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"Re something raised by another post.. You meet a guy at a club. He says he and his partner want to fulfill a particular fantasy. He says she is tied up in their hotel room and the deal is he finds a guy to fuck her anonymously and he invites you to be that guy. You're curious so go back to the hotel room with him. Sure enough tied to the bed is a hot woman naked, gagged and blind folded. He invites you to fuck her. Do you? " Hell to the nope. It sounds too much like entrapment and who's to know if it's actually all a lie (the tied woman is not the guy's partner, they're not swingers, and you just got invited to **** a woman). | |||
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"Re something raised by another post.. You meet a guy at a club. He says he and his partner want to fulfill a particular fantasy. He says she is tied up in their hotel room and the deal is he finds a guy to fuck her anonymously and he invites you to be that guy. You're curious so go back to the hotel room with him. Sure enough tied to the bed is a hot woman naked, gagged and blind folded. He invites you to fuck her. Do you? " not without verbal consent from her, no | |||
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"Re something raised by another post.. You meet a guy at a club. He says he and his partner want to fulfill a particular fantasy. He says she is tied up in their hotel room and the deal is he finds a guy to fuck her anonymously and he invites you to be that guy. You're curious so go back to the hotel room with him. Sure enough tied to the bed is a hot woman naked, gagged and blind folded. He invites you to fuck her. Do you? " By accompanying the bloke to his hotel room, you're already in pretty deep. Speaking personally, I'd be extremely wary that the woman was actually consenting - I'd get him to temporarily remove the gag and ask her to confirm the arrangement. Any shadow of doubt that she wasn't fully aware of the situation and consenting, and I'd be out of there - pronto! | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? " It's an issue of consent. | |||
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"Re something raised by another post.. You meet a guy at a club. He says he and his partner want to fulfill a particular fantasy. He says she is tied up in their hotel room and the deal is he finds a guy to fuck her anonymously and he invites you to be that guy. You're curious so go back to the hotel room with him. Sure enough tied to the bed is a hot woman naked, gagged and blind folded. He invites you to fuck her. Do you? By accompanying the bloke to his hotel room, you're already in pretty deep. Speaking personally, I'd be extremely wary that the woman was actually consenting - I'd get him to temporarily remove the gag and ask her to confirm the arrangement. Any shadow of doubt that she wasn't fully aware of the situation and consenting, and I'd be out of there - pronto!" I don't think going to the hotel room is a problem but I agree you would want some consent from her. I raised the issue because another guy posted something about how he was arranging for his blindfolded tied partner to be anonymously fucked by a guy and everyone though it was really hot. It just seemed to me any guy agreeing to it would be taking a huge risk. | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. " As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. " Or he didn't tell her he was getting a guy but believed she would be up for it when he brought someone back. Loads of men are hopelessly optimistic about what they can persuade their partners to do. There's actually a very famous case called Morgan where a guy met two soldiers in a pub and invited them back to fuck his wife. He said she would protest but it was all part of their game. They went and fucked her and she protested. They went down for r@pe. | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. Or he didn't tell her he was getting a guy but believed she would be up for it when he brought someone back. Loads of men are hopelessly optimistic about what they can persuade their partners to do. There's actually a very famous case called Morgan where a guy met two soldiers in a pub and invited them back to fuck his wife. He said she would protest but it was all part of their game. They went and fucked her and she protested. They went down for r@pe. " Ok all good points but i think the degree of elevated risk is being drastically overestimated on this thread. Plenty of men get accussed of that crime during fairly mundane, vanilla interactions involving alcohol so i think people are falling victim to the availability heuristic. | |||
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"Re something raised by another post.. You meet a guy at a club. He says he and his partner want to fulfill a particular fantasy. He says she is tied up in their hotel room and the deal is he finds a guy to fuck her anonymously and he invites you to be that guy. You're curious so go back to the hotel room with him. Sure enough tied to the bed is a hot woman naked, gagged and blind folded. He invites you to fuck her. Do you? " If she's gagged, how do you know it's even her wife? I hope not too many men would say yes to that. You only have the man's word that it is consentual.... Creepy  | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. Or he didn't tell her he was getting a guy but believed she would be up for it when he brought someone back. Loads of men are hopelessly optimistic about what they can persuade their partners to do. There's actually a very famous case called Morgan where a guy met two soldiers in a pub and invited them back to fuck his wife. He said she would protest but it was all part of their game. They went and fucked her and she protested. They went down for r@pe. Ok all good points but i think the degree of elevated risk is being drastically overestimated on this thread. Plenty of men get accussed of that crime during fairly mundane, vanilla interactions involving alcohol so i think people are falling victim to the availability heuristic. " The basic problem with my posited situation is that the woman is on no position to give verbal or non verbal consent. You are right that it is unlikely a complaint of r@pe would be made, but if it was it would be pretty likely you would be convicted. Hence there's an unlikely but possible event that could have catastrophic consequences versus taking a simple step to virtually destroy that risk. "wow she's hot but could she just confirm she's up for it" | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. Or he didn't tell her he was getting a guy but believed she would be up for it when he brought someone back. Loads of men are hopelessly optimistic about what they can persuade their partners to do. There's actually a very famous case called Morgan where a guy met two soldiers in a pub and invited them back to fuck his wife. He said she would protest but it was all part of their game. They went and fucked her and she protested. They went down for r@pe. Ok all good points but i think the degree of elevated risk is being drastically overestimated on this thread. Plenty of men get accussed of that crime during fairly mundane, vanilla interactions involving alcohol so i think people are falling victim to the availability heuristic. The basic problem with my posited situation is that the woman is on no position to give verbal or non verbal consent. You are right that it is unlikely a complaint of r@pe would be made, but if it was it would be pretty likely you would be convicted. Hence there's an unlikely but possible event that could have catastrophic consequences versus taking a simple step to virtually destroy that risk. "wow she's hot but could she just confirm she's up for it" " I couldn't find the morgan case on google, is there an article name i can search for - presumably the husband was also convicted of something? I agree it would be a red flag if you asked the husband for her consent and he declined in some way. But we've done variations of this scenario anyway, my wife wasn't tied up, she was blindfolded. The guy was told not to talk because that would be a clue to his identity. Technically i could have told her to consent but it never came up. The scenario wouldn't even rank in my top 3 of 'stupid situations people get themselves' in, as discussed on the fab forums. | |||
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"Given the almost unanimous consensus is that this is a no no, would it make any difference if there was a couple advertising on here for exactly this with all arrangements to be made through the guy and you to turn up at his house at a set time. Assume the couple have a verified profile and you meet the guy for a social a few days before. " Almost unanimous! People know what the socially desirable answer is here and I'm sure there are many men that would happily go along with it but are too afraid to go against the crowd. Far more stupid decisions being made up and the down the country in my opinion. | |||
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"Given the almost unanimous consensus is that this is a no no, would it make any difference if there was a couple advertising on here for exactly this with all arrangements to be made through the guy and you to turn up at his house at a set time. Assume the couple have a verified profile and you meet the guy for a social a few days before. " There's a big discrepancy between your scenario and that of the other post though..... The wife was to blindfolded and tied. No mention of a gag being put over her mouth to stop her from speaking. | |||
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"Re something raised by another post.. You meet a guy at a club. He says he and his partner want to fulfill a particular fantasy. He says she is tied up in their hotel room and the deal is he finds a guy to fuck her anonymously and he invites you to be that guy. You're curious so go back to the hotel room with him. Sure enough tied to the bed is a hot woman naked, gagged and blind folded. He invites you to fuck her. Do you? " Where's the consent? | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. Or he didn't tell her he was getting a guy but believed she would be up for it when he brought someone back. Loads of men are hopelessly optimistic about what they can persuade their partners to do. There's actually a very famous case called Morgan where a guy met two soldiers in a pub and invited them back to fuck his wife. He said she would protest but it was all part of their game. They went and fucked her and she protested. They went down for r@pe. Ok all good points but i think the degree of elevated risk is being drastically overestimated on this thread. Plenty of men get accussed of that crime during fairly mundane, vanilla interactions involving alcohol so i think people are falling victim to the availability heuristic. The basic problem with my posited situation is that the woman is on no position to give verbal or non verbal consent. You are right that it is unlikely a complaint of r@pe would be made, but if it was it would be pretty likely you would be convicted. Hence there's an unlikely but possible event that could have catastrophic consequences versus taking a simple step to virtually destroy that risk. "wow she's hot but could she just confirm she's up for it" I couldn't find the morgan case on google, is there an article name i can search for - presumably the husband was also convicted of something? I agree it would be a red flag if you asked the husband for her consent and he declined in some way. But we've done variations of this scenario anyway, my wife wasn't tied up, she was blindfolded. The guy was told not to talk because that would be a clue to his identity. Technically i could have told her to consent but it never came up. The scenario wouldn't even rank in my top 3 of 'stupid situations people get themselves' in, as discussed on the fab forums. " DPP V Morgan 1976 AC 182. It was actually authority for the principle that honest but unreasonable belief in consent was a defence to r@pe. On the facts though the jury didn't believe the soldiers did think the woman was consenting. The position was changed by the Sexual Offences ACT 2003 so belief in consent now has to be honest and reasonable. The act also says that in judging reasonableness a jury must have regard to what steps were taken to ascertain consent. . Thus if there is a complaint all you can say is that "her bloke said it was OK, and no I didn't take any steps to see if she was consenting because that would have spoilt the fantasy" you would basically be admitting the crime. I appreciate what you say, but I think most men (as we see on this thread) would not take the risk. | |||
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"Maybe i didn't understand the question by would would a red blooded man ever not want to have sex with a hot woman? Are you implying she has venereal disease or something? It's an issue of consent. As the saying goes, no crime without motive. So what is being suggested here? - the guy wants her rped but doesn't want to do it himself? Not very likely considering he has already committed several crimes at this point and his identitiy is on the CCTV footage at the club. - it's a 'honey trap'. Again, pretty unlikley given you were already at a swinging club, far easier and less elaborate ways to get you if that's what they want. Or he didn't tell her he was getting a guy but believed she would be up for it when he brought someone back. Loads of men are hopelessly optimistic about what they can persuade their partners to do. There's actually a very famous case called Morgan where a guy met two soldiers in a pub and invited them back to fuck his wife. He said she would protest but it was all part of their game. They went and fucked her and she protested. They went down for r@pe. Ok all good points but i think the degree of elevated risk is being drastically overestimated on this thread. Plenty of men get accussed of that crime during fairly mundane, vanilla interactions involving alcohol so i think people are falling victim to the availability heuristic. The basic problem with my posited situation is that the woman is on no position to give verbal or non verbal consent. You are right that it is unlikely a complaint of r@pe would be made, but if it was it would be pretty likely you would be convicted. Hence there's an unlikely but possible event that could have catastrophic consequences versus taking a simple step to virtually destroy that risk. "wow she's hot but could she just confirm she's up for it" I couldn't find the morgan case on google, is there an article name i can search for - presumably the husband was also convicted of something? I agree it would be a red flag if you asked the husband for her consent and he declined in some way. But we've done variations of this scenario anyway, my wife wasn't tied up, she was blindfolded. The guy was told not to talk because that would be a clue to his identity. Technically i could have told her to consent but it never came up. The scenario wouldn't even rank in my top 3 of 'stupid situations people get themselves' in, as discussed on the fab forums. DPP V Morgan 1976 AC 182. It was actually authority for the principle that honest but unreasonable belief in consent was a defence to r@pe. On the facts though the jury didn't believe the soldiers did think the woman was consenting. The position was changed by the Sexual Offences ACT 2003 so belief in consent now has to be honest and reasonable. The act also says that in judging reasonableness a jury must have regard to what steps were taken to ascertain consent. . Thus if there is a complaint all you can say is that "her bloke said it was OK, and no I didn't take any steps to see if she was consenting because that would have spoilt the fantasy" you would basically be admitting the crime. I appreciate what you say, but I think most men (as we see on this thread) would not take the risk. " To be honest I'm just trying to put myself in the mindset of the type of guy that would enjoy that scenario. It doesn't appeal to me even with a signed consent form. I'm all about the candle lit dinner, rose scented bath and share life stories before getting jiggy with it. | |||
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"Given the almost unanimous consensus is that this is a no no, would it make any difference if there was a couple advertising on here for exactly this with all arrangements to be made through the guy and you to turn up at his house at a set time. Assume the couple have a verified profile and you meet the guy for a social a few days before. Almost unanimous! People know what the socially desirable answer is here and I'm sure there are many men that would happily go along with it but are too afraid to go against the crowd. Far more stupid decisions being made up and the down the country in my opinion. " What's the forum acceptable answer on whether or not to fuck her bareback? | |||
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"Given the almost unanimous consensus is that this is a no no, would it make any difference if there was a couple advertising on here for exactly this with all arrangements to be made through the guy and you to turn up at his house at a set time. Assume the couple have a verified profile and you meet the guy for a social a few days before. Almost unanimous! People know what the socially desirable answer is here and I'm sure there are many men that would happily go along with it but are too afraid to go against the crowd. Far more stupid decisions being made up and the down the country in my opinion. What's the forum acceptable answer on whether or not to fuck her bareback? " In for a penny, in for a pound | |||
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