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"androgynous is the word we think you are looking for. i.e. Ralph Lauren prefers to use androgynous models for his add campaigns. " I don't have the longman's dictionary yet. Got the short one for now. | |||
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"I think, It would be as rude as when I have heard conversations in clubs: "Where are you from?" "I was born here" "OK, but where are you originally from?" - Mrs. J -" That's in my top 10 questions to ask me if you are looking for a fight... | |||
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"I think, It would be as rude as when I have heard conversations in clubs: "Where are you from?" "I was born here" "OK, but where are you originally from?" - Mrs. J - That's in my top 10 questions to ask me if you are looking for a fight..." I once went into HSCB( can I say that?) to open a bank account because something pissed me off at my old bank ( interest rate 0.01%). I went in there during my lunch break ( appointment prebooked) suit and tie and all; put on my work/formal accent, losing all the "fam", " bruv" and "tins" innit. After dully supplying all info required and handing over my very weathered Brithish passport, the lady took a long hard look at me and asked, " where WAS you born?"!!! I took an exaggerated breath and went, " pardon?". The kind of " pardon" where you don't bother to innunciate on the r d and o....! She naively proceeded to repeat the question but stopped herself midstream and apologised. I saw the funny side of it and didn't kick off. That said though, I don't think that falls in the same categ as the original post; come on! | |||
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"I think it does If it doesn't then my next question to a potential sex partner could be, "have you ever, or do you currently or will ever contract an STI" In any event, there is no legal requirement to inform anyone of anything, except for an HIV positive status. Which too I am not certain of. Although I vaguely recollect that a man was prosecuted for infecting a number of women, knowingly But OP, you are perfectly entitled to ask the question as was the bank clerk perfectly entitled to ask you "where WAS you born?". And just like you were miffed with the question to you, others may be equally miffed by your question, especially if she is a born woman or a born man - Mrs. J -" To be fair I feel questions like that are a tad formal, Chatting somebody up isn't a job interview. | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J -" Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations " Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J -" Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho" I would of thought it would come under r*pe by deception | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho" Really? Under which law? And which court has convicted them on what offence? And what is the penalty? Like I said, I wish people had to reveal their sexual history as we could then avoid infected people but there is no law which requires people to even do that - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho I would of thought it would come under r*pe by deception " A guy years ago got done for knowingly infecting multiple women with HIV and ge was charged with attempted manslaughter | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J -" Yes, you legally have to inform someone prior to engaging in sex if you are HIV positive or have AIDS as it is a communicable disease. As far as the transgender question goes, as far as I'm aware based on what I found online it's a grey area. This is a good article: https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho I would of thought it would come under r*pe by deception " Nope, it doesn't unless one has not changed gender through surgery yet. Otherwise not disclosing your race could also come under the same logic if someone did not want to have sex with a person of a certain race and their race wasn't apparent But if you think it does, then please quote the law or case law - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes, you legally have to inform someone prior to engaging in sex if you are HIV positive or have AIDS as it is a communicable disease. As far as the transgender question goes, as far as I'm aware based on what I found online it's a grey area. This is a good article: https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner" An article is not a law and it is talking about whether it is a 'moral' obligation. I think it is more of a moral obligation for HIV positive people to inform about their illness as that could end up killing someone. However, no such law exists, as far as I am aware - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J -" People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact  | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact "Slightly off topic but if your having sex and the male removes protection and proceeds then that is r*pe so surely somewhere you can get done for other shit | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact "Yes, I vaguely recollect that case but am not even certain if that was in the US or over here. And I can't find the Act under which he was convicted. Or even if that law has been repealed under civil liberties Does a married man have to disclose that they are married to a sexual partner who does not wish to have sex with a married man? - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes, you legally have to inform someone prior to engaging in sex if you are HIV positive or have AIDS as it is a communicable disease. As far as the transgender question goes, as far as I'm aware based on what I found online it's a grey area. This is a good article: https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner An article is not a law and it is talking about whether it is a 'moral' obligation. I think it is more of a moral obligation for HIV positive people to inform about their illness as that could end up killing someone. However, no such law exists, as far as I am aware - Mrs. J -" Right, that must be why people have been prosecuted for spreading HIV to unsuspecting partners. So sorry I bothered to source my opinions instead of just blindly foisting then upon people  | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact
Yes, I vaguely recollect that case but am not even certain if that was in the US or over here. And I can't find the Act under which he was convicted. Or even if that law has been repealed under civil liberties
Does a married man have to disclose that they are married to a sexual partner who does not wish to have sex with a married man?
- Mrs. J -"There isn't a specific act of law for it, it would fall under the offences against the person act, section 20 or 18, maybe an attempt 18 if hiv wasn't actually passed on but the intention to pass it on maliciously was there. | |||
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"I think, It would be as rude as when I have heard conversations in clubs: "Where are you from?" "I was born here" "OK, but where are you originally from?" - Mrs. J - That's in my top 10 questions to ask me if you are looking for a fight..." What has where someone was born got to do with what someone has in their pants? OP, if you really feel the need to ask, then ask, but prepate to have your balls shouted off if you don't ask in a sensitive manner. | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes, you legally have to inform someone prior to engaging in sex if you are HIV positive or have AIDS as it is a communicable disease. As far as the transgender question goes, as far as I'm aware based on what I found online it's a grey area. This is a good article: https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner An article is not a law and it is talking about whether it is a 'moral' obligation. I think it is more of a moral obligation for HIV positive people to inform about their illness as that could end up killing someone. However, no such law exists, as far as I am aware - Mrs. J - Right, that must be why people have been prosecuted for spreading HIV to unsuspecting partners. So sorry I bothered to source my opinions instead of just blindly foisting then upon people "I did not understand what you mean You have quoted an article based on varying opinions of 9 people. I don't understand how that translates to a legal requirement It is my opinion that married people, or people with any communicable disease or anything else which may be something that a prospective sexual partner may not like be communicated in advance The article you quoted: "Then again, I would not support a duty to disclose one’s race (such as “one quarter” African American) to people who would consider this information material, so I am plainly prepared to judge some hang-ups as less valid than others" That too is just another opinion of the author Someone stated that this is a legal requirement. I don't think that it is and nobody, so far, has quoted any law which states that it is - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact
Yes, I vaguely recollect that case but am not even certain if that was in the US or over here. And I can't find the Act under which he was convicted. Or even if that law has been repealed under civil liberties
Does a married man have to disclose that they are married to a sexual partner who does not wish to have sex with a married man?
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There isn't a specific act of law for it, it would fall under the offences against the person act, section 20 or 18, maybe an attempt 18 if hiv wasn't actually passed on but the intention to pass it on maliciously was there. "What about Gonorrhoea or Syphilis. Can someone be prosecuted for having sex knowing that they have been exposed to these diseases? - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes, you legally have to inform someone prior to engaging in sex if you are HIV positive or have AIDS as it is a communicable disease. As far as the transgender question goes, as far as I'm aware based on what I found online it's a grey area. This is a good article: https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner An article is not a law and it is talking about whether it is a 'moral' obligation. I think it is more of a moral obligation for HIV positive people to inform about their illness as that could end up killing someone. However, no such law exists, as far as I am aware - Mrs. J - Right, that must be why people have been prosecuted for spreading HIV to unsuspecting partners. So sorry I bothered to source my opinions instead of just blindly foisting then upon people
I did not understand what you mean
You have quoted an article based on varying opinions of 9 people. I don't understand how that translates to a legal requirement
It is my opinion that married people, or people with any communicable disease or anything else which may be something that a prospective sexual partner may not like be communicated in advance
The article you quoted:
"Then again, I would not support a duty to disclose one’s race (such as “one quarter” African American) to people who would consider this information material, so I am plainly prepared to judge some hang-ups as less valid than others"
That too is just another opinion of the author
Someone stated that this is a legal requirement. I don't think that it is and nobody, so far, has quoted any law which states that it is
- Mrs. J -"Right, well if you go back and read the article you will see it is about whether it is a legal requirement to tell a potential sexual partner you are transgender. That was the OP's original question, and the article I found addressed it with opinions from learned professionals at Cornell University, as there doesn't seem to be a law regarding the necessity of divulging that information. How people have managed to hijack the thread and make it about race or sexually transmitted diseases is beyond me, but like many people have now said, there have been individuals who have been prosecuted for knowingly transmitting this kind of disease. | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact
Yes, I vaguely recollect that case but am not even certain if that was in the US or over here. And I can't find the Act under which he was convicted. Or even if that law has been repealed under civil liberties
Does a married man have to disclose that they are married to a sexual partner who does not wish to have sex with a married man?
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There isn't a specific act of law for it, it would fall under the offences against the person act, section 20 or 18, maybe an attempt 18 if hiv wasn't actually passed on but the intention to pass it on maliciously was there.
What about Gonorrhoea or Syphilis. Can someone be prosecuted for having sex knowing that they have been exposed to these diseases?
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes, you legally have to inform someone prior to engaging in sex if you are HIV positive or have AIDS as it is a communicable disease. As far as the transgender question goes, as far as I'm aware based on what I found online it's a grey area. This is a good article: https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is-there-a-moral-duty-to-disclose-that-youre-transgender-to-a-potential-partner An article is not a law and it is talking about whether it is a 'moral' obligation. I think it is more of a moral obligation for HIV positive people to inform about their illness as that could end up killing someone. However, no such law exists, as far as I am aware - Mrs. J - Right, that must be why people have been prosecuted for spreading HIV to unsuspecting partners. So sorry I bothered to source my opinions instead of just blindly foisting then upon people
I did not understand what you mean
You have quoted an article based on varying opinions of 9 people. I don't understand how that translates to a legal requirement
It is my opinion that married people, or people with any communicable disease or anything else which may be something that a prospective sexual partner may not like be communicated in advance
The article you quoted:
"Then again, I would not support a duty to disclose one’s race (such as “one quarter” African American) to people who would consider this information material, so I am plainly prepared to judge some hang-ups as less valid than others"
That too is just another opinion of the author
Someone stated that this is a legal requirement. I don't think that it is and nobody, so far, has quoted any law which states that it is
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Right, well if you go back and read the article you will see it is about whether it is a legal requirement to tell a potential sexual partner you are transgender. That was the OP's original question, and the article I found addressed it with opinions from learned professionals at Cornell University, as there doesn't seem to be a law regarding the necessity of divulging that information. How people have managed to hijack the thread and make it about race or sexually transmitted diseases is beyond me, but like many people have now said, there have been individuals who have been prosecuted for knowingly transmitting this kind of disease."I see what you are saying now I misunderstood you thinking that you quoted that article in support of someone here who implied that it was a legal requirement, when indeed it is not. Sorry Race was mentioned as that too can be someone's preference and the article mentions that too. It goes on to say that disclosing ones race in not something that, in the author's opinion, is a moral obligation either, let alone a legal one STDs are a different matter as catching something can range from ill-health to death. And that I think should be a legal requirement to disclose, but it doesn't appear to be. There is only one case where a man was prosecuted where he deliberately infected a number of women with HIV. But what about people infecting other people deliberately with other STDs? - Mrs. J - | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - People have been prosecuted for having unprotected sex knowing they were hiv and not disclosing it. That's a fact
Yes, I vaguely recollect that case but am not even certain if that was in the US or over here. And I can't find the Act under which he was convicted. Or even if that law has been repealed under civil liberties
Does a married man have to disclose that they are married to a sexual partner who does not wish to have sex with a married man?
- Mrs. J -
There isn't a specific act of law for it, it would fall under the offences against the person act, section 20 or 18, maybe an attempt 18 if hiv wasn't actually passed on but the intention to pass it on maliciously was there.
What about Gonorrhoea or Syphilis. Can someone be prosecuted for having sex knowing that they have been exposed to these diseases?
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I wouldn't have thought so because they don't have the same consequences as hiv but don't quote me on it."Unfortunately, I think you are correct. However, the consequences can be as drastic; think of a pregnant woman exposed to some of these STDs - Mrs. J - | |||
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"What's the actual question?" We have no clue anymore....just think of something to argue with  | |||
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"What's the actual question? We have no clue anymore....just think of something to argue with "I think it was you who, incorrectly, implied that it was a requirement for someone who has undergone a sex change to disclose this information to a prospective sexual partner 
And another poster quoted an article from a university stating that it was not even a moral obligation, let alone a legal one
"And OP I believe you are entitled to know... think they have to notify you of a sex change before then engage in sexual activity.
Disclaimer I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong"
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"What's the actual question? We have no clue anymore....just think of something to argue with
I think it was you who, incorrectly, implied that it was a requirement for someone who has undergone a sex change to disclose this information to a prospective sexual partner
And another poster quoted an article from a university stating that it was not even a moral obligation, let alone a legal one
"And OP I believe you are entitled to know... think they have to notify you of a sex change before then engage in sexual activity.
Disclaimer I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong"
- Mrs. J -"http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-could-face-rape-charges-if-they-don-t-declare-sexual-history-warns-trans-activist-a7076546.html http://www.copfs.gov.uk/images/Documents/Prosecution_Policy_Guidance/Guidelines_and_Policy/Transgender%20Policy.pdf like i said earlier it can come under r*pe by deception | |||
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"What's the actual question? We have no clue anymore....just think of something to argue with
I think it was you who, incorrectly, implied that it was a requirement for someone who has undergone a sex change to disclose this information to a prospective sexual partner
And another poster quoted an article from a university stating that it was not even a moral obligation, let alone a legal one
"And OP I believe you are entitled to know... think they have to notify you of a sex change before then engage in sexual activity.
Disclaimer I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong"
- Mrs. J - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-could-face-rape-charges-if-they-don-t-declare-sexual-history-warns-trans-activist-a7076546.html
http://www.copfs.gov.uk/images/Documents/Prosecution_Policy_Guidance/Guidelines_and_Policy/Transgender%20Policy.pdf
like i said earlier it can come under r*pe by deception"Again,the first link you have quoted is an opinion and the second link infact makes it illegal for a transgender person's history to be disclosed where they have obtained a GRC as then their gender is that which is stated on their reissued birth certificate "Where a transgender person has received a Gender Recognition Certificate, their legal gender will therefore match their self- defined gender identity and, per the Grand chamber judgement of the European Court of Human Rights case in Goodwin v UK" You should read your own quoted links properly before posting in support of your ill-informed 'statement of facts' In addition, even where there is no GRC but Gender-reassignment surgery has been performed, then the complaint will not be upheld - Mrs. J - | |||
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"What's the actual question? We have no clue anymore....just think of something to argue with
I think it was you who, incorrectly, implied that it was a requirement for someone who has undergone a sex change to disclose this information to a prospective sexual partner
And another poster quoted an article from a university stating that it was not even a moral obligation, let alone a legal one
"And OP I believe you are entitled to know... think they have to notify you of a sex change before then engage in sexual activity.
Disclaimer I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong"
- Mrs. J - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trans-people-could-face-rape-charges-if-they-don-t-declare-sexual-history-warns-trans-activist-a7076546.html
http://www.copfs.gov.uk/images/Documents/Prosecution_Policy_Guidance/Guidelines_and_Policy/Transgender%20Policy.pdf
like i said earlier it can come under r*pe by deception
Again,the first link you have quoted is an opinion and the second link infact makes it illegal for a transgender person's history to be disclosed where they have obtained a GRC as then their gender is that which is stated on their reissued birth certificate
"Where a transgender person has received a Gender Recognition Certificate, their legal gender will therefore match their self- defined gender identity and, per the Grand chamber judgement of the European Court of Human Rights case in Goodwin v UK"
You should read your own quoted links properly before posting in support of your ill-informed 'statement of facts'
In addition, even where there is no GRC but Gender-reassignment surgery has been performed, then the complaint will not be upheld
- Mrs. J -"now that i am paying attention now yes you are correct according to the equality act 2010 they are considered whatvever gender they consider themselves to be from the moment of proposal. It is also classed as sensitive information and attracts a higher degree of protection than usual especially when a GRC is held under the Data Protection Act 1998. This goes in hand with the Human Rights Act 1998 Section 8 the right for information regarding change of gender to remain private. They dont even have to tell their employer they have had a sex change unless under exceptional circumstances like pension and qualification verification but there are special procedures for this. Having said all that Gayle Newland who posed as a male to gain a relationship she was tried and convicted under deception as gender can vitiate consent. This was also the verdict in the Justin McNally case. The law states Section 74 of the Sexual offences act that consent is 'if he agrees by choice, and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice'. The capacity in which the consent is given can be argued in court. In the case of deception of gender many things are considered: How the suspect perceives his/her gender; What steps, if any, he/she has taken to live as his/her chosen identity; and What steps, if any, he/she has taken to acquire a new gender status. Whether the offending occurred as a result of the suspects uncertainty or ambivalence about his/her gender identity; The nature and level of the relevant sexual activity; The nature and duration of any relationship between the suspect and complainant; Where the suspect has made an admission, whether an out-of-court disposal might take the place of a prosecution and provide an appropriate response to the offender and/or the seriousness and consequences of the offending. But each case is handled differently as there as so many things to consider but i still uphold my opinion. Its a difficult one to prove but let the experts handle it. Can we now stop arguing and get back to fabbing hate all this shit. | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J -" Legally you do not have to tell anyone you have HIV, even a sexual partner. However, if you pass on HIV then you can be prosecuted for reckless transmission of HIV if: *you had sex with someone who didn’t *know you had HIV *you knew you had HIV at that time *you understood how HIV is transmitted *you had sex without a condom, and you transmitted HIV to that person. That's straight from the THT website. | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho I would of thought it would come under r*pe by deception " Don't quote me but if I remember correctly..its manslaughter | |||
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"Fuck me!! ( disclaimer; not literally). If you were in such a category, would you be offended if I asked you the question?" As I wrote earlier, you can ask any question of anyone just as anyone is free to ask you any question However, just as you are not under any legal obligation to volunteer any information about yourself, neither is anyone else. And that was what was incorrectly implied (not by you) The only exception seems to be is if you are HIV positive. But it appears that you could be infected with any other STD but do not have to disclose that rather deadly fact 
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"Fuck me!! ( disclaimer; not literally). If you were in such a category, would you be offended if I asked you the question? As I wrote earlier, you can ask any question of anyone just as anyone is free to ask you any question However, just as you are not under any legal obligation to volunteer any information about yourself, neither is anyone else. And that was what was incorrectly implied (not by you) The only exception seems to be is if you are HIV positive. But it appears that you could be infected with any other STD but do not have to disclose that rather deadly fact
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"I don't think the OP was opening a debate on law. Especially not of STIs. He asked if it was rude to bring up whether someone was TS....... Not the law, just how to handle the subject....." Boom!! | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J -" If you know you have HIV then you do have to declare it as it kills people. | |||
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"I already answered your question OP. Feel free to ask if someone was born male or female or whatever, but if you do it in an inconsiderate, derogatory or imflammatory manner be prepared to be told to jog on. It is up to the individual if they choose to tell people that ask them anything about what is in their underwear. Personally I wouldn't ask, because it is none of my damn business. If it got to a point where I knew someone well enough to be having sex with them then I assume they would tell me anything I needed to know." What if he was chatting to them in a club? How do you suggest he brings it up then? | |||
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"I get what you are saying but you and I know that the people we have had sex with are not necessarily people we know "very well". " I didn't say 'very well'. I said 'well enough to be having sex with them' If you get to a point where you are attracted to the person and want to have sex with them, then why does it matter if they were born male or female? You fancy then anyway. | |||
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"I get what you are saying but you and I know that the people we have had sex with are not necessarily people we know "very well". I didn't say 'very well'. I said 'well enough to be having sex with them' If you get to a point where you are attracted to the person and want to have sex with them, then why does it matter if they were born male or female? You fancy then anyway. " For example, they might not have transitioned. That would make a difference wouldn't it? | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho Really? Under which law? And which court has convicted them on what offence? And what is the penalty? Like I said, I wish people had to reveal their sexual history as we could then avoid infected people but there is no law which requires people to even do that - Mrs. J -" There have been many gender fraud/rape by deception cases in the UK. A woman was jailed in 2015 for pretending to be a man in order to engage in sex with a woman. It falls under sexual offenses act 2003. Dunno how you can deny this when you obviously haven't even done a basic Google search on the topic | |||
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"I get what you are saying but you and I know that the people we have had sex with are not necessarily people we know "very well". I didn't say 'very well'. I said 'well enough to be having sex with them' If you get to a point where you are attracted to the person and want to have sex with them, then why does it matter if they were born male or female? You fancy then anyway. For example, they might not have transitioned. That would make a difference wouldn't it?" Then you'd notice when they got naked and if it wasn't for you you'd say 'it's not for me, sorry'. | |||
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"I think, It would be as rude as when I have heard conversations in clubs: "Where are you from?" "I was born here" "OK, but where are you originally from?" - Mrs. J -" I get this ALL the time! You're so right! Personally, I often get asked if I was born female. It's very hurtful. If someone's profile says 'woman', that's what they are. More importantly, what you should take notice of and act upon is what they identify as. Asking is rude, thoughtless, personal, unnecessary, and hurtful. | |||
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"I think, It would be as rude as when I have heard conversations in clubs: "Where are you from?" "I was born here" "OK, but where are you originally from?" - Mrs. J - I get this ALL the time! You're so right! Personally, I often get asked if I was born female. It's very hurtful. If someone's profile says 'woman', that's what they are. More importantly, what you should take notice of and act upon is what they identify as. Asking is rude, thoughtless, personal, unnecessary, and hurtful." Not exactly that easy though. I've got every right to know what's is going into my body or what is about to. Politely asking whether the male or female is trans, is not rude! First date, second date or whenever, the lovely trans lady/man should inform their date. I would hate to be deceived in any sexual capacity. Like various people have said above, a young lady was arrested and prosecuted for deceiving a girl into having sex with her by pretending to be male. She was very clever in her deception. Google the story. | |||
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"I think, It would be as rude as when I have heard conversations in clubs: "Where are you from?" "I was born here" "OK, but where are you originally from?" - Mrs. J - I get this ALL the time! You're so right! Personally, I often get asked if I was born female. It's very hurtful. If someone's profile says 'woman', that's what they are. More importantly, what you should take notice of and act upon is what they identify as. Asking is rude, thoughtless, personal, unnecessary, and hurtful." I would go further than that. If someone's preference is for White people and suspect that an individual is mixed race to some degree or another, then why bother asking them, if this presents a problem to them? Would them saying "no" change anyone's mind as the suspicion will remain? Or would them saying "yes" mean that the person asking the question will change their preference? If someone suspects that someone was not born in the gender they are representing and this is an issue for them, then just don't bother trying to strike up a conversation with that person And yes, there was this little matter of the law, where someone suggested that it is incumbent upon people who have undergone GRS not only to reveal their birth-gender when questioned, but infact it is illegal for them not to volunteer this information to some random stranger prior to embarking on a sexual liaison; utter half-baked drivel - Mrs. J - PS. How anyone could suspect that you are not a born woman, is beyond me; x | |||
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"You are wrong. Nobody is obliged, under the law, to inform anyone anything about themselves. It comes back to, "OK, but where are you originally from?" The only exception is if one is HIV positive and even then, I am not certain if I am corrrect about that - Mrs. J - Yes you do have to inform anyone who you may be thinking about entering into any sexual relations Nope. Absolutely incorrect And if you think that anyone has to tell anything about themselves to anyone, do tell me what the penalty is for not doing so Statutory law, case law, act of parliament? Do quote I cannot even find anywhere where an HIV positive person has to reveal that information to a prospective sexual partner. And that could be fatal - Mrs. J - Well that's what someone I know is getting done for..anywho Really? Under which law? And which court has convicted them on what offence? And what is the penalty? Like I said, I wish people had to reveal their sexual history as we could then avoid infected people but there is no law which requires people to even do that - Mrs. J -" Sorry to jump in - from the cps website . Ultimately it is the responsibility of the person who is infectious to ensure that those safeguards are taken and, so far as they are aware, remain operative throughout the entire period of sexual activity when it remains a possibility that their infection might be transmitted.there is no mention of having to disclose it is reckless transmission that is the offence, and no I believe that if you are trans gender you have changed sex, you have no obligation whoever whatever status you are to disclose anything to anyone - if you like what you see then go for it if you don't walk on by | |||
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" I have many TS friends in the scene and yes it can be hard to tell ( if thats what you are thinking) In the minds of us openminded fun loving people we think nothing of it. However I have witnessed it at events and parties where someone has truly believed tthey hav played with a generically born female and informed afterwards by someone that was not the case . Ive seen grown men literally throw up because they believe they have fucked a man..and would be thought gay .One even cried.. Even though of course these ladies have fully transitioned and the guys were not aware before or during the act.. So my point here is this .If you personally have a strong feeling against .. Then ask .. They will not be offended . My TS friends also now tell a guy before any sexual acts to ensure everyone is happy... After all it is your problem not their problem only xx Also some people only want to play with a TS out of curiosity which isnt nice either ... " Why does anyone need to tell? Either you like and enjoy or you don't - too many labels in this world | |||
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" I have many TS friends in the scene and yes it can be hard to tell ( if thats what you are thinking) In the minds of us openminded fun loving people we think nothing of it. However I have witnessed it at events and parties where someone has truly believed tthey hav played with a generically born female and informed afterwards by someone that was not the case . Ive seen grown men literally throw up because they believe they have fucked a man..and would be thought gay .One even cried.. Even though of course these ladies have fully transitioned and the guys were not aware before or during the act.. So my point here is this .If you personally have a strong feeling against .. Then ask .. They will not be offended . My TS friends also now tell a guy before any sexual acts to ensure everyone is happy... After all it is your problem not their problem only xx Also some people only want to play with a TS out of curiosity which isnt nice either ... Why does anyone need to tell? Either you like and enjoy or you don't - too many labels in this world " Sadly for the reasons ive pointed out if you feel that strongly about it and it worries you then ask or dont do it .. cause the issue had to be with the person thinking those thought in the first place. I personally agree makes no odds to me either way but too the majority it does ... cie la vie | |||
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" ps whats someones sexual history got to do with anything .. a first timer could catch an STD and someone thats shagged half fabs could be STD free.. x" Of course peoples sexual history is relevant. Would you be interested to know if a potential partner had been doing bareback anal for the last few years? Yes, the first timer 'might' have an std and the barebacker 'might' not, but the balances of probabilities are with the long time barebacker. | |||
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" ps whats someones sexual history got to do with anything .. a first timer could catch an STD and someone thats shagged half fabs could be STD free.. x Of course peoples sexual history is relevant. Would you be interested to know if a potential partner had been doing bareback anal for the last few years? Yes, the first timer 'might' have an std and the barebacker 'might' not, but the balances of probabilities are with the long time barebacker. " This is my logic too Won't even meet anyone who says they bareback on their profile Laws of probability and all that | |||
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" ps whats someones sexual history got to do with anything .. a first timer could catch an STD and someone thats shagged half fabs could be STD free.. x Of course peoples sexual history is relevant. Would you be interested to know if a potential partner had been doing bareback anal for the last few years? Yes, the first timer 'might' have an std and the barebacker 'might' not, but the balances of probabilities are with the long time barebacker. " We find the bareback threads very useful. We block all profiles from those threads. We have nothing against these people. We just want to maintain our health by reducing the risk to us - Mrs. J - | |||
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" ..... So my point here is this .If you personally have a strong feeling against .. Then ask .. They will not be offended. ..... " I wouldn't be so certain about some random stranger asking someone their medical history. Afterall people get very angry at a question like: "where are you originally from?" "That's in my top 10 questions to ask me if you are looking for a fight..." But this very same person thinks that asking someone an intrusive question is somehow his right " ..... After all it is your problem not their problem only xx ....." How could it be their problem? It is the problem of the person making the advances - Mrs. J - | |||
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" I get this ALL the time! You're so right! Personally, I often get asked if I was born female. It's very hurtful. If someone's profile says 'woman', that's what they are. More importantly, what you should take notice of and act upon is what they identify as. Asking is rude, thoughtless, personal, unnecessary, and hurtful. Not exactly that easy though. I've got every right to know what's is going into my body or what is about to. Politely asking whether the male or female is trans, is not rude! First date, second date or whenever, the lovely trans lady/man should inform their date. I would hate to be deceived in any sexual capacity. Like various people have said above, a young lady was arrested and prosecuted for deceiving a girl into having sex with her by pretending to be male. She was very clever in her deception. Google the story. " Not at all, actually. You have a right to know exactly what's going into your body WHEN and IF it might be a possibility. All the people who ask me are people I wouldn't dream of meeting, so they have zero right to ask me anything so personal. Not to mention the fact that most are too stupid to understand that if I WAS trans, my profile would say 'TV/TS'. If someone has given no indication that they even find you attractive, why fire rude questions at them about their gender, as if you have a right to know? You don't. Wait until it becomes an issue that concerns you, because, the chances are, the person you're interrogating has no wish to have anything to do with your body. | |||
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" I get this ALL the time! You're so right! Personally, I often get asked if I was born female. It's very hurtful. If someone's profile says 'woman', that's what they are. More importantly, what you should take notice of and act upon is what they identify as. Asking is rude, thoughtless, personal, unnecessary, and hurtful. Not exactly that easy though. I've got every right to know what's is going into my body or what is about to. Politely asking whether the male or female is trans, is not rude! First date, second date or whenever, the lovely trans lady/man should inform their date. I would hate to be deceived in any sexual capacity. Like various people have said above, a young lady was arrested and prosecuted for deceiving a girl into having sex with her by pretending to be male. She was very clever in her deception. Google the story. Not at all, actually. You have a right to know exactly what's going into your body WHEN and IF it might be a possibility. All the people who ask me are people I wouldn't dream of meeting, so they have zero right to ask me anything so personal. Not to mention the fact that most are too stupid to understand that if I WAS trans, my profile would say 'TV/TS'. If someone has given no indication that they even find you attractive, why fire rude questions at them about their gender, as if you have a right to know? You don't. Wait until it becomes an issue that concerns you, because, the chances are, the person you're interrogating has no wish to have anything to do with your body. "
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If anyone thinks that they have some right to answer to such questions, then they better be ready either for a "fuck off" or an equally rude question in return
This has happened twice to me in clubs. Once was by myself and a little guy looked up to all of the 6'2" of me in heels, and said, "excuse me, but are you a transvestite or a transsexual"; I asked him if he was Gay and went straight to the owner of the club and asked him if this is a Gay night. He asked me why and I told about the little man. He literally pushed him out of the club and told him never to dare return again
Second time was at another club but this time my hubby was there. He was paying up and I walked ahead of him. Another little fella asked me if I was a TV. I waited for my hubby to join me and said to him, "Darling, this man wants to know if you are a homosexual". Now, my hubby is a gentle giant; he would never even raise his voice, let alone pulverise someone with his bare hands. But this was too much for him. He stared at the little guy, who immediately profusely apologised to me and scurried off
These two occasions have something in common; little guys who cannot accept that there are women taller than them; much taller; and that they are married to even taller guys; therefore, these women must be TVs
The funny part is that if any one of these two guys were the last men on the continent, I would move to another continent. I would not even have looked at them in those clubs had they not approached me
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" I get this ALL the time! You're so right! Personally, I often get asked if I was born female. It's very hurtful. If someone's profile says 'woman', that's what they are. More importantly, what you should take notice of and act upon is what they identify as. Asking is rude, thoughtless, personal, unnecessary, and hurtful. Not exactly that easy though. I've got every right to know what's is going into my body or what is about to. Politely asking whether the male or female is trans, is not rude! First date, second date or whenever, the lovely trans lady/man should inform their date. I would hate to be deceived in any sexual capacity. Like various people have said above, a young lady was arrested and prosecuted for deceiving a girl into having sex with her by pretending to be male. She was very clever in her deception. Google the story. Not at all, actually. You have a right to know exactly what's going into your body WHEN and IF it might be a possibility. All the people who ask me are people I wouldn't dream of meeting, so they have zero right to ask me anything so personal. Not to mention the fact that most are too stupid to understand that if I WAS trans, my profile would say 'TV/TS'. If someone has given no indication that they even find you attractive, why fire rude questions at them about their gender, as if you have a right to know? You don't. Wait until it becomes an issue that concerns you, because, the chances are, the person you're interrogating has no wish to have anything to do with your body.
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If anyone thinks that they have some right to answer to such questions, then they better be ready either for a "fuck off" or an equally rude question in return
This has happened twice to me in clubs. Once was by myself and a little guy looked up to all of the 6'2" of me in heels, and said, "excuse me, but are you a transvestite or a transsexual"; I asked him if he was Gay and went straight to the owner of the club and asked him if this is a Gay night. He asked me why and I told about the little man. He literally pushed him out of the club and told him never to dare return again
Second time was at another club but this time my hubby was there. He was paying up and I walked ahead of him. Another little fella asked me if I was a TV. I waited for my hubby to join me and said to him, "Darling, this man wants to know if you are a homosexual". Now, my hubby is a gentle giant; he would never even raise his voice, let alone pulverise someone with his bare hands. But this was too much for him. He stared at the little guy, who immediately profusely apologised to me and scurried off
These two occasions have something in common; little guys who cannot accept that there are women taller than them; much taller; and that they are married to even taller guys; therefore, these women must be TVs
The funny part is that if any one of these two guys were the last men on the continent, I would move to another continent. I would not even have looked at them in those clubs had they not approached me
- Mrs. J -"Out of interest, what was the tone of their questions like? We had some moronic couple just walk over to us while were playing with someone and say "chinese or japanese?" to my obviously asian wife. To be honest there was no malice in his tone, he was just thick as shit. Still shouted at him to fuck off all the same but sort of ruins the mood for a while. | |||
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" ... Not at all, actually. You have a right to know exactly what's going into your body WHEN and IF it might be a possibility. All the people who ask me are people I wouldn't dream of meeting, so they have zero right to ask me anything so personal. Not to mention the fact that most are too stupid to understand that if I WAS trans, my profile would say 'TV/TS'. If someone has given no indication that they even find you attractive, why fire rude questions at them about their gender, as if you have a right to know? You don't. Wait until it becomes an issue that concerns you, because, the chances are, the person you're interrogating has no wish to have anything to do with your body.
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If anyone thinks that they have some right to answer to such questions, then they better be ready either for a "fuck off" or an equally rude question in return
This has happened twice to me in clubs. Once was by myself and a little guy looked up to all of the 6'2" of me in heels, and said, "excuse me, but are you a transvestite or a transsexual"; I asked him if he was Gay and went straight to the owner of the club and asked him if this is a Gay night. He asked me why and I told about the little man. He literally pushed him out of the club and told him never to dare return again
Second time was at another club but this time my hubby was there. He was paying up and I walked ahead of him. Another little fella asked me if I was a TV. I waited for my hubby to join me and said to him, "Darling, this man wants to know if you are a homosexual". Now, my hubby is a gentle giant; he would never even raise his voice, let alone pulverise someone with his bare hands. But this was too much for him. He stared at the little guy, who immediately profusely apologised to me and scurried off
These two occasions have something in common; little guys who cannot accept that there are women taller than them; much taller; and that they are married to even taller guys; therefore, these women must be TVs
The funny part is that if any one of these two guys were the last men on the continent, I would move to another continent. I would not even have looked at them in those clubs had they not approached me
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Out of interest, what was the tone of their questions like?
We had some moronic couple just walk over to us while were playing with someone and say "chinese or japanese?" to my obviously asian wife. To be honest there was no malice in his tone, he was just thick as shit. Still shouted at him to fuck off all the same but sort of ruins the mood for a while. "Well, the first one was trying his best to stand next me and start a conversation and I kept on moving away from him because he was of absolutely no interest to me. This was a few years ago so I can't recollect what exactly happened. But finally, he stood in my path as I was going to the bar to get another drink and fired his stupid question at me. That did kind of put a damper on my evening but I was about to leave anyway and the owner of this club has known me for a number of years and took the appropriate action. But it still wasn't a nice experience The second time was just a couple of months ago. This man thought I was by myself and was kind of lurking around the door to the main club after clearing reception. He kind of smiled at me which I ignored as again, he was not my type at all. And then he asked. I have never seen someone scurry off so fast This time, it amused me 
There are a number of thick people around who have this egotistical sense of entitlement that whilst they can ask stupid question, nobody else dare ask them similarly stupid questions. To them I ask, do you know the meaning of the words starting with 'f' and coincidentally, end with 'f' too
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"Have you ever come across someone soooo .... goodlooking you are at a loss as to whether they were born female or male or somewhere in between? No word of a lie, this has happened to me twice! At the risk of coming across as being rude if I asked for clarification, I abandoned the project altogether. Can you ask?" ==================================== Of course you can. Why ever not? I'm a very slim guy and I have been asked by a few women ... and actually I think that its a compliment ... particularly from women who are looking for women ... and find a man who intrigues them. So, go ahead and ask .... | |||
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"Have you ever come across someone soooo .... goodlooking you are at a loss as to whether they were born female or male or somewhere in between? No word of a lie, this has happened to me twice! At the risk of coming across as being rude if I asked for clarification, I abandoned the project altogether. Can you ask? ==================================== Of course you can. Why ever not? I'm a very slim guy and I have been asked by a few women ... and actually I think that its a compliment ... particularly from women who are looking for women ... and find a man who intrigues them. So, go ahead and ask ...." I may be wrong but I thought it was only men who could go the other way medically/surgically. Is the other way round also rife? Logistically, is it possible? | |||
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