FabSwingers.com forum: FAO: Anyone that won't meet married people

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Hi,

Was chatting with a mate and this came up so I thought I'd ask here.

For those fellow fabbers who express a negative preference toward meeting people who are married:

How do you establish the marital status of an intended playmate(s)? Presumably, if it's significant to you, more assurance than someone saying 'I am single' is necessary?

Is 'married but open' a more desirable status than 'engaged/in LTR but other half has no idea' in potential playmates?

We were just wondering how/when/where you draw the line.

Ally x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For us, we don't want to be complicit in adultery, which usually ends up causing pain for at least one innocent person, possibly kids as well.

There's millions of single people out there. Why play with anyone who's taken? It just shows desparation and a lack of morals.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"For us, we don't want to be complicit in adultery, which usually ends up causing pain for at least one innocent person, possibly kids as well.

There's millions of single people out there. Why play with anyone who's taken? It just shows desparation and a lack of morals."

Hi,

Sorry, you've missed the actual question:

How do you establish someone's marital status?

This is not a thread for moralising tbh, enough of them already; we want to know how people make the informed choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We suppose it can be difficult to tell if someone is married in certain situations such as clubs. If a guys profile says cannot accommodate or they tell us they can only meet certain times then it sets alarm bells ringing. As a side not we wouldn't knowingly play with an attached female either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi,

Was chatting with a mate and this came up so I thought I'd ask here.

For those fellow fabbers who express a negative preference toward meeting people who are married:

How do you establish the marital status of an intended playmate(s)? Presumably, if it's significant to you, more assurance than someone saying 'I am single' is necessary?

Is 'married but open' a more desirable status than 'engaged/in LTR but other half has no idea' in potential playmates?

We were just wondering how/when/where you draw the line.

Ally x"

I'm honest with people, I appreciate the same courtesy...trust is a mutual thing.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

On here i would ask outright (usually if i see cannot accom, i will be honest) and (probably naively) expect an honest answer

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

I ask outright if they are married or attached, when/how I meet is usually very difficult for them to lie to their partner if they have one

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By *rNaughtyNickMan
over a year ago

Birmingham

Hi,

Sorry, you've missed the actual question:

How do you establish someone's marital status?

This is not a thread for moralising tbh, enough of them already; we want to know how people make the informed choice.

I tend to ask and take face value their answer.

Tho alarm bells start ringing with regards to excuses of not being able to chat at certain times or unable to organise a social.

But then again this could be down to work schedules, family priorities, lifestyles amd generally being etc..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We ask a single man or woman if they are in a relationship. If they say yes, we ask where their partner is. If they are not in the club, we don't take any chances and move the conversation to something inane before saying that we are going to have a look around and maybe see them later

Other than that, there is little else we can do to establish if the person is really single

Other give-aways are if they are in a rush to get back home; check fingers for tell-tale signs

Having said that, we have only ever meet one single woman in a club; the rest have been couples

= Mrs. J -

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By *targirl1000Woman
over a year ago

Cannock

Unfortunately you can't tell . I won't meet married/attached guys wether they have permission or not . If they say they are single then I have no way of knowing .so if I want to meet them I will .

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

"For us, we don't want to be complicit in adultery, which usually ends up causing pain for at least one innocent person, possibly kids as well.

There's millions of single people out there. Why play with anyone who's taken? It just shows desparation and a lack of morals.

Hi,

Sorry, you've missed the actual question:

How do you establish someone's marital status?

This is not a thread for moralising tbh, enough of them already; we want to know how people make the informed choice.

I ask them directly if they are attached and most who are admit it early on. Those that don't usually give themselves away eventually.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

I think its more about the potential 'danger' isnt it. If you go with a single guy in a club and his mrs finds out hes in a club whats she gonna do? Start a fight with everyone there... if your address is on his mobile phone and she turns up carrying on, you look like an actual 'affair' or whatever you want to call it

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By *olliPineCouple
over a year ago

swingers clubs

We state we won't knowingly play with a married individual if their partner is unaware. We are aware that some married people play with their partner's permission.

However, in answer to your question, if we have met off this site there is usually an exchange of phone numbers - if this is attached to Facebook is pretty easy to find the relationship status of an individual.

If you are invited to a another's home, there's generally a few clues lying around that give it away.

Otherwise, it's as said - knowingly. We don't want to be involved with cheaters. However, can we be absolutely sure - NO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We say on our profile we're not interested in attached guys and we ask blokes who contact us if they are single. Some guys are very honest when asked outright, which we appreciate. Otherwise there are certain things which will ring alarm bells, if we think they're lying we don't meet. It may not be foolproof but my conscience is pretty clear.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks all answers so far!!

From what I see, people are almost more concerned with satisfying their own concerns ("We ask them about their marital status" etc.) than actually preventing hurt to a jilted partner.

If you don't do anything further than ask people then why ask at all?

Honest people won't be cheating, and surely cheaters are already at ease with dishonesty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Hi,

Was chatting with a mate and this came up so I thought I'd ask here.

For those fellow fabbers who express a negative preference toward meeting people who are married:

How do you establish the marital status of an intended playmate(s)? Presumably, if it's significant to you, more assurance than someone saying 'I am single' is necessary?

Is 'married but open' a more desirable status than 'engaged/in LTR but other half has no idea' in potential playmates?

We were just wondering how/when/where you draw the line.

Ally x"

I try not to play with anyone who's attached. One way to establish is to ask the person but literally most of the guys I've met have someone hidden in the background, sometimes I feel like the only single person in the village

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thanks all answers so far!!

From what I see, people are almost more concerned with satisfying their own concerns ("We ask them about their marital status" etc.) than actually preventing hurt to a jilted partner.

If you don't do anything further than ask people then why ask at all?

Honest people won't be cheating, and surely cheaters are already at ease with dishonesty?

How can you prevent hurting a partner you know nothing about, and what else do you suggest people should do? I wouldn't want to hurt an unknowing spouse but not do I want to be on the receiving end of misdirected rage. There are plenty of cheats who are up front about it.

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman
over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"We ask a single man or woman if they are in a relationship. If they say yes, we ask where their partner is. If they are not in the club, we don't take any chances and move the conversation to something inane before saying that we are going to have a look around and maybe see them later

Other than that, there is little else we can do to establish if the person is really single

Other give-aways are if they are in a rush to get back home; check fingers for tell-tale signs

Having said that, we have only ever meet one single woman in a club; the rest have been couples

= Mrs. J -"

Even if they are couples, you have no way of knowing if 1 or both of them are in relationships with other people outside of the club.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Thanks all answers so far!!

From what I see, people are almost more concerned with satisfying their own concerns ("We ask them about their marital status" etc.) than actually preventing hurt to a jilted partner.

If you don't do anything further than ask people then why ask at all?

Honest people won't be cheating, and surely cheaters are already at ease with dishonesty?

But surely if they werent bothered about said partner they wouldn't care to ask the question. It really haunts me to think of some poor woman at home ironing and looking after kids whilst her man is out 'watching the football with the boys' but really hes meeting off here... i want no part in that at all x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Other than that, there is little else we can do to establish if the person is really single

Other give-aways are if they are in a rush to get back home; check fingers for tell-tale signs

Having said that, we have only ever meet one single woman in a club; the rest have been couples

= Mrs. J -

Even if they are couples, you have no way of knowing if 1 or both of them are in relationships with other people outside of the club."

True. But it is easier to establish if they are really a couple or just two people who meet up to meet others. The body language is usually not right. Nothing is fool-proof but we do try

We are not judgemental. But we do not want to be part of the problem where we hurt the unknowing partner; that is all

- Mrs. J -

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

We phrase a question a certain way. Of course it's not foolproof but nothing is.

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By *olliPineCouple
over a year ago

swingers clubs

We've actually turned home from meets when we've found that they are attached.

We just block and move on.

Not sure what else you expect. We could hire a private detective I suppose to check out all potential meets.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Not sure what else you expect. We could hire a private detective I suppose to check out all potential meets. "

That's my point really, the entire 'we don't meet married people' just seems a nod toward morality with none of the hard work.

Anyway, thanks all, insightful

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Go go gadget arm.....

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"Thanks all answers so far!!

From what I see, people are almost more concerned with satisfying their own concerns ("We ask them about their marital status" etc.) than actually preventing hurt to a jilted partner.

If you don't do anything further than ask people then why ask at all?

Honest people won't be cheating, and surely cheaters are already at ease with dishonesty?

So what would you suggest is the best course of action? I would love to know.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We find it's quite easy to find out if someone is single or not.

Singles can generally answer texts in the evening but it's more difficult for someone living with a partner. This isn't proof but a tell tale sign.

Daytime meets can be a give away also and guys who are very rarely free but again not concrete evidence.

Singles not willing to give a number can be another sign, we agree privacy is important but in a day and age of being able to block a contact at the touch of a button there's no real reason for a genuinely single person not to give their number to someone they'd very much like to meet.

80% very easy to out but some are very clever ha!!

We won't play with attached guys whether they say they have permission or not, as that's usually I lie also.

Daisy x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So what would you suggest is the best course of action? I would love to know....."

I don't know, not considered it really.

Either stop with the half-baked attempt at being 'good' and not seeing married/cheating people or relax your stance and let people worry about their own business I suppose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not sure what else you expect. We could hire a private detective I suppose to check out all potential meets.

That's my point really, the entire 'we don't meet married people' just seems a nod toward morality with none of the hard work.

Anyway, thanks all, insightful

xx"

Not at all. We do recognise that there are instances where people look for sex elsewhere. We are all human and have such needs and desires and to judge someone when one is not in thier shoes, in our opinion, is heartless

Having said that, there is potential for the unknowing partner finding out and getting hurt; this is where we have issues with our conscience. It still has nothing to do with taking a moral stance

What would you do?

- Mrs. J -

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

Not sure what else you expect. We could hire a private detective I suppose to check out all potential meets.

That's my point really, the entire 'we don't meet married people' just seems a nod toward morality with none of the hard work.

Anyway, thanks all, insightful

Having said that, there is potential for the unknowing partner finding out and getting hurt; this is where we have issues with our conscience. It still has nothing to do with taking a moral stance

What would you do?

- Mrs. J -"

Not care apparantly? Seen as we are all 'pretending to'

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Having said that, there is potential for the unknowing partner finding out and getting hurt; this is where we have issues with our conscience. It still has nothing to do with taking a moral stance

What would you do?

- Mrs. J -"

Not applicable to me tbh, hence the question x

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I don't know why people are just wasting time, there is no way you can find out if someone is married or not by talking to them in the club, I will also say that some women are not here swing they are here looking for relationships. You can spot them a mile away and it is obvious why they have not been successful all these years.lol

I had a woman tell me she would like to know the address of my house and office, my hobbies, where I hang out etc I said am I looking to swing or looking for a relationship lol

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen

"So what would you suggest is the best course of action? I would love to know.....

I don't know, not considered it really.

Either stop with the half-baked attempt at being 'good' and not seeing married/cheating people or relax your stance and let people worry about their own business I suppose."

Also as I stated, the way I meet tends to get them to confess all anyway, so yes, my selection criteria does help me keep my standards and moral as I like them to be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Having said that, there is potential for the unknowing partner finding out and getting hurt; this is where we have issues with our conscience. It still has nothing to do with taking a moral stance

What would you do?

- Mrs. J -

Not applicable to me tbh, hence the question x"

Ok, sorry; x

- Mrs. J -

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By *irginieWoman
over a year ago

Near Marlborough

In a club I don't ask (don't care)

But if I'm looking to make a cinnection with someone I want them to be available. I use the usual, I ask them them first. Then it's other clues ... accommodate or not, will only come to me never invite me there, daytime meets, texts during day? Night? Weekend? Pays cash not card for dinner. Conversation always about me not them. Gut instinct too.

It's not infallible.

V xxx

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

'Are you married'

'Yes'.

'Sorry not for me. bye'.

Hardly a chore?

Ps. I dont want a relationship in a month of Sundays at the moment

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So what would you suggest is the best course of action? I would love to know.....

I don't know, not considered it really.

Either stop with the half-baked attempt at being 'good' and not seeing married/cheating people or relax your stance and let people worry about their own business I suppose.

Also as I stated, the way I meet tends to get them to confess all anyway, so yes, my selection criteria does help me keep my standards and moral as I like them to be

That approach makes more sense than words on profile tbh.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"'Are you married'

'Yes'.

'Sorry not for me. bye'.

Hardly a chore?

Ps. I dont want a relationship in a month of Sundays at the moment"

No, that's not a chore lol

Neither is it discerning though, hardly seems worth the oxygen x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"'Are you married'

'Yes'.

'Sorry not for me. bye'.

Hardly a chore?

Ps. I dont want a relationship in a month of Sundays at the moment"

Yes, I think that most people, when asked a direct question, cannot lie through their teeth

And we are certainly not looking for a relationship. A friendship, yes

- Mrs. J -

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"'Are you married'

'Yes'.

'Sorry not for me. bye'.

Hardly a chore?

Ps. I dont want a relationship in a month of Sundays at the moment

No, that's not a chore lol

Neither is it discerning though, hardly seems worth the oxygen x"

It got the job done though.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"So what would you suggest is the best course of action? I would love to know.....

I don't know, not considered it really.

Either stop with the half-baked attempt at being 'good' and not seeing married/cheating people or relax your stance and let people worry about their own business I suppose."

in that case why are you worrying about people who don't want to meet married people's business?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

The truth is that the question was asked as if it is gender neutral but the focus is on men.

I would like to say I know married men and women who swing alone and swinging has never ever caused any problems to their marriage.

Infact I think it has made it better cause they are getting all their sexual needs now. I am a fan of married people swinging alone if that be the case , I am not a fan of breaking relationships, having side chics or relationships with other girls or guys on the side

that will blow up the main relationship , so if a woman needs big cocks and swinging gives her big cocks and she is satisfied and will stay in her marriage with her husband I am happy, if a man loves beautiful hot ladies with tight pussy and swinging gives him beautiful younger hot girls and he is satisfied and would now stay with his wife I am happy.

If you are married and can only swing alone, go to the swinging clubs and fuck your brains out, this is very harmless to your partners and finances, fuck and keep your marriage in place.

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By *orum TrollWoman
over a year ago

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you can't, you just gotta be naive and make your own presumptions.

am i committing an offence if he is married, seeing as i am not active in his cheating? no, i'm not.

if i know he's cheating am i implicit? yes, i am.

married but open is an even bigger put off coz there's (potentially) twice the risk of STI infection than with a single guy who gets less sex and isn't with someone who is more likely to be able to get sex. also pregnancy risk becomes more complicated with an already attached person than with a single guy who has no strings to speak of.

just my opinion.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"The truth is that the question was asked as if it is gender neutral but the focus is on men.

I would like to say I know married men and women who swing alone and swinging has never ever caused any problems to their marriage.

If you are married and can only swing alone, go to the swinging clubs and fuck your brains out, this is very harmless to your partners and finances, fuck and keep your marriage in place."

It isn't really about you being happy with it though is it? When it comes down to it it's not up to any of us to say if people who swing without their partners knowledge are right or wrong, that's something for their conscience and ultimately if they find out their partner. The unwitting partner has no choice in the matter...we do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you're that concerned about accidentally meeting a married cheat I would suggest that you don't meet anyone.

Everyone has the capability to lie about something.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"How do you establish someone's marital status?"

It's quite easy but I'm not giving my detective secrets away

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Let me make my point very clear to all the people who say they won't meet married people, of course this is your choice and whatever you decide is fine to me.

1. I am a fan of married people swinging alone because it is harmless to them, partners and family.

2. Swinging breaks the back bone of all the ladies and guys who go about wrecking marriages. We all like and need sex and if swinging gives you this, you will not fall into the trap of these people, because you will get variety at the club.

3. Swinging will reduce divorce, because you have people giving you what you need, you are no longer upset. Don't you see the smiles on the faces of the men and women when they come out of the rooms and they have been seriously fucked in a club, I see it and I like that smile.

This is what swinging is about, nsa harmless fun and that is why I recommend it to my married friends, it is far better than keeping an affair which can develop into problems.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would prefer to only meet genuine singles but there is no way of knowing for sure, people will lie if they really want to so I don't even ask any more.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Let me make my point very clear to all the people who say they won't meet married people, of course this is your choice and whatever you decide is fine to me.

1. I am a fan of married people swinging alone because it is harmless to them, partners and family.

This is what swinging is about, nsa harmless fun and that is why I recommend it to my married friends, it is far better than keeping an affair which can develop into problems.

1 is it still harmless to them, partners and family if they contract chlamydia or genital herpes and pass it on?

2 I'm not sure I understand this point, can you clarify?

3 I don't know if swinging reduces divorce. I don't have statistics but I reckon for every marriage it saves it exposes the cracks in another.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"Let me make my point very clear to all the people who say they won't meet married people, of course this is your choice and whatever you decide is fine to me.

1. I am a fan of married people swinging alone because it is harmless to them, partners and family.

This is what swinging is about, nsa harmless fun and that is why I recommend it to my married friends, it is far better than keeping an affair which can develop into problems.

1 is it still harmless to them, partners and family if they contract chlamydia or genital herpes and pass it on?

2 I'm not sure I understand this point, can you clarify?

3 I don't know if swinging reduces divorce. I don't have statistics but I reckon for every marriage it saves it exposes the cracks in another."

I will explain in the same order babe , wish we could meet but I digress.

1. 95 % of swingers are very

careful, they always use condoms, the chance of sti is very low amoung swingers even though they have more sex. Married people who swing alone mostly use protection.

2. Once you start swinging ,you will see it is just sex no feelings, so if you are married and swinging single ,you are not likely to meet a single person whose intention is to break your Marriage and have you all to themselves. However, if you went to a vanilla club , you will find girls who want a relationship.

3. The way swinging is , ok lets look at a club setting, you come out of a room with one lady and you are immediately talking to the next lady in front of the first lady you just had and because of the swinging rules she has to accept it. People are not personally interested in you when it comes to swinging, they are only sexually interested so they are no risk to a marriage.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

There is a something I have noticed, there are a lot of ladies who have not been successful with guys in the vanilla world, I believe this is purely because of their attitude and refusal to learn how to have a relationship with a man .

They will come on here and get all the attention but when they tilt it to the relationship angle the guys will run away then they will say all the guys are shit.

This is mainly a sexual environment where people fulfil sexual desires , yes relationships happen but it always started with great sex first.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have to assume all single males on here are either in a relationship or are dating. After all, unless they've got a kink for couples, why would a genuinely single guy be on here? What is it? 60% of men cheat? How many men are on here? Why are they on here? It's not rocket science. It's pretty bloomin obvious. And yet I love the way people treat single guys like the US immigration form that asks "are you a terrorist?". I can just imagine the conversation. "Are you a lying cheat?" "Of course not love"

If you have any interest in acting morally on this site the only word that matters is "consent". Either they have it or they don't. If they do then no one's going to get hurt. If they don't then someone may.

But people don't want to hear this. Why? Because they fancy the arse off that young supposedly unattached single guy. It's as simple as that and has absolutely nothing to do with being moral

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So what would you suggest is the best course of action? I would love to know.....

I don't know, not considered it really.

Either stop with the half-baked attempt at being 'good' and not seeing married/cheating people or relax your stance and let people worry about their own business I suppose."

I don't understand why it matters to you how other people choose their meets. As I've said a lot of guys will admit it when asked outright and if they do we just say sorry, not for us. I'm not worrying about other people's business or judging them, but would rather meet single guys where we're not going to be doing any damage. There is no foolproof answer, other than assuming everyone is lying and not meeting.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think in the first instance asking is the most obvious method. Some people will be up front before you ask, some will admit after and others will lie.

As others have said there are often little giveaways, one of which on their own might not suggest deception but two or three together generally will.

No reason to lie. Lots of people are prepared to meet knowing the persons status and are in the same boat themselves. Lying about that breaks any opportunity to build a bond.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no foolproof answer"

Yes there is. Ask and verify if they've got consent. It's utterly foolproof and totally assures you that they really are not cheating.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

For us, it depends on the situation.

If its on here, we look at the profile, there are sometimes clues there, if you look hard enough.

At a party or club its a lot harder, and that's why we tend to only play with guys we know well, or people who friends can vouch for. Its not foolproof, but we do try to avoid anyone who is married and playing without consent if we can.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"Let me make my point very clear to all the people who say they won't meet married people, of course this is your choice and whatever you decide is fine to me.

1. I am a fan of married people swinging alone because it is harmless to them, partners and family.

This is what swinging is about, nsa harmless fun and that is why I recommend it to my married friends, it is far better than keeping an affair which can develop into problems.

1 is it still harmless to them, partners and family if they contract chlamydia or genital herpes and pass it on?

2 I'm not sure I understand this point, can you clarify?

3 I don't know if swinging reduces divorce. I don't have statistics but I reckon for every marriage it saves it exposes the cracks in another.

I will explain in the same order babe , wish we could meet but I digress.

1. 95 % of swingers are very

careful, they always use condoms, the chance of sti is very low amoung swingers even though they have more sex. Married people who swing alone mostly use protection.

You have a very nice view of swinging, it seems youve had good experiences

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"There is no foolproof answer

Yes there is. Ask and verify if they've got consent. It's utterly foolproof and totally assures you that they really are not cheating. "

And, playing devils advocate here, if they are married, but say they aren't, how will you know then?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no foolproof answer

Yes there is. Ask and verify if they've got consent. It's utterly foolproof and totally assures you that they really are not cheating.

And, playing devils advocate here, if they are married, but say they aren't, how will you know then?"

You then assume they're likely to be married and make a decision based on that.

It just flummoxes me that every post in this thread isn't saying the same thing. The only way to know you're not aiding a cheat is to get their partner's consent. It should be common wisdom passed on to others on this site. Instead, whenever this question is asked the response is always "I ask them". It's just such obviously bad advice

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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago

Hereford

"There is no foolproof answer

Yes there is. Ask and verify if they've got consent. It's utterly foolproof and totally assures you that they really are not cheating. "

Consent? Do you want to ring my mum or something?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Married but open is sometimes fine depending on their attitudes to other partners.

You can generally tell. If someone can't accommodate. If someone won't meet in a public place local to them. If someone can only meet strange times. If conversations go dead abruptly. If they have the marks from wedding rings. If they will not allow you to mark their bodies. If they won't go to clubs.

Etc etc.

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By *thwalescplCouple
over a year ago

brecon

"There is no foolproof answer

Yes there is. Ask and verify if they've got consent. It's utterly foolproof and totally assures you that they really are not cheating.

And, playing devils advocate here, if they are married, but say they aren't, how will you know then?

You then assume they're likely to be married and make a decision based on that.

But... and forgive me if I've missed something here... but how can we ask his partner... if he claims to be single?

Short of getting an MI5 style investigation done into his background, there is no way of knowing if Joe Bloggs in a club, or party, is or isn't single.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd prefer not to meet attached people, but I'm not gonna waste my time doing long background checks or anything. At the end of the day it's their relationship that they're risking, so as long as I don't get caught up in it they're gonna do what they're gonna do regardless of whether I'll meet them or not.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm married, I'm cheating, I don't feel horrible or immoral. His sexial appetite AND likes dont match mine so I'm here and having fun.

As for those I meet I prefer if the wife knows, she can even watch if they like but I do meet married men and they usually say they are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"But... and forgive me if I've missed something here... but how can we ask his partner... if he claims to be single?"

If you can confirm his partner's consent then you know for sure you're not aiding a cheat. If you can't it's either because they have no partner or they're cheating so you can't know for sure. What's the probability they're cheating? 50/50? 80/20? Single guys can get sex via loads of dating sites. This site is specifically for no questions asked NSA sex. Wouldn't logic dictate it's demographic is likely to be skewed quite significantly towards attached guys? Without consent the odds are high they're cheating

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

I have no problem with a lady being married and playing single,cause I know am not interested in breaking her marriage, obviously the ladies who are married and saying they will not meet married guys is mainly because they don't want their partners playing behind their backs but this is exactly what their partners are doing lol

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation."

Sometimes though married people think they are just looking for sex but they've confused sex with love. If they get good sex with a person they can very easily mistake the false intimacy that goes with it for love...and that's when the trouble starts.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

An honest lady for once, ladies fear losing their men too much and this makes them really selfish, of course we can all see the competition from the young girls and we know the matured ladies can not match the younger girls when it comes to physical looks but most men are not just looking at the physical when it comes to relationships.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is wonderful to see an insightful man not only know and speak for *all* men here but he also knows what and why *all* women want. The only little matter left is for him to finally get someone to meet him

- Mrs. J -

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

most "people" aren't looking at just the physical when it comes to relationships. I think you might have met some less than secure women in your time though. I also think that good looks don't fade with age, they change for sure but you can be beautiful at any time of your life.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

Well it is impossible for the matured ladies to compete when it comes to looks with the young girls except we want to kid ourselves and now most of these men have everything the young girls want, so yes the fear is real. However, if you are a good woman I don't believe you have anything to fear.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I still won't meet marrieds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older. "

Oh no, I bet you do as most of the women do. The man just said so and he knows what most men and most women feel and want. Listen to him and act accordingly to fall in line with his way of thinking; x

- Mrs. J -

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I understand where our differences of opinion come from now. I don't feel myself to be in competition with other women, older or younger. I'm not really a good woman or a bad woman but I know my own worth.

It's interesting getting another point of view

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By *orrow my wifeCouple
over a year ago

Brighton

"For us, we don't want to be complicit in adultery, which usually ends up causing pain for at least one innocent person, possibly kids as well.

There's millions of single people out there. Why play with anyone who's taken? It just shows desparation and a lack of morals."

lol wow the logic!

Couples playing isn't adultery then ?? Lol

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

"For us, we don't want to be complicit in adultery, which usually ends up causing pain for at least one innocent person, possibly kids as well.

There's millions of single people out there. Why play with anyone who's taken? It just shows desparation and a lack of morals.

lol wow the logic!

Couples playing isn't adultery then ?? Lol

This topic is about singles accounts? If its a couple its clear they have permission to play...

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older. "

I am a practical person and I like to be honest, there is no competition between the younger girls and the older women when it comes to beauty ,this is the honest truth, also when it comes to sexual skills like sucking cock and fucking there is no competition too , the younger girls are more experienced sexually than the more matured ladies. When I say young girl I mean 20 - 29

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

This isn't truth it's opinion. What you say can't apply to every woman. On balance I would agree that the majority of men would prefer a younger woman for casual sex though, I accept and understand that, it doesn't make me fearful and insecure though.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

That's fine but am just stating the truth, I always face the truth as I believe the worst thing anyone can do is lie to themselves

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

This is going in circles...

"If they say they arent married/relationship how will you know they arent"

Well you won't, but thats a moot point. Youre choosing to meet on the information you've provided with... their word... are you CHOOSING to meet a married person? No. Youve made an informed choice to meet this (to your knowledge) singleton, so no wrongs have been done on your part. Its simple really isnt it.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman
over a year ago

Yorkshire

How can a 20yo be more 'sexually experienced' than a woman of say, 45?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"There is no foolproof answer

Yes there is. Ask and verify if they've got consent. It's utterly foolproof and totally assures you that they really are not cheating. "

How is that foolproof, you cannot verify someone who is 'single' unless you don't meet them!

Q. Hello single man are you attached?

A. No I'm not.

A. I can also chat when you want to, have no wedding band marks, am flexible with my time etc etc etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is going in circles...

"If they say they arent married/relationship how will you know they arent"

There's another 90 posts of circles to go yet. Hold tight

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

That's fine but am just stating the truth, I always face the truth as I believe the worst thing anyone can do is lie to themselves "

Well, it's interesting reading your truth, its different to mine but as with everything that's down to our individual experiences.

I do agree that the worst thing anyone can do is lie to themselves which in a way, brings us back to the original purpose of the thread.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I explained that a core reason why a lot of married women would not meet men who are married is because they don't want their partners doing the same and its because they know they can't compete with the young girls on the scene, this fear is real and I accept it , there is no point dodging the truth no matter how bitter.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"How can a 20yo be more 'sexually experienced' than a woman of say, 45? "

It's possible.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I explained that a core reason why a lot of married women would not meet men who are married is because they don't want their partners doing the same and its because they know they can't compete with the young girls on the scene, this fear is real and I accept it , there is no point dodging the truth no matter how bitter."

So when you mentioned lying to yourself, you think I'm lying to myself when I say I don't feel the way you're describing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In my experience, attached men are only too happy to admit it if asked. If you then go along with it, it makes you complicit in their cheating, I guess. They can share their guilt with you and their actions are condoned if you're still willing to fuck them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

Hilarious! So those older ladies were never 20- 29 years old? Where they asleep during those years so failed to gain experience that the younger ladies now have? What utter bullshit! Only on fab!

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"For us, we don't want to be complicit in adultery, which usually ends up causing pain for at least one innocent person, possibly kids as well.

There's millions of single people out there. Why play with anyone who's taken? It just shows desparation and a lack of morals.

Hi,

Sorry, you've missed the actual question:

How do you establish someone's marital status?

This is not a thread for moralising tbh, enough of them already; we want to know how people make the informed choice.

I ask them directly if they are attached and most who are admit it early on. Those that don't usually give themselves away eventually."

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

Hilarious! So those older ladies were never 20- 29 years old? Where they asleep during those years so failed to gain experience that the younger ladies now have? What utter bullshit! Only on fab!"

As I said am a practical person , for some reason , maybe as a result of technology this is the case , you cannot compare those days and today, I have had both groups multiple times and this is the truth , I am simpy saying what I noticed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wonder what the reason is when a couple mutually decide not to play with a married man or a married woman whose partner is unaware of thier extra-marital sex. That they fear getting seduced by a younger alien couple?

The 'truth' is hilarious and fun to read

- Mrs. J -

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I am not here to argue with anyone am just stating what I noticed on the scene and relating it to the topic, you cannot even begin to imagine what the young girls of today can do sexually but believe me I speak as a man and I tell you no lie, there is no competition.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I spray them with luminol and shine ultraviolet light on them.

If they're married their tears show up.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

Me neither...quite frankly I am not defined by what men think of me. I don't think all women are the same or all men.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I am not here to argue with anyone am just stating what I noticed on the scene and relating it to the topic, you cannot even begin to imagine what the young girls of today can do sexually but believe me I speak as a man and I tell you no lie, there is no competition. "

I'm glad you're enjoying your sex life. Long may it continue.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

Hilarious! So those older ladies were never 20- 29 years old? Where they asleep during those years so failed to gain experience that the younger ladies now have? What utter bullshit! Only on fab!

Yeh fella. I reckon your random sample maybe slightly flawed but thats for the laugh before breakfast time.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I'm glad you're enjoying your sex life. Long may it continue. "

Most of his veri's are from older rather than younger

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

What am saying is this, if a married woman in a couple says she wil not meet a married man, a strong possibility is she does not want to give her husband the go ahead to go out and meet other women without her, she knows what is out there and the fear is real, I can accept that cause its the truth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shhh; let the sex-guru continue on behalf of most of the men and women here. Where else can one read such comedy gold?

- Mrs. J -

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"What am saying is this, if a married woman in a couple says she wil not meet a married man, a strong possibility is she does not want to give her husband the go ahead to go out and meet other women without her, she knows what is out there and the fear is real, I can accept that cause its the truth."

We meet as singles and together. He is not mine and I am not his - not all relationships are the same especially on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You are a woman and therefore you "can accept that cause its the truth???

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

People always tend to try to make things personal when anyone speaks the truth and it hits them, what has it got to with me,do you think its only people on fab I meet lol look no matter how bitter the truth is, it will always remain the truth whether you accept it or reject it.

Also its not everyone that is into verification or even on fab this is what I have noticed on the scene.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"People always tend to try to make things personal when anyone speaks the truth and it hits them, what has it got to with me,do you think its only people on fab I meet lol look no matter how bitter the truth is, it will always remain the truth whether you accept it or reject it.

Also its not everyone that is into verification or even on fab this is what I have noticed on the scene."

I think James its because you're claiming that your opinion (to which you are entitled) is the truth. It isn't any more than mine is.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If that is the kind of insecure person one is then it must be the truth to them. Reality is that some people are in secure relationships and do not worry 24/7 about what their partner may be doing or who they might be speaking with or whatever

Unfortunately, if one is an insecure personality then they are constantly worried when their wife/girlfriend even looks at a better looking/taller/younger/fitter man than themselves. And they then project that insecurity onto others as that is all they have ever experienced

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My wife works behind a bar, amongst other things.

She gets propositioned hourly from men, some of who are way more attractive than me. Some of who she freely admits she fancies and a few that get we really excited, such as the 25 yr old she was sat on the knee of.

I'm just proud to be married to such and attractive lady and I find their advances and her reaction quite exciting.

No fear of losing her. We're in love.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab."

That question answers itself, what have the older guys got to fear ? Are most of the young guys in a position to give the ladies everything she wants beyond good sex? How many women leave a stable marriage with abundance to an unstable condition just because of good sex? If the young guys are in this position they will definitely pick a young girl by default. So yes I agree with these women cause I know the fear of the younger girl is real.

I am examining the topic , applying critical thinking and seeing clear ground through muddy waters. Trying to see why there is a pattern of behavior.

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

This thread doesn't apply to me but I've skim read it anyway.

Some people think they know it all. Thanks for the giggles on this lovely Friday morning

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab.

I am examining the topic , applying critical thinking and seeing clear ground through muddy waters. Trying to see why there is a pattern of behavior."

Am I to understand that an older man has nothing to fear from his wife meeting younger men because he is able to provide for her materially?

I think everything you've said is true in some cases but not all. There are many men and women on fab who are meeting without their partners knowledge. I believe that what keeps them in a marriage which they often claim to be sexually unfulfilling, is material comfort but that's frequently provided by both partners.

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

"Shhh; let the sex-guru continue on behalf of most of the men and women here. Where else can one read such comedy gold?

- Mrs. J -"

He established himself as a guru when he made this statement on another thread:

"I do very very well with the ladies on my own so much that I give some of the couples in the club to my friends to play because I can't satisfy everybody"

Watch out couples!

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I am not here to argue with anyone, niether am I claiming to know anything or taking it personally ,critical thinking is a strong thing , why would a lady who is married refuse to see another man who is married except they be with their partner, even though her husband approves ,perfectly harmless situation , people will tell you a or b and they have given a reason and defended their position, but when you apply critical thinking you will see clear ground through muddy waters.

I just state what I believe is the truth and that is the fear of the younger women as regards their ability to take a present partner is real, this is one explanation.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Shhh; let the sex-guru continue on behalf of most of the men and women here. Where else can one read such comedy gold?

- Mrs. J -

He established himself as a guru when he made this statement on another thread:

"I do very very well with the ladies on my own so much that I give some of the couples in the club to my friends to play because I can't satisfy everybody"

Watch out couples!

I am now terrified that my husband is not coming back home to me. He might have met this young pretty thing at Starbucks and they will be riding into to the sunset together, at sunset. I am not only an older woman, but I am 4 years older than him; I am a hopeless case

Slash, wrists

- now just Ms. J -

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

I don't think people understand what a forum is or its purpose , this is a place where you can learn, as I said am not here to argue with anyone and I don't see why people should take a point of view personally and result to childish behaviour. Also I don't understand why people try to frame other peoples narrative.

If you don't agree with a point of view, defeat that point intellectually .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am not here to argue with anyone, niether am I claiming to know anything or taking it personally ,critical thinking is a strong thing , why would a lady who is married refuse to see another man who is married except they be with their partner, even though her husband approves ,perfectly harmless situation , people will tell you a or b and they have given a reason and defended their position, but when you apply critical thinking you will see clear ground through muddy waters.

I just state what I believe is the truth and that is the fear of the younger women as regards their ability to take a present partner is real, this is one explanation."

It's more likely, however, that many people would rather play with people who aren't cheating so they don't inadvertently get dragged into the mess cheating can bring.

Secondly, swinging couples are often in very special, very secure relationships with a strong level of trust. Swinging is supposed to be fun. An exciting addition to our sex lives. Cheating people are often in bad relationships and many of us find that taints the fun.

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By *ussexsocialMan
over a year ago

Billingshurst

We try not to meet married/attached guys normally there are give always as already stated, only meeting certain times, not being able to accomadate and not answering texts in the evenings. The reason we prefer not to meet them is the fact we've had two bad experiences when we first delved into the fab world of swinging ( the first time, we were stalked on Facebook, threats were made to send our children the pics and messages, knocks at the door, turning up at our work, even though she could see we asked if he was single) it's not fun

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I just state what I believe is the truth and that is the fear of the younger women as regards their ability to take a present partner is real, this is one explanation.

It's more likely, however, that many people would rather play with people who aren't cheating so they don't inadvertently get dragged into the mess cheating can bring.

I'd agree with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't think people understand what a forum is or its purpose , this is a place where you can learn, as I said am not here to argue with anyone and I don't see why people should take a point of view personally and result to childish behaviour. Also I don't understand why people try to frame other peoples narrative.

If you don't agree with a point of view, defeat that point intellectually ."

I am desperately trying to find something intellectual about your point of view

You say that a younger woman would not leave her husband because she is financially dependant on him. That may have been true in the 18th century but in the 21st century, all the women I know are financially independent. A couple of them earn more than double of what their husbands make. They are highly educated, intelligent professionals

But unlike yourself, I would not make a statement that most women are in this or that position and claim it to be the 'truth'

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab.

I am examining the topic , applying critical thinking and seeing clear ground through muddy waters. Trying to see why there is a pattern of behavior.

Am I to understand that an older man has nothing to fear from his wife meeting younger men because he is able to provide for her materially?

This is one line of thought and I think it's correct based on my experiences , it is not meant to be taken personally but it is how I would think , I am practical and I always accept truth , if you meet me you will see am a very sweet guy and down to earth , however I will always speak what I believe to be true. I don't take things personally there is no point. I also do not mean to offend or engage in any arguments, if my you believe my point is incorrect, there is no reason to result to childish behaviour.Simply defeat the point intellectually .

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab.

I am examining the topic , applying critical thinking and seeing clear ground through muddy waters. Trying to see why there is a pattern of behavior.

Am I to understand that an older man has nothing to fear from his wife meeting younger men because he is able to provide for her materially?

I believe that I have countered your arguments respectfully with my own opinions and experiences without resorting to childish behaviour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't agree with a point of view, defeat that point intellectually .

I am desperately trying to find something intellectual about your point of view

But unlike yourself, I would not make a statement that most women are in this or that position and claim it to be the 'truth'"

I so have "you can't handle the truth" in my head now.

Bloody films, eh.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

If you don't agree with a point of view, defeat that point intellectually .

I am desperately trying to find something intellectual about your point of view

But unlike yourself, I would not make a statement that most women are in this or that position and claim it to be the 'truth'"

This is a case where you are trying to frame my narrative and this is something that is not in line with ethics of any debate, meaning you twist what I say to pacify a particular audience.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab.

I am examining the topic , applying critical thinking and seeing clear ground through muddy waters. Trying to see why there is a pattern of behavior.

Am I to understand that an older man has nothing to fear from his wife meeting younger men because he is able to provide for her materially?

I believe that I have countered your arguments respectfully with my own opinions and experiences without resorting to childish behaviour."

Of course and I have much respect for your debating skills

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you don't agree with a point of view, defeat that point intellectually .

I am desperately trying to find something intellectual about your point of view

But unlike yourself, I would not make a statement that most women are in this or that position and claim it to be the 'truth'

This is a case where you are trying to frame my narrative and this is something that is not in line with ethics of any debate, meaning you twist what I say to pacify a particular audience. "

No, it is not; that is exactly what you implied in your earlier comment and stated that it is the 'truth'

I, on the other hand, would not take my experiences and apply those to most of the population and claim that to be the 'truth'. At best, it would be just what I have witnessed but will acknowledge that there are infinite scenarios which do not match with my experiences; to claim otherwise, would be childish

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do you think men might feel the same way about their wife meeting alone? There are some beautiful younger men on fab.

I am examining the topic , applying critical thinking and seeing clear ground through muddy waters. Trying to see why there is a pattern of behavior."

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

My point is clear, I said one reason why a lady might act like this is because she does not want to give her partner the green light that this behavior is acceptable because of the fear of the younger women should her partner go out without her.

Looking at it from the angle of the men I said the older guys have nothing to fear based on calculations that the younger guy who might be able to replace him ,is most likely to pick a younger girl too.

All this is one line of thought which I believe to be true.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

If you don't agree with a point of view, defeat that point intellectually .

I am desperately trying to find something intellectual about your point of view

But unlike yourself, I would not make a statement that most women are in this or that position and claim it to be the 'truth'

This is a case where you are trying to frame my narrative and this is something that is not in line with ethics of any debate, meaning you twist what I say to pacify a particular audience.

No, it is not; that is exactly what you implied in your earlier comment and stated that it is the 'truth'

I am the author of my thoughts and hereby state that your interpretation of my thoughts is wrong.

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Luckily you already stated that your deduction is an implication of my thoughts so I hereby state that what you have interpreted is wrong and false .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My point is clear, I said one reason why a lady might act like this is because she does not want to give her partner the green light that this behavior is acceptable because of the fear of the younger women should her partner go out without her.

All this is one line of thought which I believe to be true."

No, that is not what you said and that is why I quoted you again to refresh your memory. You talked about financial dependency

You 'believing' something to be the true does not make it a universal truth nor does it apply in most cases. I think that is a fundamental error you are making in all of your comments. At best it is just your opinion based on your limited expereince just as my posts are just my opinion based on my experiences; I haven't experienced everything for the entire planet

Unfortunately you are coming across as a 'know-it-all' and telling women how they feel. Even as a woman, I do not know how other women feel, so how could you possibly have a clue

I have very little insight into how men feel; at best, I have some insight into how my husband feels. Looks like you are speaking for him too

- Mrs. J -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

How do you establish the marital status of an intended playmate(s)? Presumably, if it's significant to you, more assurance than someone saying 'I am single' is necessary?

Is 'married but open' a more desirable status than 'engaged/in LTR but other half has no idea' in potential playmates?

We just ask if it seems like they may be. So far people have been honest (probably).

For us married but open is fine, but cheating right out (even if not actually married).

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

This is what am saying please stop trying to frame my narrative. To be honest we dont have to engage in any conversation as you can see I have not replied directly to you in this response .

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I just state what I believe is the truth and that is the fear of the younger women as regards their ability to take a present partner is real, this is one explanation."
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I think you are confusing some of us with conventional relationships. In our partnership I provide for myself materially, we live apart - he owns nothing except his bikes and car. Whilst I have money, property and status. If he decides he wants a younger woman so be it. I may decide I want a much younger man than him. There is much more to relationships than you think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow what a load of useless chaff on this thread since I last posted

Here's the problem/prejudice in a nutshell. Heavenscentit writes...

"I still won't meet marrieds

Then Heavenscentit writes...

"We meet as singles and together. He is not mine and I am not his - not all relationships are the same especially on here. "

This means they themselves, as singles, must meet people who don't share their prejudice, people who, ironically, recognise that not all relationships are the same and that "marrieds" playing with consent are a far better option than either "marrieds" playing without or the unknowns of "singles"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

People don't leave happy and fulfilling relationships.

That's it. That's all there is. It's not about competition or physicality. If someone is happy in their relationship then they won't go outside the boundaries of their relationship. If they aren't happy, then they will.

I don't want to meet people who aren't happy in their relationship. I want them to do something about their source of unhappiness and *then* meet me.

Not because I want a relationship, just because I prefer to meet people who have the confidence to make those kinds of decisions in their life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If someone is happy in their relationship then they won't go outside the boundaries of their relationship. If they aren't happy, then they will."

This is another meme on Fab I'm highly suspicious of. Sometimes people just make mistakes. Sometimes what's on offer is simply too irresistible. Sometimes happy people are arrogant selfish jerks. This idea that as long as you keep your partner happy you're safe just feels like naive, possibly bad, advice. Far better to be mindful of how you're both playing, what risks are involved, how to mitigate them, and to develop a somewhat forgiving attitude if things go wrong once in a while. As long as you're committed to each other, keep communicating, and are happy to work things through... this seems like a far better approach than trying to keep them happy and hoping for the best

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over a year ago

I'm pretty good at doing my research now. Usually they give away something that means I can do enough digging to find out their real situation. I have no problem meeting attached men if they have their partners permission but just saying they have permission isn't good enough. Again, evidence of their partner being ok with it is needed by either talking to their partner or seeing verifications etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This idea that as long as you keep your partner happy you're safe just feels like naive, possibly bad, advice. Far better to be mindful of how you're both playing, what risks are involved, how to mitigate them, and to develop a somewhat forgiving attitude if things go wrong once in a while. As long as you're committed to each other, keep communicating, and are happy to work things through... this seems like a far better approach than trying to keep them happy and hoping for the best "

I don't try to keep my partner(s) happy. They are either happy, or they are not. And those are generally circumstances far beyond my control.

If they cheat on me then they weren't happy with what we had and they weren't adult enough to discuss the problem with me. I don't see why you would want someone like that in your life because they clearly have absolutely no respect for you.

You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with. Everyone has a choice, everyone must consent, everyone considers the choices they are making and the consent that they are giving. And if they're not it's sexual assault - and that's a whole different kettle of fish.

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

"Hi,

Was chatting with a mate and this came up so I thought I'd ask here.

For those fellow fabbers who express a negative preference toward meeting people who are married:

How do you establish the marital status of an intended playmate(s)? Presumably, if it's significant to you, more assurance than someone saying 'I am single' is necessary?

Is 'married but open' a more desirable status than 'engaged/in LTR but other half has no idea' in potential playmates?

We were just wondering how/when/where you draw the line.

Ally x"

We won't see guys that can't accommodate. That filters out most of the marrieds.

nb. I'm not saying that everyone that can't accommodate is married.

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By *ackDMissMorganCouple
over a year ago

Halifax

There are giveaways when someone is cheating,ie daytime meets,cant accom and having no pics on profile or discretion mentioned a few times.In most cases its not hard to work it out really,if we were in any doubt that someone was single we wouldnt meet.

With regards to clubs,we mainly chat here and arrange to meet couples there ,i know its not 100 percent foolproof but cuts out alot of risk.

Miss

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By *elrose57Couple
over a year ago

reading

married single its not just the men that cheat you know many woman do aswell, and what they get up to and with who is up to them, one of our regualr guys was and still is married, the only down side was it was hard to arrange meets with him, also a lot of married guys are in a sexless marrage, after there wives have had a family, so maybe we are helping to keep them married,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with."

Yeah I just disagree with that... or rather distrust it. It just sounds too simplistic and ideal worldy. I think you'd be surprised by the amount of people who slipped up and mistakenly had sex with someone. As I know you know... sexual monogamy simply isn't innate in us and there's very little that feels wrong while it's happening (at least in a swinging setting there isn't). This isn't exactly conclusive proof but it does make me wary of advising people that they can totally relax if their marriage is happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't ask because I don't care. It annoys me more if they tell me- then it's 99% certain I won't meet them. It's their problem not mine.

Can't stand when people whine about it or try and justify it. Just get on with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

How can you mistakenly have sex with someone?

"While reading the paper I accidentally fell on his cock. Oopsie."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

How can you mistakenly have sex with someone?

"While reading the paper I accidentally fell on his cock. Oopsie.""

I don't know if you've ever felt it but sometimes sexual chemistry can be incredibly intoxicating... and so can alcohol. Put the two together and next thing you know you're kissing and, for most non swingers, there'd be the sense "oh f*ck I've already crossed the line... I may as well go the rest of the way". I should add... This hasn't happened to us but it doesn't take a great leap of the imagination to see how it could. It's always better to be humble about these things as life has the habit of turning around and biting complacent people in the arse

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

I don't think you can have sex by mistake but I do think that you can realise that the decision to have sex was a mistake. I'm cautious when it comes to suggesting that the decision to have sex is out of our hands. The times I've heard someone who regrets having sex with someone say "we had a couple of drinks and the inevitable happened". It wasn't inevitable, they took decisions that any self aware adult knew perfectly well would put them in a position where sex was possible. The same applies to sex by mistake in my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

I think flirting makes the world go round and most people think they can go to the cliff edge and have a look over it. Go out to drinks with my sexy work colleague tonight? Why sure! What they don't realise is that it isn't a cliff it's a niagara falls and you suddenly find yourself sucked over the edge when you only meant to take a wee peek

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

I'm a big believer in taking responsibility for my actions. If I went out with my sexy colleague (I'd need to change jobs to find one first) and put myself and him in a position that led to us having sex I wouldn't call it having sex by mistake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

How can you mistakenly have sex with someone?

"While reading the paper I accidentally fell on his cock. Oopsie."

Perhaps it's a good reason to educate people about consent - so that they stop and think before fucking people?

Hey look at that! Consent improves marriages!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You don't just mistakenly slip and end up having sex with someone you're not supposed to have sex with.

I agree.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't care what people's relationship is.it's not our issue. We don't ask and we know want to know

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"We don't care what people's relationship is.it's not our issue. We don't ask and we know want to know "

Thanks guys, this is my position too, I don't understand where most of these ladies are getting all these moral high grounds from, I don't see the guys saying if the ladies are married they won't meet them, partner or no partner, by normal society standards, these ladies should be sleeping with their husbands only and nobody else and should not be swinging at all.

So why are they defending this position so seriously,

this leads me to believe there is something disturbing them beyond just refusing the married guys and if you apply critical thinking you will see they don't want their guys sleeping with any other woman at all. Plus they don't want to encourage their own husbands to meet other women without their knowledge out of fear of losing them but they want to fuck other cocks as long as they determine the cocks are single , how selfish is this attitude? The know their guys are married so fall into the marriage category by default, if they meet another married couple that is safe cause there is safety in the fact they are married. They will probably pick a couple with a lady not as beautiful as they are but their men cannot meet a single girl without their knowledge because it is cheating, however, they can fuck any guy as long as they determine he is not married , can you see the game they are playing and how selfish people are.

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

"We don't care what people's relationship is.it's not our issue. We don't ask and we know want to know

So why are they defending this position so seriously,

So any woman who morally rejects a man is defective with issues?

Please Guru James, stop calling it swinging. You shag casually. That is all.

Swingers shag ethically/with a connection/pick and choose/with trust/honestly.

You are hijacking the term and using it to define your macho narcissistic need to feel like no woman should say no to you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't care what people's relationship is.it's not our issue. We don't ask and we know want to know

So why are they defending this position so seriously,

You crack me up.

I smell vanilla.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"these ladies should be sleeping with their husbands only and nobody else and should not be swinging at all.."

Ah. I see your mistake.

You think all the women here are married.

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over a year ago

" They will probably pick a couple with a lady not as beautiful as they are but their men cannot meet a single girl without their knowledge because it is cheating, however, they can fuck any guy as long as they determine he is not married , can you see the game they are playing and how selfish people are."

They can't both be uglier than the other one.

What about the single women who won't fuck married guys?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

They can't both be uglier than the other one.

What about the single women who won't fuck married guys? "

Thats cool I actually believe these girls are doing it for genuine reasons or it might be they are hoping to find a guy they want to be in a relationship with, it can be either of these things I think

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They can't both be uglier than the other one.

What about the single women who won't fuck married guys?

So swingers who are married aren't genuine.

But single people are genuine.

What about people who are in relationships but not married?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"We don't care what people's relationship is.it's not our issue. We don't ask and we know want to know

So why are they defending this position so seriously,

So any woman who morally rejects a man is defective with issues?

Please Guru James, stop calling it swinging. You shag casually. That is all.

Swingers shag ethically/with a connection/pick and choose/with trust/honestly.

You are hijacking the term and using it to define your macho narcissistic need to feel like no woman should say no to you. "

You are so eager for my attention, I didn't want to reply you but you keep framing my narrative and I don't like that, I am so not interested in you, to the extent that I have not even looked at your profile , I am not interested , ask publicly and I might consider you if you are qualified to have me,we are only having a debate not arguing , so please stop throwing cheap shots . I am not moved by your ass and pussy it has no effect on me.

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

"We don't care what people's relationship is.it's not our issue. We don't ask and we know want to know

So why are they defending this position so seriously,

So any woman who morally rejects a man is defective with issues?

Please Guru James, stop calling it swinging. You shag casually. That is all.

Swingers shag ethically/with a connection/pick and choose/with trust/honestly.

You are hijacking the term and using it to define your macho narcissistic need to feel like no woman should say no to you.

Hahahahahahaha you are comedy gold. Why don't you start a thread about how much you're not interested in me then more people will see it

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

They can't both be uglier than the other one.

What about the single women who won't fuck married guys?

So swingers who are married aren't genuine.

But single people are genuine.

What about people who are in relationships but not married?"

Babe I like your debating skills and point of view but I don't want you to frame my narrative.

We are talking about female swingers that will not meet married men, they might be single or married, those female swingers that said they will not meet married men said its cheating without having his partners consent but they are happy to meet single guys.

We are examining their thought process and extracting reasons behind their positions beyond what they have stated.

So when you say swingers who are married are not genuine this is framing my narrative and not even close to what we are talking about.

In terms of people in a relationship , married or partners all fall into one category we are trying to examine the real reason behind their position of not wanting male swingers who are married and play single beyond the reasons they have stated. Debunk my thoughts intellectually , so we can all learn thats what a forum is about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What Guru James has failed to grasp is that women like myself have no issue with their husband having sex with any woman seperatly from me. It is his choice not to have sex with a married woman whose partner is unaware of what she is doing

Similarly, I choose not to have sex with a married man if his partner does not know what he is up to

We decided this for ourselves after a lot of soul-searching. Whilst we realise that there are many reasons why people seek sex out of their relationship where they do not have their partner's consent, we neither wish to become embroiled in the inevitable fallout, nor do we want to be the cause of hurt to the unknowing partner

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

"What Guru James has failed to grasp is that women like myself have no issue with their husband having sex with any woman seperatly from me. It is his choice not to have sex with a married woman whose partner is unaware of what she is doing

Similarly, I choose not to have sex with a married man if his partner does not know what he is up to

Fair comment,now you are sounding like you are on my page apart from calling me Guru James and speaking on your partners behalf lol. No guy on this forum has said they will not meet a woman because she is married and playing without her husbands consent only the ladies said this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Similarly, I choose not to have sex with a married man if his partner does not know what he is up to

Now you are 'framing' me but I don't mind as it is called quoting a relevant post and makes reading a thread, easier

Actually, many men, including my husband, hold those sentiments as it is stated by them on numerous threads

I am not "speaking on my partner's behalf". I am stating his declared stance on this issue

And as stated by me earlier, my partner has my blessings if he wishes to have sex with another woman when I am not there. Infact, he has on one occasion done exactly that. I cannot remember if she was older than me, younger than me or shared the birthdate with me. I know who she was because it was me who 'negotiated' the encounter as we had already met her in a club once

But I don't claim to know what every other woman feels about sharing her partner with another woman. I can only suspect that those who feel secure in their relationship will probably not have an issue

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

"Wow what a load of useless chaff on this thread since I last posted

Here's the problem/prejudice in a nutshell. Heavenscentit writes...

I still won't meet marrieds

Then Heavenscentit writes...

We meet as singles and together. He is not mine and I am not his - not all relationships are the same especially on here.

No...I as the female do not meet marrieds, we are not married to each other or anybody else.

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

Why would I want to fuck married men ? I didn't want to fuck my own in the end and got rid of him.

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

Similarly, I choose not to have sex with a married man if his partner does not know what he is up to

Now you are 'framing' me but I don't mind as it is called quoting a relevant post and makes reading a thread, easier

Actually, many men, including my husband, hold those sentiments as it is stated by them on numerous threads

I am not "speaking on my partner's behalf". I am stating his declared stance on this issue

There is no point...he is determined to find an ulterior motive for women who won't meet cheaters, he said it himself earlier.

He wants to delve into the psyche of "these women", but can't handle us delving into his. To me, this screams of someone constantly looking for a reason other than himself of why a woman rejects him.

Oh and yeah yeah you've not looked my profile, my pussy doesn't interest you bla bla..

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Similarly, I choose not to have sex with a married man if his partner does not know what he is up to

Not so, some men do as well.

I also avoid married men by meeting people who can accomm at their home, so I can see there is no wife hiding in the wardrobe!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" ...

Now you are 'framing' me but I don't mind as it is called quoting a relevant post and makes reading a thread, easier

Actually, many men, including my husband, hold those sentiments as it is stated by them on numerous threads

I am not "speaking on my partner's behalf". I am stating his declared stance on this issue

There is no point...he is determined to find an ulterior motive for women who won't meet cheaters, he said it himself earlier.

He wants to delve into the psyche of "these women", but can't handle us delving into his. To me, this screams of someone constantly looking for a reason other than himself of why a woman rejects him.

Oh and yeah yeah you've not looked my profile, my pussy doesn't interest you bla bla..

I think you may be right. That kind of stance comes from preconceived notions and those may be formed after a failed relationship where one gets hurt terribly. It then manifests itself as a defence mechanism to protect oneself from further hurt by ridiculing the group where the hurt emanated from

- Mrs. J -

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I said it from the beginning that this question was pointing towards men and slowly but surely my point is proven.

" Anytime someone points a finger at anyone, people should notice that 3 fingers are pointing back at the person doing the pointing"

The single girls who dont want married guys might be for genuine reasons but it might also be because they want a relationship and want to get married who knows.

For me all I am interested in is a genuine female swinger married or single who is stable and swinging only for sexual pleasure as a form of recreation.

I don't fear younger women - I feel more confident and sexy than I did when I was younger, I look at other women and think wow alot be them younger or older.

Haha that's not what all the young men chasing mature women say, just the opposite!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any married person on here without their partner's permission is a scumbag as far as I'm concerned.

Male or female.

No excuse. Grow some balls.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow what a load of useless chaff on this thread since I last posted

Here's the problem/prejudice in a nutshell. Heavenscentit writes...

I still won't meet marrieds

Then Heavenscentit writes...

We meet as singles and together. He is not mine and I am not his - not all relationships are the same especially on here.

No...I as the female do not meet marrieds, we are not married to each other or anybody else. "

Ok I get it. Married people are the dreaded lurgy but attached people like yourselves are totally fine. That makes much more sense

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

" ...

There is no point...he is determined to find an ulterior motive for women who won't meet cheaters, he said it himself earlier.

He wants to delve into the psyche of "these women", but can't handle us delving into his. To me, this screams of someone constantly looking for a reason other than himself of why a woman rejects him.

Oh and yeah yeah you've not looked my profile, my pussy doesn't interest you bla bla..

- Mrs. J -"

Oh Mrs. J

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By *teveanddebsCouple
over a year ago

Norwich

Wow is this true? Come on ladies, admit it, do you find you wake up on your 30th and find that you've somehow forgotten how to have sex?

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By *ames1763Man
over a year ago

Aberdeen

Lol Oh you ladies have turned me into a super star overnight, come to think about it I won't mind meeting you ladies for dinner as I am quite fond of you ladies, the way you attack my opinion xx I will be in Xstasia next week Friday if you all wanted to meet, I really hope you are all really beautiful though xx

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