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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men. If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

If so this would mean something like 96 out of every 100 "single" men on Fab are attached

Before you balk at that figure remember two things. First, this is an NSA swinging site which mixes a group who have a flagrant disregard for monogamy with another group who want sex without baggage or too many questions. Of course it's going to appeal fairly and squarely to attached men, even if they're just fantasists toying with playing away. And secondly, just because they're attached doesn't mean they're all the same. Some men, like me, genuinely have got their partner's consent and really can confirm it. So as well as the 4% who are genuinely single there's likely to be at least another 4% who have and can prove consent

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Just found statistics that there are 67,000 more single men in the UK than women. The current UK population is 65.14 million and about 50% of that is single so that puts total singles at 32.32 million. This would suggest that for every 5 single women on Fab there are 5 or 6 single men... not 78

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By *eliWoman
over a year ago

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"Just found statistics that there are 67,000 more single men in the UK than women. The current UK population is 65.14 million and about 50% of that is single so that puts total singles at 32.32 million. This would suggest that for every 5 single women on Fab there are 5 or 6 single men... not 78 "

Yeah, if you ignore the fact that more men will be on here looking for sex then women - even if it was only 'genuine singles' allowed on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That doesn't make sense. If there are 67,000 more single men than women, how do you arrive at a ratio of 5 to 6 single men for every 5 women. That works out at a ratio of around 1 for 1.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dear

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Statistics show 45% of UK males confess to sexual infidelity. This suggests that in the vanilla population there are half as many cheats as there are genuinely single guys.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"That doesn't make sense. If there are 67,000 more single men than women, how do you arrive at a ratio of 5 to 6 single men for every 5 women. That works out at a ratio of around 1 for 1.

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There are roughly 16 million single women and 16 million 67,000 single males. If we reduced the numbers down to 100 women to say there were 101 men would already be an exaggeration, as was my benefit of the doubt 5 or 6

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That doesn't make sense. If there are 67,000 more single men than women, how do you arrive at a ratio of 5 to 6 single men for every 5 women. That works out at a ratio of around 1 for 1.

There are roughly 16 million single women and 16 million 67,000 single males. If we reduced the numbers down to 100 women to say there were 101 men would already be an exaggeration, as was my benefit of the doubt 5 or 6 "

Ah, I think I see where you've got your figures from now.

But how many of the 32 million are children?

Your initial post stated that there are 65 million PEOPLE in the UK - rather than 65 million adults.

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By *jcmjcCouple
over a year ago

Newport


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men. If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

If so this would mean something like 96 out of every 100 "single" men on Fab are attached

Before you balk at that figure remember two things. First, this is an NSA swinging site which mixes a group who have a flagrant disregard for monogamy with another group who want sex without baggage or too many questions. Of course it's going to appeal fairly and squarely to attached men, even if they're just fantasists toying with playing away. And secondly, just because they're attached doesn't mean they're all the same. Some men, like me, genuinely have got their partner's consent and really can confirm it. So as well as the 4% who are genuinely single there's likely to be at least another 4% who have and can prove consent "

This makes no sense, there'll be a lot more men single or otherwise on fab within a 5 mile radius.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who cares? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"who cares? lol"
were wit you who cares its their business

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By *illy_the_tvTV/TS
over a year ago

hoorn, Netherlands

7

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

send the women over here

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Statistics show 45% of UK males confess to sexual infidelity. This suggests that in the vanilla population there are half as many cheats as there are genuinely single guys. "

Who was the infidelity with, a truly single woman or a married woman.

The statistic on its own doesn't mean anything. Besides, I don't believe the 45% figure anyway.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men."

It could mean 10% of the 780 local single men have joined, and 0.6% of the 780 local single women have joined.

I have no doubt there are cheating singles and 'couples' on here, but these stats won't help establish the numbers unfortunately.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm single & can host. (I appreciate other singles can't)

But that's a good indicator for me personally that something may not be right!

Also daytime weekday only meets?

(Skiving of work to meet, home/family in the evening?)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The fun police are here

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple
over a year ago

London

I reckon a good eighty per cent of alleged single men on here are attached in some way. Think about it. How many men above, say the age of thirty, do you know who don't have a wife, partner or girlfriend.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men. If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

"

Um no? For every single woman who wants to engage in casual sex there might be 10 single men who do - so 5 single women, 50 single men, and 28 attached lol!

I don't think there is any way of knowing the percentage - some women say most but that is not my experience. Most over 40 - well maybe so, but a lot of the younger guys are genuinely free and single.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men.

It could mean 10% of the 780 local single men have joined, and 0.6% of the 780 local single women have joined.

I have no doubt there are cheating singles and 'couples' on here, but these stats won't help establish the numbers unfortunately."

I like your thinking. However surely we can derive some vague figure? For example. As statistics say 45% of married men have cheated and roughly 50% of the UK population is single, with an almost 50/50 split between genders, this would imply that out of 100 men 50 are single, 25 are cheats, and 25 are faithful. Apply this to Fab and we'd assume 25 of the 75 listed as "single" were actually cheating... IF this was a vanilla community.

This isn't a vanilla community. So are there genuinely 50 single guys and 25 cheats to every 5 single women? 1 in every 3 guys you talk to is attached. Surely you've got to be utterly delusional to believe the figures are any better than that on an NSA swinging site. So we all agree they must be worse... right?

If we bring the number in line with percentage of single women to men, this would suggest for every 5 single women we should see 5 or 6 single men. But, as others have said, a site like this is likely to attract more men than women. Twice as much men? Four times? If we're generous and assume for every 5 single women there are 25 single men we can see we've reversed the statistics and that, of our 75 "single" men only 25 are single. This means only 1 in 3 guys is actually single. I would suggest this is still a highly optimistic figure

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By *iforfun999Man
over a year ago

Haverfordwest

That logic makes no sense to me. You're saying that because there are 78 men looking for 35 year old women, that only 5 men must be single? How??

If you said that a search for women looking for 35 year old Chinese men resulted in 5 women and a search for men looking for 35 year old Chinese women resulted in 78 men, then by your logic, 5 men must be Spanish. They are different search criteria from different age groups.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Don't quit the day job

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was going to comment but it suddenly hit me I have something very important and fun that's more important to attend to....

it's called....life!

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By *eedsmale36Man
over a year ago

Leeds


"Just found statistics that there are 67,000 more single men in the UK than women. The current UK population is 65.14 million and about 50% of that is single so that puts total singles at 32.32 million. This would suggest that for every 5 single women on Fab there are 5 or 6 single men... not 78 "

76% of statistics are incorrect 32% of the time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

im single ,live alone , no ties , no fibs

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield

OP, if (big if) 45% of men cheat / have cheated, it doesn't mean 45% of all men are currently cheating. It might mean they kissed a woman in the pub once.

Extrapolating it to 45% of men on here are cheating is a huge leap.

You've said 50% of the population is single. So you could say ALL the single men here are genuinely single.

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By *acavityMan
over a year ago

Redditch


"If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached? "

No you can't infer that, due to the self selecting sample.

You are looking at single people on a swinging site.

It's probably due to other women not on site either not wanting (or admitting to wanting) to have nsa swinging sex, so might be on dating sites instead.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OP, if (big if) 45% of men cheat / have cheated, it doesn't mean 45% of all men are currently cheating. It might mean they kissed a woman in the pub once.

Extrapolating it to 45% of men on here are cheating is a huge leap.

You've said 50% of the population is single. So you could say ALL the single men here are genuinely single."

Good thinking for the first bit However. If 45% of UK males confess to cheating. How many really cheat? And how many have thought of cheating? And how many have joined a free site to see what the options are?

I don't get the logic of your last point

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

No you can't infer that, due to the self selecting sample.

You are looking at single people on a swinging site.

It's probably due to other women not on site either not wanting (or admitting to wanting) to have nsa swinging sex, so might be on dating sites instead.

"

I agree with your first point but it actually works against you. You can't possibly be saying that the sample from a swinging site is likely to contain less cheats than a vanilla sample? Yes it's a select group... but that must mean the stats are even worse... surely?

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"OP, if (big if) 45% of men cheat / have cheated, it doesn't mean 45% of all men are currently cheating. It might mean they kissed a woman in the pub once.

Extrapolating it to 45% of men on here are cheating is a huge leap.

You've said 50% of the population is single. So you could say ALL the single men here are genuinely single.

Good thinking for the first bit However. If 45% of UK males confess to cheating. How many really cheat? And how many have thought of cheating? And how many have joined a free site to see what the options are?

I don't get the logic of your last point"

the last point is there's millions of single men in the uk and a few thousand men on here, they could all be single.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those statistics are a bit mind taxing. Got a headache just trying to figure all that out.

I'm not having a dig at the OP but what's the point of it all?

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By *attoedMan
over a year ago

Aldershot

How many single girls have profiles that are part of a cpl profile to

Answer lots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My thoughts are that you are trying to use these flawed analyses as a way of saying anyone who says they won't meet married guys is wrong because virtually every single guy on Fab is actually attached. Nice try.

And as to why would single guys be on here and how many men over a certain age do we know who haven't got a wife or partner, we know quite a few who have come out of long term relationships, aren't looking for a new partner but can well imagine would enjoy some NSA fun. Also know guys who are very career focused, serial monogamists who go on a few dates with loads of girls but don't want to commit to a relationship and can also imagine them being on here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"My thoughts are that you are trying to use these flawed analyses as a way of saying anyone who says they won't meet married guys is wrong because virtually every single guy on Fab is actually attached. Nice try."

Doh! You caught me with my trousers down People who ditch attached men playing with consent in favour of "single" guys are clearly basing that on the assumption "there are plenty of single guys on here". I'd personally question that. This is a free site geared to NSA sex and non-monogamy. It's bound to appeal disproportionately to men who are either looking to cheat or are thinking about it. As such, we'd expect it's percentage of "singles" who are actually attached to be higher, perhaps considerably higher, than in vanilla life.

I think it's only fair, if people are going to pass up attached men playing with consent in favour of "singles" that some idea of what the risk these people are attached is.


"And as to why would single guys be on here and how many men over a certain age do we know who haven't got a wife or partner, we know quite a few who have come out of long term relationships, aren't looking for a new partner but can well imagine would enjoy some NSA fun. Also know guys who are very career focused, serial monogamists who go on a few dates with loads of girls but don't want to commit to a relationship and can also imagine them being on here. "

I agree with you on these remarks. But I still think you'd be overly optimistic if you assumed 50% or more of single guys were actually single and neither in a relationship or dating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Errrr, I am a single male on here as a single male. No deception involved good stats by the way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"That logic makes no sense to me. You're saying that because there are 78 men looking for 35 year old women, that only 5 men must be single? How??

If you said that a search for women looking for 35 year old Chinese men resulted in 5 women and a search for men looking for 35 year old Chinese women resulted in 78 men, then by your logic, 5 men must be Spanish. They are different search criteria from different age groups. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men. If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

If so this would mean something like 96 out of every 100 "single" men on Fab are attached

Before you balk at that figure remember two things. First, this is an NSA swinging site which mixes a group who have a flagrant disregard for monogamy with another group who want sex without baggage or too many questions. Of course it's going to appeal fairly and squarely to attached men, even if they're just fantasists toying with playing away. And secondly, just because they're attached doesn't mean they're all the same. Some men, like me, genuinely have got their partner's consent and really can confirm it. So as well as the 4% who are genuinely single there's likely to be at least another 4% who have and can prove consent "

Your mathematical analysis & logic applied, to arrive at your statistics, are flawed.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


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Your mathematical analysis & logic applied, to arrive at your statistics, are flawed. "

As above, there is another agenda, the stats are to do with that....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Attached men getting no sex at home are desperate for a shag and super keen and horny.

Attached men playing with consent are already getting sex at home so it will be boring as fuck.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

Your mathematical analysis & logic applied, to arrive at your statistics, are flawed.

As above, there is another agenda, the stats are to do with that...."

Strictly speaking my stats are just stats taken from others studies so you'd have to take up your complaints with them. The conjecture I've derived from them is obviously conjecture and I've noted the good thinking of those who've questioned them.

However, agendas aside, a vague sense of the actual stats, were we able to obtain them, would surely point to something along the lines of less than 50% of single men actually being single. Surely anything higher than that on an NSA swinging site is just wishful thinking.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Attached men getting no sex at home are desperate for a shag and super keen and horny.

Attached men playing with consent are already getting sex at home so it will be boring as fuck. "

lol I love you carrot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

Your mathematical analysis & logic applied, to arrive at your statistics, are flawed.

As above, there is another agenda, the stats are to do with that...."

Yes, I got that bit too. The hidden agenda, is flawed.

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"

Your mathematical analysis & logic applied, to arrive at your statistics, are flawed.

As above, there is another agenda, the stats are to do with that....

Strictly speaking my stats are just stats taken from others studies so you'd have to take up your complaints with them. The conjecture I've derived from them is obviously conjecture and I've noted the good thinking of those who've questioned them.

However, agendas aside, a vague sense of the actual stats, were we able to obtain them, would surely point to something along the lines of less than 50% of single men actually being single. Surely anything higher than that on an NSA swinging site is just wishful thinking. "

The stats are just for the general population. It is obvious to anyone reading, you've twisted them to suit your way of thinking. You want to portray 50% of guys as cheaters, and you as Mr Honest, so people should meet you regardless of their stated preferences.

It might work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics show 45% of UK males confess to sexual infidelity. This suggests that in the vanilla population there are half as many cheats as there are genuinely single guys. "

Most women aren't stupid enough to answer a survey like that correctly. You only have to look at the disparity between the number of "I'm a cheat why won't anyone meet me" started by men and those started by women.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men. If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

If so this would mean something like 96 out of every 100 "single" men on Fab are attached

Before you balk at that figure remember two things. First, this is an NSA swinging site which mixes a group who have a flagrant disregard for monogamy with another group who want sex without baggage or too many questions. Of course it's going to appeal fairly and squarely to attached men, even if they're just fantasists toying with playing away. And secondly, just because they're attached doesn't mean they're all the same. Some men, like me, genuinely have got their partner's consent and really can confirm it. So as well as the 4% who are genuinely single there's likely to be at least another 4% who have and can prove consent "

You have to much time on your hands!

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

42.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lots

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are a few who are accused of not being single when they are.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"That logic makes no sense to me. You're saying that because there are 78 men looking for 35 year old women, that only 5 men must be single? How?? "

I thought that, then thought it doesn't matter

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

One in twenty people are criminals apparently.

Assuming that criminality involves lying 1 in 20 people are liars.

Of the 1 in 20 half may be women, so .5 in 20 men are liars. Or 2.5 liar men per 100.

If we add 30% to this to account for non-criminal liars (call then 'fibbers') we find that in every 100 men there are 3.25 liars/fibbers.

We then need to remove 1 of those as they are genuinely single. This leaves us with 2.25 per 100 men being married liars.

So, of the 78 men sampled by the OP, 2.25% of them will be liars and, ergo, married.

Leaving the the actual figure at 1.75 liar, married men

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By *iforfun999Man
over a year ago

Haverfordwest


"One in twenty people are criminals apparently.

Assuming that criminality involves lying 1 in 20 people are liars.

Of the 1 in 20 half may be women, so .5 in 20 men are liars. Or 2.5 liar men per 100.

If we add 30% to this to account for non-criminal liars (call then 'fibbers') we find that in every 100 men there are 3.25 liars/fibbers.

We then need to remove 1 of those as they are genuinely single. This leaves us with 2.25 per 100 men being married liars.

So, of the 78 men sampled by the OP, 2.25% of them will be liars and, ergo, married.

Leaving the the actual figure at 1.75 liar, married men"

And they're married Spanish men too!

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"One in twenty people are criminals apparently.

Assuming that criminality involves lying 1 in 20 people are liars.

Of the 1 in 20 half may be women, so .5 in 20 men are liars. Or 2.5 liar men per 100.

If we add 30% to this to account for non-criminal liars (call then 'fibbers') we find that in every 100 men there are 3.25 liars/fibbers.

We then need to remove 1 of those as they are genuinely single. This leaves us with 2.25 per 100 men being married liars.

So, of the 78 men sampled by the OP, 2.25% of them will be liars and, ergo, married.

Leaving the the actual figure at 1.75 liar, married men

And they're married Spanish men too! "

I'll adjust for Brexit later

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anybody asked Sydney University

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I really couldn't give a flying fuck. How do you give a flying fuck anyway, sounds dangerous?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Attached men getting no sex at home are desperate for a shag and super keen and horny.

Attached men playing with consent are already getting sex at home so it will be boring as fuck. "

I do sometimes wonder if the consent is just to get him out of her hair, already.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Today I've ruffled people's feathers over two assumptions... the pervasive wishful thinking myth that guys who make no mention of having any partner are genuinely single and... the blanket dismissal of all attached men, even those who have their partner's consent, as being lying cheats or a liability.

Over and over again women come to the forums complaining that a supposedly single guy has turned out to have a partner. The conventional wisdom on the forums is that's terrible but the solution is to avoid attached guys, even those who have consent, and play with singles. It's just terrible advice. The actual advice, especially on a swinging site, is you should play with guys who can confirm consent. Then you really know you're not messing with someone else's life.

People haven't liked my feather ruffling and nobody has been keen to back me up. So I'll put it back in the box now. So you can all go back to your wishful thinking that single guys are single and writing off all attached men as terrible options is fine and nice. You'll notice, after a while, that this subject goes away entirely. That's because it's Fab's skeleton in the closet. That's a shame because the myth is quite clearly a myth and no one's doing any of the single women on here any favours by pretending it isn't... and the cannibalism of a site intended for swingers lumping attached guys playing with consent into the same bracket as cheats is clearly unjust and ignorant. If anything attached guys playing with consent should be lauded as the essence of what this site is about.

Unfortunately in airing this dirty laundry it's become clear that the only way to avoid this prejudice is to not make one mention of a partner, irregardless of whether you have consent or not. As a result this is likely to mean there'll be even more "single" guys who look single when they aren't. Honesty should be rewarded not scolded. After today I'm starting to think I'd be better off not bothering mentioning my partner. This is what happens when unhealthy myths, advice, and prejudices contribute to your own community. Everything starts to go wrong.

I'll shut up now

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"Today I've ruffled people's feathers over two assumptions"

That's quite assumption that people who post on a thread have had their feathers ruffled

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By *unandbuckCouple
over a year ago

Sheffield


"Today I've ruffled people's feathers over two assumptions

That's quite assumption that people who post on a thread have had their feathers ruffled "

I thought people just hadn't agreed with the being told who to want.

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By *oinfourmilesMan
over a year ago

cork

Men lie for sex ??? NNAA

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By *r_BBW_LoverMan
over a year ago

Swindon


"Today I've ruffled people's feathers over two assumptions

That's quite assumption that people who post on a thread have had their feathers ruffled "

Indeed, I thought everyone who's commented so far has been on their best behaviour. No feathers ruffled from what I've seen. Differing opinions and challenging assumptions, sure... But feathers ruffled..?!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

can't see any 'ruffled feathers' so far,but your original premise has completely skewed numbers for a start..they are very very vague, sound highly inaccurate, and your extrapolation from them is plain ludicrous!..and i think your last post is both ignorant and patronising.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Attached men getting no sex at home are desperate for a shag and super keen and horny.

Attached men playing with consent are already getting sex at home so it will be boring as fuck.

I do sometimes wonder if the consent is just to get him out of her hair, already. "

like your thinking!..you have a very valid point!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Attached men getting no sex at home are desperate for a shag and super keen and horny.

Attached men playing with consent are already getting sex at home so it will be boring as fuck.

I do sometimes wonder if the consent is just to get him out of her hair, already. "

works vice versa too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Had a very loc man messge me the other day sayinh hes single just so happens i no his wife

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Today I've ruffled people's feathers over two assumptions

That's quite assumption that people who post on a thread have had their feathers ruffled

Indeed, I thought everyone who's commented so far has been on their best behaviour. No feathers ruffled from what I've seen. Differing opinions and challenging assumptions, sure... But feathers ruffled..?!?"

Apologies. I should have clarified that I agree this thread has been very well behaved. I've only been called a shit shag on it lol The feather ruffling has happened on another thread that's now closed and trundling off into the Fab sunset... thank goodness

I agree with many of the points on this thread about gaps or problems in my op. It's a shame no one has come forth with a more grounded set of figures and thinking though. Despite my "agenda" (crack of lightening and an evil cackle) I'm genuinely curious about what the actual percentage is... what the risk is that people are taking when they play with "single" guys. It seems a shame that the overall feedback to this is "who cares?" There are lots of people on here looking for drama free fun and some women even looking for love. Wouldn't it be great to be able to give them some kind of realistic assessment of how many "single" guys are single.

I really will shut up now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i find it very easy to spot 'single' men who aren't..as i imagine most women on here are.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

* are able to...

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"The stats are just for the general population. It is obvious to anyone reading, you've twisted them to suit your way of thinking. You want to portray 50% of guys as cheaters, and you as Mr Honest, so people should meet you regardless of their stated preferences.

It might work."

Sorry Last point (damn it man leave it alone). The stats suggest 45% of attached UK males have cheated and 50% of UK citizens are single. This means if we took a 100 man sample of the vanilla world 25 of them would have cheated and 50 would be single. How many men are thinking of cheating and would join a free site to look into the possibility? Who knows. But likely more than 45%. So the ratio of attached males thinking of sex with someone else to single guys is probably worse.

To suggest that I'm twisting the stats to fit an agenda is wholly incorrect. We're I to say that on this NSA swinging site all the single men are single, as you suggested, that really would be some unbelievable twisting to fit an agenda. What I'm doing is accounting for sample bias i.e suggesting that the ratio of cheats to singles on an NSA swinging site will obviously be higher than 25 to 50. That's not statistic twisting. That's just common sense.

The assurance of yours and other posts is that the Fab membership is a self select group who comprise of radically less cheats than the general population. Were this a Christian Dating site I might agree. But it isn't. The assurance that of course there are more men on here because more men are into NSA swinging than women is flawed logic. If 25% of all men are cheats and 50% are single the more men join the more of each we get. It doesn't matter how many more men than women there are.

What matters is how many single guys want NSA sex? Hmm That is a good question. I'd say that's going to be less than 50% as most single guys are looking for a relationship. How many cheats want NSA sex? 100% So clearly the Fab membership is going to be more skewed towards cheats

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So in summary...

Of the 32 million men in the UK, 16 million are single and 8 million are confessed cheats.

How many of those 16 million single men are likely to join an NSA swinging site? 10-60%?

How many of those 8 million cheats are likely to join an NSA swinging site? 100%

Thats probably as grounded an assessment of how many "singles" on here are actually single as you're going to get. At its most optimistic it could be as much as 50%

I think that's the most clear headed note to leave this thread on. I hope it helps someone out there

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I really don't understand all this cheating thing, there are plenty women who are happy to meet attached guys and you can be straight with them, so why try to bring morality into it, I cannot understand why some people are so concerned about other peoples choices and always try to induce people to think and act in a particular way they think is right by labelling them or calling them cheats in a sexually liberated scene, unbelievable.

People should make their own choices about how they choose to live their swinging lives and let it apply solely to them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh he's gone, did his wife catch him?!

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By *rzambiqueMan
over a year ago

Edmonton


"I really don't understand all this cheating thing, there are plenty women who are happy to meet attached guys and you can be straight with them, so why try to bring morality into it, I cannot understand why some people are so concerned about other peoples choices and always try to induce people to think and act in a particular way they think is right by labelling them or calling them cheats in a sexually liberated scene, unbelievable.

People should make their own choices about how they choose to live their swinging lives and let it apply solely to them."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand all this cheating thing, there are plenty women who are happy to meet attached guys and you can be straight with them, so why try to bring morality into it, I cannot understand why some people are so concerned about other peoples choices and always try to induce people to think and act in a particular way they think is right by labelling them or calling them cheats in a sexually liberated scene, unbelievable.

People should make their own choices about how they choose to live their swinging lives and let it apply solely to them."

Or bigots for not wanting to meet attached men?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dunno, maybe I have no morals, but I think people make too much of a big deal about people having sex without their partners knowing.

If they don't find out, no harm done.

If they do, they get the option of leaving the cheating cunts.

Am I wrong?

Then there's the issue of why someone cheats; there's a plethora of reasons; some, I think, are valid reasons. I'm going to stick my neck out and say, some people shouldn't be surprised that their partner looks for sex elsewhere.

Although I've never cheated myself, and was cheated on by my husband for a long time, including a full blown affair, I can understand why people do it, instead of leaving their partner.

I don't let what other people do on here affect me, and I don't care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyone else think the OP is a statistician, working on an article about cheating?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"I dunno, maybe I have no morals, but I think people make too much of a big deal about people having sex without their partners knowing.

If they don't find out, no harm done.

If they do, they get the option of leaving the cheating cunts.

Am I wrong?"

If they don't find out, there may be no harm done, but the cheatee always knows something is wrong. I did, even though I had no proof. And they can't always leave when they do find out, if there are financial reasons, or children.

The OP was cross because he felt maligned for being married but playing away. It doesn't matter that he had wifely approval - if people don't want to play with married people, they won't play with married people. I don't care if they have a permission slip or not.

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By *iforfun999Man
over a year ago

Haverfordwest

Welcome back to Fab, OP, or at least that's what 90% of my instincts tell me that is what you are likely doing, by deleting your existing profile and rejoining under another name, then viewing this topic from a distance. Or is the 10% right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Welcome back to Fab, OP, or at least that's what 90% of my instincts tell me that is what you are likely doing, by deleting your existing profile and rejoining under another name, then viewing this topic from a distance. Or is the 10% right? "

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester


"I reckon a good eighty per cent of alleged single men on here are attached in some way. Think about it. How many men above, say the age of thirty, do you know who don't have a wife, partner or girlfriend. "

Me!

Never been married, no would have me!

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester


"Welcome back to Fab, OP, or at least that's what 90% of my instincts tell me that is what you are likely doing, by deleting your existing profile and rejoining under another name, then viewing this topic from a distance. Or is the 10% right?

"

Wonder how many numbers (statistics) account for people with more than one profile.

Also couples, where each have single profiles too.

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By *nglishdoodMan
over a year ago

Morristown


"Anyone else think the OP is a statistician, working on an article about cheating? "

Since they're UNLOS now you might be right!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What are your thoughts on this? I just did a search for women looking for a 35 year old guy in a 5 mile radius and it returned 5 profiles. The same search, but of guys looking for a 35 year old woman, returned 78 men. If we assume that all 5 women aren't cheating and are genuinely single, can we infer from this that only 5 of these 78 men are also not cheating and that the other 73 is a rough indicator of how many "single" guys, proportionally speaking, are actually attached?

If so this would mean something like 96 out of every 100 "single" men on Fab are attached

Before you balk at that figure remember two things. First, this is an NSA swinging site which mixes a group who have a flagrant disregard for monogamy with another group who want sex without baggage or too many questions. Of course it's going to appeal fairly and squarely to attached men, even if they're just fantasists toying with playing away. And secondly, just because they're attached doesn't mean they're all the same. Some men, like me, genuinely have got their partner's consent and really can confirm it. So as well as the 4% who are genuinely single there's likely to be at least another 4% who have and can prove consent "
63

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By *unforus1965Couple
over a year ago

MIDLANDS


"I really don't understand all this cheating thing, there are plenty women who are happy to meet attached guys and you can be straight with them, so why try to bring morality into it, I cannot understand why some people are so concerned about other peoples choices and always try to induce people to think and act in a particular way they think is right by labelling them or calling them cheats in a sexually liberated scene, unbelievable.

People should make their own choices about how they choose to live their swinging lives and let it apply solely to them."

We certainly agree with people making their choice of how to live their lives, but also that same rule about choices then should apply to the partner? Whether they accept that behaviour or not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

92.36 %

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Statistics show 45% of UK males confess to sexual infidelity. This suggests that in the vanilla population there are half as many cheats as there are genuinely single guys. "

If they cheat they probably lied about the sexual infidelity as well.

I thought the number of women cheaters was about half the men at 20%?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"I really don't understand all this cheating thing, there are plenty women who are happy to meet attached guys and you can be straight with them, so why try to bring morality into it, I cannot understand why some people are so concerned about other peoples choices and always try to induce people to think and act in a particular way they think is right by labelling them or calling them cheats in a sexually liberated scene, unbelievable.

People should make their own choices about how they choose to live their swinging lives and let it apply solely to them.

We certainly agree with people making their choice of how to live their lives, but also that same rule about choices then should apply to the partner? Whether they accept that behaviour or not?"

Some people tend to handle relationships wrongly, when I was younger I had multiple girlfriends at the same time and I made sure all of them knew each other and I told them, this is me, if you don't like it, you are free to leave me , the girls loved my confidence and the fact that I had the balls to tell them straight to the point and to their face. They all stayed and didn't even stress at all, fast foward to the future and here is swinging, same thing.

My point is, don't let anyone corner you into putting their mentality on you with all this cheating or no cheating, or whatever their mentality is,tell them from the gate who you are with regards to relationships and where you stand and let them make up their minds to stay or not , whatever they choose , accept it, you will be free and happy , thats the most important thing.

My female friends act the same way, when you want to go into a relationship with them, they will set all their cards on the table and ask you to choose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I really don't understand all this cheating thing, there are plenty women who are happy to meet attached guys and you can be straight with them, so why try to bring morality into it, I cannot understand why some people are so concerned about other peoples choices and always try to induce people to think and act in a particular way they think is right by labelling them or calling them cheats in a sexually liberated scene, unbelievable.

People should make their own choices about how they choose to live their swinging lives and let it apply solely to them.

We certainly agree with people making their choice of how to live their lives, but also that same rule about choices then should apply to the partner? Whether they accept that behaviour or not?

Some people tend to handle relationships wrongly, when I was younger I had multiple girlfriends at the same time and I made sure all of them knew each other and I told them, this is me, if you don't like it, you are free to leave me , the girls loved my confidence and the fact that I had the balls to tell them straight to the point and to their face. They all stayed and didn't even stress at all, fast foward to the future and here is swinging, same thing.

My point is, don't let anyone corner you into putting their mentality on you with all this cheating or no cheating, or whatever their mentality is,tell them from the gate who you are with regards to relationships and where you stand and let them make up their minds to stay or not , whatever they choose , accept it, you will be free and happy , thats the most important thing.

My female friends act the same way, when you want to go into a relationship with them, they will set all their cards on the table and ask you to choose."

I love that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Anyone else think the OP is a statistician, working on an article about cheating? "

no...his use of made up and spurious "figures" and obvious bias would definitely rule that out...it woukd never stand up to even the gentler if scrutiny...he still clearly thinks that there are 65 million adults in the UK. it was just an elaborate do it stamping that he can't get a fuck...

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