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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

how do people cope with fear of catching?

I got an std picked up recently on a routine screening, no symptoms and now I am freaked out. picked up either by oral or kissing possibly...

your thoughts appreciated. do other people have routine screenings for example?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

caught chlamaydia once many moons ago and its easily treated, but was freaked out for many months after, every time i had sex (safe as always) i went to be screened till they sat me down and had a talk to me, put my mind at ease

my biggest fear tho is genital herpes, as that can lie dormant in ur system for yrs before makig an apppearence and u could hav had for a long long time before if any symptoms show

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West

We dont need to 'cope' as such as we dont swing..for that reason alone.

No need to be freaked out though...STD's know no social barriers, anyone can get them...it is an occupational hazard that comes with swinging..which obviously puts people into a higher risk category..

Its relatively easy to clear up and doesnt take long..they are nothing to be ashamed of..dont let it make you feel dirty or ruin your life..it can happen to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

blood tests every six months,

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was clean two months ago so picked this up in last two months, would have been dire if I had waited six months.

I don't feel dirty, just feel enormously guilty for putting others at risk. even people I have only kissed, since the bug was found in my throat!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

std's do not got passed on by kissing......fact.....the saliva in the mouth is deadly 4 std's....the is a theoretical risk of passing std's by oral sex, but it is soooooooooo unlikley that most experts class oral sex as safe sex.....i know this cuz i had very very very bad anxiety, due to a blow job i recieved...and i reasearched it so much that im looking to do some kind of degree in sexual health, the books, website's and people i have spoken to 2 get info. i got tested 4 everything within 2 weeks then again at 5 then again at 8 then again at 12weeks, which is when you can be 100% sure with modern day testing.....i wouldnt say somthing like this if i didnt know for a fact the info i have recieved is 100% reliable...and if sum1s told you different then there information is out of date...and they shudnt be telling you such stuff as it promotes people in good health to have anxiety....which is exactly what happend 2 me.....i was told loads of crap like hiv takes 6 months 2 develop and all that.....ye it used 2 5 years ago...modern day testing is like 99% reliable after 5 weeks if u have the 4th gen duo test.....and 8 weeks for standard 3 gen antibody test...i did 12 cuz i was anxiety ridden and did it 4 reasurance that i ddint need...i dnt want anybody 2 worry unessercerily like i did..it was horrible..2 the point wer i didnt think about anything else i didnt have sex i didnt masturbate i didnt speak 2 any1 i felll way way behind on my uni work.....horrible horrible experience. and all beacause i was un educated in sexual health and didnt have the knowledge that i know have

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I was clean two months ago so picked this up in last two months, would have been dire if I had waited six months.

I don't feel dirty, just feel enormously guilty for putting others at risk. even people I have only kissed, since the bug was found in my throat!"
I think your a very brave woman to be so open about this .... you need a big pat on the back ... i know people who think just because thay feel nothing thay are all clear ... i am fed-up telling them some things you dont feel and never know untill you get cheeks done .. if your into swinging you have too ..... most can be treated very easy and your not a lepper ... your looking after yourself . we are so lucky our local gum is really good and lovely people.

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By *amschwingerzCouple
over a year ago

West


"I was clean two months ago so picked this up in last two months, would have been dire if I had waited six months.

I don't feel dirty, just feel enormously guilty for putting others at risk. even people I have only kissed, since the bug was found in my throat!"

No need to feel guilty..its par for the course..everyone who plays must know and therefore accept the risks..to some its part of the excitement..

If anyone who you did come in contact with became infected im sure they would accept it in the same way..

Keep your chin well and truly up mrs...x

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"std's do not got passed on by kissing......fact.....the saliva in the mouth is deadly 4 std's....the is a theoretical risk of passing std's by oral sex, but it is soooooooooo unlikley that most experts class oral sex as safe sex....."

I think you might have to update your reading . A lot of porn actresses get stds in their mouths and throats.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

You can catch 4 of the main stds from oral - fact. And I did catch one (gonorrhea). And at the clinic today the nurse said it was also possible to pass on infection via deep kissing (i.e with tongues).

Frankly I would hate anyone to go through this, I had no symptoms at all. Happy to let everyone know the risks. Thanks for the kind words!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

not from kissing they dnt.....a sexually transmited infection is caused by exactly that......sex....not kissing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

she is wrong then.....u crnt pass an std by kissing....load of poo poo

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

seriously stop fighting it, it the mouth can't kill the bug in sperm why would it not be transferred from kissing? think about it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oral sex ye u can contract an std.....but the risk is reduced phenominaly from sex.....you cud give sum1 oral sex who has ghonnaria 100 times and u might not get it.....u cud but u wud b unlucky.....and u obviously r unlucky....but it is considerd safe sex cuz it is so rare.....i.e your dr would not recomend u get tested if u had oral sex with a stranger....but he wud if u had unprotected sex......i ent sayin theres no risk but it is so so so low it ent worth worrying about cuz u will just as likly get struck by lightning.....fact.....and kissg well u just do not get std'd from kissing 100million%....

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips!"

Obviously, if you are both virgins, kissing each other with tongues and saliva you wont get a STI. But the risk, as you know, if if you kiss someone who has done oral with someone with a disease.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

From another site:

If a person is infected with any of the following STDs, there is a risk they could transmit the infection via oral sex.

The most common STD transmitted via oral sex is herpes. There are two main types of herpes simplex virus (HSV): HSV type 1, which usually causes cold sores around the mouth, and HSV type 2, which generally causes sores around the genitals. If a person has HSV type 1 and they give oral sex to another person, the herpes could be transmitted to the genital area of the other person, causing genital sores. This process can also work in reverse, with HSV-2 transmitting from the genitals to the mouth of the other person during oral sex, though this is rare.

Gonorrhoea can easily be transmitted via oral sex. The infection is usually passed from infected genitals to a person's throat, but can also be passed from an infected throat to a person's genitals. The body will almost always naturally clear the throat of the bacteria that cause gonorrhoea within three months, although infections in the genital tract will usually require antibiotics to cure.

Syphilis is easily transmitted during oral sex if a person’s mouth comes into contact with an open sore or a skin rash caused by the infection.

It is possible (but thought to be not very common) for the human papillomavirus, which causes genital warts, to be transmitted through oral sex.

Chlamydia can infect the throat via oral sex, although this is thought to be uncommon. People with chlamydia may not have any symptoms and may not be aware they are infected.

The hepatitis A virus is found in human faeces, and may be passed on during anal-oral sex.

Hepatitis B is contained in sexual fluids and blood and may be transmitted during oral sex in a similar way to HIV (see below).

Hepatitis C is generally only contained in blood, and will only be transmitted if there is blood present during oral sex.

Gastrointestinal infections and parasites may be passed on during oral contact with the anus.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips!"

no it doesnt.....kissing is kissing....if it ment peck on the lips it would make sure that they were clear about it....otherwise people would b kissing getting std's and suing the arrse of them cuz they said kissing was risk 3.....which it is...if you could get std's by kissing then they wudnt be std's they wud be common viral infections.....kids would have....11 year old having a snog wud get std's....you could stick you toung down the throats of 10000 h.i.v sufferes 100 ghonnareia sufferes....1000chlamydie suffers and u wud not catch anything that is a std'd u might get sum other infection or disease but it certainly would not be a sexual transmisted disease.....and u shudnt post on a swingers website that u can catch std's from kissing cuz it could cause some people 2 worry unessercerally

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"From another site:

If a person is infected with any of the following STDs, there is a risk they could transmit the infection via oral sex.

The most common STD transmitted via oral sex is herpes. There are two main types of herpes simplex virus (HSV): HSV type 1, which usually causes cold sores around the mouth, and HSV type 2, which generally causes sores around the genitals. If a person has HSV type 1 and they give oral sex to another person, the herpes could be transmitted to the genital area of the other person, causing genital sores. This process can also work in reverse, with HSV-2 transmitting from the genitals to the mouth of the other person during oral sex, though this is rare.

Gonorrhoea can easily be transmitted via oral sex. The infection is usually passed from infected genitals to a person's throat, but can also be passed from an infected throat to a person's genitals. The body will almost always naturally clear the throat of the bacteria that cause gonorrhoea within three months, although infections in the genital tract will usually require antibiotics to cure.

Syphilis is easily transmitted during oral sex if a person’s mouth comes into contact with an open sore or a skin rash caused by the infection.

It is possible (but thought to be not very common) for the human papillomavirus, which causes genital warts, to be transmitted through oral sex.

Chlamydia can infect the throat via oral sex, although this is thought to be uncommon. People with chlamydia may not have any symptoms and may not be aware they are infected.

The hepatitis A virus is found in human faeces, and may be passed on during anal-oral sex.

Hepatitis B is contained in sexual fluids and blood and may be transmitted during oral sex in a similar way to HIV (see below).

Hepatitis C is generally only contained in blood, and will only be transmitted if there is blood present during oral sex.

Gastrointestinal infections and parasites may be passed on during oral contact with the anus.

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ye i said you could spread std' oral sex just the risk is significantly reduced making it for all pratical purposes safe sex.....dr's do a risk assessment at gum's and if u say u just had oral sex and not full sex they wouldnt recomened testing.....absolute fact....there is a risk but there is also a risk you could get struck by lightning...it happens but not very often....but u crnt spread it by kissing

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"I've read that page a million times since monday! And the NHS literature says cannot be transmitted by kissing, but what that means is a peck on the lips!

no it doesnt.....kissing is kissing....if it ment peck on the lips it would make sure that they were clear about it....otherwise people would b kissing getting std's and suing the arrse of them cuz they said kissing was risk 3.....which it is...if you could get std's by kissing then they wudnt be std's they wud be common viral infections.....kids would have....11 year old having a snog wud get std's....you could stick you toung down the throats of 10000 h.i.v sufferes 100 ghonnareia sufferes....1000chlamydie suffers and u wud not catch anything that is a std'd u might get sum other infection or disease but it certainly would not be a sexual transmisted disease.....and u shudnt post on a swingers website that u can catch std's from kissing cuz it could cause some people 2 worry unessercerally"

Why are you telling someone who has been diagnosed with something that it is impossible for her to have it? She obviously has, and someone with it knows a million times more than someone who doesn't have it.

Not very empathic there man!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its not worth arguing with him.............. he's a man of course he is gonnna be right..........

NOT

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips..."

well your nurse is wrong

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

There are many people out there who do not know the risks involved from the oral movement of stds and posting on a swinging site is exactly where it needs to be done. Otherwise these bugs go round and round and become more of a problem.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"its not worth arguing with him.............. he's a man of course he is gonnna be right..........

NOT "

Aaaah, mansplaining. I forgot!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Well, I will ensure I tell the nurse in the GUM clinic that she's wrong then. That will be an interesting conversation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

beacuse it bullshit like telling people STD's are spread by kissing that causes horrendus moments in peoples lives.......if you caught through oral sex unlucky.....its very rare and i feel sorry 4 you....but doesnt change the facts....it is very rare.....and as 4 kissing like i said b4....sexual transmited infection r spread by sex....not kissing...if it was then every1 would have std's at sum point....just likeevery1 gets colds.....std's are not passed by kissing....its just not true....your either lying or your nurse has told incorrect info

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

jesus, what is this guy on??????

how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Actually I quite like it when the ill-informed show themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Dr Pixie said you can get thrush from kissing and two young women were on a beach showing her their thrush and they had both kissed the same man while on hiliday - Embarrassing Bodies the other night. If dr pixie says you can then you can.

Thrush is classed as an sti if its contracted by sexual contact although it can happen spontaneously for a variety of reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"jesus, what is this guy on??????

how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh "

do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dr Pixie said you can get thrush from kissing and two young women were on a beach showing her their thrush and they had both kissed the same man while on hiliday - Embarrassing Bodies the other night. If dr pixie says you can then you can.

Thrush is classed as an sti if its contracted by sexual contact although it can happen spontaneously for a variety of reasons."

oral thrush is not and std...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips...

well your nurse is wrong"

Also how do you think families get cold sores? (herpes) A peck on the lips is the culprit. Not sex - normal family affection.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Actually I quite like it when the ill-informed show themselves. "

Yep. Would hate to see the state of his gums.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"jesus, what is this guy on??????

how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh

do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."

look pal i think u seriously need to get a grip and be a whole lot better informed about things to be honest, i would pay a visit to your local gum clinic and fire questions at them!! and then and only then come back and hav a civil discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Dr Pixie said you can get thrush from kissing and two young women were on a beach showing her their thrush and they had both kissed the same man while on hiliday - Embarrassing Bodies the other night. If dr pixie says you can then you can.

Thrush is classed as an sti if its contracted by sexual contact although it can happen spontaneously for a variety of reasons.

oral thrush is not and std..."

Yes it can be. But don't expect me to pander to your ignorance - youve had plenty of examples and not given one credible piece of response back. Its admirable you seek education but frightening readign some of your auld wifies tales.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sexual = something related to the sex act

Transmitted = passed on to another person via close contact

Disease = an infection or virus caused by contact with an infected person.

any resultant disease passed on via sex is therefore classed as an STD or as is more commonly called these days and STI (infection)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."

Tell you what mate, you've already done the reasearch. Give us the names of websites (but not the links, the mods here don't like links to random websites) that we can go to and see that you are right.

Or the research you've read. You must have the names of papers and books that you read?

Over to you mate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

oral thrush can b contracted during sex......but its not and std....u dnt have have sex 2 get it....babies get oral thrush 4 god sake.....and im not ill informed.....ive made many valled points...and i have been 2 3 gum clinics....preston birmingham which is a v v gd one and a brook center.....i sufferd with anxiety big time....and its beacause of ill informed people telling me stuff like you ccan get an std from kissing.......its just not true....nun have u have aknowledged any of my points....while when uve made one ive gave you an anser......so tell me y dnt virgins get std's.....why dnt young kids get std's....why do the nhs not warn people bout kising as a risk factor with std's.....if you went your gum clinic an said i want testing cuz i been kissing loads of people.....they would get pissed off cause you would be wasting time and money....beacause it doesnt happen......tell me why r std's called std's and not genneral infection if they can b passed on by kissing....if they could passed on by kissing then what if sum1 who has chlymidia sneeses by u.....its just absolutly ridiculas...calling me ill informed u lot need 2 get a grip

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds....

Tell you what mate, you've already done the reasearch. Give us the names of websites (but not the links, the mods here don't like links to random websites) that we can go to and see that you are right.

Or the research you've read. You must have the names of papers and books that you read?

Over to you mate!"

when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I said it could be contracted several ways in my very first response to you. But the fact that it can be passed on and caught DURING a sex act or a sexual kiss makes it a transferable sexual disease.

However athletes fanny is and always will be an urban myth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him...."

Birmingham sexual health website:-

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MYTH: You can not catch an STI through oral sex

FACT: Wrong. Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, syphilis and HIV can each spread through oral sex.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!! "

ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt....y dnt the risks of kissing get more publicity if it is such a risky business apparently....you havent made any....and oral thrush is not a std....you can get it during sex but u can also just get it from being ill......thats y its not a std.....wer as ghonnaria is a std cuz u can only get it from sex.....so basiclyy u just agreed with me

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By *ee2playWoman
over a year ago

canterbury

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him....

Birmingham sexual health website:-

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MYTH: You can not catch an STI through oral sex

FACT: Wrong. Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, syphilis and HIV can each spread through oral sex."

what r u onabout....i said u could get it through oral sex but the risk in significantly reduced......i said u carnt get it from kissing

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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Do you never kiss anyone after oral sex?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!!

ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt....y dnt the risks of kissing get more publicity if it is such a risky business apparently....you havent made any....and oral thrush is not a std....you can get it during sex but u can also just get it from being ill......thats y its not a std.....wer as ghonnaria is a std cuz u can only get it from sex.....so basiclyy u just agreed with me"

look mate i would never agree with you wat so ever!! and i think if you read my posts carefully i aint agreed with u at all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"jesus, what is this guy on??????

how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh

do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."

Nope we aint all lost our minds we just know the facts

One of my best mates is also my GUM doctor and believe you me you are sooooo wrong mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"tell you what, for a 22 yr old lad, your very ill informed, considering yur supposed to hav gone to 2 gum clinics and your look brook advisary clinic!!! and you hav made no valid points at all, you seem blatently to be ignoring all of what ppl are saying, even thos that hav suffered from sti's, myself included and yes i had throat swabs taken!!! as well as he usual internal ones and blood tests!!

ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt....y dnt the risks of kissing get more publicity if it is such a risky business apparently....you havent made any....and oral thrush is not a std....you can get it during sex but u can also just get it from being ill......thats y its not a std.....wer as ghonnaria is a std cuz u can only get it from sex.....so basiclyy u just agreed with me"

Birmingham sexual health website again:-

Gonorrhoea passed on by:-

Having unprotected vaginal, oral or anal sex with someone who has gonorrhoea

Rimming (where someone uses their tongue on or around someone’s anus)

Sharing sex toys

Inserting fingers into an infected area then touching their own vagina, anus or mouth without washing hands in between

From mother to baby at birth

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"ye throat swabs cuz of oral sex......not kissing....im very well informed....ive made loads of valid points..re read the thread nobody has gave me any response 2 any of my points...about y virgins dnt get std's.....y kids dnt...."

Because they are less likely to kiss people who have indulged in oral sex, you tedious person.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you never kiss anyone after oral sex? "

i just dont think he gets it one bit to be honest!!!! he blinded by his one sided argument

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By *ee2playWoman
over a year ago

canterbury


"the is a theoretical risk of passing std's by oral sex, but it is soooooooooo unlikley that most experts class oral sex as safe sex....."

I have to step out here and say I too was obviously just 'one of the unlucky' ones when I contracted genital herpes after being given oral sex by a female friend of mine who had a coldsore. She had been told it wasn't a coldsore, I stupidly believed it at the time and a couple of weeks later it came out on me down there Felt devastated at the time!

However, maybe i'm just lying or misinformed by my GUM clinic too......

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Do you never kiss anyone after oral sex?

i just dont think he gets it one bit to be honest!!!! he blinded by his one sided argument"

I am just aghast at not only his bad science, but his complete lack of empathy for people who have obviously contracted something he insists is mythical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me

1) why dont virgins get std's

2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's

3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing

4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing

5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex.....

as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside

This thread is brilliant - for all the wrong reasons I might add!!

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me

1) why dont virgins get std's

2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's

3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing

4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing

5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex.....

as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated"

I'd imagine virgins and children don't get STI's because they're not SEXUALLY active!!

Christ on a bike... are you for real?!

They're also called STI's... sexually transmitted infections, a broader spectrum no doubt to incorporate the various infections and the ways you can catch them. You do realise that oral sex means with your mouth don't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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what r u onabout....i said u could get it through oral sex but the risk in significantly reduced......i said u carnt get it from kissing"

And from that medhelp website:-

HSV-2 causes most of the genital herpes cases. HSV-2 can be spread through secretions from the mouth or genitals.

Herpes simplex virus (HSV) is spread from one person to another by skin-to-skin contact. The virus is shed from visible sores, blisters, or a rash during outbreaks, but can also be shed from the affected area between outbreaks of symptoms.

HSV is transmitted to the area of skin with which it comes into contact. There are also some cases by which other types of contact can spread HSV. For example, a variant of herpes, known as herpes gladiatorum, can be passed on during body contact sports, such as wrestling.

Because the virus is transmitted through secretions from the mouth or genital tissue (mucosa), common sites of infection in men include:

Anus

Inner thighs

Scrotum

Shaft and head of the penis

Common sites of infection in women include:

Anus

Cervix

Inner thighs

Labia

Vagina

The mouth can also be a site of infection in both sexes.

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That last line is kinda damming, don'tcha think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

when i went gum i asked them so many question they wer getting pissed off with me......medhelp dr hunter handsfild and dr hook 2 world renowned sexual health blokes.....birmingham sexual health website.....a ton of book and other internet reasearch....which mostly is a load of shit.....embarrasing bodies website....loads and loads......med help is the best dr hunter handsfield....go on 2 his thread and put in kissing.....dnt go on the public forums cuz there filled with crap like u can get std's by kising.....just go on the dr's one....google him....

Birmingham sexual health website:-

"

MYTH: You can not catch an STI through oral sex

FACT: Wrong. Chlamydia, gonorrhoea, herpes, syphilis and HIV can each spread through oral sex.

what r u onabout....i said u could get it through oral sex but the risk in significantly reduced......i said u carnt get it from kissing"

Fact...you can catch Hepatitis B trough any form of swapping Bodily Fluids Kissing Oral sex

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"You do realise that oral sex means with your mouth don't you? "

He thought it was with his ears!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me

1) why dont virgins get std's

2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's

3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing

4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing

5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex.....

as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated"

how do you no that none of the above mentioned hav contracted and sti?? jsut because it has not been on national news or advertised in ur local paper does not mean that it has not happened, i no when i lived in doncaster in early 2000, i had heasrd of a 13 yr old girl who had contacted gonarriea in her throat, as for it being tru, i hav no idea, but it could hav been, dont mean to say there are not other cases throughout britain or other countries

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me

1) why dont virgins get std's

2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's

3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing

4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing

5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex.....

as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated"

You aint just wrong mate you are very wrong and i find it quite disturbing that you are on a swingers site with very little knowledge of the risks from your hobby

As i said earlier my friend is also my GUM doctor and i question the fact that you state you have check ups and ask questions

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By *hundercats69Couple
over a year ago

CT14


"ok im worng......but instead of people just telling me im wrong......can you please tell me

1) why dont virgins get std's

2)why dnt 10-11-12 year olds get std's

3) why dont they tell people the risks of kissing

4) why does the nhs website state there is not risk of std's from kissing

5)why r std's called std's if you clearly can get them even if you dont have sex.....

as you lot all no so much im sure ill b inundated with info on the sexual dangers of kissing......crnt belive iv been putting myself at so much risk over the years by kissing. thanx appriciated"

Ok....

1: they would if they were unfortunate enough to kiss someone who was infected with chlamydia, gonhorrea, etc in their throats

2: Most 10-11-12 year olds also wouldn't have been in contact with those old enough to have had sex, oral or intercourse or been kissing those that may have one of the affore mentioned infections. However, i'm sure if you broke down the statistics there are probably some unfortunate children somewhere in the country/world that age who have contracted an STI

3: I think the risks of kissing are mentioned when you look at individual ways of contracting each STI

4: Ask them?! but also as mentioned in point 3, look at each STI individually and see what it says

5: Because full on kissing is likely to be regarded in a sexual nature because it can lead to a more physical event and/or give the feeling of pleasure associated with sexual feeling and the act itself. Therefore its given an umbrella group and abbreviation as generally these infections are contracted by some kind of sexual act, from kissing through to penetration.

Maybe you should be a bit more selective about who you kiss and keep your fingers crossed that you're never unlucky enough to god forbid, come accross someone who has an infection in their throat....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why.......hsv ye from blow jobs which is oral sex......but not kissing...the saw you get from kissing are same virus different strain.......and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....thats my point.....it doesnt make a difference if u r sexually active or not a kiss is a kiss.....so if a sexully active person cuz get a std from kissing then so cuz a virgin or a kid.......so people come with with the facts.....let me know y im wrong i really want 2 know......lets not get personal its a disscusion.....from my reasearch....and i did a lot....and from the drs and nurses and nhs direct and all that jazz i am under the impression kising is safe in terms of std's i stand by that untill sum one gives me an anser i crnt argue with

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why...."

We are!!!!


"and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active...."

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

okay... when two people love each other very much they lie close to each other naked...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses."

Ive been here a long time and nothing, but nothing has ever made me screech with laughter as much as that....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


" i stand by that untill sum one gives me an anser i crnt argue with"

I honestly feel that that would NOT be possible

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

This is giving the dirty arse thread a run for its money!!

I'm out before it starts to get any more ridiculous!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.

Ive been here a long time and nothing, but nothing has ever made me screech with laughter as much as that...."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses."
you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear...

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

Pops in ...

Chuckles...

Pops out..

Full body medi wipe just incase...

Good luck

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear..."

If you really have read all the NHS webpages on this you would realise they don't call them STDs anymore they are always referred to as STIs!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This thread would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear...

If you really have read all the NHS webpages on this you would realise they don't call them STDs anymore they are always referred to as STIs! "

the thread called std's and i didnt start it.....also thats a bit petty ent it really we all not what the topic is

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear..."

Actually, and if you were a parent, you might know this, but there was an ad campaign a couple of years ago directed towards kids about this sort of thing.

Listen, you obviously know more thna the rest of us put together, yes, even the people who have it, even though you say they cannot possibly have contracted it. But you can at least admit that you will kiss someone after oral sex can't you? If so, why can't that disease then be spread by kissing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Look std's can be caught by kissing if the person you are kissing has an std. The majority of people who kiss, or have sex are not infected with anything. Thats why it does not exist in the majority of the population kissing and having sex. Its an unfortunate fact that the more people you have sexual contact with the more likely you are to catch something.

If disease is present then it can be spread through intercourse (having sex) or through kissing. But in order to be infected an infection has to be there between either or both of the people getting intimate.

Virgins can and do get sexually transmitted diseases in their mouths and throats, through kissing and oral sex. They are virgins only by the fact they have not had full sexual intercourse.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"people instead of just telling my im wrong tell me why....

We are!!!!

and welsh ye i know kids ent sexually activ and i know virgins ent sexuall active....

Dunno about you, but I don't give my daughter long, slow french kisses.you havent.....at the end of the day if stds cud b spread by kissing it would be more widespred amongst kids.....beacause a 16 yr old will have sex kiss a 15 yearold the 15 yer old will kiss 1 14 then a 13 then a 12 then 11......so it would spread......virgins would have it......and last but not least they wouldnt be called std's if you could get them from kissing......they would just b a general infection......look i dnt wanna cause i big row.....but every1 just think about it....kissing you get coldsaws....you get gladular fever....u dnt get ghonnaria from kissing u just dnt.....i swear...

If you really have read all the NHS webpages on this you would realise they don't call them STDs anymore they are always referred to as STIs!

the thread called std's and i didnt start it.....also thats a bit petty ent it really we all not what the topic is"

I was going to go into why they refer to them as STIs now instead of STDs but no matter what anyone says you would disagree with it so I didn't bother!

Petty, maybe, but still a valid point!

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"its not worth arguing with him.............. he's a man of course he is gonnna be right..........

NOT

Aaaah, mansplaining. I forgot!"

Shhhhhhhh last time i used that word i got accused of not loving my kids!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This thread would be amusing if it wasn't so tragic. "

Aye agreed im outta here as well some people just wont listen xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not to mention the websites referenced above mention that STI's are spread by bodily fluids. Like saliva.

Only STI they specifically point out that you can't catch by kissing is HIV - unless you have broken skin in you mouth. Might have been both or just the carrier, not sure as I don't have the link up anymore.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"its not worth arguing with him.............. he's a man of course he is gonnna be right..........

NOT

Aaaah, mansplaining. I forgot!

Shhhhhhhh last time i used that word i got accused of not loving my kids! "

My daughter knows I love her, and she loves my wallet back in equal measure!

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing"

So you're not going to answer my question? Hmmmm, that says plenty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

So you're not going to answer my question? Hmmmm, that says plenty. "

i just said kissing after oral sex doesnt make a difference there would b anoth of the infection in the mouth 2 spread it......u might catch it from the oral sex......but not the kissing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing"

But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience

As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience

As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong"

m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3

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over a year ago

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over a year ago


"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

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some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

So you're not going to answer my question? Hmmmm, that says plenty.

i just said kissing after oral sex doesnt make a difference there would b anoth of the infection in the mouth 2 spread it......u might catch it from the oral sex......but not the kissing"

Thats not what I asked. I asked if you kiss people after oral sex. If so, how do you think the OP caught a STI in her mouth? Kissing passes STIs.

PS You might want to look up 'straw man argument' and 'derailing for dummies' next time you use Wikipedia for your arguments. Just saying.

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


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ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3"

Is it only when it gets to risk 1 or 2 that it spreads then?

Sorry, couldn't resist!

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over a year ago


"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man. "

If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life.

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over a year ago

regarding hsv.......hsv 1 is what u get from kising not hsv 2 which is the std.....and hep b is not std but u can get it from sex but u can also get it other ways

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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience

As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong

m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3"

Absolutely incredible xx

Oh and you have just said kissing IS a risk or did you mistype? Cause ya just spent the last hour or so denying kissing is a risk

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience

As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong

m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3

Absolutely incredible xx

Oh and you have just said kissing IS a risk or did you mistype? Cause ya just spent the last hour or so denying kissing is a risk "

I think risk 3 is actually meant to mean "risk free"

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over a year ago

Ok two mins on google and i found at least 10 sites proving you wrong

Heres one link

http://www.articledoctor.com/diseases-stds/can-you-get-an-std-from-kissing-1038

OBTW DONT call me a liar cause i aint my mate really is my GUM doctor and if ya wants proof then mail me ok

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"you know what people are saying im gonin on and i wont lisen 2 any1.....but no1s given me a good anser.....u keep saying thing like oral thrush or hsv.....and i anser and explain why it ent kissing that spreads it.....oral sex ye......but not kissing.....there wudnt be enough of the virus in the mouth...it would be able 2 compete with the other bacteria in the syliva....you need millions and millions of particles.....kising after oral sex wudnt make a difference....look you ent gonna lsen 2 me i ent gonna lisen 2 u......lets just agree 2 disagree its getting boring now.....look im gonna sound arrogant but i know im right.....next time ur at ur gum ask.....its not logical its. not possible. its not true......kissing is std safe thats a fact google it now.....and any repitable website will tell u its safe.....not shity mikey mouse websites......birmingham sexual health....medhelp (dr thread not public) look at the harly street surgerys website.....nhs....anything there is no risk 4 std's from kissing

But you ain't right that's the whole point your facts are wrong i aint gonna go into detail cause i don't have the time or patience

As Ive said before my friend is also my GUM doctor and we have had many long conversations on STIs and believe you me you are wrong in what you are saying and cant believe that you are still going on about it when you are so obviously wrong

m8 all due respect i could sit here and say my dads a sexual health dr....doesnt mean its true.....andif ur m8 is 1 then u would know kissing is risk 3

Absolutely incredible xx

Oh and you have just said kissing IS a risk or did you mistype? Cause ya just spent the last hour or so denying kissing is a risk "

i obviously mistyped....

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over a year ago


"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever"

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

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"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man.

If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life."

I know exactly where i got it from . My stepfather had a sore on his cheek which was a symptom of the leukeamia he had. I believe it was from a towel or maybe a passing kiss tho not on that side of his face. I was 17 and had never had one before. . Just something that happens maybe once or twice a year since in a stress situation.

no one has mentioned the fact you can get gonorrhea in the eye yet . thats a nasty one ...

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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me."

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes

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"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man.

If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life.

I know exactly where i got it from . My stepfather had a sore on his cheek which was a symptom of the leukeamia he had. I believe it was from a towel or maybe a passing kiss tho not on that side of his face. I was 17 and had never had one before. . Just something that happens maybe once or twice a year since in a stress situation.

no one has mentioned the fact you can get gonorrhea in the eye yet . thats a nasty one ..."

yes conjunctivitis is a symptom of chlymidia and ghonneria....i had it once horrible...turned out it was a sti thoe

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes "

So there is a 0.02% risk of it happening, hmmmm still a risk then!

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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Still not answering my question I see.

By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you.

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over a year ago


"Does this mean because I get an occaisional cold sore in the corner of my mouth .( I have never kisssed or performed oral sex when I have one ) that I am contagious even when clear. Dont think so. The only time they come up is when im run down and low immune system. I dont have genital herpies. and it wasnt sexually transmitted. Had someone run a mile yesterday cos I said I had one. silly man.

If its at the blister stage and open sore thats when it can be passed on. As I said in an earlier post you probably got it from kissing innocently as a child as they tend to occur in families and not through sex, but as you have one now it can spread to the genitals through oral sex if you have a flare up. I can understand anyones reaction towards fear of catching genital herpes or even a cold sore as they are for life.

I know exactly where i got it from . My stepfather had a sore on his cheek which was a symptom of the leukeamia he had. I believe it was from a towel or maybe a passing kiss tho not on that side of his face. I was 17 and had never had one before. . Just something that happens maybe once or twice a year since in a stress situation.

no one has mentioned the fact you can get gonorrhea in the eye yet . thats a nasty one ..."

yes conjunctivitis is a symptom of chlymidia and ghonneria....i had it once horrible...turned out it was NOT! lol a sti thoe

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I get conjunctivitis cause my contact lens is dirty not my cock...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Before I pop off to bed I thought I would add my bit..

I had an sti.. Loved it.. 0-60 in 3.8secs... oh and btw subaru owners are the only ones proud to admit in the pub that they have STI's

Off back out now but highly amusing for all the wrong reasons.

Cali x

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over a year ago


"Still not answering my question I see.

By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you."

i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up

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over a year ago


"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes

So there is a 0.02% risk of it happening, hmmmm still a risk then! "

like i say 2 cover there arrse....they dnt say 100% cuz the reasearch would cost millions and it wud b a waste of money

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Still not answering my question I see.

By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you.

i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up"

You have obviously forgotten my question. I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex.

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over a year ago

Think perhaps we should get back to the OP's original questions.

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over a year ago

dr hunter handsfield.....google him....washington university.....he is the top dog in sexual health.....the only type of sti transmitted by kising is the oral type of herpes, A.K.A clodsaw, which isnt a sti.....google him dr h hunter handsfield.....university of washington.....just won a award 4 outstanding reasearch into controlling sexual transmitted infections......any1 still sayin im wrong

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By *b430Man
over a year ago

Tayside


"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes

So there is a 0.02% risk of it happening, hmmmm still a risk then!

like i say 2 cover there arrse....they dnt say 100% cuz the reasearch would cost millions and it wud b a waste of money"

I suppose covering their arses is another good way to stop the spread of STIs

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"Still not answering my question I see.

By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you.

i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up

You have obviously forgotten my question. I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex."

r u joking....this is the 3rd time....its doesnt make a difference...u might get it from the oral sex but not the kissing

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

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"Still not answering my question I see.

By the way, you can't get a STI by kissing if neither you or the person you kiss doesn't have one. I think the NHS website is saying that kissing isn't a STI. You can get one by kissing someone who is already infected, as we have been trying to tell you.

i have anserd your question twice...lmao u ent anserd any of mine....no the nhs r sayin u can not catch a sti from kissing....it goes on 2 say how it is a safe way of being intimate...it doesnt matter if sum1 is infected or not its not transferd by kissing......i refer u 2 the nhs again who happen 2 back my argument up

You have obviously forgotten my question. I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex.

r u joking....this is the 3rd time....its doesnt make a difference...u might get it from the oral sex but not the kissing"

Blinkin flip how hard is it to say yes or no? I asked if you kiss someone after oral sex. yes, or no!

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over a year ago


"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes "

Yes you certainly do make mistakes!

The CDC says, and I quote:-

"Gonorrhea is spread through contact with the penis, vagina, mouth, or anus."

and

"The bacterium can also grow in the mouth, throat, eyes, and anus."

They make absolutely no mention about about it being 99.98% not likely to catch it that way. zip, zero, nada!

Tell me where, on the website of the Agency which is one of the leading disease research centres in the world it says what you are saying that they say.

Betcha can't!!

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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes

So there is a 0.02% risk of it happening, hmmmm still a risk then!

like i say 2 cover there arrse....they dnt say 100% cuz the reasearch would cost millions and it wud b a waste of money

I suppose covering their arses is another good way to stop the spread of STIs "

lol....good joke deseves credit even if we do disagree

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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes "

I looked up that website giving advice to young people and you chose selective reporting back. You forgot the next paragraph which says when passion moves on from kissing (and quite rightly says you cant catch an sti from kissing alone) you CAN catch an STI from having oral sex.

This article is aimed at young teens on their FIRST encounter.

I can assure you there are no virgins on this site. You are reading an article that you should have read when you were 16 and applying it to adults who have been around the block.

You need more mature reading not this teen help page from the NHS.

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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes

Yes you certainly do make mistakes!

The CDC says, and I quote:-

"Gonorrhea is spread through contact with the penis, vagina, mouth, or anus."

and

"The bacterium can also grow in the mouth, throat, eyes, and anus."

They make absolutely no mention about about it being 99.98% not likely to catch it that way. zip, zero, nada!

Tell me where, on the website of the Agency which is one of the leading disease research centres in the world it says what you are saying that they say.

Betcha can't!!"

ye mouth through oral sex not kissing.......put cdc kissing sti stats in2 google

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dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS....

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all these experts say yes you can get herpes hsz and other sores from kissing and that the mouth is the dirtiest place on r body....including arse.....but they all say the herpes hsv strain you get from kissing are diferent from the genital ones.....is anybody goin 2 admit i was rite or does every1 disagree with the sources ive provided

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over a year ago


"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS...."

I think youre influenced by what search result comes up from the net - I do not think that any of the people who you're quoting agree with you......

Many learned people can come up with theories - and be completely wrong. Youve read his theories - yet people on this website tell you of their REAL experiences and you dismiss them.

Would it be better if we all added Dr or professor to the end of our names - cos believe me there are plenty of them who write on these forums.

If you think you cant get a sexually transmitted disease from kissing then why worry yourself you have all the answers? Put your mouth anywhere you like you're DEAD safe.

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"The websites you mentioned keep saying that sti's are spread through bodily fluids. What do you think saliva is?

some one give me a link 2 repitable website that says kissing is a std risk.....or web address wotever

google the centre for disease control. The US centre for disease research, you know, the guys i hazmat suits who deal with ebola and other nasty things.

Yeah, seems they think that gonorrheacan breed in your mouth and can be spread by mouth contact. Sounds like kissing to me.

they say that 2 cover there arse.....they also say its 99.98% that u wont.....so 4 all pratical purposes's its risk 3....every1 go 2 the nhs lifestly pages......yes thats rite the NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE.....they say and i quote "YOU CAR'NT GET AN STI FROM KISSING, BUT YOU CAN GET OR PASS A COLD SOR, SO AVOID KISSING IF EITHER OF YOU HAVE ONE" so the national health service agree with me.....eemmmmm iwonder who 2 belive you lot.....or the nhs....tough one....again thhat is nhs lifestyle kissing.....and dnt worry bout guys we all make mistakes

I looked up that website giving advice to young people and you chose selective reporting back. You forgot the next paragraph which says when passion moves on from kissing (and quite rightly says you cant catch an sti from kissing alone) you CAN catch an STI from having oral sex.

This article is aimed at young teens on their FIRST encounter.

I can assure you there are no virgins on this site. You are reading an article that you should have read when you were 16 and applying it to adults who have been around the block.

You need more mature reading not this teen help page from the NHS.

"

please tell me your joking......it says how kissing is risk 3 but how it could lead 2 oral or full sex which isnt.....it doesnt say kissing is risky it says it leads 2 riskier thing......it states kissing is the safest form of intamicy.....just admit it im right.....4 god sake the evidence is there how cuz u posible misinterprate that article....its aimed at teen and u have misinterprited it ....lmao

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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS....

I think youre influenced by what search result comes up from the net - I do not think that any of the people who you're quoting agree with you......

Many learned people can come up with theories - and be completely wrong. Youve read his theories - yet people on this website tell you of their REAL experiences and you dismiss them.

Would it be better if we all added Dr or professor to the end of our names - cos believe me there are plenty of them who write on these forums.

If you think you cant get a sexually transmitted disease from kissing then why worry yourself you have all the answers? Put your mouth anywhere you like you're DEAD safe."

oh my lordy lord you r joking....i havent looked at theories....ive gave sources from experts and the nhs....who dnt do thing by theories....they get there info from years and years and millions of pounds worth of reasearch.....lmao r u 4 real or is this a wind up

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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS...."

First hit is Dr Hook banging on about HIV not being transmitted by kissing. I know that. I've already said that.

Pity about all the other ones that can be spread by kissing - Genital herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea.

Oh and NHS choices seems to agree with me as well:-

NHS choices - Genital Herpes (type 2)

Whenever HSV is present on the surface of your skin it can be passed on to a partner. The virus passes easily through the moist skin that lines your genitals, mouth and anus (the opening where solid waste leaves the body).

NHS choices - gonorrhea

The gonorrhoea bacteria can infect the vagina or penis and other places that come into contact with infected semen or vaginal fluid during sex. It can live inside the cells of the cervix (entrance to the womb), the urethra (tube where urine comes out), the rectum, the throat and, very occasionally, the eyes.

Shall I continue?

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and Ill accept the ban admin x

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please google dr h hunter handsfield.....read about him....what a legend he is in the sti field......the google dr hunter handsfiled a kiss with a sex worker.........wer he explains how even thoe this bloke kissed a prostitute he should " relax, they call the sexually transmitted diseases beacause you have to have sex to get them, and kissing doesnt count, he said go and kiss all the ladies you want.......please google this as you will then see im right kissing is risk 3 and you can save yourself a lot of worry.....also look nback at the thread at the other sources.....nhs....dr hook

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"dr edward hook.....just won the perrin award which is the top award in the world 4 sexual health reasearch.....google......put in kissing sti dr edward hook..........and just have a read about what he has 2 say about and i quote "DEEP FRENCH KISSING" he get quite annoyed with the person asking the question beacause apparently he gets asked it all the time when there is no risk......he goes on to say how even if you had gum disease the chances of gettin a std r beyond that of getting struck by lighting ....yet another expert who agrees with me.....so thats 2 of the best sexual infections experts in the world and the NHS....

First hit is Dr Hook banging on about HIV not being transmitted by kissing. I know that. I've already said that.

Pity about all the other ones that can be spread by kissing - Genital herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea.

Oh and NHS choices seems to agree with me as well:-

NHS choices - Genital Herpes (type 2)

Whenever HSV is present on the surface of your skin it can be passed on to a partner. The virus passes easily through the moist skin that lines your genitals, mouth and anus (the opening where solid waste leaves the body).

NHS choices - gonorrhea

The gonorrhoea bacteria can infect the vagina or penis and other places that come into contact with infected semen or vaginal fluid during sex. It can live inside the cells of the cervix (entrance to the womb), the urethra (tube where urine comes out), the rectum, the throat and, very occasionally, the eyes.

Shall I continue?"

you are totally think hsv 2 is not a sti.....hsv 1 is...there different strains....so your wrong there....also ye it can gonerriha can get in the throat....through oral sex....not kissing....and if u kiss sum1 who has it in the throat u still wont get it.....please read your sources carfully...make sure u know what you onabout ....then call me thick....lmao....

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"

I think youre influenced by what search result comes up from the net - I do not think that any of the people who you're quoting agree with you......

Many learned people can come up with theories - and be completely wrong. Youve read his theories - yet people on this website tell you of their REAL experiences and you dismiss them.

"


"

oh my lordy lord you r joking....i havent looked at theories....ive gave sources from experts and the nhs....who dnt do thing by theories....they get there info from years and years and millions of pounds worth of reasearch.....lmao r u 4 real or is this a wind up"

I'm actually going to have to agree with him on one thing here: anecdotal evidence doesn't count for much. The only evidence that can be used to prove something is evidence gathered under strictly controlled criteria.

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in fact if u read it properly it back my argument up u silly billy.....it says it has 2 cum into contact with sperm or vaginal fluid......so kissing ent mentioned as a risk.....it can get in the throat through oral not kissing......isuggest u go 2 night school or sumthing bab cuz u ent the shapest knife....ha ha cheers 4 helping my argument

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

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well i am so glad i thought about posting in this and thought.... nah... drink some alcohol!!!

JCB for simon by the way... I don't think I have seen a hole dug quite this deep by one person.. is it a record????

norris.....

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I take it you missed my post earlier or chose to ignore it cause it proves you wrong so here it is again

Ok two mins on google and i found at least 10 sites proving you wrong

Heres one link

http://www.articledoctor.com/diseases-stds/can-you-get-an-std-from-kissing-1038

OBTW DONT call me a liar cause i aint my mate really is my GUM doctor and if ya wants proof then mail me ok

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you are totally think hsv 2 is not a sti.....hsv 1 is...there different strains....so your wrong there....also ye it can gonerriha can get in the throat....through oral sex....not kissing....and if u kiss sum1 who has it in the throat u still wont get it.....please read your sources carfully...make sure u know what you onabout ....then call me thick....lmao...."

NHS fucking Choices website:-

Genital herpes is caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 1 or type 2.

I think you might want to go back and check your facts. You are being a bit "think" yourself.

CDC/NHS and Captain Hook:-

HSV-1 - oral herpes

HSV-2 - genital herpes

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"in fact if u read it properly it back my argument up u silly billy.....it says it has 2 cum into contact with sperm or vaginal fluid......so kissing ent mentioned as a risk.....it can get in the throat through oral not kissing......isuggest u go 2 night school or sumthing bab cuz u ent the shapest knife....ha ha cheers 4 helping my argument"

Of course trying to get personal "really" helps your argument.

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i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's

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"in fact if u read it properly it back my argument up u silly billy.....it says it has 2 cum into contact with sperm or vaginal fluid......so kissing ent mentioned as a risk.....it can get in the throat through oral not kissing......isuggest u go 2 night school or sumthing bab cuz u ent the shapest knife....ha ha cheers 4 helping my argument

Of course trying to get personal "really" helps your argument. "

m8 if u read up she says im as thick as a sack of shit b4 i say anything personal

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you are totally think hsv 2 is not a sti.....hsv 1 is...there different strains....so your wrong there....also ye it can gonerriha can get in the throat....through oral sex....not kissing....and if u kiss sum1 who has it in the throat u still wont get it.....please read your sources carfully...make sure u know what you onabout ....then call me thick....lmao....

NHS fucking Choices website:-

Genital herpes is caused by the herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 1 or type 2.

I think you might want to go back and check your facts. You are being a bit "think" yourself.

CDC/NHS and Captain Hook:-

HSV-1 - oral herpes

HSV-2 - genital herpes

"

i gpt em the wrong way round whoppi doo stil proves my point about theres 2 different strains

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m8 if u read up she says im as thick as a sack of shit b4 i say anything personal"

So if you are really trying to get your message across, why stoop to her level? Take the high moral ground.

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i gpt em the wrong way round whoppi doo stil proves my point about theres 2 different strains"

I never there wasn't two strains.

And if you've made mistakes that are easily checked about HSV1/2 then how do we know you haven't made mistakes elsewhere?

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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's"

Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration

I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh

Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday

I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are

Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it

Take care

Craig xx

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"I take it you missed my post earlier or chose to ignore it cause it proves you wrong so here it is again

Ok two mins on google and i found at least 10 sites proving you wrong

Heres one link

http://www.articledoctor.com/diseases-stds/can-you-get-an-std-from-kissing-1038

OBTW DONT call me a liar cause i aint my mate really is my GUM doctor and if ya wants proof then mail me ok"

soapy i take it u didnt read that article properly, cuz it clearly states how the only risk is herpes and we have already discoverd thats 2 different strains.....so if u do actually read that article it tells u how kissing is risk 3 but kising the genital area (a.k.a) oral sex is not so cheers 4 helping me out m8

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over a year ago

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Guess what? It's Thursday!

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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's

Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration

I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh

Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday

I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are

Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it

Take care

Craig xx"

i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject.....

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"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's

Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration

I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh

Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday

I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are

Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it

Take care

Craig xx

i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject....."

I never said i agreed with you

I still don't

I just realise why you are so passionate about it

Knowledge and experience? ok

I started swinging when i was 17 it happened through my bi side that's nearly thirty years ago now

You are 22 mate so Ive been swinging for 8 years longer than you have lived that's my experience

My knowledge stems from the fact that i know most aspects of my hobby very well plus as i said one of my friends is my GUM doctor if you choose not to believe this then fine i don't really care and i don't justify myself to anyone never have never will

Im bi sexual and i prefer bare back sex not many admit to that but i do cause ta be truthful i don't care what others think about it or judge me

However as ya might have gathered i take an interest in my sexual health and always have

I have been going to GUM clinics before you were born and know an awful lot about sexual health as like i said its important to me (oh and i have NEVER had an sti in my life btw )

I will finish by saying you have a right to believe what you want to believe i just find it strange that you argue on things that are not factual

I agree there is very little risk of stis being transmitted through kissing but it has and does happen

That's my last word on it

Take care

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By *uby In StockingsTV/TS
over a year ago

Cheadle

Simon you've not discussed the second most common sti, which is the HPV (human papillomavirus), or wart virus, as this is passed from skin to skin, you can actually contract the virus by kissing someone who already has it, the only reql safe sex is no sex, but that' just not an option for many of us, so the answer is, regular check ups at your local gum clinic and above all, never be afraid to say no!!!!, hugz, x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's

Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration

I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh

Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday

I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are

Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it

Take care

Craig xx

i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject.....

I never said i agreed with you

I still don't

I just realise why you are so passionate about it

Knowledge and experience? ok

I started swinging when i was 17 it happened through my bi side that's nearly thirty years ago now

You are 22 mate so Ive been swinging for 8 years longer than you have lived that's my experience

My knowledge stems from the fact that i know most aspects of my hobby very well plus as i said one of my friends is my GUM doctor if you choose not to believe this then fine i don't really care and i don't justify myself to anyone never have never will

Im bi sexual and i prefer bare back sex not many admit to that but i do cause ta be truthful i don't care what others think about it or judge me

However as ya might have gathered i take an interest in my sexual health and always have

I have been going to GUM clinics before you were born and know an awful lot about sexual health as like i said its important to me (oh and i have NEVER had an sti in my life btw )

I will finish by saying you have a right to believe what you want to believe i just find it strange that you argue on things that are not factual

I agree there is very little risk of stis being transmitted through kissing but it has and does happen

That's my last word on it

Take care "

so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs.....and r u standing by the evidence u provided which said herpes which we already knew has 2 different strains.....ok no probs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good post. I'm glad that it has been highlighted that we all need to take responsibility for our sexual health and stop demonising individuals for what is a high risk lifestyle.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs.....and r u standing by the evidence u provided which said herpes which we already knew has 2 different strains.....ok no probs"

Are you even replying to the right person at this point?

But anyway. All the sites you told us about; The NHS, those 2 doctors etc. when read carefully and in detail - your proofs of your argument pretty much said the opposite of what you are saying at best and at the worst didn't say half of what you are saying.

And I'm really not getting where you are going with the Herpes thing. As you have said there are two sorts, I've said there are two sorts, the NHS say there is two sorts, the CDC say there is two sorts and I'm sure your two uber-doctors will say there are two sorts as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think this young man needs to give up the reading on websites as he is misinterpreting what is being said.

When someone is tested positive for an STI, it is impossible to pinpoint the exact route that little green bug entered another persons body. It is not uncommon for people during a sexual encounter to indulge in kissing, oral sex and penetrative sex. The bug could have entered in several ways.

Bugs prefer the warm cosiness of seminal or vaginal fluid (don't we all). The mouth area is a lower risk because saliva is acidic and they're not as keen on that - key word here is lower but not impossible. Of course some bugs are transported from their warm and comfy beds in semen or vaginal fluid straight into the acidic saliva of the mouth, hence why infection is found in those areas.

The above is not an exhaustive list of how bugs can be transported from person to person.

Oh and as a footnote bugs don't really look like small green spiky haired round objects with glaring eyes and sharp teeth

Its good to seek education but unsafe if you don't fully understand. Speak to the GUM clinic, they won't get pissed off at you, it takes more of their time treating you for a gonnhoreal throat infection than a brief and simplistic explanation.

And the NHS also don't print statistics to cover their arses. The results mean that microbiologists have carried out indepth testing and have concluded those results. By stating a figure of 99% this means that the majority of tests ended up with this result, the 1% means they received results which were different from the majority.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"i know it's sad that ive been on here this long. but i really suffered with anxity.....4 about 4 months about hiv and other stuff.....i was told loads of stuff about how hiv takes six months 2 show.....and other bollocks.....but then i was obssessed i read about it everyday i got checked 4 everything 4 times, i asked so maney stupid questions......like fingering risk.....and kissing.....i started reasearching after a couple of months i started 2 know the good sources from the bad.....i started 2 properly learn.....i phoned nhs direct nearly everyday....i went my dr's i went 2 a councerlor.....i was convinced i had HIV.....but i never it was all anxiety....it was horrible.....and thats y i was so passionate about this....cuz it will effect peoples lives by making them worry when they dont need 2.....i got told hiv testing was 6 months....which it was 5 years ago....now with the 4th gen duo test its 99% at 5 weeks....the standar 3rd gen antibody test is 6-8 weeks.....i got tested out 2 12 weeks cuz i was so nervous but my gum dr said the 12 week test was unessersary.....it ruined my hole life for 4 months.....so i know kissing ent a risk....oral sex is a tiny risk as well...stil a risk but very small....but kissing is risk 3, i know 4 a fact i asked 4 dr's my gp....gum in birmingham gum in preston and a brook clinic.... i asked nhs direct....i asked every1 kissing fingering....all non risk....u can get hsv but the genital strain is different....u can get other things from kissing but not STD'S....you have 2 have either sex or oral sex to get a sexual transmited disease.....not by kissing....i promise....i wudnt go on 4 so long if i didnt know 4 a fact.....i dnt just go round cousing row's...specially on here....i know im a easy target....im new i dnt no no1 and im a young single male....we have 2 giv impecable impressions 2 get anything on here...so i promise i know 4 a fact.....thats why people who are not sexually active do not get std's

Ok if ya had said that before i would have understood your fears and taken them into consideration

I understand more now and im sorry i was so harsh

Mate life is a gamble and we are all at risk everyday

I would however question the fact that you are on a swinging site with anxiety about stis as obviously as important to you as they are

Good luck with it and i for one apologise i just thought you were being the "Im right and fuck you" but now i understand why you are so passionate about it

Take care

Craig xx

i did say it earlier.....also beacause of the knowledge i got from that experince im much more relaxed about std's.....but honest m8 if u read this thread i didnt say anything personal 2 any1....i just dissagreed and people didnt like it.....ive sourced info from reliable sources.....and ive picked holes in other people sources.....the evidence agrees with me but nobody is prepared 2 admit it.....cuz they havent got the knowledge igot on the subject....."

I have to apologise too, I did not see this post and the response.

I agree with Soapy that if you suffer from this degree of paranoia then swinging is not the best place for you. When I suggested you speak to nursing staff for information, I did not realise that you had been ringing NHS direct lines and going to GPs convinced you were suffering from infection.

I am not a mental health nurse and I do not have knowledge on anxiety disorders. It is clear from your honest response about your obsession with medical websites, telephone calls to medical professionals and the amount of posts on this thread that you have issues in relation to the spread of infection, which may or may not be a healthy passion for knowledge

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow....light reading for a thursday morning. What is risk 3?? If your were convinced you had HIV and were calling a clinic daily how on earth did you end up on a swinging site?? My wee brain is soooo confused with this thread. Shall we all kiss?? xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We all know sex with others is high risk and thats the risk you take here swinging not knowing what people you meet what thay have been up too and with who ....... if you cant handle that its not for you swinging .... for peace of mind its getting your self looked at bit like a Body MOT x better to safe then sorry and think it could never be me . Its good people are so open and put posts into forum like this one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs....."

Yet earlier you told someone "well your nurse is wrong"

Must be difficult not knowing who to trust!

I think the message we all need to take from this is to look after ourselves & be regularly tested.

& always seek advice & answers from medical PROFESSIONALS & not to self diagnose.

If in any doubt get yourself to a GUM clinic....they're not that bad. They are there for a reason, so use them!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

That is exactly what I was trying to get at really by starting this post!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is exactly what I was trying to get at really by starting this post!!"
i hope you have opend some peoples eyes and thay now go for there MOT you need as i say a pat on the back as cant have been easy being so open telling people . Most would cover it up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That is exactly what I was trying to get at really by starting this post!! i hope you have opend some peoples eyes and thay now go for there MOT you need as i say a pat on the back as cant have been easy being so open telling people . Most would cover it up."

+1

Yeah hats off to you for being so honest. It's a good reminder...shame the thread got hijacked somewhat!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I don't see the point in not being open and honest. I think I have been desperately unlucky to get this but it has thrown me for a complete loop. I would not undo all my swinging experiences but am now too wary to continue....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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m8 if u read up she says im as thick as a sack of shit b4 i say anything personal

So if you are really trying to get your message across, why stoop to her level? Take the high moral ground."

I said bucket of shite. If you're going to quote me get it right.

Said in exasperation after watching dozens of people giving anecdotes, advice, counter quotes, concern and not one of their responses being acknowledged by this guy but being denied and supported by internet pages being misinterpreted and taken as gospel.

Whatever level you have pigeon-holed me into I think the only label I accept is stupidity for trying to reason with someone who was not in the state of mind to take anything onboard. If you see my level as being concerned well that will be a miracle because its easier to condemn from one tiny sketch in a great big picture. Its the first time I have ever sworn at anyone on this forum.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry for the way I worded that. I was trying to get through to him that if he starts slinging shite back at people (quite rightly) pissed off at him it actually hurts his arguments.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Excellent - a pm from him saying none of this really matters and an apology. Of course the usual story insults in public and apologies in private.

I hope all of you that got called liars got your apology too... ah well another day another.... whatever

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By *quamarina1964Woman
over a year ago

Bideford


"No, that's precisely what the nurse said, when they say kissing, they do not mean deep kissing, they mean just a peck on the lips..."

You can not catch most of the nasty std's by just a peck on the lips, but you can catch herpes from just that. All the other major ones has to be over a period of time and amont os sperm in the mouth befor you actually catch owt from oral sex. I know this because a job i once had i had to go on a course about drugs and sex, so believe me your fairly safe from a peck on the lips other than herpes of course

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"jesus, what is this guy on??????

how dare he say the OP is lying?? think he seriously needs to get a grip or be banned from this thread sheesh

do you seriusly belive you can catch std's by kissing....virgins would have std's...11 year old would have std's.....if you could the would be called std's...they would just be called infections.....there called std's cuz u get them by having sex....the flu isnt an std beacause you can get it without having sex....but ghoneria is called an std cuz u have 2 have sex 2 get it.....kissing is a std safe zone...absolute fact....if you could catch std's by kissing then the nhs would have posters round school and that saying dont kiss....its just unbelivable that ur even suggesting im wrong.....have u all lost your minds...."

so your saying that if a person with hiv or aids that has bleeding gums kisses someone who also has an open wound of some type in their mouths, they would never ever catch anything?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The reason Buccal tablets are placed under the tongue during a heart attack, angina sprays are applied orally suppositories et al are put into the rectum are for one reason and one reason only the mucus membranes in these areas contain tiny bloodvessels that are so thin the drugs can be absorbed faster and more efficiently via that route. And thats exactly how certain std viruses are passed on. They need a route and our genitals an mouth and anus are the perfect environment for spreading diseases.

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By *emima_puddlefuckCouple
over a year ago

hexham


"so are you just disragarding the evidence i put up the so clearly backed my case.....the stuff from world leading experts and the nhs.....

Yet earlier you told someone "well your nurse is wrong"

Must be difficult not knowing who to trust!

I think the message we all need to take from this is to look after ourselves & be regularly tested.

& always seek advice & answers from medical PROFESSIONALS & not to self diagnose.

If in any doubt get yourself to a GUM clinic....they're not that bad. They are there for a reason, so use them!

"

+100000000

That is what matters!

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter


"I don't see the point in not being open and honest. I think I have been desperately unlucky to get this but it has thrown me for a complete loop. I would not undo all my swinging experiences but am now too wary to continue...."

The question is .. do you know who gave it to you... this is the trouble you cant see it..hope he gets treated too . will this put you off kissing people in future ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

WOW this one is a great read

Look, To everyone who is telling this guy he is wrong ... He knows he is wrong but has gone way too far with his argument!

The whole forum is against what he says so its hard to come back now and admit his info is a load of crap hahaha

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it just me,or do other people find that its hard to take somone seriously in an argument when they type in text speak to get their points across!

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By *eighleedsMan
over a year ago

leeds

Personally i think this thread demonstrates that it is a must that proper sex and sexual health education should be on the curriculum for all high school age pupils.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I Think what the OP is trying to say is how Folks react and can protect themselves against STD.Me Personally read profile carefully look at pics if pic on profile where they Playing with out Condom don't go there.Regular check ups in my case every 3 month(better safe then sorry)And not just have a check up for the "Normal" STD but the uncommon once aswell Like Hepatitis B Witch is on the rise in this Country.But even doing all that Guarantees you nothing.This is my Personal Opinion of course

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I suspect I caught this from giving a blow job not from kissing, but I may well have passed it on from kissing.

And I will probably never know who gave it to me. I have let the people I have seen in the past few months know and they are getting checked out. That's the most I can do.

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By *innamon!Woman
over a year ago

no matter

Thanks for a great thread love the banter and appreciate the openness. hope all is well now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im not paranoid....i used 2 be....but then i spoke 2 gum clinics and that and now im not....cuz i know the risks......if you go 2 gum clinic and say ive had sex with a stranger...they will recomend screening......if you say i had oral sex with a stranger....then sum not all dr's will recomend creening......if you said ive kissed 100 strangers they will not recomed screening.....beacause the risk is like o.0001 percent....so 4 all pratical purposes its risk free.....theres a risk you will get struck by lightning.....thees a risk you might get shot by sum1 on the way 2 work.....but its so unlikly.....dr's say ye if you got cuts and saw in your mouth then theroeticly there is a risk of passing it on but it still very very unlikly....and thats what it is a theory.....if it was a risk worth worrying about then there would be more warning......look i said one person might b lieing.....and i said that one person who said he m8 was a dr i said well i cud say my m8s a dr.....thats true i cud say that.....the bird from newcastle i 4 got her name....ye i apologised 4 being rude....but infact she was rude first.....i never started being rude.....i dissagreed that kissing was a risk.....and people just went barmy at me....ridiculas....its not a risk....also anxiety...yes i had it and i never had sex tho hole time i had it.....4 fricken months......but know i its not a prolem 4 me cuz i know the risks.....igot identical advice from loads of reliable sources.......sex is risky....oral sex not so risky but still a slight risk.....fingering and kissing no risk.....if you have a cut on your finger its a slight risk 2 finger sum1 who has h.i.v but not the rest....and ye u can get std in you throat but from oral sex not kising....and u carnt pass it on by kissing......whats really annoying is people are aggreing with me PM but not supporting me on here.......getting a std from kissing is as likly as birmingham city winning the champions league.....it could hapen but its so unlikly thats its considerd NO RISk

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