FabSwingers.com forum: Men getting treated like Cunts

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

just an observation here but why do most men on here get treated like cunts and shite? and why do they get fucked over at clubs for entry prices? surly this is discrimination. Just an observation from being on here on and off for yrs, not a moan on my part.

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By *ristol_MTB_cplCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Club pricing is supply and demand, pricing helps them balance numbers. You may not agree but that's the way it is. As for people's attitudes you reap what you sow...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Club pricing is supply and demand, pricing helps them balance numbers. You may not agree but that's the way it is. As for people's attitudes you reap what you sow... "

the club we've been to doesn't allow single males at all. Lots of pushy guys about and entitled is never a good look.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish I was treated like a cunt, at least I get fucked.

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By *anky_PankyWoman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

"just an observation here but why do most men on here get treated like cunts and shite? and why do they get fucked over at clubs for entry prices? surly this is discrimination. Just an observation from being on here on and off for yrs, not a moan on my part."

Nope, doesn't sound like you are moaning at all....!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women can get hundreds of messages a day. Some nice. Some not so nice. Even with a polite no thank you from the woman some men can still respond viciously and abusively. This can tar all the guys with the same brush.

I don't agree with it but for women to get bombarded every day it can take its toll

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish I was treated like a cunt, at least I get fucked.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having both a couples and singles profile here...I haven't been treated badly as a single guy..the worst I've had is messages deleted and no response...it's all down to the individual man...and some of the messages we get from guys on our couples profile ide say deserve harsh treatment or responses..although we just block and delete as its not worth the effort to respond. As to clubs they are private members clubs so can set charges as they want...yes it's harsh for single guys (but not ilegal or covered by discrimination laws) ..but if the costs where high for single females and couples then the result would be less of them attending...and then less chances for single guys. Result clubs that are empty or a waste if time going if your a single guy... as previously said clubs are a business and its supply and demand...

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

The guys we meet are treated as equals. We want them to enjoy themselves just as much as we do.

The guys that don't bother reading our profile and receive replies from me asking why they think we'd be interested in meeting straight men, are lucky to get a reply when they haven't been courteous enough to see what we actually want from a meet.

On the club prices I agree. I think singles should be charged one price regardless of gender.

But the guys we do meet are fantastic, certainly not cunts.

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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago

There and to the left a bit

Can honestly say in being here over a year not once have I been treated in the way you suggest OP and nor have lots of other single/solo male profiles that I chat to. So not sure 'most' is an accurate statement. In fact the only guys I've seen get a hard time on the forums at least, are those that come on with a sense of entitlement and an attitude.

The club prices thing is a regular topic here - so is probably worth a forum search for previous threads covering the whys and wherefores

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its simple leave here and dont go to clubs..

its only a shag(s)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would say you only feel your getting fucked over as your not getting the meets you want, if you had offers of meets everyday, this thread would not be...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe it's because they let themselves be treated that way?!

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Why are men treated the way they are?

in my opinion, most men on here have no idea about respect, cant read and believe they are entitled to what they want, when they want... on a good day my inbox gets filled with lazy messages and cock shots, completely ignore that dax is on here too and are generally just rude when told no, Or rude when given advice or rude when asked to provide certain details.

as for clubs, think about it for a second, if clubs offered single men a cheap price then the club would be packed with single men all thinking they are entitled to sex or grope or generally harass the ladies there, couples or singles which would mean the couples and ladies wouldnt go so the club would fail quite badly.

If you feel you are being hard done by you can delete and walk away or you could accept certain things and show your not the "typical" bloke that we get on here

Boo

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By *eeBexxWoman
over a year ago

Grangemouth

Ran an experiment a few weeks back. Had 10 messages all from single males. Replied to those 10 to say I wasn't interested. 7 of those 10 responded with abuse or a snidey remark.

So you can see how it's easy to tar with the same brush when so many are the same

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By *edzyWoman
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Interesting that you used the word cunt for being treated like shite

Women's empowerment clearly has a ways to go

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Too busy living the dream to care.

Sounds a tiny bit of a moan.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Awwww its not that bad surely? You get cheaper hair cuts at least!

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

Why at a vanilla night club are guys refused because they are wearing the 'wrong jacket' ?Never seen a girl get refused due to the 'wrong dress'

Why are women under represented in senior management positions in companies?

Ever see a new car salesman belittle a woman trying to buy a new big car ? I have.

Fab is just a sample of real life and the internet.

Being a free site the idiots spoil it for the good ones and being free there's a lots of idiots.

Emails from guys like

' I wanna fuck your Mrs brains out 'or ' you still shaggin' does not endear us to such guys.

Alternatively a polite email gets a polite reply.

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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

Disagree.

Been here six years and never feel like I've been treated like a ****.

Has there been the odd person who it's not been great connecting with - yeah sure, but that's inevitable on a swinging website. I've made mistakes too.

Most committed Fab members are pretty decent. Some are flipping ace

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We get on average 10 messages a day.Nearly all from single males outside the age range we are looking for.If they can't be bothered to read our profile then why should we be bothered to respond ?

As for clubs.The constant attention from predatory males who will not take no for an answer has stopped us going.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

Disagree.

Been here six years and never feel like I've been treated like a ****.

Has there been the odd person who it's not been great connecting with - yeah sure, but that's inevitable on a swinging website. I've made mistakes too.

Most committed Fab members are pretty decent. Some are flipping ace

You get out what you put in

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't treat the single men we are friends with as cunts. In fact we treat them very well. We never cancel meets, we respond to text messages in a timely manner, we'll cook a meal for for our playmates if they pay us a visit, we'll say thank you if they treat us.

With regards to clubs, single men paying more is a useful way of controlling the numbers. Another way of controlling numbers is to do 'first come first serve' either on the door or by selling tickets in advance. Having said that we once attended Eurekas as a trio with a single man. He paid £30 and my husband paid £30. I guess effectively I got in free, but the reality is that the single guy parted with the same amount of money as my husband.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago

Henley Arden

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special."

It's possible that they just treat people like crap in real life. Just like (cir) Phillip Green was happy to rob the pensions of the staff at BHS and treats others like crap.

Unfortunately some people are just not nice.We've had couples and singles be rude to us in a club.

However we have far far more be super nice.The nice out weight the good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In all fairness its a swinging site, I dare say the intial premise for the site was couples, I'm a single male so all I've got to bring to the party is myself and lets face it if I was to guess the numbers on the site I bet its 30% couples,10% women, 55% men and 5% TV/TG.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

just about sums up what I was thinking

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By *ussetdevilCouple
over a year ago

Swindon

Try using a dating site rather than a swinger site, surely the odds will be more in singles favour?

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By *eerobCouple
over a year ago

solihull

Have to say but just your language in this post would put us off straight away.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've not been treated badly on here and had some great times. I've also been ignored plenty of times but that's life, not everyone is going to want to engage with you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It makes me laugh when I see a man moaning for paying more things and how unfair his life is.

Let's just look at 'the pink tax'. Women pay more for products that are targeted and sold for women. These products come in pretty pink packages and are often double the price of the exact same product made for men.

Don't even get me started on those so called luxuries we treat ourselves to every month.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Most men?! I don't treat anyone like shit.

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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago

Grantham

"It makes me laugh when I see a man moaning for paying more things and how unfair his life is.

Don't even get me started on those so called luxuries we treat ourselves to every month.

Buy the normal versions then, it's not rocket science!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It makes me laugh when I see a man moaning for paying more things and how unfair his life is.

Don't even get me started on those so called luxuries we treat ourselves to every month.

Buy the normal versions then, it's not rocket science!"

Thanks I never thought of that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1) Reap what you sow

2) Be nice and others are nice

3) Grow a thicker skin

4) Forget clubs - going doesn't mean you'll get laid, you still have to make the effort, see point 1-3

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

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they do on here

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

OP, the closest clubs to you are Cupids and Quest.

On a Saturday night, both are £25 for single male entry.

Both are bring your own drinks. So the £25 is your total expense for the night. I'd say if you feel that means you are being treated badly, then it is time to take a step back, as you can't have fun with those kinds of feelings.

MrB

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish I was treated like a cunt, at least I get fucked.

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please?

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife

oops too many pleases!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please?"
not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Club pricing is supply and demand, pricing helps them balance numbers. You may not agree but that's the way it is. As for people's attitudes you reap what you sow...

the club we've been to doesn't allow single males at all. Lots of pushy guys about and entitled is never a good look."

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

EXACTLY!

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By *all and ChainWoman
over a year ago

Truro

male half here, we have both been on here as singles and as a couple so we've both seen both sides of it.

1/ you have to *let* people treat you like a cunt, clubs discriminatory pricing and treatment is a good enough excuse to not ever give them your money, then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for the clubs, only a cunt would pay that money...

2/ you have to *let* people treat you like a cunt, if couples and singles do so, you're choosing the wrong couples and singles.

3/ excuses such as "you have no idea how bad it is for women" are just that, excuses and bullshit, there are MORE THAN ENOUGH controls available to filter who can message you and so on, when I was first on here as a single male many years ago the first lesson I learned was to use those features.

4/ coming on here and saying you will meet anyone from 9 to 99 and you will allow anyone of any sex to message you just screams to the world that you are totally desperate, and the implication is you can only be desperate because you're unfuckable in the real world.

5/ fab is just one website, and the internet isn't real life, (nor are clubs IMHO) and so if you are relying exclusively on some internet methods to hook up and get laid because you aren't getting any luck in the real world, you issue is that you're not getting any luck in the real world and you somehow think the internet will make everything better.. it won't.

6/ I don't know anyone who I couldn't turn up at random at their doorstep and say mate, I've lost my wallet, can you lend me 50 quid for fuel, and the answer I'd get 100% of the time is hang on a mo I'll grab my wallet and walk down to the hole in the wall machine with you.... ****YET**** I have no facebook account and no facebook "friends"... if it was the other way round and 100% of the answers I got were "no way, bugger off" then having a facebook account with 365 friends still wouldn't get me gas money to get home... the real life *must* come first... if most of the people you know are happy to see you stop by at random, are happy to stop by yours at random, are happy to lend you a 20 when you need it (usually offering, not waiting to be asked) then you're the sort of person who will get laid easy enough in real life, so you'll get laid easy enough on fab, or even if you don't get laid easy enough on fab, so what, you get laid easy enough in real life.

PERSONALITY (and maybe a jackpot lottery win...lol) is what gets you sex, nothing else, not a six pack, not a monster cock, not an audi r8, not a claimed abaility to make women gush, nothing else.

Having a shitty personality and trying to get laid by tweaking your profile is no different to me trying to sell knock off copy unbranded telly's as top of the range samsung telly's, it's false advertising (yeah, there is enough of it on here) and false advertising always ends up with unhappy punters.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I think I know what the problem is and understand it, when it comes to guys, logical thinking applies and as long as something is logical you can do it with guys no problem, with women it's emotional thinking and emotions are always all over the place, so you as a guy have to try to direct the emotions of the lady as regards her interactions with you , in a nutshell you have to strike a friendship first with the ladies by being nice, smiling, looking sweet, being confident and closing the deal. Tell the ladies they are beautiful and you will like to have them face to face. Every conversation is in the eyes, that's why the ladies always look into your eyes when they are talking to you , she will read everything about you from there, confidence or desperation, confidence will make her want and trust you, desperation will make her treat you like shit, you can't avoid the face to face conversation, structure your conversation to be short ,5 mins at most, too much talk equals no value.

In terms of every other thing , its just demand and supply, if 70 women turn up at a club and only 3 guys come weekly,then the price will adjust and they will charge the ladies more.

Ladies are far smarter than men, if you are in a relationship with a lady and she is cheating on you , you can never know for as long as she wants to hide it, but if you are cheating, she will catch you in no time no matter how you hide it.

That is why it's better to tell the ladies who you are upfront

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

What are you on about? Fab hasn't been in existence for 21 years

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

What are you on about? Fab hasn't been in existence for 21 years

think he moved from South Africa 21 years ago like that's got anything to do with the price of fish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

What are you on about? Fab hasn't been in existence for 21 years

think he moved from South Africa 21 years ago like that's got anything to do with the price of fish

Yes I knew he had moved here from SouthAfrica. Like you I'm not sure how that relates to his personal experience of Fab

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

By 'being treated like a cunt' I assume the OP means being treated with disrespect. So the what is being debated is 'do single men get treated with disrespect'. The answer to that is probably yes. But let's turnthis around. 'Do women and couples get treated with disrespect?' Again yes. I think you will be hard pressed to find anybody who used Fab in a meaningful way has never been treated disrespectfully on Fab. Women get treated like free prostitutes, women get abuse for rejecting someone, men get messages deleted, men find it hard to get meets. (Though messages being deleted and not getting meets isn't really being disrespected.) And all demographics seem to suffer equally from no shows and short notice cancellations for no good reason, which is the height of disrespect IMO. Yes single men will have it harder when trying to get a meet, but that can't be helped - there are too many men to go round and that's just the way it is. But a man who can't get meets doesn't mean he's being treated like a cunt.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It makes me laugh when I see a man moaning for paying more things and how unfair his life is.

Don't even get me started on those so called luxuries we treat ourselves to every month.

I have something you can pop up your chuff once a month and I wouldn't even charge you for it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't agree with it but for women to get bombarded every day it can take its toll "
I knew couples and ladies must get loads of messages, but didn't realise it can be so full on, and such a volume. I can see why you have to limit your replies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ran an experiment a few weeks back. Had 10 messages all from single males. Replied to those 10 to say I wasn't interested. 7 of those 10 responded with abuse or a snidey remark.

So you can see how it's easy to tar with the same brush when so many are the same "
sorry that you've had such a bad experience

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

What are you on about? Fab hasn't been in existence for 21 years

think he moved from South Africa 21 years ago like that's got anything to do with the price of fish

Yes I knew he had moved here from SouthAfrica. Like you I'm not sure how that relates to his personal experience of Fab

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well i been call nasty names on here too so know you know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

What are you on about? Fab hasn't been in existence for 21 years

think he moved from South Africa 21 years ago like that's got anything to do with the price of fish

Yes I knew he had moved here from SouthAfrica. Like you I'm not sure how that relates to his personal experience of Fab

well i been call nasty names on here too so know you know"

That's not good. I hope you reported those who were abusive to you. Sadly there are abusive people across Fab, as many women will tell you. That's certainly not something that only men are subject to.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It sounds distinctly like a moan, and the language you're using is pretty unattractive.

Fab represents a real cross section and so as in the real world you will get some people who treat others badly and don't communicate well. It happens to women and couples too, no one is immune from having to deal with the odd bad egg.

And as far as club prices, if you don't like them don't go. Find somewhere different. It's simply supply and demand as PPs have said. Would you want to go to a club dominated by single men? There have been plenty of threads about the legality of it.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

"Club pricing is supply and demand, pricing helps them balance numbers. You may not agree but that's the way it is. As for people's attitudes you reap what you sow...

the club we've been to doesn't allow single males at all. Lots of pushy guys about and entitled is never a good look."

I go to lots of clubs and much prefer to go when single guys are admitted!

I find couple and single fem only evenings can be cliquey at times and not particularly welcoming - and I certainly don't find most guys 'entitled'! Xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

op i have being let down in the past but i just put it down to experience i have meet a couple of lady on here and they have treated me with as much respect as they expect to recive it not easy for a male on her but as my school report said must try harder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Probably because we are cunts (occasionally) and if you're gonna be ripped off with club prices then the title of "stupid cunts" is deserved.

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Odd that if you treat people with respect they often reciprocate.

As for clubs, yes it is unfair and I suspect there is an element of getting thier monies worth.

However, it does also ensure only serious swingers go and the average fella of the street doesn't.

Not every silver lining has a cloud...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

funny how the ones who complain on here about not getting a fuck.. oh yes usually the ones that label others munters in threads and so on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One phrase sums it up:. The law of supply and demand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never enought single guys at the clubs when we go just seems to be d*unk women and moaning couples hence we dont go lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've Never been treated like a vagina!! It's a case of you reap what you sow. There maybe plenty of honest genuine descent guys on this site!! But then you get the complete total wankers that spoil it for the rest of them. Most men will always chase the skirt and if they have to pay the price they will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

theres lots of cunts on fab and lots of dicks too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Club pricing is supply and demand, pricing helps them balance numbers. You may not agree but that's the way it is. As for people's attitudes you reap what you sow... "

What they said

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Yeah supply and demand, there are really more women than men but society and other ladies have put so much pressure on the ladies and repressed them to the extent that only few of them can express themselves like this and thats why there is an imbalance, the ladies hit around 35 and realise they have not enjoyed themselves at all and by default you find them in the lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Men who allow others to treat them as cunts must be cunts, nobody ever will me.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"Yeah supply and demand, there are really more women than men but society and other ladies have put so much pressure on the ladies and repressed them to the extent that only few of them can express themselves like this and thats why there is an imbalance, the ladies hit around 35 and realise they have not enjoyed themselves at all and by default you find them in the lifestyle."

What's that got to do with the op thinking most men are treated like cunts?

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

What's that got to do with the op thinking most men are treated like cunts?"

Not sure - but in all fairness - my c*** gets treated rather damned well on here!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

just about sums up what I was thinking"

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

I'll let the single guys on here respond to that, as obviously I don't know. We certainly don't treat anyone like that.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

Sounds like a generalisation. I hope no one has treated you in that way and if they have, I'm sure you wouldn't want to meet that sort of person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have no interest in clubs but I certainly don't treat men like cunts. And even when they behave like one I just move on

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By *lueKinkMan
over a year ago

Manchester

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special."

I would suggest that some females and couples on fab are high on the power they have over single guys. I agree with other comments regarding the need for polite messaging, and always do this, but even so occasionally receive arrogant and unpleasant responses.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

give me an example please Mr exotic of how you were treated please? not saying its just the way i feel since moving back 21 years ago

What are you on about? Fab hasn't been in existence for 21 years

think he moved from South Africa 21 years ago like that's got anything to do with the price of fish

Yes I knew he had moved here from SouthAfrica. Like you I'm not sure how that relates to his personal experience of Fab

well i been call nasty names on here too so know you know"

And that is unacceptable.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

We have also received those sorts of responses, unfortunately, so we accept it and block.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

What's that got to do with the op thinking most men are treated like cunts?"

The op feels like that because he has not yet learnt game and is shocked by the response of the ladies when you approach without skill, look, reading and writing is magic to some people, speaking English is magic to other people, it is the same thing here learn how to catch quality women , if you don't learn, catching women will be magic too. Once you learn and you become a boss player , women will be chasing you and you decide the number you can manage daily

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

What's that got to do with the op thinking most men are treated like cunts?

Oh right...

I think I'm a quality woman I tell people to please go away rather than fuck off,is that what you mean?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

I don't agree with this comment at all , the couples and females here, are they not chasing some single guys? The fact that they don't respond to loads of guys doesn't mean they are not getting their needs met, they definitely are fucking some guys steady, the question is how do you join these group of guys.Because in my opinion these select guys are the ones with the real power.

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By * and M lookingCouple
over a year ago

Worcester

Ran an experiment a few weeks back. Had 10 messages all from single males. Replied to those 10 to say I wasn't interested. 7 of those 10 responded with abuse or a snidey remark.

So you can see how it's easy to tar with the same brush when so many are the same "

TBH that's the opposite of what we have experienced.

When we reply we just say thank you for your message but not looking for single guys and we usually get an oh okay thank you back??

That may change of course but hope not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Club prices for single guys does seem steep and I've noticed some private functions held by fabbers do this as well maybe it's a way of ing out the element that is likely to feel I paid good money so I should get a screw ,I don't know but there is this element all across the fab fabric but single guys seem to bear the brunt so op not to be tarred with the cunt brush strive to stand out from the norm and redress the balance as I try to do and countless other guys do

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

What's that got to do with the op thinking most men are treated like cunts?

Oh right...

I think I'm a quality woman I tell people to please go away rather than fuck off,is that what you mean?

Yeah of course, I will not even let the "fuck off" come out of her mouth, the first two questions I will ask her will make me know if I want to fuck with her or not and if I see she is not qualified to have me I am walking away from her front no matter how fine she is.

This is game, all the ladies with their pussy open on their profile don't attract me, if I would eat, I would rather eat good food , it is same here, there is nothing better than being pampered by a quality woman.

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By *r and mrs sanddancerCouple
over a year ago

BOLDON COLLIERY

your post screams entitlement; you're not getting the shags you think your entitled to so it is the sites fault.

I get the feeling that your messages would be on the same line as your post.

And you wonder why you are treated the way you are,

rather than trying to change the site, try changing your expectations and attitude.

you then might start getting some results

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Single guys who stand out among the rest of us will always get attention. Women will respond to their messages. Unread, read not replied to and deleted are not worth persuing and I block. It should not bother you once you unspderstand the dynamics. As for entrance fees, clubs charge various prices for singke guys. There is enough choice of venue and club type to encourage the right balance. If you charge the same for single guys and singke women, then not many single women will attend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think about it paying £25 into a club making friends having a great night chatting drinking and maybe getting play at the end i would say is a dam good cheap night have you seen the prices for drinks in pubs these days guessing you would spend a hell of a lot more on a night out xx

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"If you think about it paying £25 into a club making friends having a great night chatting drinking and maybe getting play at the end i would say is a dam good cheap night have you seen the prices for drinks in pubs these days guessing you would spend a hell of a lot more on a night out xx"

I agree with this, £25 is a great price to pay to talk to a diamond wearing quality woman, who you can't meet on the street , don't you agree guys? Vanilla is far more expensive

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

Exactly. Lots of clubs are bring your own drinks too.

I think some people wheel out fictional club pricing as a reason not to do things.

The reality is it's a good value, relaxed night that can also be ultra horny.

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon

I doubt whether most men do get treated like that, only those that act in such a way that they attract that sort of treatment. It's not right but depends on how you approach people, I guess.

they do on here

You might. You are 1 bloke. Not all.

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By *othcpluk1Couple
over a year ago

Sheffield

"Why do men get treated like cunts"

Probably because 99.99% Don't actually read and understand what couple's and single ladies want which is usually in the profile.

We still get messages from single guys that are nowhere near what we are looking for as stated on our profile, so we are probably a bit short in our replies to them and that's if we send one at all.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Cheers for the replys very interesting and electic replies. I send nice messages im not too fussed i get treated well on here by people. I dont drive or go to clubs so that saves me £. It is just supply and demand in the end and finding that rare couple who are looking for each of us mens particular requirements and us theirs. Thank you all for your responses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

some cples may be a bit harse on single guys as they have the pic of the bunch and can afford to piss a few guys off as there is plenty more available, which we think is wrong you should treat everyone with the same respect,

however we do as others do receive messages from guys who clearly haven't read or understood our profile or are simply pushing their luck which after a while gets tedious so we can understand why some react in such ways,

unfortunately this has a knock on effect for lots of genuine guys on here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally treat men like I would like to be treated

With respect and manners

Unless I am treated not nice then I put my guard up and response appropriately

Don't put every one in one bucket

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By *ucilleWoman
over a year ago

Newcastle Upon Tyne

OK so you think guys spend more than us women or couples because of the club prices? Wrong!! I will tell you why. do you know how much it costs to get your nails done get your hair done even buy all the make up and beauty products we require on a daily basis? Also hair removal doesn't come cheap! The nice sexy dress and heels we walk around in cost money. The lingerie you all love again does not come cheap!

In addition to this I think that you will find that it costs you far less to go to a club than it would for night on the town.

Another point a few people have made is most clubs charge more for single men than couples to help control the numbers. At the end of the day a swingers club is mostly for couples. Yes in recent years singles have become a part of it and that is a welcome added extra but it is just that an extra. You do have the option of going out on the town going on tinder or plenty of fish. If couples want to meet others for sex they have swinging clubs and swingers sites that's it.

Some clubs also have private parties where everyone pays the same but are invite only. So if you go to clubs get to know people are polite and respectful and don't act like a cunt you won't be treated like one and get invited to these sort of events.

I went to an event like this and it was fab.

So stop feeling so hard done by suck it up and deal with it or go back to the more traditional methods of getting your Dick wet!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I personally treat men like I would like to be treated

With respect and manners

Unless I am treated not nice then I put my guard up and response appropriately

Don't put every one in one bucket "

this exactly...if you treat women on here like some sort of free hooker service, cant be arsed to write a profile, think a pic of your wrinkly unappealing dick and 'u wan suk me' message is going to have us come running then no, you will not get favourable responses....which is quite frankly what a huge amount of men on here do!

as for club prices..its supply and demand..same as any any other profit making organisation...so sick of fucking whiny men on here! you dont do yourself any favours whining! if you dont like it then go elsewhere!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

I agree - whenever I go to clubs, women especially assume that I'm gonna shag them just because I'm a bloke at a swingers club.

No manners that lot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

Totally agree. We have never felt we have any power over the guys we play with. They all have plenty of options, and I know they wouldn't stick around if we started being arrogant or playing games. My long term lover, I nearly always have to text him if we want to see him. We also don't have power over the guys we don't meet - I mean we don't know them, it's unlikely we will ever know them, therefore nobody has any power. But if we were to meet someone new, we're not foolish enough to think we have a power over them. Quality guys don't play games like that.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what people are saying is that 25 quid is cheap for a guy to attend a club but u ladies need to get your nails hair etc done pay for drinks get transport there maybe book a hotel for night but a single guy gets away with a cheap night and doesn't have many of the same costs so he gets a free ride free drinks and still expect sex at a free hotel after mmmm what a flawed argument

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon

"OK so you think guys spend more than us women or couples because of the club prices? Wrong!! I will tell you why. do you know how much it costs to get your nails done get your hair done even buy all the make up and beauty products we require on a daily basis? Also hair removal doesn't come cheap! The nice sexy dress and heels we walk around in cost money. The lingerie you all love again does not come cheap!

In addition to this I think that you will find that it costs you far less to go to a club than it would for night on the town.

I went to an event like this and it was fab.

So stop feeling so hard done by suck it up and deal with it or go back to the more traditional methods of getting your Dick wet!

some of us don't 'require' beauty products on a daily basis. You might do, but that is your choice. As are nail and hair appointments, and what you spend on outfits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

Mrs "

Question coming from a single guy: why all the power game talk here about swinging? I don't think it's a particularly healthy way to look at attractiveness or social dynamics here in swinging, nor does it make any party feel any more reassured.

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish

Cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt cunt --------------------- CUNT!

That is all!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In addition to this I think that you will find that it costs you far less to go to a club than it would for night on the town.

I went to an event like this and it was fab.

So stop feeling so hard done by suck it up and deal with it or go back to the more traditional methods of getting your Dick wet!

some of us don't 'require' beauty products on a daily basis. You might do, but that is your choice. As are nail and hair appointments, and what you spend on outfits.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its not just men who get badly treated us women do too

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

Nope, doesn't sound like you are moaning at all....!

I agree it's not a moan. More like a total whining

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By *eneral HysteriaMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

No one's ever been a cunt to me on here.

There are some dickheads around, for sure, but I choose not to chat or associate with them. I choose to ignore them.

As for the pricing at clubs, I would agree that the pricing at many is iniquitous. Therefore I choose not to frequent them unless I'm with a lady and, by virtue, part of a couple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Interesting that you used the word cunt for being treated like shite

Women's empowerment clearly has a ways to go

There prick and bollox too for balance

oh and dickhead and many more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well not quite he's half right it is a bit shit that men tend to pay over the odds for club entry compared to ladies and couples I know cheaper entry price is way to get women in but in a day and age when everyone harps on about equality it's not very pc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well not quite he's half right it is a bit shit that men tend to pay over the odds for club entry compared to ladies and couples I know cheaper entry price is way to get women in but in a day and age when everyone harps on about equality it's not very pc"

doesnt matter if its 'pc'...(and as much as people apparently 'harp on' there is very little gender equality as regards pay, professional advancement etc!)..they run a business..its irrelevant if single men think its unfair im afraid..we live in a capitalist society..you might as well go and argue with your local tesco manager about the price of english asparagus as opposed to mexican asparagus...its just tough!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But if it was women being asked to pay more the clubs would be emptier

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh I don't know , bland profiles, dick pics ( cause women have got to love them right?).......sigh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But if it was women being asked to pay more the clubs would be emptier"

obviously!! thats what i just said! they run a business not a charity for the 'lacking in fucks' !! same as any other business, they tailor their prices to fit their profit margin...if you dont like it , dont go!

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I prefer the clubs to using fabs to organise meets because at least in the clubs you know you have very serious ladies and less of time wasters.

I learnt from older guys who had many ladies as I was growing up.

The op asked a real question, I understand the pain when you see a very ugly woman treating you like shit and the ugly ladies are the worst for treating guys like shit, believe me.

First you need confidence and you need to learn how to talk to quality ladies, proper planning prevents poor performance.The easiest way is to use the ladies words to talk to her e.g if a lady in the club says to you "wow what a beautiful party" , you can say "yes but I have never seen any lady more beautiful than you, babe you make the party complete".the conversation should carry on like that. You always use her words to talk to her but in a different way, this makes her feel you are listening to her and it makes her trust you and want you. This gives you the opportunity to lead the conversation and close the deal without her realising what you are doing , this is game , don't spend more than 5 mins talking before you ask her if she would like to play , you have have to be business like about it. If she says no move on quickly to the next lady,You will see that you will start getting the quality ladies like this.

Once the ugly ladies see you playing with a beautiful lady , you have set the benchmark and they will be so nice to you because the beautiful girl has elevated you, so go for the beautiful girls first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I prefer the clubs to using fabs to organise meets because at least in the clubs you know you have very serious ladies and less of time wasters.

I learnt from older guys who had many ladies as I was growing up.

The op asked a real question, I understand the pain when you see a very ugly woman treating you like shit and the ugly ladies are the worst for treating guys like shit, believe me.

ah! the guru of swinging has spoken! we can all go to bed enlightened now!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Morning Fella

I've just read literally your blog about treatment on here of us single guys?

Whilst I can't deny that for my first 4-6' weeks I did receive some very negative messages shall we say at best? Some like you say was abusive and one couple even threatened me with violence and all because I didn't want to meet them?

I've now been on here for over three months and can only say from personal experience I've had an absolutely unbelievable anount of success with both couples and ladies and half of my verifications I haven't even published out of mutuall respect between all concerned?

And do you why I think that I've been very popular is not down to my physique or face at all? More importantly I treat everyone on here with respect and if I've been deleted I don't take offence and just move on fella!

One thing what couples and ladies alike on here just can't stand from single guys is pushy behaviour and expectent/entitlement attitude...

I'm not in anyway having a pop at ya mate and mean absolutely no offence to you with this message and I'm just trying to explain how my time on Fab has gone in just three months which I put down to more than my physical appearance is I'm very respectful at all times!

Cheers Fella

Mickey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe it's a way of ing out the element that is likely to feel I paid good money so I should get a screw"

As far as I'm concerned, sex-discriminatory pricing actually serves to reinforce male attendees' sense of entitlement to sex.

First off, the guys who go to clubs with the intention of simply getting laid are not going to be put off by having to pay 'over the odds'...as several people have already pointed out, £25 is hardly a crippling fee.

Second, the guys know that couples get in at reduced prices, and that single women do not have to pay a penny. Consequently, they see themselves as having paid more towards the running of the venue, and thus entitled to a bigger share of the 'benefits.'

Third, because single women are let in free of charge, this further reinforces the impression that they are there for no other reason than to cater to the whims of the couples and single men. Essentially, it implies that the single women are being let in for free simply in order to provide an incentive for single men to pay the 'premium' entry fee.

Fourth, allowing single women to attend for free reinforces a negative stereotype about female swingers. Not only does it treat them like 'free advertising,' but it also implies that single women are so little interested in swinging that they would refuse to attend were they not given the incentive of a 'freebie.' It implies that women engage in swinging solely in order to please their male friends and partners, and would refuse to pay even a small fee for entry to a club.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If getting free ice cream and blow jobs is being treated like a cunt then damn I wish people outside the site treated me more cuntishly!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe it's a way of ing out the element that is likely to feel I paid good money so I should get a screw

As far as I'm concerned, sex-discriminatory pricing actually serves to reinforce male attendees' sense of entitlement to sex.

Fortunately most men don't think like you then.

If that's how you feel about female swingers I can see why you're always so salty about clubs.

Most guys see it for what it is, supply and demand.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But if it was women being asked to pay more the clubs would be emptier"
fact is having women couages more ment to and a lot of clubs have limits on the number of single me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i find a good class high standard sauna far better than a club advertised in a house off a lane

have hosted sex parties at my flat in manchester and they have always been successful

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no one paid they just brought along drinks

condoms and food was provided

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

I've recently started planning social events I originally opted for a fair pricing scheme the male spaces filled within the first hour of me advertising and for months I had no intrest from FEMs and only a handful of couples the guys on the Kik group were obviously highly disappointed at the poor showing so they all voted and thanked me for trying to do something different but told me to just do what the clubs do and they don't mind paying more if it gets more couples and fems interested, the minute I changed it can you guess what happened? Yep the list practically filled within a few days

The pricing structure may seem highly unfair and discriminatory to you OP but in my experience it doesn't work any other way, though if you want to organise something yourself and get it the work I'd love to know what/how you did it so I can implement it myself for future events

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've recently started planning social events I originally opted for a fair pricing scheme the male spaces filled within the first hour of me advertising and for months I had no intrest from FEMs and only a handful of couples the guys on the Kik group were obviously highly disappointed at the poor showing so they all voted and thanked me for trying to do something different but told me to just do what the clubs do and they don't mind paying more if it gets more couples and fems interested, the minute I changed it can you guess what happened? Yep the list practically filled within a few days

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Yes location will of course be a factor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i had one rule if you get pushy the door will be shown

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fortunately most men don't think like you then. If that's how you feel about female swingers, I can see why you're always so salty about clubs.

Most guys see it for what it is, supply and demand."

Kindly show me where I made any comment regarding how I feel about 'female swingers'...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women and couples are hardly short of invites to these things so it is always a case of "do I go to the free party or the one with 20 quid entry" given they get nothing extra at the 20 quid party you'd be silly to ever pick it.

Only solution would be some kind of colusion to price fix all parties/clubs but that's well like trying to organise colusion :p

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fortunately most men don't think like you then. If that's how you feel about female swingers, I can see why you're always so salty about clubs.

Most guys see it for what it is, supply and demand.

Kindly show me where I made any comment regarding how I feel about 'female swingers'..."

Every single one of your points. You just framed them as being thoughts in some hypothetical entitled man's mind.

But it's you isn't it.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

"Fortunately most men don't think like you then. If that's how you feel about female swingers, I can see why you're always so salty about clubs.

Most guys see it for what it is, supply and demand.

Kindly show me where I made any comment regarding how I feel about 'female swingers'..."

You basically called women in clubs glorified prostitutes at least that's how it came across

It's not the first time you've displayed such an attitude neither

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every single one of your points. You just framed them as being thoughts in some hypothetical entitled man's mind.

But it's you isn't it."

Right...so in your opinion, my criticism of gender stereotyping is evidence that I am secretly a misogynist...

That's logical...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You basically called women in clubs glorified prostitutes at least that's how it came across"

Again, try reading what I wrote.

I DID NOT 'call women in clubs glorified prostitutes.'

I asserted that a gendered pricing structure reinforces the stereotype that single women are there primarily to cater to the desires of single men and couples, and reinforces the sense of entitlement possessed by many of those men who attend clubs.

There's a difference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fortunately most men don't think like you then. If that's how you feel about female swingers, I can see why you're always so salty about clubs.

Most guys see it for what it is, supply and demand.

Kindly show me where I made any comment regarding how I feel about 'female swingers'...

You basically called women in clubs glorified prostitutes at least that's how it came across

It's not the first time you've displayed such an attitude neither "
you tell him girl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You basically called women in clubs glorified prostitutes at least that's how it came across

Again, try reading what I wrote.

I DID NOT 'call women in clubs glorified prostitutes.'

There's a difference.

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ok you you have asserted omen only go to cater for the disires of single men and couples... can i ask wtf men go their for then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the first time you've displayed such an attitude neither you tell him girl

Err...hold on a tick...

Earlier in this thread, YOU said that "fact is having women encourages more men too."

That supports my assertion that clubs that allow women in for free do so in order to have those women act as 'advertising.'

The more women they have, the more men will turn up and fork over their cash...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You basically called women in clubs glorified prostitutes at least that's how it came across

Again, try reading what I wrote.

I DID NOT 'call women in clubs glorified prostitutes.'

There's a difference.

ok you you have asserted omen only go to cater for the disires of single men and couples... can i ask wtf men go their for then"

To fuck the women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok you you have asserted women only go to cater for the disires of single men and couples... can i ask wtf men go their for then"

No, I asserted that a gendered pricing structure reinforces the BELIEF amongst single men that single women are there only to cater for the desires of men/couples.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok you you have asserted women only go to cater for the disires of single men and couples... can i ask wtf men go their for then

No, I asserted that a gendered pricing structure reinforces the BELIEF amongst single men that single women are there only to cater for the desires of men/couples.

As I said, men who see themselves as having paid a 'premium' entry fee will feel MORE entitled to receive sexual gratification, and likely be less inclined to respect a woman's right to refuse their advances."
jesus pal no is no no is no and those that attend as a single are not guaranteed sex as they know and are told before entering

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"jesus pal no is no no is no and those that attend as a single are not guaranteed sex as they know and are told before entering"

I was not disputing that 'no means no'...I was not disputing that 'attendees are not guaranteed sex'

What I was trying to point out is that merely hiking up the prices for single guys will do little to put off those who see themselves as entitled to a fuck...

I haven't been to a club for over a year. Do you know what put me off?

Having to listen to a load of middle-aged men bleat and moan about how they'd 'paid their money' to come in and 'hadn't been able to get any pussy'...

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By *tockport 69Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

Would love to go to a club for couples only at the weekend maybe in the day time but not a crap club in south Manchester ? & ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In addition to this I think that you will find that it costs you far less to go to a club than it would for night on the town.

I went to an event like this and it was fab.

So stop feeling so hard done by suck it up and deal with it or go back to the more traditional methods of getting your Dick wet!

some of us don't 'require' beauty products on a daily basis. You might do, but that is your choice. As are nail and hair appointments, and what you spend on outfits.

Completely missed the point. So what do you do when you go to a club? Wear a tracksuit and not shower for 3 days?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That is why you get lucky, gorgeous because your attitude is let live. I am a strong believer in whilst clubs have to charge as they do..

You can get women to meet if you are a gent when it counts and save your lovely animal side for the bedroom.

OP it is a fact of life, some men treat women terribly and think it is ok. I am sure their are women like that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what people are saying is that 25 quid is cheap for a guy to attend a club but u ladies need to get your nails hair etc done pay for drinks get transport there maybe book a hotel for night but a single guy gets away with a cheap night and doesn't have many of the same costs so he gets a free ride free drinks and still expect sex at a free hotel after mmmm what a flawed argument "

Why's it a flawed argument? And for fuck's sake, use some punctuation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In addition to this I think that you will find that it costs you far less to go to a club than it would for night on the town.

I went to an event like this and it was fab.

So stop feeling so hard done by suck it up and deal with it or go back to the more traditional methods of getting your Dick wet!

some of us don't 'require' beauty products on a daily basis. You might do, but that is your choice. As are nail and hair appointments, and what you spend on outfits.

Completely missed the point. So what do you do when you go to a club? Wear a tracksuit and not shower for 3 days? "

I think it's you Retro who is missing the point.

Whilst it is your choice to go to whatever lengths you want to go to in order to doll up to whatever standards you want for yourself, do know that not everyone needs to resort to such exorbitant lengths before going on a night out or to go swinging in a club.

Secondly, your emphasised mentioning of "daily makeup and beauty products" for yourself seems to hint that you're one who is quite uncomfortable in your own natural skin and exterior appearance. You don't have to look sloppy, but if I'm getting the impression right from your comments Retro that you place so much faith and effort in vanity and looks then surely you aren't one to age gracefully and naturally without trying to cheat age with more and more artificial methods.

The Jersey guy has brought up good points and all you're doing is attacking him here because you somehow feel slighted? Come on. Can't hurt for you to just leave it at "agree to disagree"?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Every single one of your points. You just framed them as being thoughts in some hypothetical entitled man's mind.

But it's you isn't it.

Right...so in your opinion, my criticism of gender stereotyping is evidence that I am secretly a misogynist...

That's logical...

Nope my point is you continually make points about what you think other people "belive".

You come to these conclusions because they are your thought processes.

How can I argue with this made up single male you've invented?

I can't it's why it's called a strawman. But from your posts in here and in other threads in the past it shines through quite clearly these are your thoughts and you are this mystery entitled man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You basically called women in clubs glorified prostitutes at least that's how it came across

Again, try reading what I wrote.

I DID NOT 'call women in clubs glorified prostitutes.'

There's a difference.

Exce p t there is no such stereotype

That's just how you think.

I'd say if anything the gendered price structure and over abundance of single males makes it the oposite

The single men are there to serve the desires of the women

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's not the first time you've displayed such an attitude neither you tell him girl

Err...hold on a tick...

Earlier in this thread, YOU said that "fact is having women encourages more men too."

That supports my assertion that clubs that allow women in for free do so in order to have those women act as 'advertising.'

The more women they have, the more men will turn up and fork over their cash..."

And this in your mind puts the women in a position of weakness

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"ok you you have asserted women only go to cater for the disires of single men and couples... can i ask wtf men go their for then

No, I asserted that a gendered pricing structure reinforces the BELIEF amongst single men that single women are there only to cater for the desires of men/couples.

Right hang on, even outside the swinging world if you're paying a "premium" to get in and somone else is getting in for free.

You ain't the VIP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"jesus pal no is no no is no and those that attend as a single are not guaranteed sex as they know and are told before entering

I was not disputing that 'no means no'...I was not disputing that 'attendees are not guaranteed sex'

What I was trying to point out is that merely hiking up the prices for single guys will do little to put off those who see themselves as entitled to a fuck...

I haven't been to a club for over a year. Do you know what put me off?

Having to listen to a load of middle-aged men bleat and moan about how they'd 'paid their money' to come in and 'hadn't been able to get any pussy'..."
try talking to the women not the men then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In addition to this I think that you will find that it costs you far less to go to a club than it would for night on the town.

I went to an event like this and it was fab.

So stop feeling so hard done by suck it up and deal with it or go back to the more traditional methods of getting your Dick wet!

some of us don't 'require' beauty products on a daily basis. You might do, but that is your choice. As are nail and hair appointments, and what you spend on outfits.

Completely missed the point. So what do you do when you go to a club? Wear a tracksuit and not shower for 3 days?

I think it's you Retro who is missing the point.

The Jersey guy has brought up good points and all you're doing is attacking him here because you somehow feel slighted? Come on. Can't hurt for you to just leave it at "agree to disagree"?

Where have I attacked Jersey guy?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I think the price is very reasonable for what you get, if you go to the capital city , London, you will pay about the same amount to get into a decent vanilla club and when you are in the vanilla clubs you will pay 7x your gate fee or more to have your own table to sit down ,except you want to stand all night. Then you will get fake vanilla girls who will help you spend your money well and if you are lucky you might get just one of them for the night.

At least here you meet several higher grade ,real quality ladies who are there for fun and mostly without their knickers and not wasting your time,you can talk to them directly and they can talk to you directly, I really like what the lifestyle has to offer compared to vanilla.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thx118...

If you're going to criticise my arguments, at least try to refrain from posting a stream of incoherent babble...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The Jersey guy has brought up good points and all you're doing is attacking him here because you somehow feel slighted? Come on. Can't hurt for you to just leave it at "agree to disagree"?"

To be fair, Retro haven't attacked me...Thx118 is the one attacking me...

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By *mber GamblerCouple
over a year ago

rugby

Women pay more for razors, clothes, toiletries, medical aids and we get taxed on tampax. We also have a big gender pay gap. Up to a third. These are the every day harsh realities for women. I don't think being charged to get into a swingers club is a big deal. Especially when that pricing is there for good reason.

As for being treated harshly. I'd like to know what things are constantly happening to you. Women are disrespected constantly by men on here and in the world generally.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Women are disrespected constantly by men on here and in the world generally. "

Exactly...yet people seem intent on telling me that 'no negative stereotypes exist' which serve to encourage that behaviour...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm surprised after being on and off here for years you need to ask.

I would say it's as high as at least 50% of men on here seem to think that just because we're on a site like this then we should be up for fucking anyone anywhere!!! When they then get told a polite no thx (some not all) become rude and nasty.

I used to have quite a few pics on public view but have slowly put them private because of rude/nasty messages that I've received

The club prices are ridiculous for men but how else can they try to get it more of an equal number?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"Women pay more for razors, clothes, toiletries, medical aids and we get taxed on tampax. We also have a big gender pay gap. Up to a third. These are the every day harsh realities for women. I don't think being charged to get into a swingers club is a big deal. Especially when that pricing is there for good reason.

As for being treated harshly. I'd like to know what things are constantly happening to you. Women are disrespected constantly by men on here and in the world generally. "

I don't disrespect any lady so I won't want you to take the argument to disrespected in the world in general, I agree with some of your points but lets us leave the argument about price to demand and supply to control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ran an experiment a few weeks back. Had 10 messages all from single males. Replied to those 10 to say I wasn't interested. 7 of those 10 responded with abuse or a snidey remark.

So you can see how it's easy to tar with the same brush when so many are the same "

Exactly the this

It's men and the majority of men letting men down

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why's it a flawed argument? And for fuck's sake, use some punctuation. "
sorry this was written at 12 at night half asleep, and didn't realise the English grammar police were in the house.the argument is flawed two fold ,1 women get in cheaper ,2drinks cost the same for everyone and what you spend to get their on sundries varies from person to person and shouldn't be in the equation

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And for the record I do attend parties hosted by people who charge entry fees which are reasonable, and the way they regulate the amount of guys is they set a limit and if you misbehave in any way you don't get an invite to attend again, and the vast majority of guys don't go expecting to get laid but if it does happen it's a bonus, but they don't feel like they've paid a premium for the privilege of the invite and further more the single ladies and couples have only payed slightly less to attend;where as a club pricing structure tends to cost single guys 2 to 3 times more than a single lady or couple which does strike many guys as opertunistic on the clubs behalf .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thx118...

If you're going to criticise my arguments, at least try to refrain from posting a stream of incoherent babble..."

Well I'm sorry you never learned to debate or what logical fallacies are.

But it doesn't change things.

In these threads you always argue the perspective of a hypothetical made up strawman and then when pulled on it go to "I haven't been to clubs in years". (The reason for this seems to change to suit your need).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As for being treated harshly. I'd like to know what things are constantly happening to you. Women are disrespected constantly by men on here and in the world generally. "

You realise under 30 women make more than men right?

The pay gap only exists when you compare average wages without taking into account that men go do high paying STEM careers while women do incredibly low paid caring careers.

No body is forcing them to do this. Most STEM courses are desperate to get women on them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Awwww its not that bad surely? You get cheaper hair cuts at least!

And no periods..

Don't habe to give birth

The lost is endless .. I'd be happy with my lot if I were male lool

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Another thing I noticed is the saying that the swingers club is for couples and the parties where singles attend is just an extra,well from experience that couple thing does not work.

Very soon by my observations at the rate at which single girls are joining the lifestyle, the singles party will be the main party and the couples only party will be the extra. Single girls are already going to the club on their own and playing in large numbers, once the single girls number becomes large, the singles party will surely take over in terms of relevance .The couple only party is just living on past glory at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

Mrs

You'd have to ask the person who brought it up. There's no power in my experience of swinging.

Mrs

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over a year ago

Aberdeen

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

Mrs

You'd have to ask the person who brought it up. There's no power in my experience of swinging.

Mrs"

Of course swinging by it's nature is a power dynamic, look at the question the op asked "why do men get treated like cunts", well if a group of women and couples are treating some guys like cunts and there is nothing they can do about it but to complain and ask questions on a forum , or the frustration of some of the guys on price as related to the personal value these guys obtain , this is a serious power dynamic , the guys are crying out for help, it is left for kind hearted women and men to come to their aid and equip the guys with the knowledge they need to stop the situation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Erm...cos they post cries for help/whinges on forums?

humour post only.

.it is what it is.... You learn to live with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear OP.

The ladies not falling down at your feet like you expected?

You don't sound bitter at all

Some couples and single females do treat people like crap on here. For some reason they think they are special.

Mrs

You'd have to ask the person who brought it up. There's no power in my experience of swinging.

Mrs

Yes I guess there is a power dynamic with these guys. But not with the ones who are out there having a good time. I'd be amazed if any guy from the swing scene said that I had the power.

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over a year ago

A lot of dispute in the night about the unfairness of club/party pricing. Thought it was interesting the poster who said she tried to price her parties fairly and as a result she couldn't get women to attend. I think men who pay to get into a club/party, and are feeling disgruntled that the women get in free or at a subsidised rate, should ask themselves if they want those women there. Seriously, are guys really complaining about the measures party organisers go to to encourage women to attend? As an organiser of house parties, although we don't charge because we host in our private home, it is a pain in the arse trying to get the right number of couples to attend. Single ladies it's practically impossible. Single men - we can pick and choose. I'm afraid there are no equal opportunities in the swing scene.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I wish I was treated like a cunt, at least I get fucked.

Haha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Awwww its not that bad surely? You get cheaper hair cuts at least!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A lot of dispute in the night about the unfairness of club/party pricing. Thought it was interesting the poster who said she tried to price her parties fairly and as a result she couldn't get women to attend. I think men who pay to get into a club/party, and are feeling disgruntled that the women get in free or at a subsidised rate, should ask themselves if they want those women there. Seriously, are guys really complaining about the measures party organisers go to to encourage women to attend? As an organiser of house parties, although we don't charge because we host in our private home, it is a pain in the arse trying to get the right number of couples to attend. Single ladies it's practically impossible. Single men - we can pick and choose. I'm afraid there are no equal opportunities in the swing scene.

Mrs"

I've not had lots of experience with clubs or parties but the experience I have had hasn't always been great and it's been single men not couples or females that have put me off! This is why I'm reluctant to attend places, it's a viscous circle ......... men behave like a dog with 2 dicks around the few single women that are there, then they're less likely to go to again! They bring it on themselves, not ALL men I know

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thx118...

If you're going to criticise my arguments, at least try to refrain from posting a stream of incoherent babble...

Well I'm sorry you never learned to debate or what logical fallacies are.

But it doesn't change things.

First, if we're going to talk about logical fallacies, let's talk about the fact that you've repeatedly engaged in ad hominem attacks, rather than actually addressing my points.

Second, you accuse me of creating a 'strawman' and claim that no negative stereotypes exist of single female swingers, even though Kay83, redfox34 and WeeBexx have ALL spoken about being witness to the kind of behaviour which I described.

Third, there are several reasons as to why I haven't been to a swingers club in years. However, most of them have NO relevance to the topic at hand. (E.g. The fact that my nearest swingers club is 250 miles away, and a visit would necessitate my traveling by AEROPLANE at a cost of more than £100)

Then, of course, there's your institution that the 'gender pay gap' is some kind of anti-male conspiracy theory, and that women are choosing 'low wage, low skilled jobs.'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mrs"

Yep. Words like equality and discrimination are being thrown around here by people just looking for a shag. I don't think they understand the concept.

Try being discriminated against in the workplace due to a disability.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thx118...you say that when I talk of entitlement amongst single men, I am simply creating a 'strawman'...

Well, let's look at what some of the women on this thread have to say:

"Ran an experiment a few weeks back. Had 10 messages all from single males. Replied to those 10 to say I wasn't interested. 7 of those 10 responded with abuse or a snidey remark."

"Women can get hundreds of messages a day. Some nice. Some not so nice. Even with a polite no thank you from the woman some men can still respond viciously and abusively."

"At least 50% of men on here seem to think that just because we're on a site like this then we should be up for fucking anyone anywhere!!! When they then get told a polite no thx (some not all) become rude and nasty."

Are these women also creating a 'strawman'? Are they 'making up' their experiences of male sexual entitlement?

In particular, Kay83 clearly states that she has been "put off" clubs and is "reluctant to attend [events]" because single men "behave like a dog with 2 dicks around the few single women that are there."

When I stated that behaviour such as this served as a factor in my decision to stop attending swingers clubs, you accused me of 'making up' the incident. Based on that, you presumably believe that Kay83 is ALSO 'creating a strawman'...

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