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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." Yep | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' " Also...that's now how I see men on here. | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' " I don't understand your response - what do you mean? | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." I think you are jaded and just need to understand that Single men = 2p piece, couples £2 and single females a £5. | |||
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"I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe" I know what you mean OP, it's assumptions that kill the place. Oh wait.... | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean?" To put it bluntly, if you can't stand out in a sea of mediocrity then maybe you're not as great as you think you are | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean?" I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? To put it bluntly, if you can't stand out in a sea of mediocrity then maybe you're not as great as you think you are " It's more about the way people treat you in response sometimes to be honest - none of this has anything to do with me, or anyone else having a high opinion of themselves. | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... " That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." What makes you feel that is the assumption and who do you think it's killing things for? I can understand how you might feel that single men aren't given an easy ride here but we don't all feel badly towards them, some of us even want to meet them | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle." I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle." by your words above your jumping to the tune of others and then moaning about it or should i say that how your words above read to me sorry if i have read those words in the wrong light . why not just stop jumping to the tune of others and play your own tune and wait for people to approach you . that way you will not end up thinking and feeling as you do over the responses you get . your not the only guy to notice what you have noticed but the truth is fella you don't have to do any of the things you are doing to get meets there are other options that work just as well if not better in my experience. | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. " | |||
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" by your words above your jumping to the tune of others and then moaning about it or should i say that how your words above read to me sorry if i have read those words in the wrong light . why not just stop jumping to the tune of others and play your own tune and wait for people to approach you . that way you will not end up thinking and feeling as you do over the responses you get . your not the only guy to notice what you have noticed but the truth is fella you don't have to do any of the things you are doing to get meets there are other options that work just as well if not better in my experience. " Oh don't worry, I get it, I understand all of this very well. I don't just use Fab as the be all & end all either - there are numerous other sites that I'm not allowed to mention, not to mention many many scene contacts that I have from 13 years of doing this. | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." We don't think that...we know sone fabulous single guys... we don't want to meet them generally but that's not the reason...we don't read their messages or their profiles though no matter how much effort they put in because if they read ours they'd know we're not interested in meeting them... | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded. We don't think that...we know sone fabulous single guys... we don't want to meet them generally but that's not the reason...we don't read their messages or their profiles though no matter how much effort they put in because if they read ours they'd know we're not interested in meeting them..." Well, I would never message you or anyone else that clearly specifies that they're not looking for men. It would be a complete waste of energy | |||
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"Well, I would never message you or anyone else that clearly specifies that they're not looking for men. It would be a complete waste of energy" You're after relatively specific things and that narrows who will find you and your profile attractive. | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. " i think the opposite to you puddle us guys have it so easy in my opinion compared to your average woman or couple on here . here's one example of that i have never been stood up for a social or a play meet in other words i have never had my time wasted how many woman or couples can say that . | |||
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"Well, I would never message you or anyone else that clearly specifies that they're not looking for men. It would be a complete waste of energy You're after relatively specific things and that narrows who will find you and your profile attractive." Agreed on some levels, but my interest in BDSM for example is not an exhaustive interest | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. i think the opposite to you puddle us guys have it so easy in my opinion compared to your average woman or couple on here . here's one example of that i have never been stood up for a social or a play meet in other words i have never had my time wasted how many woman or couples can say that ." I haven't either but I think people define 'timewaster' differently. Some people have said that I'm a timewaster because I don't drop my knickers at 3 am for some random who's 'within a mile' Apparently I just don't know how this site works.... haha I know what you're saying though, also there are people who don't take responsibility for using proper judgement and wonder why they're consistently let down and stood up. | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. i think the opposite to you puddle us guys have it so easy in my opinion compared to your average woman or couple on here . here's one example of that i have never been stood up for a social or a play meet in other words i have never had my time wasted how many woman or couples can say that . I haven't either but I think people define 'timewaster' differently. Some people have said that I'm a timewaster because I don't drop my knickers at 3 am for some random who's 'within a mile' Apparently I just don't know how this site works.... haha I know what you're saying though, also there are people who don't take responsibility for using proper judgement and wonder why they're consistently let down and stood up. " you mean to tell me that at 3am in the morning your not randy or silly enough to jump in a cab and travel to some randy axe murders house or give said axe murder your home address well i never | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. i think the opposite to you puddle us guys have it so easy in my opinion compared to your average woman or couple on here . here's one example of that i have never been stood up for a social or a play meet in other words i have never had my time wasted how many woman or couples can say that . I haven't either but I think people define 'timewaster' differently. Some people have said that I'm a timewaster because I don't drop my knickers at 3 am for some random who's 'within a mile' Apparently I just don't know how this site works.... haha I know what you're saying though, also there are people who don't take responsibility for using proper judgement and wonder why they're consistently let down and stood up. you mean to tell me that at 3am in the morning your not randy or silly enough to jump in a cab and travel to some randy axe murders house or give said axe murder your home address well i never " I know, the cheek of it....I'm just a tease | |||
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"If anything, I think the types of guys you describe should make it easier for the ones prepared to put in the effort. Keep on truckin' I don't understand your response - what do you mean? I mean the assumption that all guys are a waste of space because of the zero effort messages etc. To me, the ones who do make an effort stand out more rather than get tarred with the same brush. I always read profiles and put effort into my messages because I expect more than 'hi, how u' I don't ask for more than I'm willing to offer and if more people did that we'd all find more of who/what we're looking for: Apologies, I rambled a bit there..... That's the point though - I'm not talking about the zero effort guys, I'm talking about the polar-opposite being treated like the zero effort guys. I've been doing this for about 13 years on & off, yet still get replies as if I'm wet behind the ears - which leads me to believe that people haven't bothered to read my profile, yet they demand I read theirs and format my message in a particular way (which I do). It's a vicious circle. I read your profile and can see you put effort into it. I avoid the profiles that are overly demanding or bossy for that reason. There are definitely females, couples and men too on here who list their demands as if the people they're trying to attract should just be grateful for getting the time of day. I just dodge those as I don't think I'd have a good time with them anyway....even if I was lucky enough to be 'picked' I'd hate to be a guy on here to be honest though and do sympathise with the struggle. i think the opposite to you puddle us guys have it so easy in my opinion compared to your average woman or couple on here . here's one example of that i have never been stood up for a social or a play meet in other words i have never had my time wasted how many woman or couples can say that . I haven't either but I think people define 'timewaster' differently. Some people have said that I'm a timewaster because I don't drop my knickers at 3 am for some random who's 'within a mile' Apparently I just don't know how this site works.... haha I know what you're saying though, also there are people who don't take responsibility for using proper judgement and wonder why they're consistently let down and stood up. you mean to tell me that at 3am in the morning your not randy or silly enough to jump in a cab and travel to some randy axe murders house or give said axe murder your home address well i never I know, the cheek of it....I'm just a tease " after reading the above you leave me no option other than to agree with you yes your a right tease who should be ashamed of herself | |||
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"We always check the profiles of anyone who contacts us and that's where we tend to find the evidence that they didn't bother to read ours before contacting us. There are many reasons why someone might reject you but unless they actually tell you how do you really know? We're happily married and looking for something quite specific with a guy who matches our requirements and vice versa, not just a whole lot of encounters with random people. It's hard to find suitable guys who're close enough but we realise that and accept it. Just because we're choosy in that respect doesn't mean we think we're better than anyone else or that the guys we turn down are inadequate or unpleasant. More often than not the problem is that we're just not offering what they're looking for and if they'd read our profile in the first place they'd have known that and not wasted everyone's time. We'll always reply to anyone who sends us a proper message having read our profile first but we've lost the will to respond to those who can't be bothered to do either. There's just too many of them sadly. " Your profile is very specific - I fit some, but not all of your preferences so I wouldn't email you | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." Agree | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." We come across a lot of men who are just moronic, and if you took away all the idiots, you would probably find that what was left are a group of fine, respectful gents. | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded. We come across a lot of men who are just moronic, and if you took away all the idiots, you would probably find that what was left are a group of fine, respectful gents. " Both of them .. gents | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." I don't assume that at all. I always read the profiles of guys that messege us, i rarely messege a guy first. I have fairly strict guidlines about who we meet because after swinging for 12 years we know exactly what we are looking for and that makes our play meets lots of fun. | |||
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"The assumption on here that every man is an inexperienced waste of space is really beginning to kill things for a lot of people. Am I the only one that feels this way? I know everyone hates a single man coming on the forum with a gripe, and everyone will have an answer based loosely on 'suck it up and move on', but I can't help but feel that people simply don't bother to read profiles, or the messages they receive - which is galling when they themselves, set such strict guidelines on contact. Maybe I'm just jaded." I agree with you | |||
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"The thing is 90% are single men and most women/couples want a 12" black bodybuilder type. So your chances are minuscule. " Really ? | |||
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"The thing is 90% are single men and most women/couples want a 12" black bodybuilder type. So your chances are minuscule. Really ? " Yes really. | |||
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"The thing is 90% are single men and most women/couples want a 12" black bodybuilder type. So your chances are minuscule. Can't blame anyone it's just the way it is. Don't be too obsessed with this site would be my advice, just see it as occasional extras." I don't just want body builder types and couldn't care less what colour someone is - what are you basing this on ? | |||
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"The thing is 90% are single men and most women/couples want a 12" black bodybuilder type. So your chances are minuscule. Really ? Yes really." I'm glad I'm not most women then because I'd be very disappointed if that's all I was looking for | |||
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"The thing is 90% are single men and most women/couples want a 12" black bodybuilder type. So your chances are minuscule. Really ? Yes really." No, that's not true. | |||
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"I said most not all. 10 years in here trust me I'm allowed to have that opinion! And I'm not being nasty about it just an observation." I don't think you aren't allowed an opinion or that you were being nasty . Maybe it's just the women you talk to ? | |||
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"Possibly though I'm not ashamed to say I've spoken to hundreds! I still have fun don't get me wrong. I get smiled at in public a fair bit but on here you feel like the bar is raised!" Perhaps some people on here are looking for a fantasy and therefore very specific | |||
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"I'm having a fantastic time on here, just take your time and patience wins, the forums are a great place to join in some banter and that's where you can relax, have fun and possibly get to know someone a little better.. Never give up, but also don't try too hard.. " Thanks but I don't look as good as you! | |||
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"I'm having a fantastic time on here, just take your time and patience wins, the forums are a great place to join in some banter and that's where you can relax, have fun and possibly get to know someone a little better.. Never give up, but also don't try too hard.. Thanks but I don't look as good as you!" Thanks, I'm improving with age and some work, but there's some fine specimens on here..! Can't comment on you as can't see pics.. | |||
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