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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it." Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc | |||
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"I would be interested to know how many profiles "did what it said on the tin". " Ours does. There's no lies in the profile and no photo-shopped pics apart from blanked faces and tats. Don't know why people lie or pretend as they always get found out. | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc" Yep  | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep "When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves"I don't find that at all. We have a great time here ! | |||
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"I would be interested to know how many profiles "did what it said on the tin". " Ours does | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves
I don't find that at all. We have a great time here !"I didn't say it's still not great here..i said it has gone downhill   . | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves
I don't find that at all. We have a great time here !
I didn't say it's still not great here..i said it has gone downhill . "Clearly I'm fooling myself then | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves
I don't find that at all. We have a great time here !
I didn't say it's still not great here..i said it has gone downhill .
Clearly I'm fooling myself then "We all have our opinions ..its all good and healthy debates..mostly lol | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves
I don't find that at all. We have a great time here !
I didn't say it's still not great here..i said it has gone downhill .
Clearly I'm fooling myself then
We all have our opinions ..its all good and healthy debates..mostly lol"Nah i'm not debating lol. I think I'm right | |||
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"Had the above mentioned conversation several times over the last month with different friends. We don't think it is crap by the way, we think it's great as it is. But these are long time well verified members saying it. So you start to wonder if things were better in the good old days? The conversation has always started off like this; "This site's crap. No one meets anymore. Its full of blank profiles." And we've seen it a lot on the forums too, so its obviously a common theme. But our theory to counteract the whole thing about the site suddenly being crap is this; If you live long enough in one place and look to swing with people on this site, then eventually you will have either met everyone you want to meet. Or have blocked, turned down/been turned down by everyone else. And thus it will appear that the only profiles left are the blank ones from yo-yo profilers. Your only options are to expand the search area t bring in more fresh faces or move to a new place and start the process again. We don't think that enough people who are truly new to swinging join to counteract this. What do we all think? Any truth in our theory? Or are the "this site is crap"-ers correct, and it really was a swinging utopia only a few years ago? " I would agree with you 100% in what you say about this site.  | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed." The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc" i'm one of the jaded ones. not really been messed about on here, just got sick of the bullshit. i don't blame the site for this but i do blame some members. think things came to a head when someone got jealous on here and gave me shit about that and by doing so they fucked up something better i had that was going on (well they made it so i did that by me having a conscious) then they just fucking ignored me once that had messed up. at least i learned something there though, that jealousy doesn't mean someone actually cares, it just means there is something wrong with them especially if they haven't committed to me and have no right to be jealous. | |||
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"I would be interested to know how many profiles "did what it said on the tin". " ours does and we still get folks that think we will change to suit them!!!! | |||
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"Had the above mentioned conversation several times over the last month with different friends. We don't think it is crap by the way, we think it's great as it is. But these are long time well verified members saying it. So you start to wonder if things were better in the good old days? The conversation has always started off like this; "This site's crap. No one meets anymore. Its full of blank profiles." And we've seen it a lot on the forums too, so its obviously a common theme. But our theory to counteract the whole thing about the site suddenly being crap is this; If you live long enough in one place and look to swing with people on this site, then eventually you will have either met everyone you want to meet. Or have blocked, turned down/been turned down by everyone else. And thus it will appear that the only profiles left are the blank ones from yo-yo profilers. Your only options are to expand the search area t bring in more fresh faces or move to a new place and start the process again. We don't think that enough people who are truly new to swinging join to counteract this. What do we all think? Any truth in our theory? Or are the "this site is crap"-ers correct, and it really was a swinging utopia only a few years ago? " As a relative new comer, I think this site is...ok. Not good, not bad, just ok. Especially when compared to other personal contact sites. Having said that, the vast majority of my meets have been in clubs and deliberately so due to my own personal situation. In fact, my advice would be to not worry so much about clicking on pictures on a screen and actually get out and...SWING! | |||
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"For couples it's frustrating (I know as part of one on here). Lots of men are completely talking out their arses and have no intention of meeting. This also applies to lots of couples who are obviously just single men pretending.Then the whole problem comes full circle and affects the genuine single blokes as they're all treated like fakes. Everyone complains the site or lifestyle is crap.... To break the circle of crap something needs to be done to address the problem of fake profiles and time wasters" Yes by you! Use the tools the site provides and a touch of common sense. | |||
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"For couples it's frustrating (I know as part of one on here). Lots of men are completely talking out their arses and have no intention of meeting. This also applies to lots of couples who are obviously just single men pretending.Then the whole problem comes full circle and affects the genuine single blokes as they're all treated like fakes. Everyone complains the site or lifestyle is crap.... To break the circle of crap something needs to be done to address the problem of fake profiles and time wasters Yes by you! Use the tools the site provides and a touch of common sense. " | |||
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"Another theory... you can chart the desirability of a Fab member on a parabolic curve, with 0 meets being undesirable, 1-10 meets rocketing up to maximum desirability, 11-50 meets taking you past the apex, and 50+ meets quickly plummeting you into undesirability. Anyone on either side of the curve thinks the site is full of timewasters purely because everyone they say hi to runs away from them. The moral of the story? People like a bit of naughty promiscuity but they don't like a lot " Had to have a laugh at this! Like it, never thought about it like that. | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent." I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different." But it's not just guys that pay in this site. | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. " Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves
I don't find that at all. We have a great time here !
I didn't say it's still not great here..i said it has gone downhill .
Clearly I'm fooling myself then
We all have our opinions ..its all good and healthy debates..mostly lol
Nah i'm not debating lol. I think I'm right "Cheeky | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. " What he said..i also said something very similar a while back. Most new profiles become site members..if they make it harder..that means less site members,which equals less money. Their not stupid | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. What he said..i also said something very similar a while back. Most new profiles become site members..if they make it harder..that means less site members,which equals less money. Their not stupid "Do you have evidence that most newcomers become paying members or is this just the necessary fuel for the conspiracy theory that the site administrators make more money by not actively preventing fake profiles? Sounds barmy to me. | |||
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"Was here four years ago and site has definitely gone down hill from then... Swinging, sex, parties etc does not need to include vulgar chat or intimately graphic pictures especially not of a womans talents at inserting household items! Sorry but we do all know what were here for and that can be discussed privately and politely and not cheapened by sleazy undertones. Respect is earned after all and quality requires high standards from all." Completely agree. We've been on here for about the same amount of time, and over time come to realise that the site does more damage to the swinging scene than good. We used to be religious site supporters until recently, and very much why we've stopped using it to meet people, preferring to meet at clubs instead. (Unless on that VERY rare occasion we see an awesome profile that grabs our attention) Why do we still use it? Because it's a great mechanic for keeping in touch with those we do meet at clubs, and figure why not use it, as much as its uses us and others to make an easy Buck. Even as none supporters the site still uses us, by the fact we cannot block any single dynamic entirely from viewing our profile. Why? Because if members had that option, people couldn't even perve at profiles, and that would have a massive impact on the numbers that joined. If onky 10% of people that joined became site supporter, the numbers still speak for themselves. 100 males joined 30 couples joined 5 females joined. Which demographic still brings in the most money based on 10% paying? I have made those figures up of course, but believe it to still be an accurate representation. Honestly, anyone who thinks the site and the mechanics of its use is for the benefit of genuine swingers are incredibly naive in my opinion. | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. What he said..i also said something very similar a while back. Most new profiles become site members..if they make it harder..that means less site members,which equals less money. Their not stupid
Do you have evidence that most newcomers become paying members or is this just the necessary fuel for the conspiracy theory that the site administrators make more money by not actively preventing fake profiles?
Sounds barmy to me."No conspiracy theory, just very simple business economics, and a sound business plan. And a very good one at that | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. What he said..i also said something very similar a while back. Most new profiles become site members..if they make it harder..that means less site members,which equals less money. Their not stupid
Do you have evidence that most newcomers become paying members or is this just the necessary fuel for the conspiracy theory that the site administrators make more money by not actively preventing fake profiles?
Sounds barmy to me."If you look at your news feed you will see there is truth in this. Notification so and so has joined fab then a few mins later they've became site supports then from a couple of hrs to maybe a couple of days they leave the site. We use this site more for staying in touch with people we've met at clubs. I think far to many people think this site is for a quick easy hook up and like many other things in life far to many people sit behind a screen and can't be bothered to actually go out and find what they are looking for. When we started swinging 10 years ago sites were used for people to chat and stay in contact with others they had met at clubs. Maybe the fact that so many people think it's going to be easy to get meets on here is where the problem is | |||
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"Personally i don't find the site any different to how it was many years ago when i first used it. Same here. We suspect people just get a bit jaded as there are plenty of time wasters, fakes etc Yep
When I joined just over a year ago there were less blank profiles imo..anyone who thinks it hasn't gone a bit downhill in recent times is fooling themselves
I don't find that at all. We have a great time here !
I didn't say it's still not great here..i said it has gone downhill .
Clearly I'm fooling myself then
We all have our opinions ..its all good and healthy debates..mostly lol
Nah i'm not debating lol. I think I'm right
Cheeky "Me cheeky ? Never lol | |||
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. What he said..i also said something very similar a while back. Most new profiles become site members..if they make it harder..that means less site members,which equals less money. Their not stupid
Do you have evidence that most newcomers become paying members or is this just the necessary fuel for the conspiracy theory that the site administrators make more money by not actively preventing fake profiles?
Sounds barmy to me.
If you look at your news feed you will see there is truth in this. Notification so and so has joined fab then a few mins later they've became site supports then from a couple of hrs to maybe a couple of days they leave the site. We use this site more for staying in touch with people we've met at clubs. I think far to many people think this site is for a quick easy hook up and like many other things in life far to many people sit behind a screen and can't be bothered to actually go out and find what they are looking for. When we started swinging 10 years ago sites were used for people to chat and stay in contact with others they had met at clubs. Maybe the fact that so many people think it's going to be easy to get meets on here is where the problem is "I agree that most newcomers leave after a very short time and are mostly fakes. What I don't see is why, as fakes, they would pay for membership. A few may, but it doesn't seem worthwhile to do so if they're going to leave within 24 hours as is being suggested. | |||
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"Had the above mentioned conversation several times over the last month with different friends. We don't think it is crap by the way, we think it's great as it is. But these are long time well verified members saying it. So you start to wonder if things were better in the good old days? The conversation has always started off like this; "This site's crap. No one meets anymore. Its full of blank profiles." And we've seen it a lot on the forums too, so its obviously a common theme. But our theory to counteract the whole thing about the site suddenly being crap is this; If you live long enough in one place and look to swing with people on this site, then eventually you will have either met everyone you want to meet. Or have blocked, turned down/been turned down by everyone else. And thus it will appear that the only profiles left are the blank ones from yo-yo profilers. Your only options are to expand the search area t bring in more fresh faces or move to a new place and start the process again. We don't think that enough people who are truly new to swinging join to counteract this. What do we all think? Any truth in our theory? Or are the "this site is crap"-ers correct, and it really was a swinging utopia only a few years ago? " Sorry but you are wrong. I have been on here on and off since it started. Guys make no effort on their profiles, expect to meet at a minutes notice without supplying a pic (yes I meet guys). TV/TS and women get so many messages for the same guys that they cannot cope. Couples have it different because they have the upper hand. This site is crap! I get meets form other sites with less fuss and more respect because people do not have to put up with the fab effect. This site has tiny pics and cams, does nto work properly ob mobiles, pretends to be a professional pay site with a free option, but delivers only an amateur peformance. And yes this will get me banned again. I am not losing anything! | |||
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"I think it's all about exposure. Fab started with a small community of people with the "vanilla" world having very little knowledge about it. Those that knew about it we're genuine. Over time word of mouth has got round, attracting more people who are less genuine. The "vanilla world" becomes more aware, media exposure starts to happen, attracting far less genuine folks. Attracting folks who have no real respect for the swinging scene, the ethos, the outlook, and the mechanics. I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. There are plenty of very simple fixes and changes that could be made, but such changes would impact on a very successful business plan. That's my opinion anyway. "this is very close to why .it started as a :wife swappers site:no single guys or girls as time has moved on and attitude have changed it is now open house to who ever with what ever taste ,think if you look at membership on here more than half not mf couples :wife swapping:but we still have great meets with top folks .great site | |||
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"I agree that most newcomers leave after a very short time and are mostly fakes. What I don't see is why, as fakes, they would pay for membership. A few may, but it doesn't seem worthwhile to do so if they're going to leave within 24 hours as is being suggested." Because sex sells. It all comes down to the sites mechanics, for the person, who just thinks joining the site guarantees them sex, or at the least to perve at real members and be able to contact them, the freebie membership is just enough to draw them in and tease. (Limited messaging, unable to follow message threads, no webcam live chat room etc etc) So many newbies will join, have a quick play around, but very quickly have the belief that paid membership will improve their chances. They soon find out it doesn't, so leave. As I said, it's a bloody simple, but awesome business model, I'm envious I didn't think of it! | |||
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"Had the above mentioned conversation several times over the last month with different friends. We don't think it is crap by the way, we think it's great as it is. But these are long time well verified members saying it. So you start to wonder if things were better in the good old days? The conversation has always started off like this; "This site's crap. No one meets anymore. Its full of blank profiles." And we've seen it a lot on the forums too, so its obviously a common theme. But our theory to counteract the whole thing about the site suddenly being crap is this; If you live long enough in one place and look to swing with people on this site, then eventually you will have either met everyone you want to meet. Or have blocked, turned down/been turned down by everyone else. And thus it will appear that the only profiles left are the blank ones from yo-yo profilers. Your only options are to expand the search area t bring in more fresh faces or move to a new place and start the process again. We don't think that enough people who are truly new to swinging join to counteract this. What do we all think? Any truth in our theory? Or are the "this site is crap"-ers correct, and it really was a swinging utopia only a few years ago? Sorry but you are wrong. I have been on here on and off since it started. Guys make no effort on their profiles, expect to meet at a minutes notice without supplying a pic (yes I meet guys). TV/TS and women get so many messages for the same guys that they cannot cope. Couples have it different because they have the upper hand. This site is crap! I get meets form other sites with less fuss and more respect because people do not have to put up with the fab effect. This site has tiny pics and cams, does nto work properly ob mobiles, pretends to be a professional pay site with a free option, but delivers only an amateur peformance. And yes this will get me banned again. I am not losing anything!" So if the site is as bad as you say then why have you come back ? | |||
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"If people find this site crap then why do they stay?" Only they can answer that. But I'd hard a guess at a number of reasons, the main one being because it works for them, whatever they need or want from it, they get. Attention, thrills, escapism and of course sex with others, as a small example. But from our point of view, it's because it works for us. Or I should say, we make it work for us. We don't treat it seriously, and we accept it for what it is, good and bad, and aren't naive enough to believe that it exists for our benefit, therefore, have no expectations of it. (Which I believe is often the downfall of many a frustrated member, genuine or not) | |||
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" Sorry but you are wrong. I have been on here on and off since it started. Guys make no effort on their profiles, expect to meet at a minutes notice without supplying a pic (yes I meet guys). TV/TS and women get so many messages for the same guys that they cannot cope. Couples have it different because they have the upper hand. This site is crap! I get meets form other sites with less fuss and more respect because people do not have to put up with the fab effect. This site has tiny pics and cams, does nto work properly ob mobiles, pretends to be a professional pay site with a free option, but delivers only an amateur peformance. And yes this will get me banned again. I am not losing anything!" A couple of observations on your comment. Firstly If it's so bad, and you get more meets elsewhere and it's entirely amateur, what do you get from leaving and rejoining? When you come back is it like having a whole new bunch of people to look at? In which case our theory about exhausting the local profiles would seem to be correct. Secondly, when you first started on here were you beating off potential meets with a shitty stick? Or are you looking at it with the proverbial rose tinted specs? Because if the place is so lousy with blank yo-yo profiles now, then surely a verified long term, pictured and well written profile would stand out from the crowd like a sore thumb and only be good for you? It would certainly beat the no newbie/no unverified/no picture filters sensible people employ. So by leaving and rejoining so many times, and having to start from scratch each time, are you not making it harder for yourself to get a meet? And that would have nothing to do with the site being crap. | |||
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"I think it's all about exposure. Fab started with a small community of people with the "vanilla" world having very little knowledge about it. Those that knew about it we're genuine. Over time word of mouth has got round, attracting more people who are less genuine. The "vanilla world" becomes more aware, media exposure starts to happen, attracting far less genuine folks. Attracting folks who have no real respect for the swinging scene, the ethos, the outlook, and the mechanics. I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. There are plenty of very simple fixes and changes that could be made, but such changes would impact on a very successful business plan. That's my opinion anyway. this is very close to why .it started as a :wife swappers site:no single guys or girls as time has moved on and attitude have changed it is now open house to who ever with what ever taste ,think if you look at membership on here more than half not mf couples :wife swapping:but we still have great meets with top folks .great site"This goes back to another thread are single ppl swingers or just greedy lol as the definition of swingers was couples who swapped partners. But thats another debate for another time lol. We personally like the site but dont rely on it we meet most ppl at the spa. | |||
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"those who complain in general are doing so because its not playing out as they want it to either because of lack of effort on their part or ignorance to what they are getting into. this site is great if you know how to use it properly and are capable of starting a conversation... most think this is "insta-shag" where its more of a social connections site, meet like minded people who if there is a connection you may get the oppertunity to meet and see where it goes. " As we said, we've heard this from some well verified people with good profiles. It's not something we've picked up from those who make no effort. We just wondered if things have actually changed in the last few years or if there are other reasons. | |||
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"Had the above mentioned conversation several times over the last month with different friends. We don't think it is crap by the way, we think it's great as it is. But these are long time well verified members saying it. So you start to wonder if things were better in the good old days? The conversation has always started off like this; "This site's crap. No one meets anymore. Its full of blank profiles." And we've seen it a lot on the forums too, so its obviously a common theme. But our theory to counteract the whole thing about the site suddenly being crap is this; If you live long enough in one place and look to swing with people on this site, then eventually you will have either met everyone you want to meet. Or have blocked, turned down/been turned down by everyone else. And thus it will appear that the only profiles left are the blank ones from yo-yo profilers. Your only options are to expand the search area t bring in more fresh faces or move to a new place and start the process again. We don't think that enough people who are truly new to swinging join to counteract this. What do we all think? Any truth in our theory? Or are the "this site is crap"-ers correct, and it really was a swinging utopia only a few years ago? Sorry but you are wrong. I have been on here on and off since it started. Guys make no effort on their profiles, expect to meet at a minutes notice without supplying a pic (yes I meet guys). TV/TS and women get so many messages for the same guys that they cannot cope. Couples have it different because they have the upper hand. This site is crap! I get meets form other sites with less fuss and more respect because people do not have to put up with the fab effect. This site has tiny pics and cams, does nto work properly ob mobiles, pretends to be a professional pay site with a free option, but delivers only an amateur peformance. And yes this will get me banned again. I am not losing anything! So if the site is as bad as you say then why have you come back ?" It has its good point but getting meets is not one of them. For that I use other sites! | |||
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"Everybody does seem very hung up on fakes. They don't ruin the site, as others have said they are easy to spot. The most toxic fab members for us are the couples where they are very much real, but one half of the couple isn't really into swinging or doesn't really know what's going on. This type of couple has always been around, but they seem more common these days. " Damn! You went there? I've actually blocked a couple (with two individual accounts) because of the postings of one of them. Still wondering if I should have only blocked the one? | |||
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"Everybody does seem very hung up on fakes. They don't ruin the site, as others have said they are easy to spot. The most toxic fab members for us are the couples where they are very much real, but one half of the couple isn't really into swinging or doesn't really know what's going on. This type of couple has always been around, but they seem more common these days. " If only your belief about fakes being easy to spot was true. Sadly it is not. We have been members of and on for 10 years and firmly believe that the site is crap. It is a money making concern perfectly happy to tolerate fakes and creeps. It is however slightly less crappy than any other alternative we have encountered. | |||
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"I like it, the forum is comedy gold  "Agreed. I find I use Fab more now for the forum. It's sometimes more entertaining than a meet. | |||
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"I like it, the forum is comedy gold
Agreed. I find I use Fab more now for the forum. It's sometimes more entertaining than a meet.
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"I also think the owners of the site are also responsible for this too. Fab is advertised within forums that gives exposure to those who would certainly not have the respect for the swinging scene and the genuine members. I imagine fab was started with the ethos of bringing genuine swingers together, but as in many such projects the lure of success brings the desire for more money, and that's what it turned into, a cash cow, with the single make being its main target for income, and the original goals being forgotten and replaced with simple greed. The site is free to use, and I suspect the minority of paying site supporters are single men, especially as most are likely to be the ones who leave as soon as the main ethos of the site (that being a social lifestyle as opposed to fuck n go) becomes apparent. I think in part your right, but I'd disagree the minority of paying site supporters are single men. I think they're the majority, the business plan and mechanics of the site encourage, manipulate and rely upon the desperation of single males fueled by their desire and fantasies to pay in the hope of fulfilling those fantasies. It also relies upon the genuine ones to provide the bait for such. It's just a necessary evil put accepted part of the business plan that those genuine ones have to put up with it if they do wish. It's a similar plan to most sex/dating sites. Just that the demographic is slightly different. But it's not just guys that pay in this site. Oh of course not, but I believe it's the single guys that make the money. We all see plenty of threads moaning about fake, non genuine, or time waster profiles, members. And there's plenty of suggestions on those threads on how to combat the problem, and plenty of those suggestions would be very easy and simplistic to implement. The only problem is, by implementing them it would prevent or discourage the fakes, time wasters, dreamers (whatever you wish to call them) from joining, therefore having a major impact on income. And there is my point, the site isn't here to help the genuine swingers, or those with the right ethos and understanding of the swinging scene, it actually encourages and reply's on those that don't, because they're the cash generators. What he said..i also said something very similar a while back. Most new profiles become site members..if they make it harder..that means less site members,which equals less money. Their not stupid
Do you have evidence that most newcomers become paying members or is this just the necessary fuel for the conspiracy theory that the site administrators make more money by not actively preventing fake profiles?
Sounds barmy to me."Evidence?...this isn't a court. My evidence is my own experience . | |||
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"I think it's got worse with people that are fuelling a wank bank with no intention of meeting, the ones that immediately try to get you off site to another app..." Getting responses showing interest, then silence when you respond with a genuine willingness to meet either for an initial social or if you're lucky, sex, and all the other party do is Mark your messages "unread"...clearly timewasters...why is it the timewasters get all the attention? And promptly not meet? I give up... | |||
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"I just get frustrated with the amount of times people say they want to meet then they just ignore messagges and hide away.really dont get it,if you have no intention of meeting then why say you are and then waste each others time.just seems a bit weird" Happens to me. They get a kick out of being timewasting arseholes. | |||
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"Everybody does seem very hung up on fakes. They don't ruin the site, as others have said they are easy to spot. The most toxic fab members for us are the couples where they are very much real, but one half of the couple isn't really into swinging or doesn't really know what's going on. This type of couple has always been around, but they seem more common these days. Damn! You went there? I've actually blocked a couple (with two individual accounts) because of the postings of one of them. Still wondering if I should have only blocked the one? "I went there, and I kicked the back door in. | |||
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"Everybody does seem very hung up on fakes. They don't ruin the site, as others have said they are easy to spot. The most toxic fab members for us are the couples where they are very much real, but one half of the couple isn't really into swinging or doesn't really know what's going on. This type of couple has always been around, but they seem more common these days. " I'm in a swinging relationship and my partner really enjoys the act of swinging. But what she's grown utterly tired of is Fab. I tell her everything that goes on. But I must admit she's really left things to me to arrange now. So I can imagine this coming across as us not being equally into it... when we are. In the end it just feels more honest to log on through my singles account these days, even though we both are looking to swing. I put all the problems on this thread down to people not empathising with the fact that others have busy lives, sometimes bottle things, sometimes have something more important come up, and have no real connection with other Fab members so decide to just blow them off and burn bridges until they go unlos and rejoin under a different name. It's not a very civil approach to being on the site but that's just the way some people are with strangers | |||
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" So to sum up , the site isn't crap , but a hell of a high % of people who join up are . It's a difficult task to them all out , and as I said , we have been active on fab for six years and still get caught out now and again by the dreamers and fakes . Up until 18 months ago we had never had our time wasted ( and had in excess if 1,000 meets ) . In the last 18 months it's happened at least 12 times , and we really aren't naive . I do believe more could be done by the site to get rid of timewasters , but other than that , it's doing its job admirably ." Exactly this. (Minus the meets!) As a newbie to the site I am always shocked by the number of messages we get that have not read our profile, or have failed to realise that it's a couple profile at all (or realise but just don't care?) I am not of the belief that we are so amazing that people should feel privileged to read what I have written, but I don't understand why you wouldn't want to know what you're getting into? And not only that but I genuinely love reading profiles. I think you just have to work out what you are wanting from the site and stick to this religiously. For instance, I love the idea of swinging with my man. But. I'm quite shy and so want to start slowly, we've been here a few weeks had a couple of social and a mff, and are thoroughly enjoying ourselves. But. We read each profile with a mental checklist that makes us feel like we are at least trying to out the time wasters. I do however wish there was more social messages than text speak propositions, though as a plus, it helps us out the people we dont want to meet. Lol For full disclosure though. We do have the luxury that R was here as a single male before and as a social goer we had actually met people before. I dont know if that's helped us to get settled here, but I suspect it has.  | |||
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