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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. " Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... | |||
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"Just trying to gauge what sort of percentage of swingers prefer swinging at clubs or out of the club scene?" Clubs all the way, it's just the right environment and you can choose to play or not as most people are on the same page. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy......" As a couple we pay £33 so it's dearer than as a single guy. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... As a couple we pay £33 so it's dearer than as a single guy." If I went to the pictures, a bar, a restaurant. Guess what a male and female pay the same for entry, meals, drinks and if two of us went it would be cheaper than just one. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy......" When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. " then dont go to clubs but for us its the only way we meet.. and thankfully many greay guys and girls go to. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. " Do that instead then. Most people decide if they are happy to pay for an activity or not. If what somebody else has paid is an issue then dont go, everybody who does go will have great time regardless. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. then dont go to clubs but for us its the only way we meet.. and thankfully many greay guys and girls go to. " I don't go. I believe in equality. I pay males and females the same. If they do the job, they get paid and paid well. | |||
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"I have never been, but would like to go. I'm very intrigued by it" Go for it mate; you might like it, or you might not, but you won't know if you don't go | |||
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"Just trying to gauge what sort of percentage of swingers prefer swinging at clubs or out of the club scene?" clubs are good. No pressure. N you can pick n choose who or what to do. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. " its not about extra, how much do you pay to go to a vanilla club for a normal night out, most don't get change from a minimum £50, how much do you want to pay for a fun night out | |||
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"Just trying to gauge what sort of percentage of swingers prefer swinging at clubs or out of the club scene?" We enjoy going to a club as you don't have to play if you dont want and you also get to meet more people and enjoy socialising | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. " I spend no more going to a club on a saturday night.... than i would going out on the town on a saturday night...... | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. I spend no more going to a club on a saturday night.... than i would going out on the town on a saturday night...... " Good point, but it seems to be a difficult point for some to understand. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. " Common prices go like this: Single males £20 Couples £10 Single girls £0 This can make it seem like girls are too arrogant to pay for something they can get for free, and that men are desperate enough to cover the fees involved in keeping a club running for said girls It also appears that if you're a guy who bring an attraction to the night, you basically get a discount. Girls being free is shocking though, as it reinforces the idea that they can have everything they want for free. There's a reason you get girls on here who make little to no effort with conversation and simply float by on the fact that they have a fanny. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. Common prices go like this: Single males £20 Couples £10 Single girls £0 This can make it seem like girls are too arrogant to pay for something they can get for free, and that men are desperate enough to cover the fees involved in keeping a club running for said girls It also appears that if you're a guy who bring an attraction to the night, you basically get a discount. Girls being free is shocking though, as it reinforces the idea that they can have everything they want for free. There's a reason you get girls on here who make little to no effort with conversation and simply float by on the fact that they have a fanny. " | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. Common prices go like this: Single males £20 Couples £10 Single girls £0 This can make it seem like girls are too arrogant to pay for something they can get for free, and that men are desperate enough to cover the fees involved in keeping a club running for said girls It also appears that if you're a guy who bring an attraction to the night, you basically get a discount. Girls being free is shocking though, as it reinforces the idea that they can have everything they want for free. There's a reason you get girls on here who make little to no effort with conversation and simply float by on the fact that they have a fanny. " Single women in clubs don't make any effort? | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. its not about extra, how much do you pay to go to a vanilla club for a normal night out, most don't get change from a minimum £50, how much do you want to pay for a fun night out " Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. | |||
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"Clubs are great when the mix of people is balanced. However,there are certain play where others can be a distraction and take the focus away from what you are doing. So it's a yes and no..." Would you mind elaborating about the certain play? | |||
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" Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. " Simple case of supply and demand if there were more single gents than couples and single ladies then it would be a very male dominated atmosphere and that would be a little off putting to a lot of couples and ladies. Our opinion some may disagree. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. its not about extra, how much do you pay to go to a vanilla club for a normal night out, most don't get change from a minimum £50, how much do you want to pay for a fun night out Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. " Maybe you should make some sort of legal case against clubs over their prices. | |||
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" Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. Simple case of supply and demand if there were more single gents than couples and single ladies then it would be a very male dominated atmosphere and that would be a little off putting to a lot of couples and ladies. Our opinion some may disagree." Basically they don't want males.So if someone decided there are too many women drivers then lets put up the prices of cars, fuel, road tax and insurance for women. There we go sorted. | |||
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" Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. Simple case of supply and demand if there were more single gents than couples and single ladies then it would be a very male dominated atmosphere and that would be a little off putting to a lot of couples and ladies. Our opinion some may disagree. Basically they don't want males.So if someone decided there are too many women drivers then lets put up the prices of cars, fuel, road tax and insurance for women. There we go sorted. " If they didn't want single guys, they would simply have that as a rule. | |||
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"Just trying to gauge what sort of percentage of swingers prefer swinging at clubs or out of the club scene?" I would love to try, but I think it would make it easier going with a femaleas appose to going as a single man, I went to a Hot tub social in which there were 10 ish people and was a very relaxed affair so I think that is a great starter. | |||
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"The argument about the high cost for guys is always gonna rage on. Some guys won't accept the fact that something has to be done to balance the ratio of guys to girls attending but some couples and single girls also need to realise that if guys on here are complaining about the high cost, it's because they feel priced out of the scene. As a few folks said on the Kestrels thread, 40 quid for a day there with access to all the facilities they provide still isn't a bad deal but you've still gotta have the 40 quid to spend in the first place. I can afford it, so I go quite regularly, if I could only afford it on occasions I'd look forward to it as a treat, but if I was never able to scrap the money together, I'd probably feel excluded too. Some couples do have a pop every time this comes up at guys who say it's too expensive without ever stopping to think about what that person's financial situation might be." We don't want a sensible answer or an agreement. How can a neverending circular argument continue if your going to be sensible, rational and bring forward some kind of solution | |||
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"Clubs socials or partys best wsy to meet genuine people off fab xx if no likey no lights xx but still good night out" Totally agree, but it's extremely nervewracking, or it is for me, to go to one on your own for the first time. | |||
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"The argument about the high cost for guys is always gonna rage on. Some guys won't accept the fact that something has to be done to balance the ratio of guys to girls attending but some couples and single girls also need to realise that if guys on here are complaining about the high cost, it's because they feel priced out of the scene. As a few folks said on the Kestrels thread, 40 quid for a day there with access to all the facilities they provide still isn't a bad deal but you've still gotta have the 40 quid to spend in the first place. I can afford it, so I go quite regularly, if I could only afford it on occasions I'd look forward to it as a treat, but if I was never able to scrap the money together, I'd probably feel excluded too. Some couples do have a pop every time this comes up at guys who say it's too expensive without ever stopping to think about what that person's financial situation might be. We don't want a sensible answer or an agreement. How can a neverending circular argument continue if your going to be sensible, rational and bring forward some kind of solution " Where's your sensible answer? | |||
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" how much do you want to pay for a fun night out Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. " and you are also missing the point.... you are making a comparison that others don't make... the comparison i make is how much would i spend going to club on a saturday night as compared to how much i would spend doing something else on the same saturday night..... i don't do the politics of envy.... if you believe everyone should play the same price for everything, then never engaged the person next to you on a plane or on a train.... or ask someone else how much they paid for their hotel room..... | |||
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"The argument about the high cost for guys is always gonna rage on. Some guys won't accept the fact that something has to be done to balance the ratio of guys to girls attending but some couples and single girls also need to realise that if guys on here are complaining about the high cost, it's because they feel priced out of the scene. As a few folks said on the Kestrels thread, 40 quid for a day there with access to all the facilities they provide still isn't a bad deal but you've still gotta have the 40 quid to spend in the first place. I can afford it, so I go quite regularly, if I could only afford it on occasions I'd look forward to it as a treat, but if I was never able to scrap the money together, I'd probably feel excluded too. Some couples do have a pop every time this comes up at guys who say it's too expensive without ever stopping to think about what that person's financial situation might be. We don't want a sensible answer or an agreement. How can a neverending circular argument continue if your going to be sensible, rational and bring forward some kind of solution " Sorry, I think I just slipped into a parallel universe, did you just describe me as sensible and rational? I'd love to show that quote to the people at work but then there'd be a very awkward conversation about me going to swingers clubs. | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. Yes, don't pay £25 to have great night out, that would be crazy...... When I go gigging I have a great night out and I get paid. Those attending the gig or the bar at the venue all pay the same price. We believe in equality. All are equal. Common prices go like this: Single males £20 Couples £10 Single girls £0 This can make it seem like girls are too arrogant to pay for something they can get for free, and that men are desperate enough to cover the fees involved in keeping a club running for said girls It also appears that if you're a guy who bring an attraction to the night, you basically get a discount. Girls being free is shocking though, as it reinforces the idea that they can have everything they want for free. There's a reason you get girls on here who make little to no effort with conversation and simply float by on the fact that they have a fanny. " We disagree to us the fact that single girls are allowed in free shows that they are used as bait to attract men. It also reinforces the idea that men have a right to a fuck when they visit a club because they pay and single girls don’t. We do however understand the reasons why it is done, and the fact that such pricing does on the whole work. Until a better way of encouraging the correct balance of males and females in a club we cannot see a better pricing policy. | |||
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"This thread wasn't started for single guys to have a moan about pricing we were trying to find out why club numbers seem to have dropped off over a number of years, clubs still seem a popular choice with couples reading the threads so maybe the clubs need to get clever with how they encourage people to use them. Any ideas on the perfect venue?" We would suggest the answer to this is complex but is partly to do with the internet and mobile phones. Both the above make contact and arranging a meet far easier than it was when contact magazines were the main route. In addition the internet allows virtual meets where people video chat with others and gain stimulation that way. There is also an abundance of reasonably priced hotels with less formal entry procedures enabling group sex to take place. Finally there is the privacy issue, people can take pictures and videos during a private meet but cannot in a club due to privacy of the other club members. There is however a place for clubs both now and for years to come as clubs offer facilities not available at private meets. They are ideal for voyeurs, those who simply want to socialise, exhibitionists and those who like to meet random people. They are also perfect for the group we would call unmarried couples (fuck buddies, engaged couples etc.) who are looking for a place to be intimate with each other without having to book a hotel. | |||
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"This thread wasn't started for single guys to have a moan about pricing we were trying to find out why club numbers seem to have dropped off over a number of years, clubs still seem a popular choice with couples reading the threads so maybe the clubs need to get clever with how they encourage people to use them. Any ideas on the perfect venue? We would suggest the answer to this is complex but is partly to do with the internet and mobile phones. Both the above make contact and arranging a meet far easier than it was when contact magazines were the main route. In addition the internet allows virtual meets where people video chat with others and gain stimulation that way. There is also an abundance of reasonably priced hotels with less formal entry procedures enabling group sex to take place. Finally there is the privacy issue, people can take pictures and videos during a private meet but cannot in a club due to privacy of the other club members. There is however a place for clubs both now and for years to come as clubs offer facilities not available at private meets. They are ideal for voyeurs, those who simply want to socialise, exhibitionists and those who like to meet random people. They are also perfect for the group we would call unmarried couples (fuck buddies, engaged couples etc.) who are looking for a place to be intimate with each other without having to book a hotel. " A very well written sensible reply and also echoes our own personal views on declining numbers hence the reason clubs need to evolve with the times, how they achieve that is a different question. | |||
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"Common prices go like this: Single males £20 Couples £10 Single girls £0 This can make it seem like girls are too arrogant to pay for something they can get for free, and that men are desperate enough to cover the fees involved in keeping a club running for said girls We disagree to us the fact that single girls are allowed in free shows that they are used as bait to attract men. It also reinforces the idea that men have a right to a fuck when they visit a club because they pay and single girls don’t. " well said most men i have noticed in clubs follow us around with tongue hanging out its off putting and if there was more men to woman would have packs after us its not attractive and certainly not inviting especially when most have the attitude of i paid more im entitled to touch while they busy without being asked or stick my cock near their mouth when i have not been invited yes that's what single ladie in clubs put upbwith and ypu complain about a cheap night out | |||
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"Our preference is clubs. You know everyone there isn't a no-show as they're already there. We can see straight away if we find someone attractive for play. There's somewhere to play! If there's no one there we'll play with then we can still be social and end the night just the two of us in a play room - messy and noisy as we like. Both messy and not finding the private meet attractive being issues going to a private house which ends up a waste of a night. Or when you're on your way to theirs then they have some 'work emergency' and aren't there after all. There's the possibility of multiple playmates in a club" Well put | |||
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" Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. Simple case of supply and demand if there were more single gents than couples and single ladies then it would be a very male dominated atmosphere and that would be a little off putting to a lot of couples and ladies. Our opinion some may disagree." There are other ways to balance this though. Simply limiting the number of spaces for guys based on how many single girls and couples are expected. It's still not equality though, so people will still be up in arms about this. | |||
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"Now I feel better, yes the club is a wonderful place to meet people. The atmosphere is filled with people with filthy minds and if you play your cards right, you might get lucky. I however, prefer parties to clubs. Will explain later. " You may feel better, but it's still the same rant. | |||
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" There are other ways to balance this though. Simply limiting the number of spaces for guys based on how many single girls and couples are expected. It's still not equality though, so people will still be up in arms about this." That is far worse than charging extra, what happens if the guy has travelled 20 or 30 miles to the club only to be told there are too many guys in there. How would the club know how many people are going to turn up one afternoon or evening? Sometimes you go in and there are half a dozen in the club the next time on the same day there could be 50 in. In a similar manner one day the club could be full half an hour after the doors open the next it could be half empty until an hour or two before closing. Charging men extra may not be perfect but neither is limiting by quota. | |||
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"Now I feel better, yes the club is a wonderful place to meet people. The atmosphere is filled with people with filthy minds and if you play your cards right, you might get lucky. I however, prefer parties to clubs. Will explain later. " but you just because as hypocritical as those you decided to slate.... because you are not above anyone to say what comparisons people should or shouldn't make.... just because its not the comparison you would make it does not make it any less valid.... i may be lucky in the fact that the clubs i go to and what i am charged for going as a single man and what couples are charged are not that far apart.... but like i said i don't engage in the politics of envy! so if i am spending x amount on a saturday... it doesn't matter what i did to get to that amount... i spent x! | |||
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"Yep if someone wants to pay. Refuse to pay extra because I'm a male. " Fair point, but in most venues you get to bring your drinks along. So you get to go out, meet people who in general are more friendly than in a vanilla venue, and your chance of having some sexy fun is pretty good! Most nights out are actually more expensive overall. (And even some vanilla venues charge men more?!) | |||
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" Your missing the point. The cost is not an issue. It equality that's the issue. £50 / £100 / £1000 not an issue. Why men are not treated or charged the same as women for the same thing.Maybe supermarkets should has male and female pricings for their products. Simple case of supply and demand if there were more single gents than couples and single ladies then it would be a very male dominated atmosphere and that would be a little off putting to a lot of couples and ladies. Our opinion some may disagree. There are other ways to balance this though. Simply limiting the number of spaces for guys based on how many single girls and couples are expected. It's still not equality though, so people will still be up in arms about this." When we've had house parties, because we don't charge, we have to restrict numbers of guys in other ways. It's not possible to give women, men and couples all equal chances to come to our parties because then we'd be swamped with guys and nobody else would come. So I choose the guys I want to come. I've no doubt there are many guys who would much prefer to pay to guarantee them a place at a party, than hope to be selected. Arguably subsidising ladies is a much fairer system than selecting which guys can attend. But as I said yesterday, equal opportunities within the swing scene is unrealistic. Mrs | |||
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"I went to the barbers and paid £10 for my haircut and was happy paying that. Then I found out they do pensioners for a fiver. I've boycotted them now, and have chip on my shoulder and shaggy hair MrB" | |||
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"Lovely lovely thread. How can I pass by without chipping in a word. First of all I find it absolutely appalling that a great bunch of people seem to be ganging up against the one guy who had the balls to express something against going to a club. It's not as if he lied or was disrespectful or anything like that. It is a FACT that single guys pay MORE than any other kind of swingers to get into a swinging club. It is a FACT that couples ( 2 X human beings) pay LESS than a single guy. When human beings try to shout down speakers of the truth, I wonder where we are headed. If you enjoy the club scene, just state your case and sing the praises of clubs. If he does not like it, he can state why he does not. It is no one's place to ask him how much he spends on a night out on with mates or at the pictures etc. The 2 are not the same. You may be on pop star wages and therefore see £50 entry fee as " worth it". Others may see even £5 as a kick in the teeth because guess what; they might be on £35 a week. Better still, the whole inequality of the situation is what may not sit well with someone and nothing to do with what is actually charged at the door. " . Is it not funny that ZERO forumites could react to above post? | |||
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"Lovely lovely thread. How can I pass by without chipping in a word. First of all I find it absolutely appalling that a great bunch of people seem to be ganging up against the one guy who had the balls to express something against going to a club. It's not as if he lied or was disrespectful or anything like that. It is a FACT that single guys pay MORE than any other kind of swingers to get into a swinging club. It is a FACT that couples ( 2 X human beings) pay LESS than a single guy. When human beings try to shout down speakers of the truth, I wonder where we are headed. If you enjoy the club scene, just state your case and sing the praises of clubs. If he does not like it, he can state why he does not. It is no one's place to ask him how much he spends on a night out on with mates or at the pictures etc. The 2 are not the same. You may be on pop star wages and therefore see £50 entry fee as " worth it". Others may see even £5 as a kick in the teeth because guess what; they might be on £35 a week. Better still, the whole inequality of the situation is what may not sit well with someone and nothing to do with what is actually charged at the door. . Is it not funny that ZERO forumites could react to above post? " I put my reaction somewhere else. But essentially i don't feel equal opportunities between men and women is practical on the swing scene. As someone who has organised parties (free parties) it is impossible to treat men, women and couples identically and fairly when compiling a guest list. Price is one of the ways to control male numbers, but if not controlled with price, then other methods are resorted to which are arguably equally as unfair. There will be many men who will prefer to pay a little more as it guarantees their entry. Other men will not be prepared to pay more, either because they can't afford it, or because they get invited to free parties like ours, or that man wants to make a political stand against sexual inequality and discrimination. We all have free choice. Mrs | |||
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"Lovely lovely thread. How can I pass by without chipping in a word. First of all I find it absolutely appalling that a great bunch of people seem to be ganging up against the one guy who had the balls to express something against going to a club. It's not as if he lied or was disrespectful or anything like that. It is a FACT that single guys pay MORE than any other kind of swingers to get into a swinging club. It is a FACT that couples ( 2 X human beings) pay LESS than a single guy. When human beings try to shout down speakers of the truth, I wonder where we are headed. If you enjoy the club scene, just state your case and sing the praises of clubs. If he does not like it, he can state why he does not. It is no one's place to ask him how much he spends on a night out on with mates or at the pictures etc. The 2 are not the same. You may be on pop star wages and therefore see £50 entry fee as " worth it". Others may see even £5 as a kick in the teeth because guess what; they might be on £35 a week. Better still, the whole inequality of the situation is what may not sit well with someone and nothing to do with what is actually charged at the door. . Is it not funny that ZERO forumites could react to above post? " I think the bulk of the forumites are busy meeting each other elsewhere, rather than discussing the merits of visiting swingers' clubs | |||
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"Lovely lovely thread. How can I pass by without chipping in a word. First of all I find it absolutely appalling that a great bunch of people seem to be ganging up against the one guy who had the balls to express something against going to a club. It's not as if he lied or was disrespectful or anything like that. It is a FACT that single guys pay MORE than any other kind of swingers to get into a swinging club. It is a FACT that couples ( 2 X human beings) pay LESS than a single guy. When human beings try to shout down speakers of the truth, I wonder where we are headed. If you enjoy the club scene, just state your case and sing the praises of clubs. If he does not like it, he can state why he does not. It is no one's place to ask him how much he spends on a night out on with mates or at the pictures etc. The 2 are not the same. You may be on pop star wages and therefore see £50 entry fee as " worth it". Others may see even £5 as a kick in the teeth because guess what; they might be on £35 a week. Better still, the whole inequality of the situation is what may not sit well with someone and nothing to do with what is actually charged at the door. . Is it not funny that ZERO forumites could react to above post? " * I believe some people have responded in some way. * The thread was about people's preferences with clubs, not pricing. So it's been hijacked by those determined to spoil fun for others. * These arguments are going round in circles. And this topic is becoming one of those controversial ones, like cheaters/barebacking/bisexual men. Which means people are getting inflamed and most people will step away from it, and you know, concentrate on enjoying fab. * Yes, I've got mixed feelings about the unequal pricing structure. But I haven't seen any viable alternatives so far. Other than strawman argument and other logical fallacies. * As for equality and discrimination? Yeah, that's never going to work with the swinging scene, it's an ugly and uncomfortable truth, but that's the nature of people. Plus people referring to equality maybe need a better understanding of the Equality Act. | |||
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"Lovely lovely thread. How can I pass by without chipping in a word. First of all I find it absolutely appalling that a great bunch of people seem to be ganging up against the one guy who had the balls to express something against going to a club. It's not as if he lied or was disrespectful or anything like that. It is a FACT that single guys pay MORE than any other kind of swingers to get into a swinging club. It is a FACT that couples ( 2 X human beings) pay LESS than a single guy. When human beings try to shout down speakers of the truth, I wonder where we are headed. If you enjoy the club scene, just state your case and sing the praises of clubs. If he does not like it, he can state why he does not. It is no one's place to ask him how much he spends on a night out on with mates or at the pictures etc. The 2 are not the same. You may be on pop star wages and therefore see £50 entry fee as " worth it". Others may see even £5 as a kick in the teeth because guess what; they might be on £35 a week. Better still, the whole inequality of the situation is what may not sit well with someone and nothing to do with what is actually charged at the door. . Is it not funny that ZERO forumites could react to above post? * I believe some people have responded in some way. * The thread was about people's preferences with clubs, not pricing. So it's been hijacked by those determined to spoil fun for others. * These arguments are going round in circles. And this topic is becoming one of those controversial ones, like cheaters/barebacking/bisexual men. Which means people are getting inflamed and most people will step away from it, and you know, concentrate on enjoying fab. * Yes, I've got mixed feelings about the unequal pricing structure. But I haven't seen any viable alternatives so far. Other than strawman argument and other logical fallacies. * As for equality and discrimination? Yeah, that's never going to work with the swinging scene, it's an ugly and uncomfortable truth, but that's the nature of people. Plus people referring to equality maybe need a better understanding of the Equality Act." Well said | |||
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"Lovely lovely thread. How can I pass by without chipping in a word. First of all I find it absolutely appalling that a great bunch of people seem to be ganging up against the one guy who had the balls to express something against going to a club. It's not as if he lied or was disrespectful or anything like that. It is a FACT that single guys pay MORE than any other kind of swingers to get into a swinging club. It is a FACT that couples ( 2 X human beings) pay LESS than a single guy. When human beings try to shout down speakers of the truth, I wonder where we are headed. If you enjoy the club scene, just state your case and sing the praises of clubs. If he does not like it, he can state why he does not. It is no one's place to ask him how much he spends on a night out on with mates or at the pictures etc. The 2 are not the same. You may be on pop star wages and therefore see £50 entry fee as " worth it". Others may see even £5 as a kick in the teeth because guess what; they might be on £35 a week. Better still, the whole inequality of the situation is what may not sit well with someone and nothing to do with what is actually charged at the door. . Is it not funny that ZERO forumites could react to above post? " Some of us did.... I personally put it under your 2nd post in this thread.... | |||
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"Anyway, back on track track. We love clubs, we've had amazing times in them together, with other couples, single guys and single ladies. They are a hotbed of relaxed flirting and ultra horny fun and memories." We totally agree and love clubs for the same reasons too | |||
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"Now I feel better, yes the club is a wonderful place to meet people. The atmosphere is filled with people with filthy minds and if you play your cards right, you might get lucky. I however, prefer parties to clubs. Will explain later. but you just because as hypocritical as those you decided to slate.... because you are not above anyone to say what comparisons people should or shouldn't make.... just because its not the comparison you would make it does not make it any less valid.... i may be lucky in the fact that the clubs i go to and what i am charged for going as a single man and what couples are charged are not that far apart.... but like i said i don't engage in the politics of envy! so if i am spending x amount on a saturday... it doesn't matter what i did to get to that amount... i spent x! " First of all, " lucky" in my post has got nothing to do with finding a club that charges or does not charge a certain amount. If you read closely, you will find what I meant. I know you are capable of that. Secondly, politics of envy!? Who is envying who in this case? Nobody referred to what you did to earn whatever so looks like you created your own post in your mind and reacted to it. You called me a hypocrite???? Do you even comprehend the word? I won't react to that or else we will be here all day and night. Club or not was the question. 2 or 3 posts said yay because of X y and z. The next post said nay because of X reasons. There follows a host of posts shouting this post down. If you read, again closely, you will notice that all my post said was " live and let live". If mr X loves clubs, let him carry on. If mr y does not love clubs, let him be. Now what is HARD about that? If you also do not get that, well, too bad. | |||
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"Tried a club many moons ago but sadly not for us. Like the no hassel thing with no pressure which is why we have turned to dogging. Not far off being in a club but with a lot more freedom " Never tried dogging it's always seemed a bit seedy for us but never say never | |||
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"Just trying to gauge what sort of percentage of swingers prefer swinging at clubs or out of the club scene?" I prefer clubs, Mrs hotels. | |||
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"Never done a club, not sure I would either seems a bit daunting for me " I'm sure you would enjoy the right club. Relaxed no pressure atmosphere. | |||
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"I like clubs I think it's more relaxed and everyone knows why your there plus you can walk away if you don't fancy someone and the other way round as well without causing offence." Agree ..easier for us than on here. | |||
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" The theory being more relaxed atmosphere and easy to move from socialising to play On the other hand if there's no spark you're already in a club so can have a great night whether you meet another couple there or just enjoy the night out" That is exactly the reason we mainly stick to clubs how many times have you meet a couple claiming to be in their 40s and they are clearly 20 years older than their profile says and the pics they have sent, it's much easier to make your excuses and still have a good night in a sexy atmosphere if your in a club. | |||
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"Would love to go to a club but my fuckbuddy isn't keen. But she is happy for me to go alone. Do single men have any fun in clubs or do ladies and couples rule the roost??" Look down the Club reviews, paying attention to the single guys, and how they got on, most of the time they will have had a great time at a 'Greedy Girl' event, when single guys are actively encouraged. Apart from that, you will need to be a 'regular' at your preferred club, and have made several visits so that women and couples know you're not just looking for a quick 'unload' | |||
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"I prefer clubs to meet people but saying that we've usually chatted extensively to a couple and arranged to meet them there The theory being more relaxed atmosphere and easy to move from socialising to play On the other hand if there's no spark you're already in a club so can have a great night whether you meet another couple there or just enjoy the night out" Or probably move to the next victim. | |||
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