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By *anky_Panky OP   Woman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Not done one for a while so here goes..... play nicely!

Person above only please

Enjoy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kiss"

Drink

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By *edonistic needsWoman
over a year ago

sexton

Fuck ????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kiss fuck

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By *anky_Panky OP   Woman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Kisses....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drinkies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drinks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink and chat.

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By *lutandhubbyCouple
over a year ago

west midlands

kiss. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kiss

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"kiss. xx "

Drink with you guys!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

more kisses

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By *lutandhubbyCouple
over a year ago

west midlands


"kiss. xx

Drink with you guys! "

((( just a drink? ))) . xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kiss. xx

Drink with you guys!

((( just a drink? ))) . xxx "

Oh kiss and fuck

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 15:33:12]"

Drink

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Drink

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By *iffraffMan
over a year ago

Gloucester

Drinks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Drink"

Lick, and pray that she reciprocates with that cigar of hers

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By *lutandhubbyCouple
over a year ago

west midlands

fuck!. xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"fuck!. xxx "

Fuck

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By *lutandhubbyCouple
over a year ago

west midlands

oops, too slow ( _axandboo ). xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

kisses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses"

Admire your pants rouge

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge "

Kiss and a drink! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X"

Drinka nd a kiss x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X

Drinka nd a kiss x"

Didn't we just do this ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X

Drinka nd a kiss x

Didn't we just do this ?"

Drink, kiss and fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X

Drinka nd a kiss x

Didn't we just do this ?"

I can't get enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X

Drinka nd a kiss x

Didn't we just do this ?

I can't get enough"

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X

Drinka nd a kiss x

Didn't we just do this ?

I can't get enough"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 16:07:27]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"kisses

Admire your pants rouge

Kiss and a drink! X

Drinka nd a kiss x

Didn't we just do this ?

I can't get enough "

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 16:07:27]"

Kiss

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By *anky_Panky OP   Woman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville


"[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 16:07:27]

Kiss"

Not sucks as I'd break my teeth on that bugger! Drinkies lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck!

Looking good!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Avoid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 16:13:27]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid "

I wouldn't avoid, but probably wouldn't kiss either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 16:07:27]

Kiss

Not sucks as I'd break my teeth on that bugger! Drinkies lol"

Fuck that way it wont damage your teeth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid

I wouldn't avoid, but probably wouldn't kiss either. "

Let's have a beer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid

I wouldn't avoid, but probably wouldn't kiss either.

Let's have a beer"

Let's have a shag.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Avoid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid "

Kiss and drink maybe more who knows

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Avoid sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid sorry "

Oh! is give the mrs a lick and a fuck!!

Very sexy!

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By *ugbylad87Man
over a year ago

lichfield


"Avoid sorry "

Kiss and drink hopefully more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Miss pass.

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough


"Avoid sorry "

Drink and chat, then lick and suck, then fuck and kiss.

Then if you turn out be a couple of weirdos, avoid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid sorry "

Drink chat, kiss lick fuck

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By *thicalslutx69Couple
over a year ago

lincoln

Drink and chat x

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By *ardwood7Man
over a year ago

Bristol

Kiss but Lincoln is long way for a snog!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kiss but Lincoln is long way for a snog! "

It's beer o clock

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By *LUKCouple
over a year ago

Loughborough


"It's beer o clock"

Sounds like a plan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's beer o clock

Sounds like a plan "

Beer... and no plans afterwards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"It's beer o clock

Sounds like a plan

Beer... and no plans afterwards "

Avoid

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By *erfectman122Man
over a year ago

from somewhere nice

Kiss drink and may be more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kiss drink and may be more "

Another beer

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By *anky_Panky OP   Woman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Beer and kisses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Beer and kisses "

I love beer fuelled kisses hehe

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Beer and kisses

I love beer fuelled kisses hehe"

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 17:15:23]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pint "

drinks hopefully leading to more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Pint

drinks hopefully leading to more "

Drink and a kiss?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would fuck at the touch of a feather

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Would fuck at the touch of a feather"

Avoid, sorry.

Eve. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Beer and kisses

I love beer fuelled kisses hehe

Pint"

Kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 17:25:24]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck kiss"

Maybe a lil lick;)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Avoid sorry

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By *ig daddy 1969Man
over a year ago

manchester

Fuck

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By *ondon-guy68Man
over a year ago

London

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid sorry "

Kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid sorry

Kiss"

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kiss lick and fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid sorry

Kiss

Drink "

Kiss lick drink chat fuck

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Kiss lick and fuck "

Kiss and a drink!

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By *erry bull1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

Kiss lick suck fuck pint

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By *ondon-guy68Man
over a year ago

London


"Kiss lick suck fuck pint"

Drink

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By *urexIronBarMan
over a year ago

South Manchester


"Not done one for a while so here goes..... play nicely!

Person above only please

Enjoy "

Suck/ lick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kiss lick and fuck

Kiss and a drink! "

What can i get you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Avoid sorry "
.

Owh,

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By *haneleviMan
over a year ago

Kidderminster


"Kiss lick and fuck

Kiss and a drink!

What can i get you "

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kiss lick and fuck

Kiss and a drink! "

Kiss lick fuck we can chat and have a drink another time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink chat kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Drink"

Drink again! Gosh this is moving fast!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Drink

Drink again! Gosh this is moving fast! "

drink Kiss hope to fuck

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By *tudog1Man
over a year ago

Southampton

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink & mmmmm yes please

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Kis and fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Drink & mmmmm yes please "

Drink and a kiss

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Beer and kisses

I love beer fuelled kisses hehe"

You know what I would do to you

N

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Beer and kisses

I love beer fuelled kisses hehe You know what I would do to you

N"

drink kiss lick then hopefully fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cupa tea and a kiss xxx

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Kiss suck lick and fuck naughtybutnice888

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Lick and fuck fluffy

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Lick and fuck fluffy

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

All the lot with _anky_panky

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Avoid sorry

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By *erry bull1Man
over a year ago

doncaster

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Defiantly kiss an cup of tea then hopefully fluffy alpaca

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pint"

Yes i got you finally ...... fuck xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pint

Yes i got you finally ...... fuck xxx"

Pint for him, kiss for her.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pint

Yes i got you finally ...... fuck xxx

Pint for him, kiss for her. "

Pint.

Adam

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By *tudog1Man
over a year ago

Southampton

Kiss for her pint for him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kiss for her pint for him "

Pint

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By *iscreteSteMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

Pint.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink . Kiss

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By *ig daddy 1969Man
over a year ago

manchester

[Removed by poster at 17/01/17 18:12:55]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink

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By *ig daddy 1969Man
over a year ago

manchester

Fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Drink "
Fri k at white swan then see what happens

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By *iscreteSteMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

Pint.

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By *andi_shopWoman
over a year ago

rotherham


"Pint."

Smog, lick..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pint.

Smog, lick.. "

Drink and kiss

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Suck and fuck

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Sorry was ment for _andi_shop

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By *iscreteSteMan
over a year ago

Blackpool


"Pint.

Smog, lick.. "

I will happily return the favour

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

No worries steve

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By *accaMan
over a year ago

leicester

Pint will be fine

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Pint"

Drink and a natter!

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kiss, lick, suck and fuck!

Is that allowed?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hope so as that's my vote for you

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By *iscreteSteMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

Pint.

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol


"Kiss, lick, suck and fuck!

Is that allowed? "

You can do all that to me and more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Kiss, lick, suck and fuck!

Is that allowed?

You can do all that to me and more "

And a smoke after?!

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck"

Avoid.

Adam.

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By *iscreteSteMan
over a year ago

Blackpool


"Fuck

Avoid.

Adam. "

Pint for him

Kiss for her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck

Avoid.

Adam.

Pint for him

Kiss for her"

Come on Steve you want it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pint

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fuck....both

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By *lectricSensationMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Fuck....both "

mmm fuck :D

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Fuck

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck"
pint

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Ment lou lou75

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By *lectricSensationMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Fuck"

cheers mate

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By *ed wineMan
over a year ago

Where the streets have no name

Avoid. Sorry mate

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By *lectricSensationMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Avoid. Sorry mate"

no need to be sorry mate

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By *anky_Panky OP   Woman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Fucks x

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By *ust PeachyWoman
over a year ago

Prestonish


"Avoid. Sorry mate

no need to be sorry mate "

Drink, kiss, maybe more!

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By *rchie300Man
over a year ago

Hamworthy

Definitely fuck lots

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By *lectricSensationMan
over a year ago

Newcastle


"Avoid. Sorry mate

no need to be sorry mate

Drink, kiss, maybe more! "

feeling is mutual was trying to pm but cant

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Drink

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Drink "
fuck after a drink or 4

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Avoid

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By *anky_Panky OP   Woman
over a year ago

Filthy Fuckeryville

Fucks

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Fuck loads

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By *ornyal47Man
over a year ago

Bury

Fuck _anky_panky x

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By *r Costa xxMan
over a year ago

stirling


"Fuck loads"

Oh fuck yeah

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By *iscreteSteMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

Pint.

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By *axandbooCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Pint maybe more

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By *iffraffMan
over a year ago

Gloucester

Pint at least

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Fuck

Avoid.

Adam.

Pint for him

Kiss for her

Come on Steve you want it"

Fuck for several hours

J

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Drink chat

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Cheers mr lol x

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