Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Swingers Chat |
| Jump to newest |  |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." Fair comment! I never even thought about that!! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." There's no I in team lol  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "Not easy to find them, at least for me. I've met a couple of girls who are vaguely interested in club visits or swinging as a couple but can't say either is really enthusiastic about it and I'm not going to push them. They are happy with seeing me 1 on 1 generally speaking . | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." Exactly this | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "Are you implying that is why most men take their OH's along? This attitude is exactly why we avoid men in couples .... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single " You're married?  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single " Does that include you? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." I'm not going to be an accessory for a man. I'm quite happy having all the mffs and mfffs my quim can handle without complicating things. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single Does that include you? " I didn't know I was attractive... but I'm single ..... I break up with women over the holidays so I don't have to buy them gifts. I won't be getting serious with anyone until after Valentine's Day. So I'm single until March | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "kind of condescending this post. Yes unless you meet them in the scene suggesting a swinging club to a lady you are seeing who is not a swinger you might frighten them away. Some single men take fuck buddies etc. Some are happy being single and are by choice. They might not wanna share a lady they know. There is pro's and cons. As a single guy you can possibly have multiple plays in 1 night they also don't have the politics of trying to find 4 way attraction when acting as a couple and might just need 2 way attraction. The downside is they might not always play or feel lonely at times. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single Does that include you? I didn't know I was attractive... but I'm single ..... I break up with women over the holidays so I don't have to buy them gifts. I won't be getting serious with anyone until after Valentine's Day. So I'm single until March "My OH gets away with never buying me anything, but he is always getting stuff for the house ... maybe you could try that? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Me personally have swung as a couple and I find is much harder than as a single guy.. No disrespect to the op but my OH didn't fancy most of the husbands of the couples we met. When swinging as a couple I found is more like dating... Dinner , drinks , dancing and then the play would start late. The majority of the time it was me pleading with my OH to take one for the team and play with the husband, while I got his wife. Most husbands couldn't stay hard with a condom. Most would want separate rooms playing , and would try to bareback my oh because they couldn't stay hard with a condom. This isn't a rule of thumb.... just my experience swinging as a couple." In my experience single guys can't stay hard either! But yes you make a good point that finding a four way attraction between two couples is almost impossible! Ruby | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Are you implying that is why most men take their OH's along? This attitude is exactly why we avoid men in couples ...."That's an interesting thought. When we go to clubs Elle gets a lot of attention both socially and from interested parties, some of whom will pretend i'm not even there and position themselves to cut me off from her. I get that she's hot and i'm pretty ordinary looks-wise, but (although i'm getting off the OP's original line) it seems a pretty cynical and cold thing to do. (Not suggesting that's what you do by any means) | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. There's no I in team lol "there is me though, if you take out the at. am sure someone could've come up with something better than that.  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. I'm not going to be an accessory for a man. I'm quite happy having all the mffs and mfffs my quim can handle without complicating things."Quim!! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Pmsl if only we was so lucky as the OP lol" That is what I was thinking. He must be Hugh Hefner in disguise. When one single female let's them down he just goes down the cooridor knocks on the door and orders another to play! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Me personally have swung as a couple and I find is much harder than as a single guy.. No disrespect to the op but my OH didn't fancy most of the husbands of the couples we met. When swinging as a couple I found is more like dating... Dinner , drinks , dancing and then the play would start late. The majority of the time it was me pleading with my OH to take one for the team and play with the husband, while I got his wife. Most husbands couldn't stay hard with a condom. Most would want separate rooms playing , and would try to bareback my oh because they couldn't stay hard with a condom. This isn't a rule of thumb.... just my experience swinging as a couple. In my experience single guys can't stay hard either! But yes you make a good point that finding a four way attraction between two couples is almost impossible! Ruby" It think the not staying hard comes down to lack of condom use with normal partner, plus the men are worried about if their partner is safe and having a good time. Funny story.... we met a couple for a dinner and some play time. We had dinner $250 each couple , then went to a night club 2 rounds on me $200 , at about 2 am we decided to get a hotel room in NYC. $ 350 per couple. We get to the room. His wife is giving me oral sex , and my girl is giving the husband oral sex. After 3 minutes I heard. Omg I'm Cumming , I look over ... he Had gotten dressed. His wife then looks at me and says well that's it . We have to go 
I spend almost $ 1000 to get a 3 minute blow job... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Me personally have swung as a couple and I find is much harder than as a single guy.. No disrespect to the op but my OH didn't fancy most of the husbands of the couples we met. When swinging as a couple I found is more like dating... Dinner , drinks , dancing and then the play would start late. The majority of the time it was me pleading with my OH to take one for the team and play with the husband, while I got his wife. Most husbands couldn't stay hard with a condom. Most would want separate rooms playing , and would try to bareback my oh because they couldn't stay hard with a condom. This isn't a rule of thumb.... just my experience swinging as a couple." Meeting a couple where one party is less interested, being coerced by the other is my biggest fear in the scene, it's also why we always insist on social meets first. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle. I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something! 
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Me personally have swung as a couple and I find is much harder than as a single guy.. No disrespect to the op but my OH didn't fancy most of the husbands of the couples we met. When swinging as a couple I found is more like dating... Dinner , drinks , dancing and then the play would start late. The majority of the time it was me pleading with my OH to take one for the team and play with the husband, while I got his wife. Most husbands couldn't stay hard with a condom. Most would want separate rooms playing , and would try to bareback my oh because they couldn't stay hard with a condom. This isn't a rule of thumb.... just my experience swinging as a couple. Meeting a couple where one party is less interested, being coerced by the other is my biggest fear in the scene, it's also why we always insist on social meets first. " Ok by coerced I mean shots of tequila | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because if I 'team up' with a fella it looks like we are a couple. If he's a total knob then that reflects on me. I'm responsible for my own behaviour, not some randoms trying to use me as a cheap way to get into clubs/get other women. " When people team up do they stay together once inside or break off to do their own thing? For me it only makes sense to team up with someone if you know them, like each other and are going to play together. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Are you implying that is why most men take their OH's along? This attitude is exactly why we avoid men in couples ....
That's an interesting thought. When we go to clubs Elle gets a lot of attention both socially and from interested parties, some of whom will pretend i'm not even there and position themselves to cut me off from her. I get that she's hot and i'm pretty ordinary looks-wise, but (although i'm getting off the OP's original line) it seems a pretty cynical and cold thing to do. (Not suggesting that's what you do by any means)"Every male half of a couple I've spoken to has had that happen! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets. Mrs | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying "Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention. I wish it were different. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single Does that include you? I didn't know I was attractive... but I'm single ..... I break up with women over the holidays so I don't have to buy them gifts. I won't be getting serious with anyone until after Valentine's Day. So I'm single until March " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "I think lots of guys would like to but the trouble is finding one that wants the single guy in question. Personally I would love to meet a single Lady that would like to be a fwb and explore with me. Ladies  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Me personally have swung as a couple and I find is much harder than as a single guy.. No disrespect to the op but my OH didn't fancy most of the husbands of the couples we met. When swinging as a couple I found is more like dating... Dinner , drinks , dancing and then the play would start late. The majority of the time it was me pleading with my OH to take one for the team and play with the husband, while I got his wife. Most husbands couldn't stay hard with a condom. Most would want separate rooms playing , and would try to bareback my oh because they couldn't stay hard with a condom. This isn't a rule of thumb.... just my experience swinging as a couple." Can't think of anything worse. With the exception of the 'dating' type experience you mention which we like, this is exactly why we won't meet couples. So much more enjoyable to choose our own partners. This does mean I get to play more than my husband, but that is better than one of us having to fuck someone we don't fancy. Mrs | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different."Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next. The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Are you implying that is why most men take their OH's along? This attitude is exactly why we avoid men in couples ....
That's an interesting thought. When we go to clubs Elle gets a lot of attention both socially and from interested parties, some of whom will pretend i'm not even there and position themselves to cut me off from her. I get that she's hot and i'm pretty ordinary looks-wise, but (although i'm getting off the OP's original line) it seems a pretty cynical and cold thing to do. (Not suggesting that's what you do by any means)
Every male half of a couple I've spoken to has had that happen!"Thanks for that - quite reassuring in a strange way that it's perhaps not because of me. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Thanks for that - quite reassuring in a strange way that it's perhaps not because of me." Not at all, it's just part of female priviledge. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." I disagree... Yes I get more meets on my own but I have more fun and a better time what pairing up with fwb | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single Does that include you? I didn't know I was attractive... but I'm single ..... I break up with women over the holidays so I don't have to buy them gifts. I won't be getting serious with anyone until after Valentine's Day. So I'm single until March "Yes you're hot | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. "There's a reason for this. If they're not getting a look in its because they're lacking passion or excitement...and at the end of the day we all want to be kept on our toes. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"It's cheaper too when we go to clubs as a single
"lol | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. "??? Well this philosophy might be relevant when looking for a long term partner on a regular dating site, but not when looking for NSA surely? Whereas I'm not going to get involved with an arsehole, I would also be a bit worried if a man worshipped the ground I walked on, as you describe. I expect and want my lovers to see other people. Of course Mr Nice Guy who is monogamous and worships me isn't going to get a look-in. Mrs | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Of course Mr Nice Guy who is monogamous and worships me isn't going to get a look-in. Mrs" That's the bit I can't grasp. Not criticising at all, I just don't understand it  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single Does that include you? I didn't know I was attractive... but I'm single ..... I break up with women over the holidays so I don't have to buy them gifts. I won't be getting serious with anyone until after Valentine's Day. So I'm single until March
Yes you're hot "Aww thank you , you can make a very dark man blush  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single " And you are one example of that lol.... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." This is exactly the response I get when I've approached some single women regarding this issue. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Of course Mr Nice Guy who is monogamous and worships me isn't going to get a look-in. Mrs That's the bit I can't grasp. Not criticising at all, I just don't understand it "I think what I meant was, I don't expect to find monogamy on a swingers site, so if that's what one of my playmates wanted from me, I'd be concerned. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. This is exactly the response I get when I've approached some single women regarding this issue." Well if you could have any flavor ice cream you want in the ice cream shop.... Would you stop after sampling 5? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. This is exactly the response I get when I've approached some single women regarding this issue. Well if you could have any flavor ice cream you want in the ice cream shop.... Would you stop after sampling 5? "yes. I get sick from too much ice cream...  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "From personal experience with a number of the men i met in my early swinging days I was 'used' as a way of gaining cheaper entry to clubs, getting party invites, and access to more women than they would usually have had...it was a while before I realised this and my already low self esteem was dented further. One or two situations in hindsight were quite horrific (being dragged out of a room at a club by my hair as the guy I went with wanted to go into a couples room and I had taken too long with the guy he'd sent me off with was the worst closely followed by being left at a club whilst the guy took another woman back to our hotel room leaving me stranded with nowhere to stay!) Thankfully i saw sense and stopped allowing that to happen. I'm extremely suspicious of a man wanting to pair up now | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. "Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate. Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
From personal experience with a number of the men i met in my early swinging days I was 'used' as a way of gaining cheaper entry to clubs, getting party invites, and access to more women than they would usually have had...it was a while before I realised this and my already low self esteem was dented further. One or two situations in hindsight were quite horrific (being dragged out of a room at a club by my hair as the guy I went with wanted to go into a couples room and I had taken too long with the guy he'd sent me off with was the worst closely followed by being left at a club whilst the guy took another woman back to our hotel room leaving me stranded with nowhere to stay!) Thankfully i saw sense and stopped allowing that to happen. I'm extremely suspicious of a man wanting to pair up now"seriously??? sorry to hear that is awful! !! I guess I am lucky then. last time i went off w someone on my own, reappeared and headed straight to toilets as things hadn't worked out- friend was waiting for me outside without me having said a word and we left... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
When I go to a club alone (which is quite often) I look for single guys! I do see the occasional hot couple (ie where I find both attractive) but - as I don't have the advantage of seeing their profile like I can on fab - I've no clue what their age range is, or whether they're looking to play with couples, women or single guys (for mmf) - so I'd be unlikely to approach them!
Single guys, however, are almost always looking for women - so the only thing I have to concern myself with is whether or not I'm their 'type!'
If you're a hot single guy, the only down-side of going to a club alone is the membership/entry fee! Xx
Actually you know what?
It would be great if all UK clubs had a universal wristband system for couples - so other couples, men and women can see at a glance what you're looking for! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Can I put my two pennorth in please? (Yep - I'm THAT ancient!)
When I go to a club alone (which is quite often) I look for single guys! I do see the occasional hot couple (ie where I find both attractive) but - as I don't have the advantage of seeing their profile like I can on fab - I've no clue what their age range is, or whether they're looking to play with couples, women or single guys (for mmf) - so I'd be unlikely to approach them!
Single guys, however, are almost always looking for women - so the only thing I have to concern myself with is whether or not I'm their 'type!'
If you're a hot single guy, the only down-side of going to a club alone is the membership/entry fee! Xx
Actually you know what?
It would be great if all UK clubs had a universal wristband system for couples - so other couples, men and women can see at a glance what you're looking for! "I suggested this about wristbands in a club as I saw they were redundant, people didn't know what they mean even the staff, you just need a little key by them. It is also a good ice breaker but some people think it is like a putting a target on someone. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate.
Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber "They wouldn't worship anyone who would have them, just the right one. But they would treat a girl properly wether they were the right one or not. My mates who move from girl to girl just know how to play girls, I wouldn't say that was a good characteristic to determine their "calibre" by. I did it when I was younger but I'm not that proud of it and don't know why anyone would think that made me of a higher "calibre" than my friends who didn't. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs"In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. This is exactly the response I get when I've approached some single women regarding this issue. Well if you could have any flavor ice cream you want in the ice cream shop.... Would you stop after sampling 5? " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. This is exactly the response I get when I've approached some single women regarding this issue. Well if you could have any flavor ice cream you want in the ice cream shop.... Would you stop after sampling 5?
yes. I get sick from too much ice cream... "Lactose intolerant huh | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Can I put my two pennorth in please? (Yep - I'm THAT ancient!)
When I go to a club alone (which is quite often) I look for single guys! I do see the occasional hot couple (ie where I find both attractive) but - as I don't have the advantage of seeing their profile like I can on fab - I've no clue what their age range is, or whether they're looking to play with couples, women or single guys (for mmf) - so I'd be unlikely to approach them!
Single guys, however, are almost always looking for women - so the only thing I have to concern myself with is whether or not I'm their 'type!'
If you're a hot single guy, the only down-side of going to a club alone is the membership/entry fee! Xx
Actually you know what?
It would be great if all UK clubs had a universal wristband system for couples - so other couples, men and women can see at a glance what you're looking for! "Definitely, I don't go to clubs any more because I don't really like going alone and also because I don't want to be a nuisance to those who are not interested in single guys. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women."also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate.
Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber
They wouldn't worship anyone who would have them, just the right one. But they would treat a girl properly wether they were the right one or not.
My mates who move from girl to girl just know how to play girls, I wouldn't say that was a good characteristic to determine their "calibre" by. I did it when I was younger but I'm not that proud of it and don't know why anyone would think that made me of a higher "calibre" than my friends who didn't. "So what are you doing on a swingers site then if you a not in favour of the practice of men having multiple partners? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc"I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty. I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate.
Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber
They wouldn't worship anyone who would have them, just the right one. But they would treat a girl properly wether they were the right one or not.
My mates who move from girl to girl just know how to play girls, I wouldn't say that was a good characteristic to determine their "calibre" by. I did it when I was younger but I'm not that proud of it and don't know why anyone would think that made me of a higher "calibre" than my friends who didn't.
So what are you doing on a swingers site then if you a not in favour of the practice of men having multiple partners? "You sure that's what I said? Multiple partners when the partner knows they are one of many partners is fine. Multiple partners when the partner believes they are the only partner is not. Did I really just have to explain that? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
"yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "I keep my girl personal ! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare."Oh go on then I'll indulge you... I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here. If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. This is exactly the response I get when I've approached some single women regarding this issue. Well if you could have any flavor ice cream you want in the ice cream shop.... Would you stop after sampling 5?
yes. I get sick from too much ice cream...
Lactose intolerant huh "lol, no. but I know when to stop and might get dig into the ice cream I found is yummy... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate.
Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber
They wouldn't worship anyone who would have them, just the right one. But they would treat a girl properly wether they were the right one or not.
My mates who move from girl to girl just know how to play girls, I wouldn't say that was a good characteristic to determine their "calibre" by. I did it when I was younger but I'm not that proud of it and don't know why anyone would think that made me of a higher "calibre" than my friends who didn't.
So what are you doing on a swingers site then if you a not in favour of the practice of men having multiple partners?
You sure that's what I said?
Multiple partners when the partner knows they are one of many partners is fine.
Multiple partners when the partner believes they are the only partner is not.
Did I really just have to explain that? "You said guys move from girl to girl. That's having multiple partners. No I didn't realise you were talking about cheating. But you did with all due respect say that a man who worships the ground a girl walks on doesn't get a look in, and that's true. Not because women prefer arseholes, but because that attribute is probably in appropriate on a swingers site. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear "how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear "It just got real up in here  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. There's no I in team lol "There is 'me' though...... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
There's a reason for this. If they're not getting a look in its because they're lacking passion or excitement...and at the end of the day we all want to be kept on our toes. "Your reason doesn't wash with me! How can you or anyone judge passion through reading an initial introductory message and _iewing a profile? That's just nonsense | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it. "Who cares about people looking and not bothering? Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet. And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends. Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women." | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate.
Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber
They wouldn't worship anyone who would have them, just the right one. But they would treat a girl properly wether they were the right one or not.
My mates who move from girl to girl just know how to play girls, I wouldn't say that was a good characteristic to determine their "calibre" by. I did it when I was younger but I'm not that proud of it and don't know why anyone would think that made me of a higher "calibre" than my friends who didn't.
So what are you doing on a swingers site then if you a not in favour of the practice of men having multiple partners?
You sure that's what I said?
Multiple partners when the partner knows they are one of many partners is fine.
Multiple partners when the partner believes they are the only partner is not.
Did I really just have to explain that?
You said guys move from girl to girl. That's having multiple partners. No I didn't realise you were talking about cheating. But you did with all due respect say that a man who worships the ground a girl walks on doesn't get a look in, and that's true. Not because women prefer arseholes, but because that attribute is probably in appropriate on a swingers site. "That's ok, if you read further up you will see I was quoting my earlier post about cheating. You will also see that the worshiping remark wasn't related to swinging at all but monogamous relationships. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
"because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
There's a reason for this. If they're not getting a look in its because they're lacking passion or excitement...and at the end of the day we all want to be kept on our toes.
Your reason doesn't wash with me! How can you or anyone judge passion through reading an initial introductory message and _iewing a profile? That's just nonsense "You are right but I think it's been lost along the way that we were talking about monogamous vanilla dating earlier in the thread and not swinging, consequently some of my comments are being taken out of context now. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men."I know who you're | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple." Till next time | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
Because somone who worships anyone who'll have them is indicative of a poor quality mate.
Someone who has options is clearly of a higher caliber
They wouldn't worship anyone who would have them, just the right one. But they would treat a girl properly wether they were the right one or not.
My mates who move from girl to girl just know how to play girls, I wouldn't say that was a good characteristic to determine their "calibre" by. I did it when I was younger but I'm not that proud of it and don't know why anyone would think that made me of a higher "calibre" than my friends who didn't.
So what are you doing on a swingers site then if you a not in favour of the practice of men having multiple partners?
You sure that's what I said?
Multiple partners when the partner knows they are one of many partners is fine.
Multiple partners when the partner believes they are the only partner is not.
Did I really just have to explain that?
You said guys move from girl to girl. That's having multiple partners. No I didn't realise you were talking about cheating. But you did with all due respect say that a man who worships the ground a girl walks on doesn't get a look in, and that's true. Not because women prefer arseholes, but because that attribute is probably in appropriate on a swingers site.
That's ok, if you read further up you will see I was quoting my earlier post about cheating. You will also see that the worshiping remark wasn't related to swinging at all but monogamous relationships. "Yes I realise now you were talking about vanilla relationships. I assumed you were talking about Fab, and that you were saying the 'nice' guys didn't get a look in on Fab ('nice' as in monogamous and worships their partner), and I thought those were qualities that, although desirable on regular dating sites, were not suitable for what women look for here. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men."I know there are quite a few, but at least around my area (and nationally based on statistics) the majority of single women are on the larger side. Limiting options doesnt mean no sucess though. Not surw how pointing out some pretty obvious stats is bitter, you certainly seem a bit sensitive though. London is a differnt kettle of fish though it's like swinger paradise | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men.
I know there are quite a few, but at least around my area (and nationally based on statistics) the majority of single women are on the larger side.
Limiting options doesnt mean no sucess though.
Not surw how pointing out some pretty obvious stats is bitter, you certainly seem a bit sensitive though.
London is a differnt kettle of fish though it's like swinger paradise
"Oh I am not sensitive I was just showing my white knight side, I have zero interest in BBW'S. You said it has never effected you're success I just pointed out that you can't know that. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men.
I know there are quite a few, but at least around my area (and nationally based on statistics) the majority of single women are on the larger side.
Limiting options doesnt mean no sucess though.
Not surw how pointing out some pretty obvious stats is bitter, you certainly seem a bit sensitive though.
London is a differnt kettle of fish though it's like swinger paradise
Oh I am not sensitive I was just showing my white knight side, I have zero interest in BBW'S. You said it has never effected you're success I just pointed out that you can't know that. "Actually you called me dishonest and that that limited my success. Which again I'm struggling to see how i am dishonest by publically and openly displaying my preferences. For your point to stand I'd have to conceal it which would mean then it wouldnt affect my success would it? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men.
I know there are quite a few, but at least around my area (and nationally based on statistics) the majority of single women are on the larger side.
Limiting options doesnt mean no sucess though.
Not surw how pointing out some pretty obvious stats is bitter, you certainly seem a bit sensitive though.
London is a differnt kettle of fish though it's like swinger paradise
Oh I am not sensitive I was just showing my white knight side, I have zero interest in BBW'S. You said it has never effected you're success I just pointed out that you can't know that. "How did this become the official NiceGuy TM thread? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
There's a reason for this. If they're not getting a look in its because they're lacking passion or excitement...and at the end of the day we all want to be kept on our toes.
Your reason doesn't wash with me! How can you or anyone judge passion through reading an initial introductory message and _iewing a profile? That's just nonsense "I'll stick with excitement then, but either way there's a reason 'nice guys' don't get the girls. It's hardly nonsense if one type of guy is successful with women and the other isn't. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men.
I know there are quite a few, but at least around my area (and nationally based on statistics) the majority of single women are on the larger side.
Limiting options doesnt mean no sucess though.
Not surw how pointing out some pretty obvious stats is bitter, you certainly seem a bit sensitive though.
London is a differnt kettle of fish though it's like swinger paradise
Oh I am not sensitive I was just showing my white knight side, I have zero interest in BBW'S. You said it has never effected you're success I just pointed out that you can't know that.
How did this become the official NiceGuy TM thread? "Fuck knows! Haha...but I'm not on the site to shag 'nice guys'...I want dangerous, exciting and stormy! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
Yeah but the ratio of single men looking for NSA to single women looking for NSA is huge. Surely it's not mathematically possible for all guys to find a like-minded lady to join forces with? And which is why there are so many guys unable to gets meets.
Mrs
In the swinging world if you're not into BBW women as a single man it severely limits your options when it comes to single women. also limits if you are not honest or delusional about sexuality etc
I dunno, im sure a great many people improve thier chances through dishonesty.
I mean its rare people lie to put themselves in a worse position isnt it?
yeah but dishonesty that can't be easily seen. Yeah must be pretty rare.
Oh go on then I'll indulge you...
I Can honestly say the fact that i am straight but meet TS women and openly have that on my profile has never affected my sucess on here.
If i was going to be dishonest i wouldn't put it visible on my profile would i now dear how do you know it doesn't effect your success though? You could be losing out, people might look at your profile and decide not to message or reply because of it.
Who cares about people looking and not bothering?
Ive had enough conatcts of this site that i'd run out of weekends in the year before peoople to meet.
And having it openly on there means ive met some absolutely beautiful trans girls who have become some of my best friends.
Anyone who doesnt meet me because of that though is no real loss, they'd probbaly be boring in bed anyway
because that is how you can't know whether it has effected you're success. You are making more sweeping statements now. You're first statement sounded bitter and offensive. So I challenged you, there is a quite few attractive single ladies who are not BWW,'S but perhaps they only meet straight men.
I know there are quite a few, but at least around my area (and nationally based on statistics) the majority of single women are on the larger side.
Limiting options doesnt mean no sucess though.
Not surw how pointing out some pretty obvious stats is bitter, you certainly seem a bit sensitive though.
London is a differnt kettle of fish though it's like swinger paradise
Oh I am not sensitive I was just showing my white knight side, I have zero interest in BBW'S. You said it has never effected you're success I just pointed out that you can't know that.
Actually you called me dishonest and that that limited my success.
Which again I'm struggling to see how i am dishonest by publically and openly displaying my preferences.
For your point to stand I'd have to conceal it which would mean then it wouldnt affect my success would it?
"possibly yes, that whole 'straight' but meets TV's is a minefield, some people will think you are being dishonest and others not. Actually you probably have more chance of meeting a TV then a single lady on here so maybe you're idea of success isn't necessarily effected. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "I agree and is definately something I am looking to get involved in. I would love to find a woman to acompany me at party's etc | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Bringing sand to the beach is a no no lol" good expression | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose. "Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?"Well I thought we were | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were "sorry to hear that very selfish x | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were "It's not your fault..... it's just the way swinging goes.... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were
It's not your fault..... it's just the way swinging goes...."It is my fault for putting my trust in him and we agreed to play together, but it's a lesson learnt won't be doing it again. I'm playing solo from now on. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. " God, I couldn't think of anything worse. I don't want someone to *worship* me, I want someone to treat me as an equal partner in crime. That doesn't mean I want to meet people who are total cunts - of course not. Just people with a healthy sense of perspective who understand that putting niceness in doesn't mean that they'll get sex out. That's just entitlement. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" However I've another play partner who is really interested in heading out to a club with me, I don't want to set to a whole other profile but neither do I want my girl and my play partner being mixed up. Anyone else had this dilemma? " Why would they mix you all up? Most people don't get their phone out and ask for your fab address so that they can look you up while you're chatting... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "I prefer to stay single than team up with someone else | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"OP I'm no one's accessory "This x1000 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. God, I couldn't think of anything worse. I don't want someone to *worship* me, I want someone to treat me as an equal partner in crime. That doesn't mean I want to meet people who are total cunts - of course not. Just people with a healthy sense of perspective who understand that putting niceness in doesn't mean that they'll get sex out. That's just entitlement." I don't want to be treated like a "princess" either  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
There's a reason for this. If they're not getting a look in its because they're lacking passion or excitement...and at the end of the day we all want to be kept on our toes.
Your reason doesn't wash with me! How can you or anyone judge passion through reading an initial introductory message and _iewing a profile? That's just nonsense
I'll stick with excitement then, but either way there's a reason 'nice guys' don't get the girls. It's hardly nonsense if one type of guy is successful with women and the other isn't. "So let me get this right then! You are honestly telling me, that you know from the initial message you receive from a guy, that he is hot and exciting? I'd love to know what what they write then. He's not Harry Potter by any chance is he? Puts you under a sex spell whilst you read his message? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were
It's not your fault..... it's just the way swinging goes....
It is my fault for putting my trust in him and we agreed to play together, but it's a lesson learnt won't be doing it again. I'm playing solo from now on. "Never assume exclusivity with a man  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I'm not getting how having a woman with them improves their chances of having sex with other women. " here is part of the reasoning: a male half, would allow someone to have sex with his partner, as long as that male could 'bring something to the table'. I've had couples message me, supposedly interested in me...the chat gets to that almost meet stage then the klunker comes.."can you bring a friend?". I sit and think in some cases "will I fuck!, until I have met you first"...if a meet goes ahead and I think the people are good fun, I may suggest to a friend(who might have an interest),if the people I had met were having some form of gettogether.She can then message the people to see if SHE likes them, physically and mentally,or to determine if the type of meet they want is up their street. In some cases I've then been bypassed so they can get the meet with the single-bi fem unicorn performing seal they wanted in the first place. Most of the time my female friends have told me they didnt like the way the couple acted in messages etc...which makes me glad I probably didnt meet them either. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were
It's not your fault..... it's just the way swinging goes....
It is my fault for putting my trust in him and we agreed to play together, but it's a lesson learnt won't be doing it again. I'm playing solo from now on.
Never assume exclusivity with a man "I didn't assume anything just a bit honesty and respect would of done! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Because most attractive single guys are not really single " True | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were
It's not your fault..... it's just the way swinging goes....
It is my fault for putting my trust in him and we agreed to play together, but it's a lesson learnt won't be doing it again. I'm playing solo from now on.
Never assume exclusivity with a man "That depends on what the deal is. Swinging by defenition does not mean exclusivity normally. Exclusivity is normally reserved for relationships. If your going for Exclusivity why have a profile at all? The real question is what was the agreement? If the man broke it then hes an untrustworthy shit. But woman brake deals as well. Was the deal realistic and was it freely entered into by both honestly? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging "Maybe some guys dont feel they need to bring an offering to get their foot in the door And most women are wise enough to know when they are being used | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"most of us women don't want to team up with men for that reason. we do better on our own than in a couple. There's no I in team lol "there is a me though | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in.
There's a reason for this. If they're not getting a look in its because they're lacking passion or excitement...and at the end of the day we all want to be kept on our toes.
Your reason doesn't wash with me! How can you or anyone judge passion through reading an initial introductory message and _iewing a profile? That's just nonsense
I'll stick with excitement then, but either way there's a reason 'nice guys' don't get the girls. It's hardly nonsense if one type of guy is successful with women and the other isn't.
So let me get this right then! You are honestly telling me, that you know from the initial message you receive from a guy, that he is hot and exciting?
I'd love to know what what they write then. He's not Harry Potter by any chance is he? Puts you under a sex spell whilst you read his message? "I barely read messages, so I'm not and never was referring to a first message. It doesn't matter how nice someone is, if he's not sent a face pic I'm attracted to, then I'm not interested regardless. If he has sent a quality pic, I'll know within a few messages whether he's worth meeting or not. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site " You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world." Yeah true it is best to try convince them when you have got a ring on there finger. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world." Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. " So different a woman asking a man though. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Male half of SKC here... wondering why so many single men don't bring a girl along to the scene to improve their chances? Men in couples obviously have an easier time on here and at clubs. Plenty of girls out there wanting to explore swinging, group fun, bisexuality etc? I know at least a dozen I reckon would be game. Seems obvious to me that that's the easiest way to get your foot in the door with swinging
I really wish it was that easy fella. The reality is and I can vouch for myself is that its bloody difficult. Bloody obvious it might be but this is reality for a good percentage of single men on here who struggle.
I struggle trying to find a girl to date, let alone find one who wants to have NSA with me. 4 years on POF and 3 on Tinder and I've yet to meet anyone. That's saying something!
Some guys are confident, have that arrogance about them, have that natural gift to sweep women off their feet but some of us are just normal, polite guys who just struggle. Doesn't matter what we do and how hard we try it just doesn't seem to work.
I'm not going to say that i find your post offensive, it's not but I genuinely feel for the good, ordinary bloke out there who doesn't get a lookin. We get a bad name and it's unjust. All tarnished with the same paintbrush.
Your the lucky one fella, enjoy it and I'm genuinely happy for you but spare a thought for some of us not so lucky ones too.
People will argue and say, "You make your own luck" and that it's shit attitudes like mine that don't get me anywhere but that's just bollocks. Some have it and some don't. I'm in the bracket that clearly doesn't but it's not through lack of trying
Mate I totally feel for you. It frustrates me that so many good guys are overlooked by women, and yet so many arseholes get loads of attention.
I wish it were different.
Its sad but true, I see it with mates. The ones who I know will end up cheating or dumping girls at first sign of trouble or just generally not treat girls very well have no problem getting girlfriends and move from one straight to the next.
The ones I know who would worship the ground a girl walks on given the chance don't ever get a look in. "Then maybe, I dunno....stop doing it? I notice a lot of deference given to women on here...unsurprisingly, these seem to be those with the most "social meets". No one is owed respect. You will be surprised how many people respect the idea that they're not owed respect either. What has always shocked me is the sheer amount of people on a swinging site who are not having sex...I think thats because you find the choice is between the d*unks who only come on here for a shag when they're d*unk and the dudes who think that women must be treated like delicate flowers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. " Who were you asking? Men who merely wanted sex as soon as possible. An article came on the Guardian about swinging among the middle classes, I read the comments section. The opinions toward swingers were NOT good. I never assume my proclivities are accepted just because people like to be polite, I tend to find women are judged pretty harshly for sexual exploration. And that takes to OP's point. Swinging has always been, truly, a couples activity. I think that has somewhat changed due to the nature of online dating and the plethora of men (many of whom are lacking in social skills) thinking it can be an easy access to sex. Even for myself, I dont think I ever would have gotten into this if I had not casually passed this website. Men are very possessive. You also tend to find that sexually "successful" men have a habit of tying their masculinity to the sexuality...hence it takes a long time for people to disengage from the damage to the ego that can arise from seeing your partner with another man. I would say many men would like a female companion but its unlikely to establish a trusting bond required for sexual experimentation without feelings become involved. Its why most of the couples here are actual couples and not FWB's. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"All the women I know are complete fucking pussies. Say they wanna come and bottle it last minute but go on saying that they are the shit in the bed and sexually exploratory. I don't talk about it unless they ask me and I've done more shit. They have to be persuaded to do anything and I always call them out on it. " I too tend to find a lot of "super sexual" women are all talk. ESPECIALLY on here. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"All the women I know are complete fucking pussies. Say they wanna come and bottle it last minute but go on saying that they are the shit in the bed and sexually exploratory. I don't talk about it unless they ask me and I've done more shit. They have to be persuaded to do anything and I always call them out on it. I too tend to find a lot of "super sexual" women are all talk. ESPECIALLY on here. " So why don't you just concentrate on the women who do play? Or focus on couples? These sort of sites are full of people who are all talk and there's nought anyone can do about it. The key is to avoid the timewasters. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"All the women I know are complete fucking pussies. Say they wanna come and bottle it last minute but go on saying that they are the shit in the bed and sexually exploratory. I don't talk about it unless they ask me and I've done more shit. They have to be persuaded to do anything and I always call them out on it. I too tend to find a lot of "super sexual" women are all talk. ESPECIALLY on here. So why don't you just concentrate on the women who do play? Or focus on couples? These sort of sites are full of people who are all talk and there's nought anyone can do about it. The key is to avoid the timewasters. " Timewasters are starting to dominate the exchange. I meet more timewasters than I do serious people. Even more annoying are the people who send messages yet are half way across the country. The whole site has become plagued with dreamers. This is part of the reason why I am kind of against the idea of polyamory becoming increasingly "mainstream"...you end up getting an influx of dreamers who want to prove to themselves how "new age"" they are...when it gets time to put up or shut up they remember that they're not as progressive as they once thought they were. I remember someone I was disagreeing on here complaining that way too many couples at clubs seem to be all about prancing around in underwear and not participating...maybe he had a point. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I had a couples profile with someone I thought I could trust. Went to swinging clubs played with couples together, only to find he made a single profile 4 weeks ago and was verified by 3 couples. I'm confused as to why he done that when he had it all. He must of just been a selfish prick I suppose.
Sorry to hear that. Were you exclusive?
Well I thought we were
It's not your fault..... it's just the way swinging goes....
It is my fault for putting my trust in him and we agreed to play together, but it's a lesson learnt won't be doing it again. I'm playing solo from now on.
Never assume exclusivity with a man
I didn't assume anything just a bit honesty and respect would of done!"Hang on how can it be both? You thought you where exclusive. But you never assumed you where exclusive? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"All the women I know are complete fucking pussies. Say they wanna come and bottle it last minute but go on saying that they are the shit in the bed and sexually exploratory. I don't talk about it unless they ask me and I've done more shit. They have to be persuaded to do anything and I always call them out on it. I too tend to find a lot of "super sexual" women are all talk. ESPECIALLY on here. So why don't you just concentrate on the women who do play? Or focus on couples? These sort of sites are full of people who are all talk and there's nought anyone can do about it. The key is to avoid the timewasters. Timewasters are starting to dominate the exchange. I meet more timewasters than I do serious people. Even more annoying are the people who send messages yet are half way across the country. The whole site has become plagued with dreamers. This is part of the reason why I am kind of against the idea of polyamory becoming increasingly "mainstream"...you end up getting an influx of dreamers who want to prove to themselves how "new age"" they are...when it gets time to put up or shut up they remember that they're not as progressive as they once thought they were. I remember someone I was disagreeing on here complaining that way too many couples at clubs seem to be all about prancing around in underwear and not participating...maybe he had a point. " I'm sorry you've been messed about so much. I do think you are contacting or attracting the wrong people though. We don't waste any time whatsoever on these people, to the point we don't even think about it. Nearly everyone we know on the swing scene plays actively, and the majority are on a Fab. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. Who were you asking? Men who merely wanted sex as soon as possible. An article came on the Guardian about swinging among the middle classes, I read the comments section. The opinions toward swingers were NOT good. I never assume my proclivities are accepted just because people like to be polite, I tend to find women are judged pretty harshly for sexual exploration. And that takes to OP's point. Swinging has always been, truly, a couples activity. I think that has somewhat changed due to the nature of online dating and the plethora of men (many of whom are lacking in social skills) thinking it can be an easy access to sex. Even for myself, I dont think I ever would have gotten into this if I had not casually passed this website. Men are very possessive. You also tend to find that sexually "successful" men have a habit of tying their masculinity to the sexuality...hence it takes a long time for people to disengage from the damage to the ego that can arise from seeing your partner with another man. I would say many men would like a female companion but its unlikely to establish a trusting bond required for sexual experimentation without feelings become involved. Its why most of the couples here are actual couples and not FWB's." As a woman who wants sex as soon as possible (with the right people) I've asked guys in bars, waiters, taxi drivers, guys behind the till in Primark, straight, gay, wherever and whatever really. My boss knows, as do all the directors at work. I don't read tripe like the Guardian, I prefer to forge my own opinion of the world. Never had any negative reaction and I've actually had people register because I've told them about it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. Who were you asking? Men who merely wanted sex as soon as possible. An article came on the Guardian about swinging among the middle classes, I read the comments section. The opinions toward swingers were NOT good. I never assume my proclivities are accepted just because people like to be polite, I tend to find women are judged pretty harshly for sexual exploration. And that takes to OP's point. Swinging has always been, truly, a couples activity. I think that has somewhat changed due to the nature of online dating and the plethora of men (many of whom are lacking in social skills) thinking it can be an easy access to sex. Even for myself, I dont think I ever would have gotten into this if I had not casually passed this website. Men are very possessive. You also tend to find that sexually "successful" men have a habit of tying their masculinity to the sexuality...hence it takes a long time for people to disengage from the damage to the ego that can arise from seeing your partner with another man. I would say many men would like a female companion but its unlikely to establish a trusting bond required for sexual experimentation without feelings become involved. Its why most of the couples here are actual couples and not FWB's. As a woman who wants sex as soon as possible (with the right people) I've asked guys in bars, waiters, taxi drivers, guys behind the till in Primark, straight, gay, wherever and whatever really. My boss knows, as do all the directors at work. I don't read tripe like the Guardian, I prefer to forge my own opinion of the world. Never had any negative reaction and I've actually had people register because I've told them about it. " that curl on the second pic almost looks like a loveheart | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. Who were you asking? Men who merely wanted sex as soon as possible. An article came on the Guardian about swinging among the middle classes, I read the comments section. The opinions toward swingers were NOT good. I never assume my proclivities are accepted just because people like to be polite, I tend to find women are judged pretty harshly for sexual exploration. And that takes to OP's point. Swinging has always been, truly, a couples activity. I think that has somewhat changed due to the nature of online dating and the plethora of men (many of whom are lacking in social skills) thinking it can be an easy access to sex. Even for myself, I dont think I ever would have gotten into this if I had not casually passed this website. Men are very possessive. You also tend to find that sexually "successful" men have a habit of tying their masculinity to the sexuality...hence it takes a long time for people to disengage from the damage to the ego that can arise from seeing your partner with another man. I would say many men would like a female companion but its unlikely to establish a trusting bond required for sexual experimentation without feelings become involved. Its why most of the couples here are actual couples and not FWB's. As a woman who wants sex as soon as possible (with the right people) I've asked guys in bars, waiters, taxi drivers, guys behind the till in Primark, straight, gay, wherever and whatever really. My boss knows, as do all the directors at work. I don't read tripe like the Guardian, I prefer to forge my own opinion of the world. Never had any negative reaction and I've actually had people register because I've told them about it. that curl on the second pic almost looks like a loveheart" | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world. Only ever had good reactions to be honest. People are fascinated and don't get it, but I tell everyone I'm on here. Also been spotted on Fab while on my phone out in public. Who were you asking? Men who merely wanted sex as soon as possible. An article came on the Guardian about swinging among the middle classes, I read the comments section. The opinions toward swingers were NOT good. I never assume my proclivities are accepted just because people like to be polite, I tend to find women are judged pretty harshly for sexual exploration. And that takes to OP's point. Swinging has always been, truly, a couples activity. I think that has somewhat changed due to the nature of online dating and the plethora of men (many of whom are lacking in social skills) thinking it can be an easy access to sex. Even for myself, I dont think I ever would have gotten into this if I had not casually passed this website. Men are very possessive. You also tend to find that sexually "successful" men have a habit of tying their masculinity to the sexuality...hence it takes a long time for people to disengage from the damage to the ego that can arise from seeing your partner with another man. I would say many men would like a female companion but its unlikely to establish a trusting bond required for sexual experimentation without feelings become involved. Its why most of the couples here are actual couples and not FWB's. As a woman who wants sex as soon as possible (with the right people) I've asked guys in bars, waiters, taxi drivers, guys behind the till in Primark, straight, gay, wherever and whatever really. My boss knows, as do all the directors at work. I don't read tripe like the Guardian, I prefer to forge my own opinion of the world. Never had any negative reaction and I've actually had people register because I've told them about it. " Asking doesnt mean anything. I, for one, find it rather dubious you share something like swinging with that many people (I think its distasteful to share your sex life with people in professional environments) and it makes me question whether you're that comfortable with the lifestyle yourself. You call The Guardian tripe, but sites like the Daily Mail have been even worse when it comes to demonizing those in the swinging community. Much of the western world is still subject to the after effects of centuries of conservative religious dogma and its hard to break. Just because someone tells you that everything you do is okay, doesn't mean they're actually okay with it. It often shows itself in their behaviors/d*unkenness. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"There are lots of women on dating sites who are interested in swinging if guys are honest about it then it's fun introducing a single lady to the lifestyle. We met on a dating site You guys are very lucky..... try bringing up swinging to vanilla people and 9 times out of 10 the reactions are not good. Swingers are thought of as immoral , sex addicted , disease ridden filthy people to the outside world." Your reply is nonsense? I have told loads of women on pof and haven't had a single negative response? Obviously some of them are not gonna meet you or join in but I got more dates once I started being honest about swinging? In a year I have introduced 4 women to the lifestyle. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
