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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

hi all, i'm about to open a hornets nest. i would like to debate the efforts single guys go through to enter clubs. i know the issues faced by guys from being a single guy at clubs for the last thirteen years and being on the other end of the spectrum by working in a club for two years.

my debate is, its sexist. in a whole new world of equality were else in world could you say men pay x amount and women x amount. if you went to watch take that in concert would you have to pay prices based on your sex!

also couples, with gay marriage now legal, would two guys who are attached turned up on a couples only night would they be refused entry? also how would you ask them to prove it and if you did this wouldn't you have to do this for every couple?

just to answer the obvious question that i'm a bitter single guy, your right but you got to admit its a good debate issue!!

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

also couples, with gay marriage now legal, would two guys who are attached turned up on a couples only night would they be refused entry? also how would you ask them to prove it and if you did this wouldn't you have to do this for every couple?

This is a very interesting point OP, well done for raising it! It would be great for club owners to contribute to this thread as well xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"also couples, with gay marriage now legal, would two guys who are attached turned up on a couples only night would they be refused entry?

"
No, they wouldnt, as it is political correctness, another example was a christian hotel, they got sued just cos they said no.

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows

clubs in general are welcoming to all. they have special nights for certain events to attract a different clientale. they are not really prejudicing against anyone.

horses for courses

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"clubs in general are welcoming to all. they have special nights for certain events to attract a different clientale. they are not really prejudicing against anyone.

horses for courses"

very sorry but i disagree!

i looked at a website of a club i have yet to visit on the advice of my single lady friends and there was various things single guys they have to do, couples or ladies just turn uo with i.d!

how isn't that prejudicing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think you raise some very valid points, however clubs are obviously trying to encourage single females, and couples, to avoid having clubs just full of horny single guys!

Perhaps we should look at it as a discount for single fems/couples rather than and extra charge for single males!

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"clubs in general are welcoming to all. they have special nights for certain events to attract a different clientale. they are not really prejudicing against anyone.

horses for courses

very sorry but i disagree!

i looked at a website of a club i have yet to visit on the advice of my single lady friends and there was various things single guys they have to do, couples or ladies just turn uo with i.d!

how isn't that prejudicing?"

Unfortunately, whichever way you look at it, it's a numbers issue. You need to keep the numbers in some kind of proportion based on the event. The simplest way to do this is price, although I'd love to see instead some kind of "dickhead test", but I'm not sure how you'd impliment it....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So do you think all clubs should have equal entry fees and it should be a first come first serve basis for entry to the club no matter how the dynamics of the club should be how would that be good for anyone ?

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By *wingtolifeCouple
over a year ago

who knows


"clubs in general are welcoming to all. they have special nights for certain events to attract a different clientale. they are not really prejudicing against anyone.

horses for courses

very sorry but i disagree!

i looked at a website of a club i have yet to visit on the advice of my single lady friends and there was various things single guys they have to do, couples or ladies just turn uo with i.d!

how isn't that prejudicing?"
as they are private clubs most have membership and sometimes they are closed for further memberships, best thing to do is find one that is accepting membership. sometimes we make spur of the moment outings and arent able to go because we needed to apply sooner

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"clubs in general are welcoming to all. they have special nights for certain events to attract a different clientale. they are not really prejudicing against anyone.

horses for courses

very sorry but i disagree!

i looked at a website of a club i have yet to visit on the advice of my single lady friends and there was various things single guys they have to do, couples or ladies just turn uo with i.d!

how isn't that prejudicing?

Unfortunately, whichever way you look at it, it's a numbers issue. You need to keep the numbers in some kind of proportion based on the event. The simplest way to do this is price, although I'd love to see instead some kind of "dickhead test", but I'm not sure how you'd impliment it...."

Banning skinny jeans would be a start

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple
over a year ago

Basingstoke


"hi all, i'm about to open a hornets nest. i would like to debate the efforts single guys go through to enter clubs. i know the issues faced by guys from being a single guy at clubs for the last thirteen years and being on the other end of the spectrum by working in a club for two years.

my debate is, its sexist. in a whole new world of equality were else in world could you say men pay x amount and women x amount.

"

Car insurance


"

if you went to watch take that in concert would you have to pay prices based on your sex!

also couples, with gay marriage now legal, would two guys who are attached turned up on a couples only night would they be refused entry? also how would you ask them to prove it and if you did this wouldn't you have to do this for every couple?

just to answer the obvious question that i'm a bitter single guy, your right but you got to admit its a good debate issue!!

"

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

Now don't get me wrong, as obviously I am in Aberdeen and we do not have the swingers clubs that you have down south, though I really wish we did.

But the one thing on here that really makes me laugh, is the indignation of men finding for once in their life they have obstacles in their way in life that a woman doesn't face for a change, if god forbid they have to stand in line for membership to enter a club and also have to pay more (hey seeing as you are paid more, why is that an issue?) Sorry joke

As for women deciding who they fuck on here when we have a choice at least tenfold then suck it up buttercup as that is life!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/clubs/626086

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes clubs are biased against men. Just like the whole dating / relationship scene is.

But yeah we've got "male priveledge" apparently

Good luck to you OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some interesting and valid points Op, however we'd have to agree with some of the other posts on this thread. Not regulating the number of single males attending clubs would only result in a room full of honry single males out numbering couples and single females. Much like the state of affairs on fab. Not to tar all with the same brush ofcourse. In our experience (as short lived as it is in comparison to others) the sheer volume of pushy single males on here is incredible. im sure other couples in particular would agree that this would spoil the fun whilst visiting any club. So yeah we'd say that the numbers have to be regulated one way or another.

B&C xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"hi all, i'm about to open a hornets nest. i would like to debate the efforts single guys go through to enter clubs. i know the issues faced by guys from being a single guy at clubs for the last thirteen years and being on the other end of the spectrum by working in a club for two years.

my debate is, its sexist. in a whole new world of equality were else in world could you say men pay x amount and women x amount. if you went to watch take that in concert would you have to pay prices based on your sex!

also couples, with gay marriage now legal, would two guys who are attached turned up on a couples only night would they be refused entry? also how would you ask them to prove it and if you did this wouldn't you have to do this for every couple?

just to answer the obvious question that i'm a bitter single guy, your right but you got to admit its a good debate issue!!

"

So in relation to what you've written, which of your "rights" do you feel have been infringed on?

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Yes clubs are biased against men. Just like the whole dating / relationship scene is.

But yeah we've got "male priveledge" apparently

Good luck to you OP "

The dating/relationship scene is biased against men? Do explain.....

You do know that "male privelidge" means, don't you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You can have equal prices for all without loosing control of numbers/ratios of singles to couples of all descriptions.

Most clubs or events have guests list which are managed by selected individuals or you can set the numbers automatically if they are doing it through something like eventbite.

It is all too easy to use the stereotypes in the swinging scene to make sure you make a profit - which is the primary goal of clubs and events. So, price hiking on single fellas isn't much of an issue on their part: Guys will turn up regardless. Either because they are genuine and want to engage in the scene, they want to meet up with friends at the club or they are the pussy hounds that everyone thinks they are.

Yes, there are very rude, aggressive fellas out there. But this stereotype genuinely needs to be addressed and properly as it isn't fair on the rest of us who can actually thinking, put sentences together or are able to excise self control. (There are other stereotypes out there that need to be knocked on the head too, not just single males, but that's for another day I think).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The dating/relationship scene is biased against men? Do explain....."

Most women dating get hundreds of offers. Most men dating face a struggle. Women generally hold the power and decide on dates, sexual contact, relationships etc. Generally speaking.

Sexually, women can generally get as much as they want. Even the fat ones. Most men can't. Personally I do ok, but have seen many male friends struggle, yet virtually no female friends struggle. If women prefer tall men that's "preference". If men prefer thin women they are "shallow". Then you've got the expectation of men to pay for dates. The expectation of men to propose. And provide. And defend.

Going forwards into the realms of divorce, child custody etc it's all stacked in womens favour again.

That's just off the top of my head. Like virtually all areas of life, women have the priveledge.


"You do know that "male privelidge" means, don't you?"

It's a myth in this day and age. Same as white priveledge.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"You can have equal prices for all without loosing control of numbers/ratios of singles to couples of all descriptions.

Most clubs or events have guests list which are managed by selected individuals or you can set the numbers automatically if they are doing it through something like eventbite.

It is all too easy to use the stereotypes in the swinging scene to make sure you make a profit - which is the primary goal of clubs and events. So, price hiking on single fellas isn't much of an issue on their part: Guys will turn up regardless. Either because they are genuine and want to engage in the scene, they want to meet up with friends at the club or they are the pussy hounds that everyone thinks they are.

Yes, there are very rude, aggressive fellas out there. But this stereotype genuinely needs to be addressed and properly as it isn't fair on the rest of us who can actually thinking, put sentences together or are able to excise self control. (There are other stereotypes out there that need to be knocked on the head too, not just single males, but that's for another day I think). "

Totally agree

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"The dating/relationship scene is biased against men? Do explain.....

Most women dating get hundreds of offers. Most men dating face a struggle. Women generally hold the power and decide on dates, sexual contact, relationships etc. Generally speaking.

Sexually, women can generally get as much as they want. Even the fat ones. Most men can't. Personally I do ok, but have seen many male friends struggle, yet virtually no female friends struggle. If women prefer tall men that's "preference". If men prefer thin women they are "shallow". Then you've got the expectation of men to pay for dates. The expectation of men to propose. And provide. And defend.

Going forwards into the realms of divorce, child custody etc it's all stacked in womens favour again.

That's just off the top of my head. Like virtually all areas of life, women have the priveledge.

"

I honestly don't know what planet you live on.

I don't struggle for dates. I'm not expected to pay when I do have them, the bill is generally split or taken in turns.

I have my preferences - its how you express them possibly.

Are men expected to provide? I have only been married once, and it was an equal partnership. Protect? possibly, but in a physical way, women are expected to protect in an emotional one. Defend? from what? I'm sure we haven't been invaded in my lifetime.

Women ceertainly do not have the privelidge, the balance is slowly being redressed, but we are not yet near equality.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

Unfortunately the government drafted equality laws that has get outs for private clubs, allowing them to operate in ways that other businesses organisations would be rightly penalised for.

Many years after laws were introduced we now see that there is a two tier system of equality - full and none, depending on which type of organisation that you do business with.

If the law was different, we would see clubs comply with it - I hope!

Will we get change in that direction - probably in quite a few years Imo. Sometimes laws change before society is fully accepting and ready - otherwise it can be in reverse. The solution for everything is certainly not lots of laws being created or enforced - but equality laws have been effective at helping to pull a society with lots of hostile views into a more tolerant one, though as a supportive element amongst others.

How clubs would operate, price and succeed in an equal pricing environment is another big question.

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford


"Unfortunately the government drafted equality laws that has get outs for private clubs, allowing them to operate in ways that other businesses organisations would be rightly penalised for.

Many years after laws were introduced we now see that there is a two tier system of equality - full and none, depending on which type of organisation that you do business with.

If the law was different, we would see clubs comply with it - I hope!

Will we get change in that direction - probably in quite a few years Imo. Sometimes laws change before society is fully accepting and ready - otherwise it can be in reverse. The solution for everything is certainly not lots of laws being created or enforced - but equality laws have been effective at helping to pull a society with lots of hostile views into a more tolerant one, though as a supportive element amongst others.

How clubs would operate, price and succeed in an equal pricing environment is another big question. "

I've already offered the solution - a "dickhead test"...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"also couples, with gay marriage now legal, would two guys who are attached turned up on a couples only night would they be refused entry?

No, they wouldnt, as it is political correctness, another example was a christian hotel, they got sued just cos they said no."

It is not 'political correctness'; it is the law; the same kind of laws which permit you to stay in this country

Le Boudoir permit male-male couples who are in a civil partnership, on a couples only night. Thy say so on thier website

Whether they would want to on a night were the majority are heterosexual couples or women, is another matter; but the choice is theirs

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"clubs in general are welcoming to all. they have special nights for certain events to attract a different clientale. they are not really prejudicing against anyone.

horses for courses

very sorry but i disagree!

i looked at a website of a club i have yet to visit on the advice of my single lady friends and there was various things single guys they have to do, couples or ladies just turn uo with i.d!

how isn't that prejudicing?

Unfortunately, whichever way you look at it, it's a numbers issue. You need to keep the numbers in some kind of proportion based on the event. The simplest way to do this is price, although I'd love to see instead some kind of "dickhead test", but I'm not sure how you'd impliment it...."

I've talked before about the idea of a swingers club attached to a regular night club, like a VIP area. The regular club goers go in to the night club and, if you "pull", the "couple" can go through to the playrooms for a nominal fee. If you don't, at least you haven't had to fork out the inflated single male prices to get in in the first place and still had a night out with your mates.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You don't have to be married to be a couple

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By *ppleschnappsCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

I think you are missing the point.

It's supply and demand.

Men are the largest group on here, just as single women are called unicorns because they are rare as rocking horse shit.

Beings couple we gets lots of mail we just delete, three words doesn't constitute a message, nor does it constitute a profile. In a club scene too it's about being different, not lying to say what you think we want hear. The men on here are lazy, as they are in clubs.

If you're a lazy man expect lots of blocks and deleted messages, if you are different you may get the odd hit but you have to expect that, you are the Man Utd fans in a world where the world wants Bristol Rovers fans.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a single guy I respect that I will be treated with a degree of caution as a potential "fuck and go" merchant. I have attended a club and found the women to be chatty and friendly, the younger guys were ok but the older ones ignored me in the main.

It's a lifestyle you need to be around and be known to be accepted. It's got nothing to do with prejudice, in my opinion

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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL


"The dating/relationship scene is biased against men? Do explain.....

Most women dating get hundreds of offers. Most men dating face a struggle. Women generally hold the power and decide on dates, sexual contact, relationships etc. Generally speaking.

Sexually, women can generally get as much as they want. Even the fat ones. Most men can't. Personally I do ok, but have seen many male friends struggle, yet virtually no female friends struggle. If women prefer tall men that's "preference". If men prefer thin women they are "shallow". Then you've got the expectation of men to pay for dates. The expectation of men to propose. And provide. And defend.

Going forwards into the realms of divorce, child custody etc it's all stacked in womens favour again.

That's just off the top of my head. Like virtually all areas of life, women have the priveledge.

You do know that "male privelidge" means, don't you?

It's a myth in this day and age. Same as white priveledge."

Even the fat ones.

Really??

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