FabSwingers.com forum: Getting recognised when shopping

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

shopping with the Mr today in Asda also with sister in law and got recognised by not one but two people from a swinger club the one guy was in his early 50's and yes he watched us in club and other guy was fit and he played with me both gave big smile and said hi how's things ? Omg

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol.awkward

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle "
They shouldn't of done that. It is not protocol for swingers, they should of been more respectful.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not cool, be sure to let him know as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle They shouldn't of done that. It is not protocol for swingers, they should of been more respectful."

Totally agree, they shouldn't have spoke to your swingers unwritten rule!!!

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle "

This is bad protocol on their part .

A knowing smile is inevitable , but to try and engage in conversation is bad form , and I can only guess they were new to the scene or unaware of the correct way to behave .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh come on, they hardly outed the woman did they?

If they had said "Ohhh fancy seeing you here! Are you going down xyz later for some naughty fun you cheeky girl" and winked, that would have been disrespectful in my opinion.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Ooh that's a bit awkward,if you know them well then fair enough,but otherwise leave it at a smile.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Exactly, a cheeky and discrete wink would suffice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This really pisses me off

Why can't people understand the word discretion

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

Oh come on, they hardly outed the woman did they?

If they had said "Ohhh fancy seeing you here! Are you going down xyz later for some naughty fun you cheeky girl" and winked, that would have been disrespectful in my opinion. "
Nah it shouldn't be done, they made the lady uncomfortable obviously.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I know I'm still abit nervous now lol, we enjoy what we do but there is a time and a place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Try Waitrose in future?

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

I frequently smile/say hello to people I recognise. But with no clue as to where I know them from!

And often get people acknowledging me who I don't recognise.

But there is nothing there to read into, or draw conclusions from. It's just normal social interactions.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Try Waitrose in future?

A better class of swinger

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By *rallvalCouple
over a year ago

Dunfermline

shopping with the Mr today in Asda also with sister in law and got recognised by not one but two people from a swinger club the one guy was in his early 5

Oh come on, they hardly outed the woman did they?

If they had said "Ohhh fancy seeing you here! Are you going down xyz later for some naughty fun you cheeky girl" and winked, that would have been disrespectful in my opinion. "

Clearly you have never been in the company of a nosey in-law.

And who is this?

Aren't you going to introduce us?

How do you each other?

I am no good at making up believable lies on the spot so alarm bells would be ringing.

If I was good at making up lies on the spot I would be working as a politician or a journalist for the Daily Mail.

A nod and a smile is enough.

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

I think some on here wanna get recognised plastering their face all over their public pics. They might be more receptive and would probably think they are a celebrity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I frequently smile/say hello to people I recognise. But with no clue as to where I know them from!

And often get people acknowledging me who I don't recognise.

But there is nothing there to read into, or draw conclusions from. It's just normal social interactions."

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By *ittleAcornMan
over a year ago

visiting the beach

shopping with the Mr today in Asda also with sister in law and got recognised by not one but two people from a swinger club the one guy was in his early 5

Oh come on, they hardly outed the woman did they?

If they had said "Ohhh fancy seeing you here! Are you going down xyz later for some naughty fun you cheeky girl" and winked, that would have been disrespectful in my opinion.

Clearly you have never been in the company of a nosey in-law.

And who is this?

Aren't you going to introduce us?

How do you each other?

I am no good at making up believable lies on the spot so alarm bells would be ringing.

If I was good at making up lies on the spot I would be working as a politician or a journalist for the Daily Mail.

A nod and a smile is enough."

My friends and family are all used to me saying "I've no idea" when asked that after someone has moved on!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Try Waitrose in future?

A better class of swinger

Yep, they know the 'form' !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I recognised someone outside of fab,I wouldn't acknowledge them .Think it's best that way .Being discreet is better than making someone uncomfortable .

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By *andkCouple
over a year ago

Wisbech

We had a veri from a guy who spotted us in Tesco, oddly he didn't say hi so we had no idea who he was

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By *upergirthukMan
over a year ago

Liverpool UK

Arseholes. A knowing smile was all that was needed.

Am I weird cos I wondered about the significance of the specific reference to the Broccoli?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i'm always split with these situations, i wouldn't be bothered if someone i'd played with/met came up to me in the shops or wherever but i see exactly why folk wouldn't like it and common sense dictates to err on the side of caution and say bugger all

common sense is miss described though, it's not very common at all

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By *100Man
over a year ago

Essex

Lol bet it made you moist remembering what you did

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair, I say hello to loads of people I meet in supermarkets that I recognise...can't even remember where I know them from half the time. Just a nod and a hiya as I pass.

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By *9 kisses.Man
over a year ago

clacton on sea

Ive spotted two mums at my sons school from here,ive chatted to one on fab but not spoke to her at the school, not the right place really.

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Wiggles got recognised in our local corner shop, they chatted to her she said hi as was nobody else around. Didn't bother her.

In asda and stuff we just smile, if they say hi it dosnt bother us as it's easy not to mention what we did or where we met.

If a relative or friend notices or asks, we just say met them via work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shaz had someone grab her arse once in a supermarket we had previously met and had our lad with us that was around 2yo then

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield

Seems many here have no memories of not being a swinger or else live in a city.

We often meet strangers who we have never seen before walk past us and say "hello how are you" its called being polite!

Just because you have a guilty conscience it does not mean other people should not be polite to you.

If they had said something further or referred to meeting you in the club etc., then that would be different but simply greeting you in a polite manner is perfectly acceptable in polite society.

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I would have no problem with someone saying a polite hello. I know a lot if people from many places and don't usually remember where i know them from until afterwards anyway.

What i do have a problem with is when someone messages me on here saying "ooh i saw you at xxxx". It's normally someone i've come across through work and that is a definite no-no for me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I had one guy approach me in asda , blatantly said he was from here but was outside my age range and wished we could meet, he said this within earshot of my teenage daughter and her dad!! Didn't know where to look .. He then got behind me at the checkout and passed me his number saying call me if I want to meet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere.

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By *issVeryWoman
over a year ago

streatham

Discretion discretion discretion...don't we want to break that view that it's necessary?

We are all here because we feel that sexuality is something to celebrate, enjoy, and indulge in..so why are we still reacting in a guilty "I'm doing something wrong that no one should

Know about" fashion. If enough people "came out", would it become less taboo? Or is that not what we want? Is part of the allure that despite everybody saying "this is normal", really nobody wants it to be?..will it lose it's appeal?

Pondering..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I always say hi to people I recognise, even if I don't know where I recognise them from, and it's the easiest thing in the world if you get questioned to just say no idea where I know them from.

If you spend your life trying to avoid people who might have seen you swinging you'll drive yourself mad x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lol this thread.

" how rude"

"How indiscrete"

"Have they no manners"

lol^

Me personally, no I wouldn't do it, but not because I thought it would be the wrong thing to do, but more because I personally would just feel too fucking awkward doing it. So I wouldn't.

But lets face it.

If he had seen you, said nothing and then just fucked off, you'd all be stood there thinking your heads..

"How rude of them"

"What a dick, he didn't even say hello"

"What a bitch, she just totally blanked me"

^That's what.

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By *loswingersCouple
over a year ago

Gloucester

If you had kids or a job that frowned on swinging you may feel differently ?

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By *an_WoodMan
over a year ago

Stafford

Discretion at all times please. Otherwise I get the ducking pool treatment from the local populace enraged at my new hobby

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you had kids or a job that frowned on swinging you may feel differently ?"

Not really. I've had jobs that cared about my private life before. But my job doesn't come to the supermarket when random people say 'hello'.

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere."
You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

"At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

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If they did though what would you think? You seem pretty easily identifiable.

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By *rinceCorwinMan
over a year ago

Manchester

OMG you picked up broccoli and darted in public!!! Oh the shame of it. You'll have to emigrate.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

If they did though what would you think? You seem pretty easily identifiable."

Its about being respectful ... if I was with my children or something then please keep your distance .. if I'm at the gym (normally a hot sweaty mess) then say hello lol and yes I guess I do stand out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This really pisses me off

Why can't people understand the word discretion

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By *op gooserMan
over a year ago

chester

"At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

If they did though what would you think? You seem pretty easily identifiable.

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Interesting so you are open to it just depending on the circumstances. Yeah like a hot sore thumb

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By *vbride1963TV/TS
over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"OMG you picked up broccoli and darted in public!!! Oh the shame of it. You'll have to emigrate.

A cucumber or courgette would have been more appropriate surely ?

I'd have said nothing have been in a hospital lift with family glad lady never spoke to me . Send a message through here would be my action .

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By *ud and BryanCouple
over a year ago

Boston, Lincolnshire

We regularly get recognised and spoken to when out & about, mostly from medieval events, but sometimes from clubs or parties.

It doesn't actually bother us, if someone asks, we just say we either can't remember where we know them from, or they're from Dave's work.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman
over a year ago

stourbridge area

I see people all the time whilst out ....who stop and talk .... sometimes I have no idea who tbey are ......

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By *4tCouple
over a year ago

warrington

Its always when I have no makeup on lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle "

That's not on. You could have at least picked up a cucumber or aubergine

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By *enatton2Couple
over a year ago

West Midlands

We've bumped into people, had a polite how's things chat then moved along. It's not like they lead with "hey!! Had any messy spitroasts lately?!"

That would be indiscreet, not just being polite & saying hi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere. You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do. "

No - I wanted a man to get the sack over sexual harassment.

That's a little different to saying hello in public to someone I've had sex with.

Don't have sex with people if you don't want to acknowledge they exist later.

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

If they did though what would you think? You seem pretty easily identifiable.

Interesting so you are open to it just depending on the circumstances. Yeah like a hot sore thumb

I guess so lol I mean most people know me from fab when I go to swinging clubs around the U.K. So I guess those same people would recognise me in normal life ... only ever had it once where someone came up to me in a shopping centre vanilla wise the rest of the time just message

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By *ewrocksWoman
over a year ago

button moon

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere. You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do.

No - I wanted a man to get the sack over sexual harassment.

That's a little different to saying hello in public to someone I've had sex with.

Don't have sex with people if you don't want to acknowledge they exist later."

my fab and RL are seperate. There are very few folk off here that I'd be happy if they approached me while I'm shopping with my daughter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere. You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do.

No - I wanted a man to get the sack over sexual harassment.

That's a little different to saying hello in public to someone I've had sex with.

Don't have sex with people if you don't want to acknowledge they exist later."

for many people, it's something they choose to keep separate from 'real' life, they keep a distinction between their sex life and day to day life and for the most part seem to be happily meeting others who think the same. i can totally see why folk would do that, and they're not wrong in running their sex lives that way, it's their sex life.

i probably have more in common with you in the sense i really don't mind who comes and talks to me, as you say, i was willing to sleep with them. but that's me, how i like top be, i'm no more right than those who like to keep things top secret, there are just degrees of doing things and we all fit somewhere different on that scale.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere. You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do.

No - I wanted a man to get the sack over sexual harassment.

That's a little different to saying hello in public to someone I've had sex with.

Don't have sex with people if you don't want to acknowledge they exist later.

My problem is when people say 'there's a protocol to swinging'. No, there isn't. If it's important to you that someone blanks you in the street then you need to discuss that with them before you play 'hide the sausage'.

I mean honestly, a quick 'hello, how are you doing, isn't the weather nice?' isn't going to kill anyone - even if it's in front of your kid. Your kid does not know every adult friend that you have, and does not need to know *how* you know every adult friend that you have.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bumped into sum one I recognised from fab the other day and she recognised me,she approached and said hi and asked how I was well I was out for a meal with family,I smiled said hello asked how she was doing these days and got a reply of fine thanks great seeing you,no questions asked by family or anything,I guess it's how you deal with it,a simple hi I'm good thanks isn't going to hurt any one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If ur happy to get naked in front of someone surely a hiya as u pass by each other in a shop isnt really that big a deal ... I'd be more offended if they didn't crack a light ... u could have chatted at a bus stop for all ur family member knew x

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By *londieddWoman
over a year ago

fife

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle "
some idiot recognised me in m&s one day and followed me round saying are you really _londiedd?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Seems many here have no memories of not being a swinger or else live in a city.

We often meet strangers who we have never seen before walk past us and say "hello how are you" its called being polite!

Just because you have a guilty conscience it does not mean other people should not be polite to you.

If they had said something further or referred to meeting you in the club etc., then that would be different but simply greeting you in a polite manner is perfectly acceptable in polite society.

I always say hello to people, nope i don't always know them I'm just friendly & was brought up that way. People from club have had said hello to me whilst out or I haven't spoken & they've said well why not! General conversation is fine to have in Asda without feeling uncomfortable. Unless in the day light you regret playing with them then that's different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

Hard not to notice you Red. Lol. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A nod and smile, a brief hello, something like that is fine for us. Anything more is pushing it, especially if it's discussing meeting in a club, or profile names, or borderline stalker behaviour.

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

You bump into people especially in small towns etc. I just smile and say hi and walk on past. And I've met people with their non swinging partner. Same applies, smile say hi and walk on by.

It's actually more difficult if you spot someone and try to ignore them. Looks like they've something to hide

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere. You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do.

No - I wanted a man to get the sack over sexual harassment.

That's a little different to saying hello in public to someone I've had sex with.

Don't have sex with people if you don't want to acknowledge they exist later.

again, that wouldn't fuss me, i'm ok with folk coming and saying hello...unless they start shouting about that great party or whatever they're welcome to come chat

to some though, it blurs the line, they decide they want that hard line and that's their thing. i agree you ought agree with whoever you meet what stance you take on these things though and not just assume a stance of 'lets blank each other'

i think because so many do take the line that the two things are to be kept well apart that people do take that as a base line and neglect to check what the other persons stance is. it's an easy enough assumption to make i think.

i never check to be honest, if they come up to me some time after, fine, but i just assume not to with others because there's a good chance they wouldn't like it.

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan
over a year ago

London

"Seems many here have no memories of not being a swinger or else live in a city.

We often meet strangers who we have never seen before walk past us and say "hello how are you" its called being polite!

Just because you have a guilty conscience it does not mean other people should not be polite to you.

If they had said something further or referred to meeting you in the club etc., then that would be different but simply greeting you in a polite manner is perfectly acceptable in polite society.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazingly people complain about the lack of common decency and people being rude when you allow someone to pass or hold a door open for someone and they don't acknowledge you. Makes you realise why when you read a thread like this, I mean why say thanks it may mean you've bumped uglys at some point.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Try Waitrose in future?

A better class of swinger

You called....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wasn't aware there was a swingers 'protocol'... I only meet people who I would be happy to be seen in public with, so I guess that's why it's never been a problem to chat to people when I've bumped into them elsewhere. You are the last person I would expect to take this stance. You wanted men to get the sack over a wolf whistle. As experienced swingers have posted it just isn't the right thing to do.

No - I wanted a man to get the sack over sexual harassment.

That's a little different to saying hello in public to someone I've had sex with.

Don't have sex with people if you don't want to acknowledge they exist later.

Exactly this

If I'm asked 'who is that' it's easily explained away as a colleague, client, someone from the gym etc etc....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

didn't know what to do so replied yes good thanks.. picked up broccoli and did a dart for another isle some idiot recognised me in m&s one day and followed me round saying are you really _londiedd?"

This ^^ is where the line has been crossed imo. Saying 'Hi' is one thing using your username is another. A discreet 'leave me alone you twat' springs to mind!

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By *reygorCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

not happened to us.but k sister was at wellsbourne market one sat afternoon ,and some guy asked her when she was going to chams again .she had no idea what he was on about .and he said you know the club .she walk away from him .but when she told the story to her mum of the nutter at the market.k nearly passed out .ha no one twigged any thing and the matter was soon forgotten but to close

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By *opsy RogersWoman
over a year ago

London

If I'm with anyone and this happens, I just explain that they are on the same online forum as I am and cut them dead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Try Waitrose in future?

A better class of swinger

A better class of stalker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I used to work for a menswear store that did hirewear and I had a guy in who I had played with to pick up his hirewear for his wedding

Neither of us knew where to look and his fiancé was insisting he try the outfit on !! Most uncomfortable half hour of my life !!!!

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By *ast_jjMan
over a year ago

Dublin and London

A nod and a smile is what I would do and expect.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman
over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

"I used to work for a menswear store that did hirewear and I had a guy in who I had played with to pick up his hirewear for his wedding

Neither of us knew where to look and his fiancé was insisting he try the outfit on !! Most uncomfortable half hour of my life !!!! "

Did you see him again after that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bollocks, treat them as you would any other friend. Why wouldn't you

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By *carlettxWoman
over a year ago

Essex

"At least a couple times a week for me - shopping, gym or even driving

No one actually comes and says but they message me on here

Hard not to notice you Red. Lol. X "

Haha true xx

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By *urekamanfor2Man
over a year ago

Shoreham

I had played with a couple and then bumped into hubby at a church, he was the vicar I was shocked but rather pleased as each to their own...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I used to work for a menswear store that did hirewear and I had a guy in who I had played with to pick up his hirewear for his wedding

Neither of us knew where to look and his fiancé was insisting he try the outfit on !! Most uncomfortable half hour of my life !!!!

Did you see him again after that?"

Funnily enough about a year later he popped up on another site and we got together again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I frequently smile/say hello to people I recognise. But with no clue as to where I know them from!

And often get people acknowledging me who I don't recognise.

But there is nothing there to read into, or draw conclusions from. It's just normal social interactions."

Exactly what's wrong with being friendly it's not like openly talking about sex is it x

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By *arehamMan
over a year ago

handforth

I was at a car auction as I opened the door to go through the couple from last night that I had been fucking the wife bumping into me,my mind went right back to last night she was so good in bed.

Then about three weeks later I walked on to a station near home,and bumped into a couple who I had been round to there house fucking the wife.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All very well having a 'swingers protocol' but if only a few veterans adhere to it, what's the point! If we were given a copy, I doubt we would even read it.

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By *litheroevoyeurMan
over a year ago

Clitheroe

"This really pisses me off

Why can't people understand the word discretion

It is hardly indiscrete to smile and greet someone.

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By *radleywigginsMan
over a year ago

northwest

This actually happened to me this evening.. We both (she was with a female friend) adopted the knowing smile approach.

Respect is an acknowledgement, discretion is not making it obvious.

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By *eanontiWoman
over a year ago

Limerick

"This actually happened to me this evening.. We both (she was with a female friend) adopted the knowing smile approach.

Respect is an acknowledgement, discretion is not making it obvious. "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've only been recognised once that I know of from someone I met off this site. He avioded me in the shop and then messaged me on here to say Hi. lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i would never let on in public - someone thought they saw me in shop the other week - messged to say as much but the timing was way out - she replied well that would have been embarassing for her - i replied hence why you dont approach -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think I recognised someone I met before in a supermarket she worked on the til I was with a girl I soon went to a different til lol

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By *reygorCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

fri 27 where in bar early on way to curry night out .saw a guy from fab with his mrs .having a beer .he on here as single .he looked very un easy .our male half just nodded said hi .carried on with drink.he followed our male into loo and said thanks for not saying anything.to his mrs [she no idea he on fab]as if any fabber would do that .

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