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Now my profile is upfront, yes I am Bi, yes I love meeting ladies, couples, guys or tv's.... I am very open minded and respectful of others desires and needs. I see a lot of guys on here purporting to be straight who also have Bi profiles on the sister site Fab Guys, not only that but also state they are happy to bareback on there, yet state safe sex on this site...... but that's another topic that is often brought up on here!! Just needed to vent really, I no it ain't gonna happen, but please guys be upfront, people will have a lot more respect | |||
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"It really does make me giggle.... Yet again I log on and a guy messages me asking "Are you free for some fun?".... I reply with "Yes, but your profile says you are straight..." Then I get the various excuses, "I am married but don't want my wife to know".... "I am Bi but don't want ladies to know".... "It would put ladies off meeting me".... The list goes on, I could write a book!!
Now my profile is upfront, yes I am Bi, yes I love meeting ladies, couples, guys or tv's.... I am very open minded and respectful of others desires and needs. I see a lot of guys on here purporting to be straight who also have Bi profiles on the sister site Fab Guys, not only that but also state they are happy to bareback on there, yet state safe sex on this site...... but that's another topic that is often brought up on here!! Just needed to vent really, I no it ain't gonna happen, but please guys be upfront, people will have a lot more respect"Yeah really pisses me off this. Especially as I give blood, I have to be careful who I'm meeting. I know nothing is ever 100% but I find it really fucking disrespectful of these guys, like they're taking away people's right to choose who they have sex with. Luckily I have TV and gay friends on here and know who most of the local culprits are. | |||
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"It really does make me giggle.... Yet again I log on and a guy messages me asking "Are you free for some fun?".... I reply with "Yes, but your profile says you are straight..." Then I get the various excuses, "I am married but don't want my wife to know".... "I am Bi but don't want ladies to know".... "It would put ladies off meeting me".... The list goes on, I could write a book!!
Now my profile is upfront, yes I am Bi, yes I love meeting ladies, couples, guys or tv's.... I am very open minded and respectful of others desires and needs. I see a lot of guys on here purporting to be straight who also have Bi profiles on the sister site Fab Guys, not only that but also state they are happy to bareback on there, yet state safe sex on this site...... but that's another topic that is often brought up on here!! Just needed to vent really, I no it ain't gonna happen, but please guys be upfront, people will have a lot more respect"Forgot to say 'hear, hear!' | |||
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I see guys that have messaged me with straight on their profiles but have veris from TVs
Then when questioned it's oh...dunno how that got their blah blah
Yip wish folk would be more up front
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"It's a funny one this.. i understand the being upfront viewpoint but there's also the point of having a right to choose what you want to share on here. Maybe the answer is to ask if it's an issue to you, i dunno. " Yep, see what you mean. It's not quite the black and white situation it used to be for us. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. " No the problem is dishonesty ! | |||
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"There's straight, and there's fab straight. We've been cintacted by "straight" guys and when questioned they say its easier to put straight. It also appears that "straight" guys will let another guy suck them as long as they can get access to the woman. Weird but hey ho" Some guys will fuck anything or ley anything play with their cock as long as it means they get go empty their ball's. How their balls get emptied is irrelevant to some guys. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. No the problem is dishonesty !"
Too many folk quick to throw the homophobic label about when it has zero to do with it 99% of the time  | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. No the problem is dishonesty !
Too many folk quick to throw the homophobic label about when it has zero to do with it 99% of the time "Even if someone is Homophobic so what? They dont like homosexuality and thats their choice. Theres no set rule that every has to like homesexuality | |||
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the sheer amount of forum posts on this subject alone is staggering.
It's a preference to play with whoever you like and want
If someone dosnt want to. Move on to someone who does
Sorry off topic slightly
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"Bi guys seem to think so
the sheer amount of forum posts on this subject alone is staggering.
It's a preference to play with whoever you like and want
If someone dosnt want to. Move on to someone who does
Sorry off topic slightly
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. No the problem is dishonesty !
Too many folk quick to throw the homophobic label about when it has zero to do with it 99% of the time "Actually I think it has a lot more to do with it than a lot of people are prepared to admit. I'm not convinced either side of the argument is being completely honest. | |||
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"Bi guys seem to think so
the sheer amount of forum posts on this subject alone is staggering.
"Someone actually described them as happening "bi-weekly" a while ago. Not sure if they spotted their own joke but I pissed myself laughing. | |||
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"I see a lot of guys on here purporting to be straight who also have Bi profiles on the sister site Fab Guys, " I've found those too amazing how many use the same username but not their privacy settings I've found a few of those. I also know a few on who have 2 profiles just on fab a straight and a bi profile to me that puts me off I'd rather they just be upfront. I do take profiles with a pinch of salt though and ask questions. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck." I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. No the problem is dishonesty !
Too many folk quick to throw the homophobic label about when it has zero to do with it 99% of the time
Even if someone is Homophobic so what? They dont like homosexuality and thats their choice.
Theres no set rule that every has to like homesexuality "I agree with this point, but equally let's not be too afraid or too uncomfortable to call it what it is. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. No the problem is dishonesty !"
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. " The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time? | |||
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"My fb gave me his fab log in details and I was surprised at the amount of messages off guys he gets - both straight and bi despite him being down as straight..... I may have to turn him! "I get loads of views and messages from biguys all asking to suck my cock. Some are quite persistent and get blocked. If only I got messages from ladies. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time?" I appreciate your concern on pigeon holing but if you want a man in the morning and a women that afternoon how could you not be just bisexual? | |||
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"Bi guys seem to think so
the sheer amount of forum posts on this subject alone is staggering.
Someone actually described them as happening "bi-weekly" a while ago. Not sure if they spotted their own joke but I pissed myself laughing. "I saw on a TV/TS profile, "bi, when dressed"; I guess he is 'straight' when he is naked at the breakfast table with his wife | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. " Homophobia is a very strong word, the LGBT foundation says: "What is Homophobia? Homophobia is an irrational hatred and it thrives on diversity. It can show itself in countless ways, but in its most destructive form, homophobia can bruise, beat and even kill lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) people. Although laws have changed, many people's attitudes haven't. Homophobia still exists mainly due to ignorance, but also due to hatred. LGB people can feel intimidated and under threat in many situations that may seem normal to heterosexual people, such as getting on the bus, going to school, or simply walking along the street." I feel very uneasy about people throwing the word homophobia about. In my opinion it minimises the true repulsiveness of it. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. " Not liking, or even being repulsed by gay sex is not homophobia. I don't want to watch people p*ss*ng or sh*tt*ng over each other. The thought itself makes me want to throw up; is that a 'phobia' too? | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. Homophobia is a very strong word, the LGBT foundation says: "What is Homophobia? Homophobia is an irrational hatred and it thrives on diversity. It can show itself in countless ways, but in its most destructive form, homophobia can bruise, beat and even kill lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) people. Although laws have changed, many people's attitudes haven't. Homophobia still exists mainly due to ignorance, but also due to hatred. LGB people can feel intimidated and under threat in many situations that may seem normal to heterosexual people, such as getting on the bus, going to school, or simply walking along the street." I feel very uneasy about people throwing the word homophobia about. In my opinion it minimises the true repulsiveness of it." I know exactly what the word means and I specifically chose to use it. Are you suggesting it's rational to treat a bisexual person who completely respects all of your boundaries differently to a straight person? | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time? I appreciate your concern on pigeon holing but if you want a man in the morning and a women that afternoon how could you not be just bisexual?" Because for all intents and purposes I was gay in the morning and straight by midday. So come midday I get a message from a guy for a meet and I say I'm not in the mood for a guy and the response is "but it says you're bi". This why you get a guy who is essentially straight but once in a while looks for cock for varietys sake as much as anything else. He wouldn't want to be approached by guys. | |||
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" I feel very uneasy about people throwing the word homophobia about. In my opinion it minimises the true repulsiveness of it. I know exactly what the word means and I specifically chose to use it. Are you suggesting it's rational to treat a bisexual person who completely respects all of your boundaries differently to a straight person?" No, it's not rational. Most sexual desires aren't rational. What is rational about being bi (even though I think it is completely fine) or rational about BDSM, or liking blondes or BBW or black guys? Sex isn't often rational. But saying it is hatred is another matter altogether. | |||
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" Not liking, or even being repulsed by gay sex is not homophobia. I don't want to watch people p*ss*ng or sh*tt*ng over each other. The thought itself makes me want to throw up; is that a 'phobia' too?" I completely agree. What someone does in the rest of their private life is non of my business, they just need to respect my boundaries and preferences. If I don't want to see or be around certain acts, that's my choice and that should be respected. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time? I appreciate your concern on pigeon holing but if you want a man in the morning and a women that afternoon how could you not be just bisexual? Because for all intents and purposes I was gay in the morning and straight by midday. So come midday I get a message from a guy for a meet and I say I'm not in the mood for a guy and the response is "but it says you're bi". This why you get a guy who is essentially straight but once in a while looks for cock for varietys sake as much as anything else. He wouldn't want to be approached by guys." I understand what you're saying but I disagree with you. Just because you fancy a man one minute then a women the next doesn't mean you stop being bisexual at those moments. | |||
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" I feel very uneasy about people throwing the word homophobia about. In my opinion it minimises the true repulsiveness of it. I know exactly what the word means and I specifically chose to use it. Are you suggesting it's rational to treat a bisexual person who completely respects all of your boundaries differently to a straight person? No, it's not rational. Most sexual desires aren't rational. What is rational about being bi (even though I think it is completely fine) or rational about BDSM, or liking blondes or BBW or black guys? Sex isn't often rational. But saying it is hatred is another matter altogether." Please do not put words into my mouth, I have at no point used the word hatred. Dislike, fear or ignorance don't require hatred. Why are you suggesting otherwise? | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time? I appreciate your concern on pigeon holing but if you want a man in the morning and a women that afternoon how could you not be just bisexual? Because for all intents and purposes I was gay in the morning and straight by midday. So come midday I get a message from a guy for a meet and I say I'm not in the mood for a guy and the response is "but it says you're bi". This why you get a guy who is essentially straight but once in a while looks for cock for varietys sake as much as anything else. He wouldn't want to be approached by guys. I understand what you're saying but I disagree with you. Just because you fancy a man one minute then a women the next doesn't mean you stop being bisexual at those moments." If at that moment I am only attracted to women then: From a pigeonholing point of view I'm still bisexual. From a pragmatic point of view I'm straight. In the same way earlier in the day when it was only a guy I was intetested in, from a pragmatic viewpoint I was gay. | |||
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"When Darwin first sent a platypus to England for scientists to investigate they thought it was a joke. Animals stitched together. Because the platypus lays eggs and suckled its young it was labelled a "freak" the truth is that the platypus isn't just didn't fit into the pigeonholes the scientists had designated. Bi men are the platypuses (yes Josie, that is the plural) of the swinging world. Freaks because they need to be in a box and yet their preferences are dynamic." There's no great scientific debate or circus show, they are just bi, and like both men and women. | |||
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"When Darwin first sent a platypus to England for scientists to investigate they thought it was a joke. Animals stitched together. Because the platypus lays eggs and suckled its young it was labelled a "freak" the truth is that the platypus isn't just didn't fit into the pigeonholes the scientists had designated. Bi men are the platypuses (yes Josie, that is the plural) of the swinging world. Freaks because they need to be in a box and yet their preferences are dynamic." I'm struggling to make any sense of your post. | |||
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"When Darwin first sent a platypus to England for scientists to investigate they thought it was a joke. Animals stitched together. Because the platypus lays eggs and suckled its young it was labelled a "freak" the truth is that the platypus isn't just didn't fit into the pigeonholes the scientists had designated. Bi men are the platypuses (yes Josie, that is the plural) of the swinging world. Freaks because they need to be in a box and yet their preferences are dynamic. There's no great scientific debate or circus show, they are just bi, and like both men and women. "
I agree 100%. It doesn't need an explanation or a denial. | |||
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"When Darwin first sent a platypus to England for scientists to investigate they thought it was a joke. Animals stitched together. Because the platypus lays eggs and suckled its young it was labelled a "freak" the truth is that the platypus isn't just didn't fit into the pigeonholes the scientists had designated. Bi men are the platypuses (yes Josie, that is the plural) of the swinging world. Freaks because they need to be in a box and yet their preferences are dynamic. I'm struggling to make any sense of your post." I am saying it is not straight men that do bi/gay things that are the problem. It's the need to categorise and compartmentalize human desire that is the problem. | |||
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" I feel very uneasy about people throwing the word homophobia about. In my opinion it minimises the true repulsiveness of it. I know exactly what the word means and I specifically chose to use it. Are you suggesting it's rational to treat a bisexual person who completely respects all of your boundaries differently to a straight person? No, it's not rational. Most sexual desires aren't rational. What is rational about being bi (even though I think it is completely fine) or rational about BDSM, or liking blondes or BBW or black guys? Sex isn't often rational. But saying it is hatred is another matter altogether. Please do not put words into my mouth, I have at no point used the word hatred. Dislike, fear or ignorance don't require hatred. Why are you suggesting otherwise?" I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I posted a quote from the LGBT foundation that put their description of the word 'homophobia' which focuses on the hatred aspect. I said, using the word is concerning to me. You replied, yes you understood what it meant and chose the word specifically e.g concurring with the hatred interpretation of the word. Most people take the word 'homophobia' as meaning a dislike or worse of gay / bisexual people. That is what concerns me about it being used lightly. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time? I appreciate your concern on pigeon holing but if you want a man in the morning and a women that afternoon how could you not be just bisexual? Because for all intents and purposes I was gay in the morning and straight by midday. So come midday I get a message from a guy for a meet and I say I'm not in the mood for a guy and the response is "but it says you're bi". This why you get a guy who is essentially straight but once in a while looks for cock for varietys sake as much as anything else. He wouldn't want to be approached by guys. I understand what you're saying but I disagree with you. Just because you fancy a man one minute then a women the next doesn't mean you stop being bisexual at those moments. If at that moment I am only attracted to women then: From a pigeonholing point of view I'm still bisexual. From a pragmatic point of view I'm straight. In the same way earlier in the day when it was only a guy I was intetested in, from a pragmatic viewpoint I was gay." If your logic has merit then right now I'm celibate! Your argument is flawed. Maybe you should ask yourself why your making the argument in the first place? | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. " All that 'should' matter to those who are bothered, should not concern those that aren't. I'm not homophobic but I give blood. Plus I'm not aroused by the thought of men kissing or fucking other men. | |||
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"Bet the women reading this thread are wondering whether the guy they met who said they were straight, was actually straight. "Nope. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual?" Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. The problem is the need to pidgeonhole people into categories when people's preferences and moods can vary from hour to hour, day to day or week to week. If I wake up in the mood for guy/guy fun but by lunchtime all I can think about is girls do I need to change my profile all the time? I appreciate your concern on pigeon holing but if you want a man in the morning and a women that afternoon how could you not be just bisexual? Because for all intents and purposes I was gay in the morning and straight by midday. So come midday I get a message from a guy for a meet and I say I'm not in the mood for a guy and the response is "but it says you're bi". This why you get a guy who is essentially straight but once in a while looks for cock for varietys sake as much as anything else. He wouldn't want to be approached by guys. I understand what you're saying but I disagree with you. Just because you fancy a man one minute then a women the next doesn't mean you stop being bisexual at those moments. If at that moment I am only attracted to women then: From a pigeonholing point of view I'm still bisexual. From a pragmatic point of view I'm straight. In the same way earlier in the day when it was only a guy I was intetested in, from a pragmatic viewpoint I was gay. If your logic has merit then right now I'm celibate! Your argument is flawed. Maybe you should ask yourself why your making the argument in the first place?" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual? Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make." People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things. If you can't understand that then I can't help you. | |||
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" I feel very uneasy about people throwing the word homophobia about. In my opinion it minimises the true repulsiveness of it. I know exactly what the word means and I specifically chose to use it. Are you suggesting it's rational to treat a bisexual person who completely respects all of your boundaries differently to a straight person? No, it's not rational. Most sexual desires aren't rational. What is rational about being bi (even though I think it is completely fine) or rational about BDSM, or liking blondes or BBW or black guys? Sex isn't often rational. But saying it is hatred is another matter altogether. Please do not put words into my mouth, I have at no point used the word hatred. Dislike, fear or ignorance don't require hatred. Why are you suggesting otherwise? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I posted a quote from the LGBT foundation that put their description of the word 'homophobia' which focuses on the hatred aspect. I said, using the word is concerning to me. You replied, yes you understood what it meant and chose the word specifically e.g concurring with the hatred interpretation of the word. Most people take the word 'homophobia' as meaning a dislike or worse of gay / bisexual people. That is what concerns me about it being used lightly." In your response you have given a simple definition that uses the word 'dislike'. Homophobia does not require hatred. There is no definition that has hatred as a requirement. The simplest definition I've come across is 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. In your earlier response you said 'saying it is hatred is another matter altogether'. I have at no point said that, so you have attempted to put words into my mouth. I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual? Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make. People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things. If you can't understand that then I can't help you." My argument is that those 'straight' men are liars and are actually Gay | |||
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" I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'." OK, if that is your interpretation then that is obviously entirely your choice. My only remark is that lots of reasonable people will take objection to it, as they take it as meaning hate or fear of LGBT people. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual?" What is that supposed to mean? | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual? Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make. People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things. If you can't understand that then I can't help you." You are 100% correct, I cannot understand how a man having sex with another man doesn't make him bi. You win. | |||
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"Time and time again, I see the people who bring up this same-old 'anti gay/bi' argument are the ones who feel excluded in some way. It would be respectful and considerate to others, if these people hell bent on waving the homophobia card, could be gracious towards other people's boundaries. There's plenty of bi people to dabble with (me not being one of them). I certainly won't be venturing into the Gay Village of Manchester anytime soon, trying to make gay guys feel bad for not wanting to fuck women. Peace. " As a bi-sexual man I absolutely agree with all you've said here, and don't fall into the "you're not bi, therefore you must be homophobic" rhetoric that's rolled out every time one of these threads appears (which seems to be daily lately!! ) - I'd no more want to push my bi-sexuality on someone than I would want to push myself on anyone full stop.
Totally respect that people have individual preferences as to who they play with, whether that preference be tall people, people with blonde hair, or people with webbed feet and to be honest don't understand why having a preference against bi-sexual men has to constantly be made such a meal of. If I see someone state they have a preference for not playing with bisexual men, I shrug my shoulders and move on without feeling the need to question it, unless of course that person has expressed their preference in such a way that is genuinely homophobic.
This has however all moved away from the OP's question around why so many bi men declare themselves straight on here and it comes back to the old things about increasing their chances with women that don't want to play with bi males, which to me is a crazy way of thinking because by doing so they are closing doors to a lot of people that openly seek bi men to play with. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual? Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make. People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things. If you can't understand that then I can't help you. My argument is that those 'straight' men are liars and are actually Gay" It's not an argument. It's the dogmatic repetition of your point of view with no accompanying rationale. But that aside. How are you Josie? Long time no see  | |||
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"Bet the women reading this thread are wondering whether the guy they met who said they were straight, was actually straight. "Nope; I am not wondering anything of the kind. I have had sex with many bisexual men. I have no issue with bisexual men. I just don't want to see them kissing and f**king each other. They can do that when I am not around Also, my boyfriend has no desire to let a bisexual man be present if I am having sex with him and ANO. His choice and I support him in that choice. And neither do either one of us want to watch gay sex | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. All that 'should' matter to those who are bothered, should not concern those that aren't. I'm not homophobic but I give blood. Plus I'm not aroused by the thought of men kissing or fucking other men." What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? I'm not aroused by the thought of people being spanked or whipped until they bleed, but what people do in their private life away from me has no impact on me. It doesn't make me prejudice about their ability to operate completely within my boundaries. Just for the record, I am straight and have never had any bisexual tendencies. | |||
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" What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? " Blood Transfusion service will not take blood donations from someone that has had any sex with a bi or gay man in the previous 6 months. It isn't an uninformed comment by the poster, it is just the rule. | |||
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"Bet the women reading this thread are wondering whether the guy they met who said they were straight, was actually straight.
Nope; I am not wondering anything of the kind. I have had sex with many bisexual men. I have no issue with bisexual men. I just don't want to see them kissing and f**king each other. They can do that when I am not around
Also, my boyfriend has no desire to let a bisexual man be present if I am having sex with him and ANO. His choice and I support him in that choice. And neither do either one of us want to watch gay sex"When you say "when I'm not around" do you expect them to leave or are you prepared to leave without comment? There's a huge difference. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual? Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make. People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things. If you can't understand that then I can't help you. My argument is that those 'straight' men are liars and are actually Gay It's not an argument. It's the dogmatic repetition of your point of view with no accompanying rationale. But that aside. How are you Josie? Long time no see "And yours is wishful thinking that straight men have gay sex; it makes no sense as only gay and bisexual men have gay sex. Straight men only have sex with women Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women | |||
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"Bet the women reading this thread are wondering whether the guy they met who said they were straight, was actually straight.
Nope; I am not wondering anything of the kind. I have had sex with many bisexual men. I have no issue with bisexual men. I just don't want to see them kissing and f**king each other. They can do that when I am not around
Also, my boyfriend has no desire to let a bisexual man be present if I am having sex with him and ANO. His choice and I support him in that choice. And neither do either one of us want to watch gay sex
When you say "when I'm not around" do you expect them to leave or are you prepared to leave without comment? There's a huge difference."Them??? I don't have sex with more than one bisexual man. All threesomes are with my boyfriend and a straight man | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. All that 'should' matter to those who are bothered, should not concern those that aren't. I'm not homophobic but I give blood. Plus I'm not aroused by the thought of men kissing or fucking other men. What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? I'm not aroused by the thought of people being spanked or whipped until they bleed, but what people do in their private life away from me has no impact on me. It doesn't make me prejudice about their ability to operate completely within my boundaries. Just for the record, I am straight and have never had any bisexual tendencies. " You've obviously never given blood then. Ah. | |||
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" I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. OK, if that is your interpretation then that is obviously entirely your choice. My only remark is that lots of reasonable people will take objection to it, as they take it as meaning hate or fear of LGBT people." I respect why you've said what you've said but hate has never been a requirement of prejudice. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. Is it fuck. I believe it is and I know it's an unpopular position to take. All that should really matter is what an individual does with you, what relevance does the rest of their private life have with you? The stigma faced by bisexual men has is much lower for bisexual women, why is that? I fully appreciate that it's a preference for some not to be comfortable meeting someone who is bisexual, but it's a preference based on the dislike of someone's sexuality. To be specific, their same sex preferences. I'm not condoning those bisexual men who are dishonest about their sexuality but if homophobia never existed they'd never have been tempted to. All that 'should' matter to those who are bothered, should not concern those that aren't. I'm not homophobic but I give blood. Plus I'm not aroused by the thought of men kissing or fucking other men. What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? I'm not aroused by the thought of people being spanked or whipped until they bleed, but what people do in their private life away from me has no impact on me. It doesn't make me prejudice about their ability to operate completely within my boundaries. Just for the record, I am straight and have never had any bisexual tendencies. You've obviously never given blood then. Ah." Regularly in the past. | |||
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" I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. OK, if that is your interpretation then that is obviously entirely your choice. My only remark is that lots of reasonable people will take objection to it, as they take it as meaning hate or fear of LGBT people. I respect why you've said what you've said but hate has never been a requirement of prejudice. " The reason I cringe at the word is that ,to me, homophobia implies hate, or at least a very strong disliking. | |||
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" I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. OK, if that is your interpretation then that is obviously entirely your choice. My only remark is that lots of reasonable people will take objection to it, as they take it as meaning hate or fear of LGBT people. I respect why you've said what you've said but hate has never been a requirement of prejudice. " But what if the act is repulsive and not the person. I gave you an example of ws and scat. I don't hate the person; I am physically repulsed by what they do. I do not want to be around when they do that. I don't tell them that they should or should not do it Now it would be really arrogant of them to expect me to like their particular kink | |||
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" You've obviously never given blood then. Ah. Regularly in the past." To correct my error above, nobody can give blood if they have had sex with a bi or gay man in the previous 12 months, protected or not. That is NHS blood donation rules, not a prejudicial remark by the other poster. | |||
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"Let me give you an example. Have you ever broken the law. Sped, jaywalked, dropped litter... Do you consider yourself a criminal? If Katie Perry had ever kissed a girl. Would it make her bisexual? Where is this going? You are bi and other people are bi. It is a sexuality and there is nothing wrong with that sexuality. I don't get the point you are trying to make. People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things. If you can't understand that then I can't help you. My argument is that those 'straight' men are liars and are actually Gay It's not an argument. It's the dogmatic repetition of your point of view with no accompanying rationale. But that aside. How are you Josie? Long time no see
And yours is wishful thinking that straight men have gay sex; it makes no sense as only gay and bisexual men have gay sex. Straight men only have sex with women
Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary):
heterosexual:
A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual
homosexual
Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex
bisexual:
Sexually attracted to both men and women"Thanks for that. That would be clear cut provided our sexual actions were purely driven by attraction. An example of this is men in a situation where no women are available. For example, prisons or sailors of old etc. | |||
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" What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? Blood Transfusion service will not take blood donations from someone that has had any sex with a bi or gay man in the previous 6 months. It isn't an uninformed comment by the poster, it is just the rule." I fully appreciate the rule but it doesn't make it right. Homophobia in medicine is a problem being challenged on a daily basis. The fact is that the highest density of hiv is amongst heterosexuals in certain areas of East Africa, but a heterosexual East African coming back to this country and giving blood is welcomed. | |||
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" Thanks for that. That would be clear cut provided our sexual actions were purely driven by attraction. An example of this is men in a situation where no women are available. For example, prisons or sailors of old etc. " Any prisoners or 18th century sailors on fab can use different terminology | |||
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" I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. OK, if that is your interpretation then that is obviously entirely your choice. My only remark is that lots of reasonable people will take objection to it, as they take it as meaning hate or fear of LGBT people. I respect why you've said what you've said but hate has never been a requirement of prejudice. But what if the act is repulsive and not the person. I gave you an example of ws and scat. I don't hate the person; I am physically repulsed by what they do. I do not want to be around when they do that. I don't tell them that they should or should not do it Now it would be really arrogant of them to expect me to like their particular kink" I completely agree with you. | |||
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" What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? Blood Transfusion service will not take blood donations from someone that has had any sex with a bi or gay man in the previous 6 months. It isn't an uninformed comment by the poster, it is just the rule. I fully appreciate the rule but it doesn't make it right. Homophobia in medicine is a problem being challenged on a daily basis. The fact is that the highest density of hiv is amongst heterosexuals in certain areas of East Africa, but a heterosexual East African coming back to this country and giving blood is welcomed." The poster mentioned giving blood and you said 'what has that got to do with it'. I simply explained why it is relevant under current rules! It might not be 'right' , but it is correct and relevant. | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women" Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. | |||
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" Thanks for that. That would be clear cut provided our sexual actions were purely driven by attraction. An example of this is men in a situation where no women are available. For example, prisons or sailors of old etc. Any prisoners or 18th century sailors on fab can use different terminology "Given the ratio of women to men on fab I don't think you need to be a sailor or a prisoner. | |||
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" I stand by my use of the word homophobia because I believe that the root of the problem this thread highlights is based in a 'dislike of or prejudice against homosexual or bisexual people'. OK, if that is your interpretation then that is obviously entirely your choice. My only remark is that lots of reasonable people will take objection to it, as they take it as meaning hate or fear of LGBT people. I respect why you've said what you've said but hate has never been a requirement of prejudice. The reason I cringe at the word is that ,to me, homophobia implies hate, or at least a very strong disliking." Being black I know that if someone doesn't give me a job specifically because I'm black, it doesn't necessarily mean that they hate me. It just means that they're prejudice or ignorant. | |||
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" What has giving blood got to do with it? You do know that some heterosexual people also have STD's? Blood Transfusion service will not take blood donations from someone that has had any sex with a bi or gay man in the previous 6 months. It isn't an uninformed comment by the poster, it is just the rule. I fully appreciate the rule but it doesn't make it right. Homophobia in medicine is a problem being challenged on a daily basis. The fact is that the highest density of hiv is amongst heterosexuals in certain areas of East Africa, but a heterosexual East African coming back to this country and giving blood is welcomed. The poster mentioned giving blood and you said 'what has that got to do with it'. I simply explained why it is relevant under current rules! It might not be 'right' , but it is correct and relevant." I completely accept that point. | |||
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" Thanks for that. That would be clear cut provided our sexual actions were purely driven by attraction. An example of this is men in a situation where no women are available. For example, prisons or sailors of old etc. Any prisoners or 18th century sailors on fab can use different terminology " | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. " And what would that 'overhaul' look like? And who, other than gay/TVTS want that overhaul? | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. " Josie just blew her own argument out of the water. She terms all non hetrosexual men as gay and yet goes on to define the bisexual. | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. Josie just blew her own argument out of the water. She terms all non hetrosexual men as gay and yet goes on to define the bisexual. " Bisexual men, when having sex with other men, are engaging in gay sex. There is nothing known as 'bisexual sex'. Being bisexual is a sexual orientation When I am having sex with a woman, I am having lesbian sex; it is not bisexual sex even though my boyfriend may be present (generally not) and even though, I am primarily attracted to men (I think, although I am not too sure about that one ) | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion." You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. | |||
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"Homohobia is at the root of the problem. No the problem is dishonesty !"
Am straight, I have no thoughts about being with a man, thankfully I've only had a few messages from men wanting things  never going to happen, am happy with who I am.
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one." Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual?" Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one." No I'm not saying that a person can fluctuate between men and women and still be straight. I'm saying that bisexuality is a state of mind. As the dictionary says its attraction not actions. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself "I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun. I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances."Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. Josie just blew her own argument out of the water. She terms all non hetrosexual men as gay and yet goes on to define the bisexual. Bisexual men, when having sex with other men, are engaging in gay sex. There is nothing known as 'bisexual sex'. Being bisexual is a sexual orientation When I am having sex with a woman, I am having lesbian sex; it is not bisexual sex even though my boyfriend may be present (generally not) and even though, I am primarily attracted to men (I think, although I am not too sure about that one )"
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" I respect why you've said what you've said but hate has never been a requirement of prejudice. The reason I cringe at the word is that ,to me, homophobia implies hate, or at least a very strong disliking. Being black I know that if someone doesn't give me a job specifically because I'm black, it doesn't necessarily mean that they hate me. It just means that they're prejudice or ignorant." I agree that would be racist and it would be homophobic if they did the same to a gay/bi person. Both are wrong and thankfully illegal. My concern is when the same language spreads into sex, which is a very subtle, non-logical zone. | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. Josie just blew her own argument out of the water. She terms all non hetrosexual men as gay and yet goes on to define the bisexual. Bisexual men, when having sex with other men, are engaging in gay sex. There is nothing known as 'bisexual sex'. Being bisexual is a sexual orientation When I am having sex with a woman, I am having lesbian sex; it is not bisexual sex even though my boyfriend may be present (generally not) and even though, I am primarily attracted to men (I think, although I am not too sure about that one )
As I've said before, what if that man is involved in a bi MMF or a bi MMFF and hands are everywhere - does the gay/hetero light go into overdrive? "If he has a c*ck up his a*se and simultaneously, at precicely the same picosecond, his c*ck is up hers; I call that, gymnastics and a bl**dy good show | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. Josie just blew her own argument out of the water. She terms all non hetrosexual men as gay and yet goes on to define the bisexual. Bisexual men, when having sex with other men, are engaging in gay sex. There is nothing known as 'bisexual sex'. Being bisexual is a sexual orientation When I am having sex with a woman, I am having lesbian sex; it is not bisexual sex even though my boyfriend may be present (generally not) and even though, I am primarily attracted to men (I think, although I am not too sure about that one )
As I've said before, what if that man is involved in a bi MMF or a bi MMFF and hands are everywhere - does the gay/hetero light go into overdrive?
If he has a c*ck up his a*se and simultaneously, at precicely the same picosecond, his c*ck is up hers; I call that, gymnastics and a bl**dy good show "It doesn't take gynastics. Think about it. | |||
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" Here are some 'simple' dictionary definitions for you (but I bet you have an alternate dictionary): heterosexual: A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex. Boys who like girls and women who like men are heterosexual homosexual Homosexual is a noun and adjective. Either way, it has to do with people who are attracted to members of the same sex bisexual: Sexually attracted to both men and women Not really an 'alternate dictionary', but it's worth stating that the whole men/women gender/sex thing is due a good overhaul. Josie just blew her own argument out of the water. She terms all non hetrosexual men as gay and yet goes on to define the bisexual. Bisexual men, when having sex with other men, are engaging in gay sex. There is nothing known as 'bisexual sex'. Being bisexual is a sexual orientation When I am having sex with a woman, I am having lesbian sex; it is not bisexual sex even though my boyfriend may be present (generally not) and even though, I am primarily attracted to men (I think, although I am not too sure about that one )
As I've said before, what if that man is involved in a bi MMF or a bi MMFF and hands are everywhere - does the gay/hetero light go into overdrive?
If he has a c*ck up his a*se and simultaneously, at precicely the same picosecond, his c*ck is up hers; I call that, gymnastics and a bl**dy good show
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one." It is well recognised that peoples sexuality falls somewhere on a continuum much the same as all psychological personality traits. Very few people are either 100% hetrosexual or 100% homosexual, with a great many falling somewhere between the two. Now depending on where upon that continuum you lie will dictate to how much you associate yourself to being straight, gay or bi. What definitions others would like to place upon you is immaterial. They have no idea about your sexual preferences, as in what things you will do or won't do. I have no issues with straight, gay or bi sexual men or women. Each to their own as far as I'm concerned. The same goes for other peoples sexual preferences. If you want to associate as being straight, gay or bi - that's fine by me. It's not for me to judge how someone chooses to label themselves. So if someone wants to label themselves as straight, but still indulges with some sort of sexual act with someone of the same sex - well, they may well be 95% or more straight, but for one indulgence. Or you might say they are in fact 5% bi sexual. It's all semantics at the end of the day. And how they choose to associate themselves is up to them. Well, that's the way I see it anyways. Just my two pennies worth. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances.
Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars "Are you listening to your own argument? How can they be gay if they are attracted to women too? | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances.
Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars
Are you listening to your own argument? How can they be gay if they are attracted to women too?"You are talking absolute nonsense now. Gay men have sex with other men. Men who claim to be bisexual have homosexual sex when having sex with men and heterosexual sex when having sex with women Straight men do *not* ever have sex with men; they only have sex with women Those men who claim to be straight and have sex with other men are lying about their sexuality as they are Gay. If these same men have sex with women too, then they are still lying about their sexuality as they are bisexual. But one thing is for certain; they are not straight | |||
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"I've not read all the comments so this might have already come up. But is it double standards? I've seen bi sexual women who won't meet bi sexual men so they have to lie? It's the same with preference on body size. On both sides may I add! I question if this site is actually any good? " What is the double standard??? Should this site force bisexual women to meet meet bisexual men only and fat women to meet fat men only? | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances.
Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars
Are you listening to your own argument? How can they be gay if they are attracted to women too?
You are talking absolute nonsense now.
Gay men have sex with other men. Men who claim to be bisexual have homosexual sex when having sex with men and heterosexual sex when having sex with women
Straight men do *not* ever have sex with men; they only have sex with women
Those men who claim to be straight and have sex with other men are lying about their sexuality as they are Gay. If these same men have sex with women too, then they are still lying about their sexuality as they are bisexual. But one thing is for certain; they are not straight "Ok we are talking about men who are attracted to women but think on occasion about sex with a man. Please don't tell me I'm talking nonsense. Every time I pin you into a logical corner you change tack. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances.
Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars
Are you listening to your own argument? How can they be gay if they are attracted to women too?
You are talking absolute nonsense now.
Gay men have sex with other men. Men who claim to be bisexual have homosexual sex when having sex with men and heterosexual sex when having sex with women
Straight men do *not* ever have sex with men; they only have sex with women
Those men who claim to be straight and have sex with other men are lying about their sexuality as they are Gay. If these same men have sex with women too, then they are still lying about their sexuality as they are bisexual. But one thing is for certain; they are not straight
Ok we are talking about men who are attracted to women but think on occasion about sex with a man.
Please don't tell me I'm talking nonsense. Every time I pin you into a logical corner you change tack."Logical??? I wish They are bisexual. How many times do I have to state this before you will learn that straight men are not interested in you or any other men, even one iota? And if they are claiming to be straight, then they are bisexual men who are liars; they are not straight And I told you that you were talking nonsense because you implied that I was, by stating, "Are you listening to your own argument?" | |||
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"Haha no not at all, im just saying why are bi men suddenly gay? Surely bi women must know that they can be attracted to both women and men? So wouldn't they understand? I personally don't know why anyone would want to go near a dick man or women! Look at them they're horrid! " Some are; but strap-ons are perfect in every way
It is their preference, I suppose
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances.
Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars
Are you listening to your own argument? How can they be gay if they are attracted to women too?
You are talking absolute nonsense now.
Gay men have sex with other men. Men who claim to be bisexual have homosexual sex when having sex with men and heterosexual sex when having sex with women
Straight men do *not* ever have sex with men; they only have sex with women
Those men who claim to be straight and have sex with other men are lying about their sexuality as they are Gay. If these same men have sex with women too, then they are still lying about their sexuality as they are bisexual. But one thing is for certain; they are not straight
Ok we are talking about men who are attracted to women but think on occasion about sex with a man.
Please don't tell me I'm talking nonsense. Every time I pin you into a logical corner you change tack.
Logical??? I wish
They are bisexual. How many times do I have to state this before you will learn that straight men are not interested in you or any other men, even one iota?
And if they are claiming to be straight, then they are bisexual men who are liars; they are not straight
And I told you that you were talking nonsense because you implied that I was, by stating, "Are you listening to your own argument?" "I have never said that straight men are attracted to other men. Please quote me and prove me wrong. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? Are you d*unk when you repeatedly have sex with men, over and over again?
In which case, I think you need to solve the drinking problem and the sexuality issue will resolve itself
I think you missed the point. The person person didn't have to be attracted to the same sex. They did it because it was fun.
I am attracted to both sexes. So I'm not arguing my case. I'm staying on topic and explaining why some men who consider themselves straight make homosexual advances.
Only if they are gay; get over it. Straight men are not interested in you or any other man. Those who are, ain't straight. And if they claim to be straight, then in reality, they are Gay men who are liars
Are you listening to your own argument? How can they be gay if they are attracted to women too?
You are talking absolute nonsense now.
Gay men have sex with other men. Men who claim to be bisexual have homosexual sex when having sex with men and heterosexual sex when having sex with women
Straight men do *not* ever have sex with men; they only have sex with women
Those men who claim to be straight and have sex with other men are lying about their sexuality as they are Gay. If these same men have sex with women too, then they are still lying about their sexuality as they are bisexual. But one thing is for certain; they are not straight
Ok we are talking about men who are attracted to women but think on occasion about sex with a man.
Please don't tell me I'm talking nonsense. Every time I pin you into a logical corner you change tack.
Logical??? I wish
They are bisexual. How many times do I have to state this before you will learn that straight men are not interested in you or any other men, even one iota?
And if they are claiming to be straight, then they are bisexual men who are liars; they are not straight
And I told you that you were talking nonsense because you implied that I was, by stating, "Are you listening to your own argument?"
I have never said that straight men are attracted to other men. Please quote me and prove me wrong.
"“This why you get a guy who is essentially straight but once in a while looks for cock for varietys sake as much as anything else. “ “I am saying it is not straight men that do bi/gay things that are the problem.” “People can't understand why straight men make sexual advances on other men when they are straight. My answer is straight men can do gay things without being bi the same way that good people can do bad things.” Enough of your 'statements' or do you want more??? | |||
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!"
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!
Yeah, right"Josie have you never sped? Never jaywalked? Never broken the law? | |||
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!
Yeah, right
Josie have you never sped? Never jaywalked? Never broken the law?"And??? Is there a point to this? If I have, then would that make me heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual? | |||
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" Some cannot come to terms with their homosexuality; you see this often with men with straight on their profiles but who have sex with TV/TS " Hmm, again, I'd say a male attracted to a mtf TS is correct in stating themselves as straight. | |||
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" Some cannot come to terms with their homosexuality; you see this often with men with straight on their profiles but who have sex with TV/TS Hmm, again, I'd say a male attracted to a mtf TS is correct in stating themselves as straight. " Only if they really are m-to-f and have a vagina and not a penis. But then she would be a woman | |||
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!
Yeah, right
Josie have you never sped? Never jaywalked? Never broken the law?
And???
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!
Yeah, right
Josie have you never sped? Never jaywalked? Never broken the law?
And???
Is there a point to this? If I have, then would that make me heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual?
Would you describe yourself as a criminal?"Yep; it is on my record; done for speeding three times; even got a 28 day ban once; a habitual criminal | |||
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!
Yeah, right
Josie have you never sped? Never jaywalked? Never broken the law?
And???
Is there a point to this? If I have, then would that make me heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual?
Would you describe yourself as a criminal?
Yep; it is on my record; done for speeding three times; even got a 28 day ban once; a habitual criminal "What if you had never been caught speeding? Would you still be a criminal? What if you had only thought about speeding but never did it. Would you still be a criminal? Get where I'm going with this? | |||
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"You say English is your second language. Not one of those quotes mentions attraction. Your own dictionary definition specifies attraction. So there we have it in a nutshell. Action and attraction are NOT the same thing!
Yeah, right
Josie have you never sped? Never jaywalked? Never broken the law?
And???
Is there a point to this? If I have, then would that make me heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual?
Would you describe yourself as a criminal?
Yep; it is on my record; done for speeding three times; even got a 28 day ban once; a habitual criminal
What if you had never been caught speeding? Would you still be a criminal? What if you had only thought about speeding but never did it. Would you still be a criminal?
Get where I'm going with this?"Nope, I really don't; please explain If I had been speeding but never got caught, I would still be breaking the law, albeit, it is a motoring offence; so yes, still a criminal A burglar who doesn't get caught is a criminal But, yes, I won't be a criminal if I only had a random thought about speeding but never, not even once, not even by 1 kph, actually committed the offence | |||
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""Until recently studies typically included just one dimension of sexual orientation - attraction, behavior, and self-identification - but it is increasingly clear that sexual behavior does not necessarily correlate with sexual identity and attraction" - Psychology Today" "Previous postings in this blog described “straight men who have sex with other men” (SMSM), a population of males who avoid involvement with the LGBT community, who are often married or romantically involved with an opposite-sex partner, who engage in sex with males or express the desire to do so, and, most relevant to this posting, do not identify as gay or bisexual. Other men, in contrast, identify as bisexual even if they do not engage in same-sex sexual activity. Until recently studies typically included just one dimension of sexual orientation - attraction, behavior, and self-identification - but it is increasingly clear that sexual behavior does not necessarily correlate with sexual identity and attraction. McCabe and colleagues have repeatedly called for studies to include all dimensions of sexuality.[4] Bisexuality is defined as “the capacity for emotional, romantic, and/or physical attraction to more than one sex or gender. That capacity for attraction may or may not manifest itself in terms of sexual interaction.”[5] The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force reminds health-care providers that “A bisexual orientation speaks to the potential, but not the requirement, for involvement with more than one gender. This involvement may be sexual, emotional, in reality and/or in fantasy. Some bisexuals may be monogamous, some may have concurrent partners, others may relate to different sexes/genders at various periods of time and others still maybe celibate.”[6] In the word of Robyn Ochs, a candid bi-activist, “I have the potential to be attracted – romantically and/or sexually – to people of more than one sex and/or gender, not necessarily at the same time, not necessarily in the same way, and not necessarily to the same degree” (pg. 21).[7] Traditionally, sexual orientation has been viewed as a dichotomy, with the options being either heterosexuality or homosexuality. Those who did not fit into these two groups were ignored, elided, and rarely taken into consideration. During the middle of the 20th century Alfred Kinsey and his colleagues enlightened the fields of psychology and sexology when they proposed that sexuality occurs along a continuum and that the orientation of an inestimable number of people sits somewhere between the two poles. During the 1970s, Fritz Klein elaborated on Kinsey’s work and developed his eponymous Klein Grid, a method for describing a person’s sexual orientation in a much more detailed and nuanced manner. The Klein Grid investigates sexual orientation in the past, the present, and in the idealized future (i.e., a prediction as to what one thinks he or she will like in the future) with respect to each of seven factors consisting of sexual attraction, sexual behavior, sexual fantasies, emotional preference, social preference, heterosexual/homosexual lifestyle, and self-identification.[8] Researchers traditionally relied on self-reporting to study bisexuality, but they have recently introduced technological advances into the field, including measurements of physiological response (including genital arousal) and eye-tracking studies. A recent article in Contemporary Sexuality reviewed these studies and concluded, “With the spate of recent studies either published, in press or under review, the scientific evidence is beginning to accumulate: Men, as well as women, can be attracted to both sexes.” [9] The next several posts in this blog will discuss the experiences of bisexually identified men, and, as will become obvious, their experiences are very different than SMSM, a population that steadfastly denies they are anything but heterosexual." So, bisexuality exists. And men who have sex with other men are bisexual That is what the text says. It does not say that straight men who have sex with men, are straight What point were you trying to make? | |||
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"Ok I'm not going to requote that. Did you copy and paste it or did you read it too? Now. If you can focus on the thread topic and put your own personal crusade aside for a moment.... Does the article suggest that this SMSM group are a bunch of lying homosexuals? Perhaps this article is describing what we call 'fab straight'?" I think you are talking nonsense again by stating, "Did you copy and paste it or did you read it too? Now. If you can focus on the thread topic and put your own personal crusade aside for a moment....". You do that a lot, don't you when you have nothing constructive to say My question to you is that did you read this paragraph: "Previous postings in this blog described “straight men who have sex with other men” (SMSM), a population of males who avoid involvement with the LGBT community, who are often married or romantically involved with an opposite-sex partner, who engage in sex with males or express the desire to do so, and, most relevant to this posting, do not identify as gay or bisexual." How they 'identify' is irrelvant. It is just like the 'FabS straight' who are lying about their sexuality or cannot come to terms with it, as they are bisexual and not straight. That is what the OP was stating too There are TV/TS on this site who 'identify' as female. That does not make them female. If it made them female, they would have a female profile and not a TV/TS profile. Same difference with a bisexual man who 'identifies' as straight | |||
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"It says that SMSM do not IDENTIFY with gay or bisexual. If they don't identify with gay or bisexual why would they choose this as their orientation? Your 'argument' has boiled down to straight men are straight. Its not particularly profound. " You know something; I think I'd leave this thread to you and you can try and convince people that gay and bisexual men who 'identify' as straight, are straight. Even though they have sex with men, they are straight
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When I said that guy/guy actions didn't necessarily mean that a person wasn't straight you said 'yeah right'. Then I quoted an expert in the field who basically said the same thing but used the word 'behavior'.
So in response to your post OP. There are guys who are not attracted to men but think about sucking cock. According to the dictionary they are neither gay nor bisexual. | |||
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" ... It is well recognised that peoples sexuality falls somewhere on a continuum much the same as all psychological personality traits. Very few people are either 100% hetrosexual or 100% homosexual, with a great many falling somewhere between the two. ... Actually, you are only partially correct Kinsey Scale is 0 - 6 0: Exclusively heterosexual 1: Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual 2: Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual 3: Equally heterosexual and homosexual 4: Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual 5: Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual 6: Exclusively homosexual People are 0 (100% heterosexual) or 6, (100% homosexual). Only bisexual people are on the continuum between the two end points, meaning that a person can be 3.1, 3.115, 4.2, 4.56, etc Kinsey never suggested that only a few people are 100% heterosexual or 100% homosexual Heterosexuals are the majority followed by bisexuals and then homosexuals" If you're going to quote don't quote a man who is generally accepted to have a flawed analysis, and try not to use wikipedia to back up your arguments. Few is a relative term and the study was done many years ago. People are far more open now about their sexuality than ever before. Although because of obvious prejudices many still choose to remain private. Nothing is 100% anything, there is always a margin of error, as no study is perfect. Study design is notoriously bias in favour of the designers own relative prejudices concerning predicted outcome, which is why they are continuously peer reviewed and quite often disregarded and thrown on the scrap heap some way down the line. Pretty much all personality traits are set on a continuum. Sexuality is nothing more than a personality trait and is fluid, meaning that it can be influenced by intrinsic and extrinsic factors. The biggest draw back about Kinsey's study is that it is heavily reliant on people telling the truth. And as we all know people lie. | |||
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"It says that SMSM do not IDENTIFY with gay or bisexual. If they don't identify with gay or bisexual why would they choose this as their orientation? Your 'argument' has boiled down to straight men are straight. Its not particularly profound. You know something; I think I'd leave this thread to you and you can try and convince people that gay and bisexual men who 'identify' as straight, are straight. Even though they have sex with men, they are straight
Only you can get your head around this; I cannot "To be fair, it sounds like you cannot get your head around the fact that there are straight men that do indeed exist. There's also a lot of straight men that may have ' bi thoughts' who would still never act upon it Shock, horror. | |||
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"It says that SMSM do not IDENTIFY with gay or bisexual. If they don't identify with gay or bisexual why would they choose this as their orientation? Your 'argument' has boiled down to straight men are straight. Its not particularly profound. You know something; I think I'd leave this thread to you and you can try and convince people that gay and bisexual men who 'identify' as straight, are straight. Even though they have sex with men, they are straight
Only you can get your head around this; I cannot
To be fair, it sounds like you cannot get your head around the fact that there are straight men that do indeed exist. There's also a lot of straight men that may have ' bi thoughts' who would still never act upon it
Shock, horror."Not sure who that was directed at. Of course there are staight men. Maybe some have bisexual thoughts or fantasies. Maybe some have even experimented. It doesn't make them anything other than straight. There is a movie where Sean Connery is interrogated and asked if he had ever had sex with a man. His answer was Just the usual handheld job. Same as you... | |||
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"It says that SMSM do not IDENTIFY with gay or bisexual. If they don't identify with gay or bisexual why would they choose this as their orientation? Your 'argument' has boiled down to straight men are straight. Its not particularly profound. You know something; I think I'd leave this thread to you and you can try and convince people that gay and bisexual men who 'identify' as straight, are straight. Even though they have sex with men, they are straight
Only you can get your head around this; I cannot
To be fair, it sounds like you cannot get your head around the fact that there are straight men that do indeed exist. There's also a lot of straight men that may have ' bi thoughts' who would still never act upon it
Shock, horror.
Not sure who that was directed at.
Of course there are staight men. Maybe some have bisexual thoughts or fantasies. Maybe some have even experimented. It doesn't make them anything other than straight.
There is a movie where Sean Connery is interrogated and asked if he had ever had sex with a man. His answer was Just the usual handheld job. Same as you..." | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual?" She should choose the category she believes best fits her and what she's looking for. You have attempted throughout the thread to twist scenarios or definitions to 'justify' your original assertion that having sex with men in the morning then women in the afternoon can be described as being straight. I think if a guy believes that then he is being dishonest to himself, you haven't changed my view. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? She should choose the category she believes best fits her and what she's looking for. You have attempted throughout the thread to twist scenarios or definitions to 'justify' your original assertion that having sex with men in the morning then women in the afternoon can be described as being straight. I think if a guy believes that then he is being dishonest to himself, you haven't changed my view." Wow, this thread certainly has aroused some interest!! Regarding the AM/PM Gay/Bi..Straight scenario.... what utter hogwash... Just be honest with yourself, you are Bisexual, nothing to be ashamed of! | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? She should choose the category she believes best fits her and what she's looking for. You have attempted throughout the thread to twist scenarios or definitions to 'justify' your original assertion that having sex with men in the morning then women in the afternoon can be described as being straight. I think if a guy believes that then he is being dishonest to himself, you haven't changed my view." Ok. I am bisexual. I'm not justifying anything. I am comfortable with who I am and people I play with are comfortable too. Instead of putting words in my mouth and arguing with those words rather look at what I have posted. There are men (not me btw) who psychologists consider straight but are turned on by the male sexual act. Should these men who don't think they are gay or bi label themselves gay or bi because the uninformed masses demand it. If they did they did... well THAT would be dishonest. Am I saying are there straight men? Yes. I just am saying that attraction is the critical component when it comes to self identification. Not behavior. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? She should choose the category she believes best fits her and what she's looking for. You have attempted throughout the thread to twist scenarios or definitions to 'justify' your original assertion that having sex with men in the morning then women in the afternoon can be described as being straight. I think if a guy believes that then he is being dishonest to himself, you haven't changed my view. Ok. I am bisexual. I'm not justifying anything. I am comfortable with who I am and people I play with are comfortable too. Instead of putting words in my mouth and arguing with those words rather look at what I have posted. There are men (not me btw) who psychologists consider straight but are turned on by the male sexual act. Should these men who don't think they are gay or bi label themselves gay or bi because the uninformed masses demand it. If they did they did... well THAT would be dishonest. Am I saying are there straight men? Yes. I just am saying that attraction is the critical component when it comes to self identification. Not behavior." People should label themselves in whatever way they want to. If someone's behaviour is to repeatedly have sex with men and women then others will choose to label them how they see it. This is not an issue to someone who is comfortable and happy in their bisexuality. | |||
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" I can accept you saying my logic is flawed. But to say I'm wrong without telling me why I'm wrong isn't adding much value to the discussion. You're argument is that you can fluctuate between having sex with men and women but be labelled straight. That argument is flawed by definition. I understand if you're arguing that there should not be any labels but that is not what you have stated by claiming to be gay in the morning but straight in the afternoon. You appear to be happy with the straight label but not the bisexual one. Consider for example a girl who goes a party gets d*unk and has a snog with her friend on the dancefloor. She never does it again and goes onto lead a totally hetrosexual life. If she joins fab should she put herself down as bisexual? She should choose the category she believes best fits her and what she's looking for. You have attempted throughout the thread to twist scenarios or definitions to 'justify' your original assertion that having sex with men in the morning then women in the afternoon can be described as being straight. I think if a guy believes that then he is being dishonest to himself, you haven't changed my view. Ok. I am bisexual. I'm not justifying anything. I am comfortable with who I am and people I play with are comfortable too. Instead of putting words in my mouth and arguing with those words rather look at what I have posted. There are men (not me btw) who psychologists consider straight but are turned on by the male sexual act. Should these men who don't think they are gay or bi label themselves gay or bi because the uninformed masses demand it. If they did they did... well THAT would be dishonest. Am I saying are there straight men? Yes. I just am saying that attraction is the critical component when it comes to self identification. Not behavior. People should label themselves in whatever way they want to. If someone's behaviour is to repeatedly have sex with men and women then others will choose to label them how they see it. This is not an issue to someone who is comfortable and happy in their bisexuality. " I quite agree with you. We should stop these threads which attack people by calling them dishonest and liars. It's really not helping anything. This is not aimed at you or anyone in particular. | |||
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