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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of? "Beats me, there is not too many single women on this site though  | |||
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"Could be worth vetting them before hand. Check verifications photos etc. Anyone that wouldn't appeal to you don't allow. Possibly with the kik group, we find chatting on and on sometimes can make things dry up a bit so to speak! Shame on the ladies, those men at the club must be really lucky "Definitely try our best to vet the men. I agree with your second point, long drawn out chats can dry up the well. | |||
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"We've been to a couple of socials and single men do seem to be in the minority. I think it must be very nerve wracking for a single person to walk in to a social so that could be one reason. Another could be that they can't get away easily for some reason .
Maybe some just don't consider it worth their time if sex isn't guaranteed."Probably limited the single men. | |||
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"We've been to a couple of socials and single men do seem to be in the minority. I think it must be very nerve wracking for a single person to walk in to a social so that could be one reason. Another could be that they can't get away easily for some reason .
Maybe some just don't consider it worth their time if sex isn't guaranteed. Probably limited the single men."No, they were open to everyone. | |||
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"We've been to a couple of socials and single men do seem to be in the minority. I think it must be very nerve wracking for a single person to walk in to a social so that could be one reason. Another could be that they can't get away easily for some reason .
Maybe some just don't consider it worth their time if sex isn't guaranteed. Probably limited the single men.
No, they were open to everyone."Surprising they normally limit the single men. | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. " All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event...  | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event... "I'd be happy to chat and turn up...  | |||
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"We've been to a couple of socials and single men do seem to be in the minority. I think it must be very nerve wracking for a single person to walk in to a social so that could be one reason. Another could be that they can't get away easily for some reason .
Maybe some just don't consider it worth their time if sex isn't guaranteed."Again, all very possible reasons. When I did a social in June out of the 10 single guys that I had invited, 1 showed up. Him in a room full of couples and a few single women. He was the token single guy and from what I can remember, he had a blast that night! | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them)" This sounds about right... | |||
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"We've been to a couple of socials and single men do seem to be in the minority. I think it must be very nerve wracking for a single person to walk in to a social so that could be one reason. Another could be that they can't get away easily for some reason .
Maybe some just don't consider it worth their time if sex isn't guaranteed.
Again, all very possible reasons.
When I did a social in June out of the 10 single guys that I had invited, 1 showed up. Him in a room full of couples and a few single women. He was the token single guy and from what I can remember, he had a blast that night! "I'd love to go to one of your parties, if I was welcome. Sounds too good to be true  | |||
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"As organisers of house parties, ironically we find it's couples that let us down. We've never had a single guy drop out. And it's annoying, because single guy numbers are worked out according to numbers of couples. " That's funny
As a single women that organises these socials, couples are more reliable than single men.
But you and I have a different dynamic and concept, but still baffles me | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event... "and most likely get back on kik...for 'fun' chats n tittylation.. or trying to effectively get the possibility of getting one or two of the girls to meet before the social of course...the intent to wait for a social just isnt in some of us. ...call me cynical... | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right..." Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too | |||
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"We've been to a couple of socials and single men do seem to be in the minority. I think it must be very nerve wracking for a single person to walk in to a social so that could be one reason. Another could be that they can't get away easily for some reason .
Maybe some just don't consider it worth their time if sex isn't guaranteed.
Again, all very possible reasons.
When I did a social in June out of the 10 single guys that I had invited, 1 showed up. Him in a room full of couples and a few single women. He was the token single guy and from what I can remember, he had a blast that night! I'd love to go to one of your parties, if I was welcome. Sounds too good to be true "Nope, very true I assure you... | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too "It is a bit nervy as a single guy turning up (speaking from my view point) but it is worth it for the chance to chat and meet new people. Would happily turn uo to your socials depending on the where and when | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
It is a bit nervy as a single guy turning up (speaking from my view point) but it is worth it for the chance to chat and meet new people. Would happily turn uo to your socials depending on the where and when "I agree it's worth over coming those initial nerves and sticking to your arrangements | |||
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"As organisers of house parties, ironically we find it's couples that let us down. We've never had a single guy drop out. And it's annoying, because single guy numbers are worked out according to numbers of couples. That's funny
As a single women that organises these socials, couples are more reliable than single men.
But you and I have a different dynamic and concept, but still baffles me"I think the reason we find it easier for single guys st our parties is because we invite men we k owcvery well, so out of loyalty they wouldn't let us down. We only need a few men. But we need at least double the number of couples than men. So to get the numbers we have to invite a few couples that we don't know so we'll thetefore less loyalty. Also our single guys are guaranteed sex, at the very from me  | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
It is a bit nervy as a single guy turning up (speaking from my view point) but it is worth it for the chance to chat and meet new people. Would happily turn uo to your socials depending on the where and when I agree it's worth over coming those initial nerves and sticking to your arrangements"Once you introduce yourself to everyone you can relax and be yourself. Such a nice feeling after all those nerves. | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too "I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right. Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose. I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target. | |||
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"As organisers of house parties, ironically we find it's couples that let us down. We've never had a single guy drop out. And it's annoying, because single guy numbers are worked out according to numbers of couples. That's funny
As a single women that organises these socials, couples are more reliable than single men.
But you and I have a different dynamic and concept, but still baffles me
I think the reason we find it easier for single guys st our parties is because we invite men we k owcvery well, so out of loyalty they wouldn't let us down. We only need a few men. But we need at least double the number of couples than men. So to get the numbers we have to invite a few couples that we don't know so we'll thetefore less loyalty. Also our single guys are guaranteed sex, at the very from me "I suppose we can assume that those that don't turn up, want guaranteed sex and if it's in the balance, they won't put in the effort... *sigh*
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"As organisers of house parties, ironically we find it's couples that let us down. We've never had a single guy drop out. And it's annoying, because single guy numbers are worked out according to numbers of couples. That's funny
As a single women that organises these socials, couples are more reliable than single men.
But you and I have a different dynamic and concept, but still baffles me
I think the reason we find it easier for single guys st our parties is because we invite men we k owcvery well, so out of loyalty they wouldn't let us down. We only need a few men. But we need at least double the number of couples than men. So to get the numbers we have to invite a few couples that we don't know so we'll thetefore less loyalty. Also our single guys are guaranteed sex, at the very from me
I suppose we can assume that those that don't turn up, want guaranteed sex and if it's in the balance, they won't put in the effort... *sigh*
More mfff's it is then "Sounds nice wish i could be apart of that any more places for single males at the next social? | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
It is a bit nervy as a single guy turning up (speaking from my view point) but it is worth it for the chance to chat and meet new people. Would happily turn uo to your socials depending on the where and when I agree it's worth over coming those initial nerves and sticking to your arrangements
Once you introduce yourself to everyone you can relax and be yourself. Such a nice feeling after all those nerves. "It is and you can start having fun. It's just getting over that initial hurdle | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target."Again, I agree. I've never gone to a social where there's been a prior kik chat. And I wouldn't participate in the chat if there was one, for the reasons detailed above. | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target."The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately. And for people to get to know each other a little before the actual event. There will be flirting, but you'd be surprised at the the topics that are discussed within a group, very diverse. Also, your points do make sense. May have to have stricter vetting in place  | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target.
Again, I agree. I've never gone to a social where there's been a prior kik chat. And I wouldn't participate in the chat if there was one, for the reasons detailed above. "May need to rethink the process and see how that works..  | |||
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"As organisers of house parties, ironically we find it's couples that let us down. We've never had a single guy drop out. And it's annoying, because single guy numbers are worked out according to numbers of couples. That's funny
As a single women that organises these socials, couples are more reliable than single men.
But you and I have a different dynamic and concept, but still baffles me
I think the reason we find it easier for single guys st our parties is because we invite men we k owcvery well, so out of loyalty they wouldn't let us down. We only need a few men. But we need at least double the number of couples than men. So to get the numbers we have to invite a few couples that we don't know so we'll thetefore less loyalty. Also our single guys are guaranteed sex, at the very from me
I suppose we can assume that those that don't turn up, want guaranteed sex and if it's in the balance, they won't put in the effort... *sigh*
More mfff's it is then "The men that are worth their salt will put the ground work in | |||
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"As organisers of house parties, ironically we find it's couples that let us down. We've never had a single guy drop out. And it's annoying, because single guy numbers are worked out according to numbers of couples. That's funny
As a single women that organises these socials, couples are more reliable than single men.
But you and I have a different dynamic and concept, but still baffles me
I think the reason we find it easier for single guys st our parties is because we invite men we k owcvery well, so out of loyalty they wouldn't let us down. We only need a few men. But we need at least double the number of couples than men. So to get the numbers we have to invite a few couples that we don't know so we'll thetefore less loyalty. Also our single guys are guaranteed sex, at the very from me
I suppose we can assume that those that don't turn up, want guaranteed sex and if it's in the balance, they won't put in the effort... *sigh*
More mfff's it is then
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target.
The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately.
And for people to get to know each other a little before the actual event.
There will be flirting, but you'd be surprised at the the topics that are discussed within a group, very diverse.
Also, your points do make sense.
May have to have stricter vetting in place "some men only join kik groups to private message the women in them, or even other men for pic swaps. i think maybe invite more men to them? so long as they're respectful and follow your rules for the social. my socials were mostly single men, and they seemed to have a good time. i've only banned one guy from turning up and that's coz i thought he'd ruin my social. like you say it's a social. there's no expectation of sex really and it's focused more on getting your face known and meeting new people, any people, i think so anyway so i never ban anyone so long as they follow my rules they get to come. | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target.
Again, I agree. I've never gone to a social where there's been a prior kik chat. And I wouldn't participate in the chat if there was one, for the reasons detailed above. "Also, not all those at the social are from fab. Some are on other sites like Killing kittens, SDC, etc | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. " A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with? | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target.
Again, I agree. I've never gone to a social where there's been a prior kik chat. And I wouldn't participate in the chat if there was one, for the reasons detailed above.
Also, not all those at the social are from fab. Some are on other sites like Killing kittens, SDC, etc "sounds like a single guys play ground | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with? "No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera. Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women. "Sexy Saturday Social: This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle. Frisky Friday: An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too. " Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think. Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
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Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service"So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different? | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
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Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different?"Same as the northern socials everyone is welcome. They where a great laugh and very well attended. I wouldnt have attended if i had to submit myself for aproval though. | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
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Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service"It's not a discount escort service Alan and was not meant to come off that way. But is simply the truth. The women in the group are in control. We are happy to have women only socials too and we do, but if it is a singles social, they would like to know which men attend. | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of? "Also, the original post was not the question of how I run or word my events, but why men after being vetted, drop out. Especially closer to the time of the event. | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
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Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
It's not a discount escort service Alan and was not meant to come off that way. But is simply the truth. The women in the group are in control. We are happy to have women only socials too and we do, but if it is a singles social, they would like to know which men attend. "judging by the thread...not many sorrrry had to get that in | |||
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"Like i say what youve done is make a very unequal and high pressure environment for the men. Everyone has had a say on thier attendance but theyve had no say in anyone elses. Which obviously results in a lot not fancying the situation same as single women wouldnt go to such an event roles reversed. " As house party organisers going for a male:female ratio of 4:3, i honestly don't know how to invite guests in a fair manner. It's easy to get guys, and harder to get couples and we need more couples due to ratios. If we are to invite more single guys then we will need to get women in to balance the numbers, and it's super hard to get single ladies. So what can we do? We just have to use our biased judgment as to which guys that invite. I would be amazed if any guys at our parties feels like a performing seal though. | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
"
Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different?
Same as the northern socials everyone is welcome.
They where a great laugh and very well attended.
I wouldnt have attended if i had to submit myself for aproval though."But these men did. They knowingly messaged me to attend an event, I've told them they would be vetted. In no way am I twisting their arm to do it. | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
"
Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different?
Same as the northern socials everyone is welcome.
They where a great laugh and very well attended.
I wouldnt have attended if i had to submit myself for aproval though."What sort of male:female ratios do you get at these socials? | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Also, the original post was not the question of how I run or word my events, but why men after being vetted, drop out. Especially closer to the time of the event. "And i gave you a reason its high pressure. I mean during that kik chat they are likley to find out which 3 women "approved" them. If they dont like any of those 3 then theyre more likley to drop out. Also with it being them having the final say what happens on the night if they dont like any of those who approved them do they go and complain to you and the man gets rather embarrasingly asked to leave and left on his own in central london? I very much doubt youd have any success on here if you tried to start a social where you told single women theyd have to be preaproved by the men. As shocking as it may be a lot of the more reliable guys on here have the same level off self respect as the women | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
"
Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different?
Same as the northern socials everyone is welcome.
They where a great laugh and very well attended.
I wouldnt have attended if i had to submit myself for aproval though.
What sort of male:female ratios do you get at these socials?"Was pretty mixed couples mainly (as always) single women second most populus (there was a bi fem social jist before so they all came too) and single men making up the minority (as always) | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
"
Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different?
Same as the northern socials everyone is welcome.
They where a great laugh and very well attended.
I wouldnt have attended if i had to submit myself for aproval though.
What sort of male:female ratios do you get at these socials?
Was pretty mixed couples mainly (as always) single women second most populus (there was a bi fem social jist before so they all came too) and single men making up the minority (as always)"If that can be achieved with an 'open to all policy' that's fine. | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. A performing seal? Because women are in control of who they would like to socialise with?
No because it sounds like the single men arent equal theyre there purely for the entertainment of othera.
Lets swap the gendes in the description and see if this sounds inviting to single women.
"Sexy Saturday Social:
This is an event aimed at Couples and Single men with the addition of a handful of single women. Treat this night as any night you would have for night out on the town. The venue will usually be a central London bar with a sexy vibe to set the mood for the rest of the night. New and experienced swingers welcome to mix and mingle.
Frisky Friday:
An event to socialise and enjoy connecting with like minded singles. The MEN are in control. They have the final say as to which women are invited to the group and I do my best to accommodate their requests. Couples who enjoy the company of single women are welcome too.
"
Seems a bit off when its written that way round dont you think.
Sounds less like a social and more discount escort service
So how would you like to be treated as a single man in the scene. What would you like to see couples do better or different?
Same as the northern socials everyone is welcome.
They where a great laugh and very well attended.
I wouldnt have attended if i had to submit myself for aproval though.
What sort of male:female ratios do you get at these socials?"2 women to every man I would say at the end of the day. | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Also, the original post was not the question of how I run or word my events, but why men after being vetted, drop out. Especially closer to the time of the event. "We may never know their reasons we can only assume an handful of things like getting cold feet, seeing if they would be invited to attend, or having something better to do but I'm sure it's nowhere near as good as a mfffffffffffffffff | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Also, the original post was not the question of how I run or word my events, but why men after being vetted, drop out. Especially closer to the time of the event.
And i gave you a reason its high pressure.
I mean during that kik chat they are likley to find out which 3 women "approved" them. If they dont like any of those 3 then theyre more likley to drop out.
Also with it being them having the final say what happens on the night if they dont like any of those who approved them do they go and complain to you and the man gets rather embarrasingly asked to leave and left on his own in central london?
I very much doubt youd have any success on here if you tried to start a social where you told single women theyd have to be preaproved by the men.
As shocking as it may be a lot of the more reliable guys on here have the same level off self respect as the women
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Also, the original post was not the question of how I run or word my events, but why men after being vetted, drop out. Especially closer to the time of the event.
And i gave you a reason its high pressure.
I mean during that kik chat they are likley to find out which 3 women "approved" them. If they dont like any of those 3 then theyre more likley to drop out.
A FAIR AND POSSIBLE POINT
Also with it being them having the final say what happens on the night if they dont like any of those who approved them do they go and complain to you and the man gets rather embarrasingly asked to leave and left on his own in central london?
NO, HE'S NOT A RENT A MAN FOR THE NIGHT, HE'S A PERSON WITH HIS OWN MIND. THE WOMEN IN THE GROUP AREN'T HEARTLESS NOR FORCEFUL IN THEIR APPROACH.
I very much doubt youd have any success on here if you tried to start a social where you told single women theyd have to be preaproved by the men.
NO OF COURSE NOT, BUT THERE ARE MORE SINGLE MEN THAN WOMEN ON FAB AND THOSE OTHER SITES, SO A VETTING IS DONE.
As shocking as it may be a lot of the more reliable guys on here have the same level off self respect as the women
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people " Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. " Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out " Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. " More or less of then than youve said no? Ive not said anything about harpies. Im just pointing out it's not a position you'd ever ask single women to put themsleves in. Your justification was "NO OF COURSE NOT, BUT THERE ARE MORE SINGLE MEN THAN WOMEN ON FAB AND THOSE OTHER SITES, SO A VETTING IS DONE.[sic]" Yet you're complaing youre ending up with a 2:1 female to male ratio. So it kinda shows a vetting is unnessecery. The only reason to vet in this case is you only want single men who are deemed attractive by the women present | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of? "It seems strange but I certainly wouldn't drop out of any arranged socials although from past Kik grips I've been in you find the younger men shouting about what they are going to do must most loose their bottle.... | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. More or less of then than youve said no? Ive not said anything about harpies. Im just pointing out it's not a position you'd ever ask single women to put themsleves in. Your justification was "NO OF COURSE NOT, BUT THERE ARE MORE SINGLE MEN THAN WOMEN ON FAB AND THOSE OTHER SITES, SO A VETTING IS DONE.[sic]" Yet you're complaing youre ending up with a 2:1 female to male ratio. So it kinda shows a vetting is unnessecery. The only reason to vet in this case is you only want single men who are deemed attractive by the women present " Yes, as stated on my LondonSwingSocial profile, the socials are like Match-making /dating events for swingers and singles | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. More or less of then than youve said no? Ive not said anything about harpies. Im just pointing out it's not a position you'd ever ask single women to put themsleves in. Your justification was "NO OF COURSE NOT, BUT THERE ARE MORE SINGLE MEN THAN WOMEN ON FAB AND THOSE OTHER SITES, SO A VETTING IS DONE.[sic]" Yet you're complaing youre ending up with a 2:1 female to male ratio. So it kinda shows a vetting is unnessecery. The only reason to vet in this case is you only want single men who are deemed attractive by the women present Yes, as stated on my LondonSwingSocial profile, the socials are like Match-making /dating events for swingers and singles " So since you have an overabundance of single women why noy start vetting them? | |||
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" Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. " Yeeeeah...I kinda get the impression you're saying this to dangle the possibility of sex to make socials seem more enticing to men. We men are simple folk, the equation is simple: Invested effort(for sex) = time / money spent Men will leave if they feel that the chances of sex happening are slimmer as the night progresses. Nothing more to it really. This is a sex site, not a social network. People come expecting sex, not socials. Its understandable that socials are required for women to feel safe, but dont expect men to be particularly interested in attending them. Especially considering swingers clubs are not in everyone's interest. | |||
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"Based purely on the swingsocial profile's description of the events it sounds extremely uninviting for men. Basicsly you're a performing seal and prejudged completley (women are in co trol, have final say on what men attened etc). Sounds very unsocial and more like "can wr get some free rent boys". Id feel very ubcomfortable at such an event as id feel like turning down a woman or couple would have me out on my ear. " Thank you. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. " Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense "But she's not playing matchmaker. She organising for swingers (or people interested in swinging) to get together in one place. She's inviting single men who are swingers or who are interested in swinging. Ideal situation for a man to meet a couple for threesome fun. There's no way POF would facilitate that! We met met one of our single playmates from a swingers social. We couldn't have done that through POF or Match, because those sites don't allow couples for starters. | |||
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" Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. Yeeeeah...I kinda get the impression you're saying this to dangle the possibility of sex to make socials seem more enticing to men. We men are simple folk, the equation is simple: Invested effort(for sex) = time / money spent Men will leave if they feel that the chances of sex happening are slimmer as the night progresses. Nothing more to it really. This is a sex site, not a social network. People come expecting sex, not socials. Its understandable that socials are required for women to feel safe, but dont expect men to be particularly interested in attending them. Especially considering swingers clubs are not in everyone's interest. " This is actually a swingers site, but sure, use it as you will, just as I do. Not all attendees are from this site. Again, not twisting anyone's arm here to attend, they messaged and showed interest in the event.
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. " I think a lot of men aren't really interested in swinging. They just want sex, and the social element in swinging is a turn-off. | |||
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. " The guys that actually do attend and have the balls to, have an amazing night. I do understand that it can be daunting for some, but once they do pick up the courage to attend, they have a blast. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks. "I think if men have no interest in attending a swingers social, they should ask to attend. That's just naf. I suppose at least Superfreak knows he doesn't like swinging in the traditional al sense, so he's not wasting anybodys time. However he shouldn't criticise those who use this site for swinging purposes. | |||
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. I think a lot of men aren't really interested in swinging. They just want sex, and the social element in swinging is a turn-off. " And that's how they view sites like this, just a "sex site". Swinging is a sociable experience. It's not totally NSA in my opinion. Yes there is sex, orgies, groups sex, threesome, etc. But all that is initially started with a little chat and getting to know you a bit beforehand. Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
I think if men have no interest in attending a swingers social, they should ask to attend. That's just naf. I suppose at least Superfreak knows he doesn't like swinging in the traditional al sense, so he's not wasting anybodys time. However he shouldn't criticise those who use this site for swinging purposes. "Why would sigle men like "traditional" swinging when we get treated worse for it? Like the guy said, it's like men are 'tolerated' as if we are lucky to be involved. It's a disrespectful attitude and put so many off. | |||
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"As some men have stated here, it may be your event and events in general. This group sounds controlling and sexist tbh. You "vet" the men and not the women, even thought there are more women. It's also the main reason I refuse to go to clubs. You don't seem to respect men. " Actually, I do vet women. I initially do that. I don't respect men? Okay. When you're inbox is full of nonsense and you're followed by a group of men wanking to only wank in your face once you start to play, yet host socials that is inclusive of men, then you can tell me I'm not respectful of men.
A kik group consists of 50 people usually it's 2 men to 1 women, but as the event nears the numbers change and it's more single women then single men. But I'll always have the lovely men who do attend and have a good time with the couples and ladies. | |||
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"As some men have stated here, it may be your event and events in general. This group sounds controlling and sexist tbh. You "vet" the men and not the women, even thought there are more women. It's also the main reason I refuse to go to clubs. You don't seem to respect men. Actually, I do vet women. I initially do that. I don't respect men? Okay. When you're inbox is full of nonsense and you're followed by a group of men wanking to only wank in your face once you start to play, yet host socials that is inclusive of men, then you can tell me I'm not respectful of men.
A kik group consists of 50 people usually it's 2 men to 1 women, but as the event nears the numbers change and it's more single women then single men. But I'll always have the lovely men who do attend and have a good time with the couples and ladies. "Why should your inbox have any bearing on your view of men you don't know? As you brought the inbox up, it must be a factor. | |||
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"Reading your other posts however, you'll likely just tell yourself that we are wrong and that you are right so no skin off my nose and I'll leave it at that." I have taken a lot of opinions into consideration, but don't take to kindly to insults. And as you have blocked me, no need for you to participate in my thread any further. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
I think if men have no interest in attending a swingers social, they should ask to attend. That's just naf. I suppose at least Superfreak knows he doesn't like swinging in the traditional al sense, so he's not wasting anybodys time. However he shouldn't criticise those who use this site for swinging purposes.
Why would sigle men like "traditional" swinging when we get treated worse for it? Like the guy said, it's like men are 'tolerated' as if we are lucky to be involved. It's a disrespectful attitude and put so many off."Obviously they are not going to be interested in swinging if they consistently get treated badly. This comes up a lot about single men getting treated badly. I'll have to ask my single male swinger friends if they have experienced bad treatment on the scene. We certainly don't treat single men badly. In fact 2 of our single male friends are organisers of house parties themselves, so no loss of power as far as they're concerned. | |||
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"The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately. " Why not? Is it because at the last minute the details include the sudden inclusion of a fee for the men (which Fab doesn't allow)? | |||
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"The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately. Why not? Is it because at the last minute the details include the sudden inclusion of a fee for the men (which Fab doesn't allow)? " Because you can't send messages to multiple inboxes. You have to copy and paste multiple times which is tedious and tie consuming...fuck me, you lot see conspiracy everywhere... | |||
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"The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately. Why not? Is it because at the last minute the details include the sudden inclusion of a fee for the men (which Fab doesn't allow)? " No, because you have to send messages off individually. My socials initially were free, but everyone that attends now contributes a fiver and they get a drink with that. Single men, single women and each member of a couple. I don't do a special price for men. I do these events for fun. | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them)" That sounds more like the behaviour of married/attached guys......like the fantasy, but can't actually get out to play. Vetting procedure for your "single" guys may need to be tightened up? | |||
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"The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately. Why not? Is it because at the last minute the details include the sudden inclusion of a fee for the men (which Fab doesn't allow)? No, because you have to send messages off individually. My socials initially were free, but everyone that attends now contributes a fiver and they get a drink with that. Single men, single women and each member of a couple. I don't do a special price for men. I do these events for fun. " Ah damn you for not charging a large fee for single men. You have deprived lots of an excuse to whinge. How dare you make it fair! | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. " Considering that sometimes only one guy turned up, was it the friend who turned up but not the original 'invitee'? | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of? "Because London is miles away | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of? "I can see why a lot of guys have a problem with this set up but as someone who is enjoying and making the most of the club scene, the chance to go to a meet, knowing that a few girls there have already decided they like the look of me, and then go on to a club I've never been to before with a group I've had the chance to chat to already rather than showing up alone, paying my fee and then finding out who's in sounds a pretty sweet deal. Sign me up. | |||
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"I've read most of the comments op. I DO think some are overly harsh/unfair - but there are one or two observations I'd like to make! The Kik group idea I can see working well for groups of women and the more mature guys of the group (though I doubt many of the guys invited are 40+?) Most younger men aren't great at written communication (communication in general - but particularly written) and often prefer - I think - to communicate on a 1-1 when it comes to women - as if they're comfortable with that woman they'd feel more relaxed! When you said a load of topics were discussed on the Kik group - I'm guessing more of the topics would have been relevant to the women than to the men? Perhaps in future invite the men to the Kik group if they're interested - but be willing to let them stay out of it and receive details on fab if they prefer - or just add them at the end when it comes to final vetting details! Secondly - there are far more guys than women on fab - at least 10 times as many - and because of that - women have the opportunity to meet men who are far more attractive than they'd normally get to meet! I do think it might be possible that the men who the ladies find attractive may not find the ladies themselves attractive! Life doesn't always fit together that neatly! Therefore if they later get an offer from someone they find more attractive, or a promise of guaranteed sex rather than the uncertainty of a social - they're more likely to take it and drop out! This is not a slight on your group of women btw - you may well all be stunning - it's just an observation based on my experience of fab/swinging so far! " | |||
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Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks. "Clearly the men see it that way. There is really little point in defending your actions as they're not getting you the results you want. You should now opt to change them to better suit your target demographic, not sit here and complain ennough for the white knight brigade to get the message and coddle your actions. If you want to appeal to a target demographic, cater to that target demographic. Dont sit and blame the customer for not being interested in your product. Such mentalities are unbelievably annoying. | |||
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. I think a lot of men aren't really interested in swinging. They just want sex, and the social element in swinging is a turn-off. " Now you're getting somewhere. But, tough. Its funny the people who make statements like this will then come out and say..."swinging can be enjoyed whichever way the relevant user intends". LOL that is, until it no longer becomes convenient for the person in question | |||
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. I think a lot of men aren't really interested in swinging. They just want sex, and the social element in swinging is a turn-off. And that's how they view sites like this, just a "sex site". Swinging is a sociable experience. It's not totally NSA in my opinion. Yes there is sex, orgies, groups sex, threesome, etc. But all that is initially started with a little chat and getting to know you a bit beforehand. Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know. " Fabswingers is not about NSA? Why? Because you say it isnt?? Christ almighty, the entitlement from some men and women on here... | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
Clearly the men see it that way. There is really little point in defending your actions as they're not getting you the results you want. You should now opt to change them to better suit your target demographic, not sit here and complain ennough for the white knight brigade to get the message and coddle your actions.
If you want to appeal to a target demographic, cater to that target demographic. Dont sit and blame the customer for not being interested in your product. Such mentalities are unbelievably annoying."I think you are partially misunderstanding the OP. She wasn't complaining that men aren't interested in attending swinging socials. She was complaining that they request to attend the social and then change there mind. These men aren't like you Superfreak, where they know what they want and will stick to it. Men who have no interest in the social aspect of swinging and don't wish to compromise on their interests, should be more like you and stick to what they want. But for a man to request something they don't actually want is messing about. Good for you for being a single man who is clear about what they want. | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event...
and most likely get back on kik...for 'fun' chats n tittylation.. or trying to effectively get the possibility of getting one or two of the girls to meet before the social of course...the intent to wait for a social just isnt in some of us.
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. I think a lot of men aren't really interested in swinging. They just want sex, and the social element in swinging is a turn-off. And that's how they view sites like this, just a "sex site". Swinging is a sociable experience. It's not totally NSA in my opinion. Yes there is sex, orgies, groups sex, threesome, etc. But all that is initially started with a little chat and getting to know you a bit beforehand. Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know. Fabswingers is not about NSA? Why? Because you say it isnt?? Christ almighty, the entitlement from some men and women on here..." She didn't say Fabswingers is not about NSA, she expressed an opinion that swinging is not totally NSA. That is her opinion, and possibly her experience. She certainly wasn't saying she's entitled to anything. | |||
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"Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know. " This is by far the best thread I have come across in a while! Impressive from all sides. Most people will never learn true potential of this site... it's just the way it is. The men in here have shown amazing debating skills and I agree with some of the opinions. If you was up against anyone else you would have secured a rare victory for us single guys. But this is Mae... I have been lucky enough to travel all over UK and be involved in some of the best events. I have experience in how things work in the North and South. Mae has things spot on for her events. I know she will take some comments on board from this thread and make her events even better! However... "Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know" Mae that is cheeky, but informative
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"Good on you OP for trying to get this all together. Unfortunately alot of the single men on here are fantasists or like to moan about how unfair it is on them. When something is actually offered, that they can actually attend and meet real life women, they bottle it. Full of shit fantasists. Get back to complaining about the lack of meets little boys!! Hate to burst your bubbles but it is out there if you have the balls and put in the effort. I think a lot of men aren't really interested in swinging. They just want sex, and the social element in swinging is a turn-off. Now you're getting somewhere. But, tough. Its funny the people who make statements like this will then come out and say..."swinging can be enjoyed whichever way the relevant user intends". LOL that is, until it no longer becomes convenient for the person in question "It's actually not tough. Because as a couple who are interested in swinging, all we need to do is find the guys who also enjoy swinging. We've never had difficulty in finding suitable single men who have, like us, chosen swinging as a lifestyle choice. So no it's not tough at all. And I have no issues with men who choosing to use this site as a fuck site, because it does serve that purpose too. As long as they are honest about their expectations. But you should not be surprised or annoyed that other people choose to use a website, with 'swingers' in the title as a swingers site. That doesn't effect you. Mix with those who seek what you want, and there will be nothing to complain about. | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event...
and most likely get back on kik...for 'fun' chats n tittylation.. or trying to effectively get the possibility of getting one or two of the girls to meet before the social of course...the intent to wait for a social just isnt in some of us.
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event...
and most likely get back on kik...for 'fun' chats n tittylation.. or trying to effectively get the possibility of getting one or two of the girls to meet before the social of course...the intent to wait for a social just isnt in some of us.
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You're cynical
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P.s I am stealing that and using for my status update.
Respect "I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known?? This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too. | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event...
and most likely get back on kik...for 'fun' chats n tittylation.. or trying to effectively get the possibility of getting one or two of the girls to meet before the social of course...the intent to wait for a social just isnt in some of us.
...call me cynical...
You're cynical
I should have said call me a cunt..cos I know that sweet face would never say that
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
Clearly the men see it that way. There is really little point in defending your actions as they're not getting you the results you want. You should now opt to change them to better suit your target demographic, not sit here and complain ennough for the white knight brigade to get the message and coddle your actions.
If you want to appeal to a target demographic, cater to that target demographic. Dont sit and blame the customer for not being interested in your product. Such mentalities are unbelievably annoying.
I think you are partially misunderstanding the OP. She wasn't complaining that men aren't interested in attending swinging socials. She was complaining that they request to attend the social and then change there mind. These men aren't like you Superfreak, where they know what they want and will stick to it. Men who have no interest in the social aspect of swinging and don't wish to compromise on their interests, should be more like you and stick to what they want. But for a man to request something they don't actually want is messing about. Good for you for being a single man who is clear about what they want. "If they did not turn up they were never interested. They just didnt have the ettiquette to say no/provide notice. Thats the way its always been. I find it amusing when people say "my meet was ultra keen but then she stopped answering the day we were meant to meet up", it means she was never that keen. The same is the case here...OP needs to ask why is that. I speculate (and key word is SPECULATE) that, as someone pointed out before, OP is probably "vetting" according to the same thing all "upmarket" (looking at you KK) events vet for...looks and perceived status. Thing is though, looks and perceived status provide little to no indication of whether someone is a reliable person, hell it doesnt give much of an indication as to whether someone is a good shag. If you're gonna tar everyone who doesnt meet up with the "stick to what they want" brush than the same must be thrown at couples and women too...because the responses those frustrated threads get is a lot different from this one. As said, OP does not cater to the market and the market responds negatively. Basic sexual economics. If people are going to complain about men "bottling it" or not having the balls to show up, maybe they should make those events more easy going for men. Less judgement, more feedback, less "vetting"...dont just sit here and wait for the imaginary Christian Grey type and then cry when those dont show up. | |||
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P.s I am stealing that and using for my status update.
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too. "What exactly are you saying that single men should stop doing? | |||
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"I've organised a couple of social events in Reading, just in local pubs so very normal nights. One of the pubs was holding a pub quiz so we did that and it was a good way to get people to chat together and for everyone to feel part of the group. I found that a lot more single men turned up and it was getting single women to come that was a problem. I didn't vet anyone, if they messaged asking to come, that was fine by me "I agree, it's so much harder to get single women. We have a 100% show for single guys at our house parties and I wish we could invite more, but that would tip the numbers over. But if we could get more single ladies to balance the number we would be able to say yes to more guys. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
Clearly the men see it that way. There is really little point in defending your actions as they're not getting you the results you want. You should now opt to change them to better suit your target demographic, not sit here and complain ennough for the white knight brigade to get the message and coddle your actions.
If you want to appeal to a target demographic, cater to that target demographic. Dont sit and blame the customer for not being interested in your product. Such mentalities are unbelievably annoying.
I think you are partially misunderstanding the OP. She wasn't complaining that men aren't interested in attending swinging socials. She was complaining that they request to attend the social and then change there mind. These men aren't like you Superfreak, where they know what they want and will stick to it. Men who have no interest in the social aspect of swinging and don't wish to compromise on their interests, should be more like you and stick to what they want. But for a man to request something they don't actually want is messing about. Good for you for being a single man who is clear about what they want.
If they did not turn up they were never interested. They just didnt have the ettiquette to say no/provide notice. Thats the way its always been. I find it amusing when people say "my meet was ultra keen but then she stopped answering the day we were meant to meet up", it means she was never that keen. The same is the case here...OP needs to ask why is that.
I speculate (and key word is SPECULATE) that, as someone pointed out before, OP is probably "vetting" according to the same thing all "upmarket" (looking at you KK) events vet for...looks and perceived status. Thing is though, looks and perceived status provide little to no indication of whether someone is a reliable person, hell it doesnt give much of an indication as to whether someone is a good shag.
If you're gonna tar everyone who doesnt meet up with the "stick to what they want" brush than the same must be thrown at couples and women too...because the responses those frustrated threads get is a lot different from this one.
As said, OP does not cater to the market and the market responds negatively. Basic sexual economics. If people are going to complain about men "bottling it" or not having the balls to show up, maybe they should make those events more easy going for men. Less judgement, more feedback, less "vetting"...dont just sit here and wait for the imaginary Christian Grey type and then cry when those dont show up."Well maybe, but our personal experience of playing with single men in the swing scene is exptremely positive. So we're not complaining. If single men didn't want what we offer they wouldn't take it and they wouldn't come back for more. It's posdible that the OP is inviting the wrong guys, if they are not showing | |||
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P.s I am stealing that and using for my status update.
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too. "The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted. | |||
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"Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know. This is by far the best thread I have come across in a while! Impressive from all sides. Most people will never learn true potential of this site... it's just the way it is. The men in here have shown amazing debating skills and I agree with some of the opinions. If you was up against anyone else you would have secured a rare victory for us single guys. But this is Mae... I have been lucky enough to travel all over UK and be involved in some of the best events. I have experience in how things work in the North and South. Mae has things spot on for her events. I know she will take some comments on board from this thread and make her events even better! However... "Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know" Mae that is cheeky, but informative
P.s I am stealing that and using for my status update.
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too.
The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted."or ghosted after uve shagged them | |||
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"Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know. This is by far the best thread I have come across in a while! Impressive from all sides. Most people will never learn true potential of this site... it's just the way it is. The men in here have shown amazing debating skills and I agree with some of the opinions. If you was up against anyone else you would have secured a rare victory for us single guys. But this is Mae... I have been lucky enough to travel all over UK and be involved in some of the best events. I have experience in how things work in the North and South. Mae has things spot on for her events. I know she will take some comments on board from this thread and make her events even better! However... "Those that know, know. And those that don't, well... They will never know" Mae that is cheeky, but informative
P.s I am stealing that and using for my status update.
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too.
The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted.
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P.s I am stealing that and using for my status update.
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too.
The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted.
or ghosted after uve shagged them
Or once they've found out you bought a Taylor Swift album that one time! "I dont listen to music...barely even know who she is lol.. anyway..getting back to it, nice tits! | |||
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The hardest part would be walking through the door, sounds like they are boys not men if they can't turn up
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. Or maybe they just don't need too...... We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
The hardest part would be walking through the door, sounds like they are boys not men if they can't turn up
Or maybe they just don't need to?
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
Clearly the men see it that way. There is really little point in defending your actions as they're not getting you the results you want. You should now opt to change them to better suit your target demographic, not sit here and complain ennough for the white knight brigade to get the message and coddle your actions.
If you want to appeal to a target demographic, cater to that target demographic. Dont sit and blame the customer for not being interested in your product. Such mentalities are unbelievably annoying.
I think you are partially misunderstanding the OP. She wasn't complaining that men aren't interested in attending swinging socials. She was complaining that they request to attend the social and then change there mind. These men aren't like you Superfreak, where they know what they want and will stick to it. Men who have no interest in the social aspect of swinging and don't wish to compromise on their interests, should be more like you and stick to what they want. But for a man to request something they don't actually want is messing about. Good for you for being a single man who is clear about what they want.
If they did not turn up they were never interested. They just didnt have the ettiquette to say no/provide notice. Thats the way its always been. I find it amusing when people say "my meet was ultra keen but then she stopped answering the day we were meant to meet up", it means she was never that keen. The same is the case here...OP needs to ask why is that.
I speculate (and key word is SPECULATE) that, as someone pointed out before, OP is probably "vetting" according to the same thing all "upmarket" (looking at you KK) events vet for...looks and perceived status. Thing is though, looks and perceived status provide little to no indication of whether someone is a reliable person, hell it doesnt give much of an indication as to whether someone is a good shag.
If you're gonna tar everyone who doesnt meet up with the "stick to what they want" brush than the same must be thrown at couples and women too...because the responses those frustrated threads get is a lot different from this one.
As said, OP does not cater to the market and the market responds negatively. Basic sexual economics. If people are going to complain about men "bottling it" or not having the balls to show up, maybe they should make those events more easy going for men. Less judgement, more feedback, less "vetting"...dont just sit here and wait for the imaginary Christian Grey type and then cry when those dont show up.
Well maybe, but our personal experience of playing with single men in the swing scene is exptremely positive. So we're not complaining. If single men didn't want what we offer they wouldn't take it and they wouldn't come back for more. It's posdible that the OP is inviting the wrong guys, if they are not showing"You keep saying this as if it measn anything, that everyone elses experiences are supposed to be exactly like yours. They're not, saying it repeatedly wont make that fact change either. People make plenty of offer that they have no intention of ever committing to, its called being too polite to say no. Surely you cant deny this is a common occurrence in every facet of life?? | |||
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"Possibly they are not interested! Or maybe they feel they haven't the chance with any of the women at the social. I think us men carry a certain label when it comes to sex, you can look a million dollars but if you've no personality then I'm out. I'm not trying to insinuate that you female friends haven't a personality, but maybe they just don't click with one another. All fair points, but a month later these fellas are asking to be added to the next social event...
and most likely get back on kik...for 'fun' chats n tittylation.. or trying to effectively get the possibility of getting one or two of the girls to meet before the social of course...the intent to wait for a social just isnt in some of us.
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You're cynical
I should have said call me a cunt..cos I know that sweet face would never say that
Wanna bet?
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too.
The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted."And what is the chance that the "perfect partner" has absolutely no intention of meeting whoever is doing the sifting. Once again, this is the issue A LOT of chagrin around these parts boils down to. Lopsided ratios and women perceiving that it means an endless buffet...what u actually tend to find (and I say this from personal experience) is that the more you adhere to the standards of many, the less interested you get in attending filler stuff like socials/KIK groups. Opportunity is power, I have always felt that the shallow nature of all internet dating/sex sites rewards men with certain attributes and these men then become more and more unwilling to partake in any more than the bare minimum required to get meets. This is what I speculated was the OP's problem, only interested in the most attractive/desirable/investment orientated (thats what 99% of these "vetted" groups tend to do) and then learning that men with more options will become far less likely to attend anything which doesnt guarantee a shag at the end of the night. May those same men be inaccurate in their assessment of OPs event? Maybe, but the fact is, they're not showing up. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Also, this is fabswingers not POF. If you want to play matchmaker, go to Match/OKC. LOL no wonder men have absolutely no interest in attending this nonsense
Yes yes, we know what you think... You aren't interested in what I do, fair enough, but it's not nonsense thanks.
Clearly the men see it that way. There is really little point in defending your actions as they're not getting you the results you want. You should now opt to change them to better suit your target demographic, not sit here and complain ennough for the white knight brigade to get the message and coddle your actions.
If you want to appeal to a target demographic, cater to that target demographic. Dont sit and blame the customer for not being interested in your product. Such mentalities are unbelievably annoying.
I think you are partially misunderstanding the OP. She wasn't complaining that men aren't interested in attending swinging socials. She was complaining that they request to attend the social and then change there mind. These men aren't like you Superfreak, where they know what they want and will stick to it. Men who have no interest in the social aspect of swinging and don't wish to compromise on their interests, should be more like you and stick to what they want. But for a man to request something they don't actually want is messing about. Good for you for being a single man who is clear about what they want.
If they did not turn up they were never interested. They just didnt have the ettiquette to say no/provide notice. Thats the way its always been. I find it amusing when people say "my meet was ultra keen but then she stopped answering the day we were meant to meet up", it means she was never that keen. The same is the case here...OP needs to ask why is that.
I speculate (and key word is SPECULATE) that, as someone pointed out before, OP is probably "vetting" according to the same thing all "upmarket" (looking at you KK) events vet for...looks and perceived status. Thing is though, looks and perceived status provide little to no indication of whether someone is a reliable person, hell it doesnt give much of an indication as to whether someone is a good shag.
If you're gonna tar everyone who doesnt meet up with the "stick to what they want" brush than the same must be thrown at couples and women too...because the responses those frustrated threads get is a lot different from this one.
As said, OP does not cater to the market and the market responds negatively. Basic sexual economics. If people are going to complain about men "bottling it" or not having the balls to show up, maybe they should make those events more easy going for men. Less judgement, more feedback, less "vetting"...dont just sit here and wait for the imaginary Christian Grey type and then cry when those dont show up.
Well maybe, but our personal experience of playing with single men in the swing scene is exptremely positive. So we're not complaining. If single men didn't want what we offer they wouldn't take it and they wouldn't come back for more. It's posdible that the OP is inviting the wrong guys, if they are not showing
You keep saying this as if it measn anything, that everyone elses experiences are supposed to be exactly like yours. They're not, saying it repeatedly wont make that fact change either. People make plenty of offer that they have no intention of ever committing to, its called being too polite to say no. Surely you cant deny this is a common occurrence in every facet of life?? "I didnt say that other people's experiences are the same as mine. We all have different experiences, and the forums are a good place to share experiences. And my experiences are like being proof that some guys (maybe not many, but enough) enjoy the social aspect of the swing scene. So for people like the OP who would like more of those guys attending her social, the million dollar question is how dies she find them? | |||
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too.
The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted.
And what is the chance that the "perfect partner" has absolutely no intention of meeting whoever is doing the sifting. Once again, this is the issue A LOT of chagrin around these parts boils down to. Lopsided ratios and women perceiving that it means an endless buffet...what u actually tend to find (and I say this from personal experience) is that the more you adhere to the standards of many, the less interested you get in attending filler stuff like socials/KIK groups. Opportunity is power, I have always felt that the shallow nature of all internet dating/sex sites rewards men with certain attributes and these men then become more and more unwilling to partake in any more than the bare minimum required to get meets.
This is what I speculated was the OP's problem, only interested in the most attractive/desirable/investment orientated (thats what 99% of these "vetted" groups tend to do) and then learning that men with more options will become far less likely to attend anything which doesnt guarantee a shag at the end of the night. May those same men be inaccurate in their assessment of OPs event? Maybe, but the fact is, they're not showing up. "This I can relate too
I don't see the fact I don't attend these gatherings means I'm missing out on anything?
I don't meet MF couples anyway, I get my fun through my inbox..As I imagine many others do
These meets seem very exposing
I'm not looking to be part of an elite swinging group?
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I agree, she gives me the impression that she probably will. But, if not for the detractors in thsi thread, how would she have known??
This is what I find amusing about this messageboard. This would be a great way for people to tweak their approach but the women just want to be coddled and the men dont want to rock the boat in fear of getting blocked. I think its a pathetic state of affairs ans indicative of the wider problems in the dating market today too.
The dating market is difficult for both men and women. That has nothing to do with individuals not wanting to speak their mind, but because internet dating has made it easy for people to sift through hundreds of profiles a day to try and find their perfect partner. If someone doesn't match up, they can be deleted.
And what is the chance that the "perfect partner" has absolutely no intention of meeting whoever is doing the sifting. Once again, this is the issue A LOT of chagrin around these parts boils down to. Lopsided ratios and women perceiving that it means an endless buffet...what u actually tend to find (and I say this from personal experience) is that the more you adhere to the standards of many, the less interested you get in attending filler stuff like socials/KIK groups. Opportunity is power, I have always felt that the shallow nature of all internet dating/sex sites rewards men with certain attributes and these men then become more and more unwilling to partake in any more than the bare minimum required to get meets.
This is what I speculated was the OP's problem, only interested in the most attractive/desirable/investment orientated (thats what 99% of these "vetted" groups tend to do) and then learning that men with more options will become far less likely to attend anything which doesnt guarantee a shag at the end of the night. May those same men be inaccurate in their assessment of OPs event? Maybe, but the fact is, they're not showing up. "Fab may be more one-sided but I think you're wrong if you think internet dating is geared directly towards women. It's just as hard for women. There's a really good book called Modern Love, which kinda nails it for me. I agree with what you say about vetted groups of people, though. It's why I'd never attend somewhere like Le Boudoir and so I'm guessing this is the same reason men aren't turning up. | |||
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"I've read most of the comments op. I DO think some are overly harsh/unfair - but there are one or two observations I'd like to make! The Kik group idea I can see working well for groups of women and the more mature guys of the group (though I doubt many of the guys invited are 40+?) Most younger men aren't great at written communication (communication in general - but particularly written) and often prefer - I think - to communicate on a 1-1 when it comes to women - as if they're comfortable with that woman they'd feel more relaxed! When you said a load of topics were discussed on the Kik group - I'm guessing more of the topics would have been relevant to the women than to the men? Perhaps in future invite the men to the Kik group if they're interested - but be willing to let them stay out of it and receive details on fab if they prefer - or just add them at the end when it comes to final vetting details! Secondly - there are far more guys than women on fab - at least 10 times as many - and because of that - women have the opportunity to meet men who are far more attractive than they'd normally get to meet! I do think it might be possible that the men who the ladies find attractive may not find the ladies themselves attractive! Life doesn't always fit together that neatly! Therefore if they later get an offer from someone they find more attractive, or a promise of guaranteed sex rather than the uncertainty of a social - they're more likely to take it and drop out! This is not a slight on your group of women btw - you may well all be stunning - it's just an observation based on my experience of fab/swinging so far! " I completely take on board what you are saying, and thank you for the constructive criticism, it has made me think for certain. Topics discussed vary and the men participate too. Obviously, I don't have complete control of the all the chat that goes on, but can always steer it back to the right direction if it sets a negative mood in the group. The men are mostly in their 30's above. Thank you again | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. Considering that sometimes only one guy turned up, was it the friend who turned up but not the original 'invitee'?" Nope, I've not yet experienced that. I have had a guy bring a friend and they both turned up d*unk that I had to tell them to leave as the crowd were uncomfortable with their behaviour. | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Ah, yes, London. So, so hard to find decent single guys, especially those of us with the nerve to actually talk to other people! Sigh...really though, OP, those living in houses with the thinnest of glass walls shouldn't be playing around with stones. Even if, perhaps, the stones aren't the biggest."Don't work around blocks | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Ah, yes, London. So, so hard to find decent single guys, especially those of us with the nerve to actually talk to other people! Sigh...really though, OP, those living in houses with the thinnest of glass walls shouldn't be playing around with stones. Even if, perhaps, the stones aren't the biggest.
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. Considering that sometimes only one guy turned up, was it the friend who turned up but not the original 'invitee'? Nope, I've not yet experienced that. I have had a guy bring a friend and they both turned up d*unk that I had to tell them to leave as the crowd were uncomfortable with their behaviour. " Leave from where? Isn't it just a table in a pub where anyone can walk in? Or do you hire a venue exclusively for the people at these socials? | |||
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"Also the other factor youve got to remeber is many of the women and couples may know each other. The blokes theyre heading to a night out in a club compeltley solo, they can't go with thier friends etc. Thats pretty daunting for a start for most people Some of the women are also attending solo as 1st timers and some fellas are people that have met some of the couples or ladies before. Ok so say sally want to go shes nervous she says can my friend jessics come? Yeah no problem Say i go i say im nervous can my mate dave come "Ah sorry no one fancies your mate dave so you have come alone" Also its london getting a one on one meet there is pretty easy. So for most guys this social actually boils down to a very simple "Do you want to go out on your own to a random bar/night club on london". As they realise that it ends up lower and lower on the list of good choices. They could just go to a random bar with thier mates and be sure theres people to talk to/they get along. And 3 possible interested people would be pretty standard for a bisy club. Or they could arrange a one on one meeet with the certainty of getting laid. The negatives rapidly out weigh the positives with the situation for single guys. There is a very big chance they dont really get along with the strangers and theres no mutual attraction with anyone then its just a rather awkward nigh out Actually, there have been many times a single guy that has been vetted by the ladies would ask if he could bring a friend along and we have said yes and they have enjoyed themselves too. I know you think we may be Harpies, but I can assure you weren't not. I also see your point about better offers and all very valid. Considering that sometimes only one guy turned up, was it the friend who turned up but not the original 'invitee'? Nope, I've not yet experienced that. I have had a guy bring a friend and they both turned up d*unk that I had to tell them to leave as the crowd were uncomfortable with their behaviour. Leave from where? Isn't it just a table in a pub where anyone can walk in? Or do you hire a venue exclusively for the people at these socials?" Yes, I find a nice bar in London specifically for the social. 30 to 40 people usually attend. | |||
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"easy. they get kik addys etc..then start seeing filthy pics, send wank vids. then its all seen n done...cheerio. I personally cant stand all this kik etc(yeah I have them, rarely use them) This sounds about right... Fair point. See, men can be timewasters too
I suppose I would say, whats the point in having a private kik group to discuss an upcoming social?- to me its really just inviting people to have personal contact info..and essentially I'll say thats what a lot of men appear to want given the many "anyone on kik,snapchat,whatsapp?"- the sole purpose isnt really to chat...I'd say I'm 99.9% right.
Lots of socials discussions can be done on the forum..a private message or two might come about I suppose.
I am just wrapping my head around what goes on in a kik group for a social..as I said, I imagine its gonna be pics n vids been sent,the banter etc etc..or a simple wank fodder target.
The kik groups is mainly for the social details to be sent all at once, as I can't do that on fab unfortunately.
And for people to get to know each other a little before the actual event.
There will be flirting, but you'd be surprised at the the topics that are discussed within a group, very diverse.
Also, your points do make sense.
May have to have stricter vetting in place
some men only join kik groups to private message the women in them, or even other men for pic swaps.
i think maybe invite more men to them? so long as they're respectful and follow your rules for the social.
my socials were mostly single men, and they seemed to have a good time. i've only banned one guy from turning up and that's coz i thought he'd ruin my social.
like you say it's a social. there's no expectation of sex really and it's focused more on getting your face known and meeting new people, any people, i think so anyway so i never ban anyone so long as they follow my rules they get to come."Agreed, broaden the kik circle and from the get go make it clear it's just social | |||
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"First of all Mae, I think what you're doing is a great idea, I would certainly love to attend one of your events if I were based in London (and met your age criteria)! Isn't it perhaps the case that a lot of single men, particularly the younger ones who grew up watching internet porn, are far more comfortable with the fantasy of women than the reality?" See even a thread asking why they cant get men to attend decends into insulting and belittling men. Can you not see why this becomes a very negative option very quickly | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Maybe they find the price of going to the club as a single guy to expensive, I bet if you invited them to a house party after more would go "How much would the trip to LB cost as a single man who is not a member say? As for some clubs that can be a very very high price | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Maybe they find the price of going to the club as a single guy to expensive, I bet if you invited them to a house party after more would go
How much would the trip to LB cost as a single man who is not a member say?
As for some clubs that can be a very very high price"LB tonight is couples only £60 for members | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Maybe they find the price of going to the club as a single guy to expensive, I bet if you invited them to a house party after more would go
How much would the trip to LB cost as a single man who is not a member say?
As for some clubs that can be a very very high price
LB tonight is couples only £60 for members "And now we might see why single men drop like flies when they find this out.... | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Maybe they find the price of going to the club as a single guy to expensive, I bet if you invited them to a house party after more would go
How much would the trip to LB cost as a single man who is not a member say?
As for some clubs that can be a very very high price
LB tonight is couples only £60 for members
And now we might see why single men drop like flies when they find this out...."I state on my profile that after the social they may do what they want after, but we choose to go to Le Boudoir after as it's a club that the ladies feel comfortable and safe in as well as for couples (especially newbies), everyone is very welcome to come along after if they want. I've noticed that socials that do not vet men have a lower number of women and couples in attendance, men then complain it's a sausage fest
I just have to find the balance is suppose.
I don't intend to degrade men or women in anyway, hence asking everyone that attends to pay a fiver, but I do not have control of what parties or clubs charge. Of course you are very welcome to ask them why there is a difference in pricing for men. | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Maybe they find the price of going to the club as a single guy to expensive, I bet if you invited them to a house party after more would go
How much would the trip to LB cost as a single man who is not a member say?
As for some clubs that can be a very very high price
LB tonight is couples only £60 for members
And now we might see why single men drop like flies when they find this out....
I state on my profile that after the social they may do what they want after, but we choose to go to Le Boudoir after as it's a club that the ladies feel comfortable and safe in as well as for couples (especially newbies), everyone is very welcome to come along after if they want.
I've noticed that socials that do not vet men have a lower number of women and couples in attendance, men then complain it's a sausage fest
I just have to find the balance is suppose.
I don't intend to degrade men or women in anyway, hence asking everyone that attends to pay a fiver, but I do not have control of what parties or clubs charge. Of course you are very welcome to ask them why there is a difference in pricing for men. "I don't think vetting or not vetting men has any bearing on fewer women and couples turning up to the two socials I've organised as nobody knew who was coming except me in the first place. Women don't really need to attend socials, they get attention on here easily whereas men have to make more of an effort to get noticed so attending a social is a good way for them to be noticed. Also, more men will look at my profile than women will so they will see any meets I put up. To be honest, I'd be embarrassed to organise a social and then go onto a place where single men weren't invited. | |||
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"I do also state in my LondonSwingSocial profile that the socials are like Match-making/"dating" events for swingers. So the vetting of single men is based on whether 3 or more single ladies in the group are interested in the gentleman physically or how he reads on his profile, either for friendship, future playmate, etc. Profiles are a poor indication and they favour the fakers, no?" I'm not answering in respect of vetting profiles to attend socials, but yes a good profile is a great indication of the man. If his profile is piss poor, then I am not going to be interested in the slightest | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of? "Married, in a relationship, cold feet. | |||
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"So I host social events (LondonSwingSocial) for couples and singles as well as a friend of mine where her events are catered to single men and women. Most of the time after a social we head off to a club (LB) for fun, not mandatory, just a nice ending to the night. We set up kik groups for the events so that people have the chance to get to know each other, be sociable as it were. But as the event draws nearer the men start to drop like flies and more often then not the social is mostly women, as is the group that end up going to LB. Lucky for the fellas that are actually at LB, seen a lot of mfff's happen on a night like that. The women in the group are in their early 20's to late 40's and all sociable and attractive. But I just don't understand why men complain about not getting a chance to meet, yet when given then opportunity like this, they bail. Any reasons you could think of?
Maybe they find the price of going to the club as a single guy to expensive, I bet if you invited them to a house party after more would go
How much would the trip to LB cost as a single man who is not a member say?
As for some clubs that can be a very very high price
LB tonight is couples only £60 for members
And now we might see why single men drop like flies when they find this out....
I state on my profile that after the social they may do what they want after, but we choose to go to Le Boudoir after as it's a club that the ladies feel comfortable and safe in as well as for couples (especially newbies), everyone is very welcome to come along after if they want.
I've noticed that socials that do not vet men have a lower number of women and couples in attendance, men then complain it's a sausage fest
I just have to find the balance is suppose.
I don't intend to degrade men or women in anyway, hence asking everyone that attends to pay a fiver, but I do not have control of what parties or clubs charge. Of course you are very welcome to ask them why there is a difference in pricing for men. "Yes you say you go to LB but most guys wont find out that a they arent getting in b they need to be a member c the cost untill the kik chat. And since you all go there the social becomes pointless as its very unlikley a woman will split from the group and go home with a guy. So there you now know why your bumbers drop like flies | |||
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