the mrs do there own thing and openly. They never play together. Thats how i read it. It's relevant to him mentioning not hiding anything. In my mind, the statement of being in a relationship (she knows/doesn't know) allows the reader to make an informed decision prior to contact or response to contact. He's not hiding anything though. And, quite frankly, it's none of your business. " You're right it's none of my business and the reason for that is there's no compatibility between us. My point is relevant though. | |||
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"I think guys have to do better on here. The fact that people actually think they have a right to question the private relationship status of a stranger is exactly why idiots always end up complaining about "What a hard time single guys have on here". I don't think there is any criteria on the bio settings which requires one to state their relationship status. Stranger still is the fact that people actually care on what's meant to be a casual sex site. I have said it before and I have said it again...the vast majority of single women I come across on here seem to fall more in the "past it and over 30 and struggling to get any male attention and need to dangle easy sex in order to get it" demographic. Because unless you're planning on having a future then it really should not matter." There is no requirement but that doesn't stop people having the right to ask a relationship status. They simply don't have a right of response. Personally I'd move onwards and upwards if someone didn't tell me. Maybe if I struggled for male attention and was past it I'd adapt my preferences . | |||
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""And why should they abide by your wishes on this?" can't believe you asked that. you think i'm a cum dump for all the shit guys on here coz i am most certainly not. your wife might be but not me." The entitlement and lack of respect in this thread is extremely high. It really is simple: If someone cannot abide by my wishes, i move on. If i cannot abide by theirs, they move on. | |||
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"Personally in my opinion , after reading all the comments it seems like the ladies who have the issue with the guys who are attached are looking for a relationship , obviously they did not do well in a vanilla relationship and are looking for a relationship here, that's all it is. I don't see anything wrong with that but I will rather they come straight to the point about it, instead of beating about the bush. They are really not in the lifestyle for fun cause they really want a guy from what I see " Lots of women on here looking for realtionships they think its a dating site not a swingers site yet some dont yet understand that most men just want the sex without complications or to swing | |||
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"Personally in my opinion , after reading all the comments it seems like the ladies who have the issue with the guys who are attached are looking for a relationship , obviously they did not do well in a vanilla relationship and are looking for a relationship here, that's all it is. I don't see anything wrong with that but I will rather they come straight to the point about it, instead of beating about the bush. They are really not in the lifestyle for fun cause they really want a guy from what I see Lots of women on here looking for realtionships they think its a dating site not a swingers site yet some dont yet understand that most men just want the sex without complications or to swing " | |||
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"Personally in my opinion , after reading all the comments it seems like the ladies who have the issue with the guys who are attached are looking for a relationship , obviously they did not do well in a vanilla relationship and are looking for a relationship here, that's all it is. I don't see anything wrong with that but I will rather they come straight to the point about it, instead of beating about the bush. They are really not in the lifestyle for fun cause they really want a guy from what I see Lots of women on here looking for realtionships they think its a dating site not a swingers site yet some dont yet understand that most men just want the sex without complications or to swing " Or there some women on here looking for relationships but would run a mile from a single male on here because he enjoys swinging too | |||
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""And why should they abide by your wishes on this?" can't believe you asked that. you think i'm a cum dump for all the shit guys on here coz i am most certainly not. your wife might be but not me. The entitlement and lack of respect in this thread is extremely high. It really is simple: If someone cannot abide by my wishes, i move on. If i cannot abide by theirs, they move on." that comment was weird, acting like all i should do is have sex with someone and not know anything about them. my wishes are not to be a cum dump, from now on guys have to convince me i'm gonna get something good from them or i'm not interested. and they won't convince me with dirty chat they will convince me they are not like most of the married cheating guys i have met from here. | |||
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"Personally in my opinion , after reading all the comments it seems like the ladies who have the issue with the guys who are attached are looking for a relationship , obviously they did not do well in a vanilla relationship and are looking for a relationship here, that's all it is. I don't see anything wrong with that but I will rather they come straight to the point about it, instead of beating about the bush. They are really not in the lifestyle for fun cause they really want a guy from what I see Lots of women on here looking for realtionships they think its a dating site not a swingers site yet some dont yet understand that most men just want the sex without complications or to swing " I agree with you on that, most of the ladies are really looking for companionship and a relationship, there is nothing wrong with that but they should be upfront about it, they should also bear in mind that this is the alternative lifestyle so all those rhetoric about cheating does not apply here. You can have an amazing relationship in our alternative lifestyle but it is not vanilla based and it would involve multiple people but it can be really amazing if you are open about what you want. | |||
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"Personally in my opinion , after reading all the comments it seems like the ladies who have the issue with the guys who are attached are looking for a relationship , obviously they did not do well in a vanilla relationship and are looking for a relationship here, that's all it is. I don't see anything wrong with that but I will rather they come straight to the point about it, instead of beating about the bush. They are really not in the lifestyle for fun cause they really want a guy from what I see Lots of women on here looking for realtionships they think its a dating site not a swingers site yet some dont yet understand that most men just want the sex without complications or to swing I agree with you on that, most of the ladies are really looking for companionship and a relationship, there is nothing wrong with that but they should be upfront about it, they should also bear in mind that this is the alternative lifestyle so all those rhetoric about cheating does not apply here. You can have an amazing relationship in our alternative lifestyle but it is not vanilla based and it would involve multiple people but it can be really amazing if you are open about what you want." I wish you'd stop coming across as the font of all knowledge re swinging! If you were an avid forum reader you'd discover even some swingers cheat. You'd also discover many swingers do not want to swing with cheaters. You'll also discover from threads there are many members, not just women, who'd like to find a partner. Some to swing with, others to be monogamous. | |||
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"My goodness...... I hope I never ever come across the single male who commented in this thread that he moves on in 3minutes when chatting at a swingers club to get into a pussy!!!!! I prefer to think he was joking but am not sure? Back to the topic of the OP - I prefer honesty about people's relationship status - if I play with single male who are attached I prefer to know the truth right from the start not find it out later - after all I tell them openly about my circumstances and what brought me and my husband into this exciting world of swinging. "With honesty everyone can make an informed decision. I really cannot see where the problem lies, other than to deceive. | |||
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"and to add to that since i stopped fucking married guys, coz i bother to take the time to get to know them, i actually cum during sex, i actually get good sex. who'd have thought it. NSA so does not work for me at all and my profile reflects that. i hardly have any sex now but that's not the point, the sex i do have is amazing, no married cheat is gonna be able to give me the time for that, i really think so." Exactly how we feel. Hence our blank profile and our slow retreat from Fab entirely. Why not just quit Fab? This is a place to fuck strangers... not get to know anyone. We're leaving soon for this reason and would advise others to do the same. | |||
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""And why should they abide by your wishes on this?" can't believe you asked that. you think i'm a cum dump for all the shit guys on here coz i am most certainly not. your wife might be but not me." If you're on Fab it's because you want to fuck men's bodies rather than make the effort of getting to know them and date them. If Fab wasn't like this people's profiles would be full of their interests and hobbies... not whether they meet your physical requirements for a body. Since the whole site is predicated upon the initial disrespect of "I don't want to know anything about you. I just want to fuck you" any of your requirements for your meets that don't relate to that sexual exchange are nice but unnecessary. If you were dating and were willing to respect the men you met by saying "you know what... I'm looking for a person who I want to get sexy with, not some male model bimbo who can just turn up when I click my fingers" then yes, of course, your being respectful so your wishes are very important. I'd ask you to refrain from personal insults please | |||
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"Personally in my opinion , after reading all the comments it seems like the ladies who have the issue with the guys who are attached are looking for a relationship , obviously they did not do well in a vanilla relationship and are looking for a relationship here, that's all it is. I don't see anything wrong with that but I will rather they come straight to the point about it, instead of beating about the bush. They are really not in the lifestyle for fun cause they really want a guy from what I see Lots of women on here looking for realtionships they think its a dating site not a swingers site yet some dont yet understand that most men just want the sex without complications or to swing I agree with you on that, most of the ladies are really looking for companionship and a relationship, there is nothing wrong with that but they should be upfront about it, they should also bear in mind that this is the alternative lifestyle so all those rhetoric about cheating does not apply here. You can have an amazing relationship in our alternative lifestyle but it is not vanilla based and it would involve multiple people but it can be really amazing if you are open about what you want." I am not looking for a relationship as I already have a strong relationship with my husband; why on earth would I want to 'downgrade' by meeting a guy from here We normally don't meet with single men as we have found that the vast majority lie about their sexuality and marital status. And I don't particularly like liars - Mrs. J - | |||
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""And why should they abide by your wishes on this?" can't believe you asked that. you think i'm a cum dump for all the shit guys on here coz i am most certainly not. your wife might be but not me. If you're on Fab it's because you want to fuck men's bodies rather than make the effort of getting to know them and date them." Stop right there! Members can use this site as they wish, albeit within the rules. Also, the poster didn't insult, she used the word "might". | |||
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"I like the way you think 3sum queen but why not try my approach and go straight to the point with the guys and tell them what you are about and what you want. If you really want to come during sex and have multiple orgasms, why not try a BBC party , I assure you, you will come and come and come with the guys, coming has nothing to do with the guys being attached or single, it has to do with their ability to fuck well , energy, size of cock, skills and knowledge Now don't use the word permission, I am not asking permission from my girlfriend to be with my other lovers, infact that was the first thing I cleared with her when I met her, this is me and this is how I operate, take it or leave it." James, your ego is quite terrifying, my love Really | |||
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"I find these topics amusing, purely as it's the double standards of Fabs showing themselves again. Single guys or single girls I would always be dubious of, more so if they're are not consistent with being on here, my fwb sees this a lot also. So a guy can't accommodate, but is usually branded as playing away. A woman with the same circumstances is never questioned. What's more annoying is the amount of "single" girl profiles that, right in the small print, sat their partner will always be about/no solo meets. So why advertise as a single female if your not one? Happy Friday peeps
You're right and wrong.
You're right about double standards. Fab forums are far more forgiving of women playing away while men doing the same get crucified. I personally have no issues with married men and since I say that on my profile, a fair number of "single" men write to say Hi and then confess they're attached but have to hide it or else risk getting an earful. Again, doesn't bother me and while I don't understand why others morally judge attached men, they are entitled to their preferences.
Regarding girls not accommodating as "annoying" - please! As bicplnorthlondon says, it's a SAFETY issue. I'm one of the few that DOES accommodate but I take a VERY long time before deciding to meet (sometimes for ever) just to vet them out. Some blokes get pissed and tell me off even accuse me of not being genuine. I get a bad vibe I tell them no to meeting. If I invite a fella to my place for an instant meet and he turns out to be anything from not hygienic to a bit psycho, and I then tell him NO guess what? I risk being ra ped and NO court or law enforcement will take my word for it (regarding being ra ped) because hey - I invited this fella off a swinging site for sex so that ra pe was really consensual.
x"Good girl, head screwed on. Best to take as long and be ever cautious especially on a sex site as that shit can go down hill real quick. Moral is be safe and have fun | |||
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"and to add to that since i stopped fucking married guys, coz i bother to take the time to get to know them, i actually cum during sex, i actually get good sex. who'd have thought it. NSA so does not work for me at all and my profile reflects that. i hardly have any sex now but that's not the point, the sex i do have is amazing, no married cheat is gonna be able to give me the time for that, i really think so. Exactly how we feel. Hence our blank profile and our slow retreat from Fab entirely. Why not just quit Fab? This is a place to fuck strangers... not get to know anyone. We're leaving soon for this reason and would advise others to do the same. " dunno, i have friends i chat to on here who don't wanna give out their number and i'm fine staying on here for that reason. and then i'm chatting to guys in the hope of trusting one of them, they bullshit me so i fuck them, then go full on ghost and again i do not trust men. this has 6 monthly cycle, so i'm getting laid once every 6 months, and talking to friends in between that. i have accepted i won't find trust on here, not from people who want to fuck me. but still i fall for shit every time, it's just who i am. | |||
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""And why should they abide by your wishes on this?" can't believe you asked that. you think i'm a cum dump for all the shit guys on here coz i am most certainly not. your wife might be but not me. If you're on Fab it's because you want to fuck men's bodies rather than make the effort of getting to know them and date them. Stop right there! Members can use this site as they wish, albeit within the rules. Also, the poster didn't insult, she used the word "might"." thanks, and i don't even think if someone is playing that way there is anything wrong with that either, so long as they're enjoying themselves no harm done at all. i just wanted to be clear i don't play that way even if others possibly do. | |||
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"I am the attraction here, I am the star here, if any one of the ladies on the team don't like it I would cut them off the team, period, of course they are free to go, they can go to the next guy I don't care, you see with the everyday day guys you meet , they are pleading for your attention , with me its different, 3 minutes is all the ladies have to talk to me in the club, if we don't close the deal in 3 minutes am gone to the next lady, no hard feelings, there are so many guys in the club. You cannot provide evidence cos none exists. As for your ego - fuck me I've not come across one that is as over-inflated as yours before. You know what, I've just read the whole thread and all I can say is 'Wow that James guy must be fucking amazing'
This what am talking about, what is the difference between how I play my swinging game and how the Hotwives play it, absolutely no difference , so why do some ladies have a problem with a confident guy who is straight to the point and upfront but they have no problem with the ladies banging as many cocks as they please?
"Everyone can play it how they choose of course. I personally like to get to know someone before I have sex with them, as in fwbs. It takes a bit more than you aforementioned 3 mins to!! I'm certainly not looking to 'bang as many cocks as I please'. Even though I prefer the fwb's situation I can assure you I'm not looking for a relationship. Get that...you're wrong in your assumptions   | |||
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