FabSwingers.com forum: We don't play with bi men?

By *hor Thumb OP Man
over a year ago

bristol

Wtf? Do you think you're going to "catch" bisexuality? Do you think that a bi guy is going to say "hmmm, he's straight, I think I'll go try it on" get a grip you morons with this on your profile. Especially the ones with bi female on their profile too. Hypocritical paranoid and judgmental.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Some straight men in a couple don't want threesomes where a bi guy is involved; perfectly understandable

Some bi-women don't want to have sex with a bi-man; dunno what that is about though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd rather play with straight men

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By *elnkazCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

"Wtf? Do you think you're going to "catch" bisexuality? Do you think that a bi guy is going to say "hmmm, he's straight, I think I'll go try it on" get a grip you morons with this on your profile. Especially the ones with bi female on their profile too. Hypocritical paranoid and judgmental.

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

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By *loppsyWoman
over a year ago

marlow

Isn't it just personal choice??

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

"I'd rather play with straight men"

Brave.

Prepare for a flood of cock pics in your inbox

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I only want to play with straight men and bi men don't appeal at all.

My preference and everyone else is entitled to theirs.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

nope...if people don't want to meet us because buns is bi then we're not in the slightest bit bothered no matter how ridiculous we think their reasons are...our life on here is so much more stress free if we just concentrate on interacting with people who are looking for couples like us...

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By *he Queen of TartsWoman
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over a year ago

My Own Little World

On here it is called having a personal preference.

We all have at least one so get used to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Absolutely on the same page as boobs and buns.

There's more than enough bi couples out there to fill our days without worrying about this.

If we all liked the same thing it would be pretty boring.

That said, amazing how many fully straight couples look at us despite our title

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I swing with bi couples. I always make it clear I'm straight and there is never a problem

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Completely agree. In my experience there is no general difference between a bi man, straight man and bicurious man. The only difference is that a bi or bicurious man might indulge in sexual activity with a like-minded man. But how that affects play with an MF couple where the man is straight is beyond me. Respect people's boundaries and it really should matter what someone's additional sexual interest are.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tend to agree with you for the most part, however, this is always going to be the case I'm afraid. Any profiles we see that state they do not wish to be in the company of bi men we block, despite the fact that Mr Force is only "a little bit bi"!

The bottom line is that people can put on their profile whatever they wish, providing it's not blatantly homophobic of course, and by displaying such a preference actually does us a favour, we would never wish to play with someone who isn't 100% comfortable in our presence.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del"

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone has the freedom to express a preference.It's when someone else's choices exclude them that they get pissy!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted. "

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

Mrs"

Exactly this....if boundaries are respected there's no issue. Sadly though not everyone respects boundaries.

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

More unnecessary angst. They don't play with bi guys, so what.

Who cares in the grand scheme of things.

I ain't going cap in hand to anyone who declares asking for explanation, seeking clarity or the like.

I wouldn't demean myself for a shag.

Leave them be to enjoy what they seek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

No I would say a straight guy who is happy to play along side another straight guy as part of a straight MFM threesome, would be being predudiced or illogical if he were to object to exactly the same play scenario but the other guy happened to be bi, but playing straight on that occasion. As long as that bi guy does not do any thing bi on that occasion, I would question what difference does it make what he does in private with other people. Surely that's his personal business.

Mrs

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By *elnkazCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted. "

So not wanting to meet with bisexual guys makes you a bigot ?? WTF... We all make our own choices and preference s. If this makes you a bigot then we are all fucked !!!!

Del

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love checking out the veris of people who categorically say 'no bi men' to see how many have messaged me or that I've slept with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The result of saying 'no bi men' ;

You make men lie to you!

If you kept your gob shut or, better still, appeared Bi tolerant, you might find guys are honest with you and you can then just say no ta.

Some people are a victims of their own stupidity, I tell yah

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

people should be free to pick who they play with ,

its no different to not wanting to play with someone who is married in my eyes .

personally I like bi men x

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

I have to agree with the OPs complaint that there is a perception that bi men cannot control themselves, whereas bi women are welcome to not control themselves, but then I am a fan of playing with bi men, but have no desire to play with bi women. Perhaps I am biased in the opposite way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So not wanting to meet with bisexual guys makes you a bigot ?? WTF... We all make our own choices and preference s. If this makes you a bigot then we are all fucked !!!!

Del"

I'm damned too! Bothered.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" people should be free to pick who they play with ,

its no different to not wanting to play with someone who is married in my eyes .

personally I like bi men x "

Agreed.

If you say no married men they just say they're not. It's pretty obvious, don't you think?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well we all know that every bimales mission is to convert all the straight guys!

To be honest, I can't think of anything LESS fun that playing bi with a straight guy. Totally sends us the wrong vibe.

We both play straight or bi, depending on who we are with and, believe me, if the guy is straight he'll have zero problems from me. Wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. (and have plenty of veris on our personal profile to prove it!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have to agree with the OPs complaint that there is a perception that bi men cannot control themselves, whereas bi women are welcome to not control themselves, but then I am a fan of playing with bi men, but have no desire to play with bi women. Perhaps I am biased in the opposite way

In our experience it's the bi women who can't control themselves.

Never had a guy reach for me when I was swinging as a guy without asking if I was bi first. My tattoos are a giveaway.

However, lost count of the women who just assumed it was ok to touch my wife and then when they were told she was straight, they'd argue or try again soon after.

We don't put 'no bi women' on our profile though. That's as much use as a Sydney uni warning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's all down to personal preference, you can't force people to meet. Don't think it's bigotry just some people worry that bi men are sexual predators and won't be able to resist the straight male in a sitution so would rather not risk it.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene. "

Probably not but the last time I looked everyone had a free choice decide who they wish to share their sexuality with. Some people don't want asians, blacks, chinese, whites, gays, straights, fat people, thin people, old people, young people, ugly people, cute people.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shaz is bisexual but won't play with a bi guy,

why?

Because it's her choice.

I think you are the one being judgmental for telling people they are mornons for having preferences that you don't like!

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

There is an enormous difference and I assume you can see it and are just trying to mix things.

If you are happy to have sex with a male, but only if they have not ever had sex with another man, then yes you are bigoted.

Sexuality is not bigotry. Thinking that being bisexual makes a person undesireable, different or not as good as a straight person when it comes to sex is bigotry.

You may not like that fact. But it doesn't change it.

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By *r_PinkMan
over a year ago

london stratford

Could not have put it better myself x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe it's a statistical thing.....?

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

In our experience it's the bi women who can't control themselves.

Never had a guy reach for me when I was swinging as a guy without asking if I was bi first. My tattoos are a giveaway.

However, lost count of the women who just assumed it was ok to touch my wife and then when they were told she was straight, they'd argue or try again soon after.

We don't put 'no bi women' on our profile though. That's as much use as a Sydney uni warning

There have been loads of comments on the forums about women behaving badly in clubs, grabbing where they are not welcome etc etc. Not playing with women and couples reduces my exposure (!) to this, but I am sure it happens. Yet it is considered acceptable behaviour. If a bi man lunged at someone I suspect they would be sorted out quite quickly.

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55."

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

I'm all for people who are open minded and hate bigotry. Having said that I do respect that everyone has the right to choose, and as long as they respect others we should respect them x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow. You worry that bi men are sexual predators?

The other homophobic 'worry' I've heard is that gay men are paedophiles

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By *lkDomWhtSubBiCpleCouple
over a year ago

Somewhere / Everywhere /Kinksville

"Isn't it just personal choice?? "

I think so. Doesn't offend me one bit

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By *BWandhusbandCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry. "

The only reason? Really?

What if a guy has been sexually attacked by another guy. We all have our reasons and some are very personal.

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By *exatooCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth/ Fuerteventura

"Some straight men in a couple don't want threesomes where a bi guy is involved; perfectly understandable

Some bi-women don't want to have sex with a bi-man; dunno what that is about though"

We had this last week from a bi woman, we just replied, whatever

don't get it though

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By *ohnandLucyCouple
over a year ago

Newcastle

Interesting how bi women don't receive these sort of comments...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

perhaps a guy just doesn't like the idea of another guy lusting after him..we wont meet bi guys or lasses..but isn't that our choice.

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By *exatooCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth/ Fuerteventura

"I love checking out the veris of people who categorically say 'no bi men' to see how many have messaged me or that I've slept with

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I put a straight guy in a room with a bi guy, do you think you could tell the difference? Rhetorical question. Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene. At least the fetish scene understands the headonism of all things carnal."
what's it to you? It's about freedom to choose,if I see 2 guys playing I feel sick, my preference is not to see it, that won't change just because you think I have to accept it. The hypocrite is yourself, no one is forcing their opinion or taste on you, you choose to read, I must commend you on that because not a lot on fab do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry. "

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

I will not meet or play with a bi man

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By *J2playCouple
over a year ago

Stroud

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"a little bit bi" ??????????

Bottom line is each to their own,whether that be sexuality, or profile preferences

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended. "

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never forget that there's a hell of a lot of bigoted, barely educated, homophobic and racist people on here.

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

If I put a straight guy in a room with a bi guy, do you think you could tell the difference? Rhetorical question. Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene. At least the fetish scene understands the headonism of all things carnal. what's it to you? It's about freedom to choose,if I see 2 guys playing I feel sick, my preference is not to see it, that won't change just because you think I have to accept it. The hypocrite is yourself, no one is forcing their opinion or taste on you, you choose to read, I must commend you on that because not a lot on fab do"

This might seem strange to you but it does nothing for me either.

Everyone is entitled to choose and have their own opinion.

As long as you don't abuse others and you are not disrespect I don't see anything wrong.

It is after all your personal choice x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it bewildering that people spend so much energy on profiles where they don't fit the criteria, rather than those that they do.

Or maybe I just have an odd way of looking at the world.

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

"Never forget that there's a hell of a lot of bigoted, barely educated, homophobic and racist people on here. "

Absolutely loads but don't confuse a personal preference for homophobia x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

"Absolutely loads but don't confuse a personal preference for homophobia "

or racism

or fatism

or any other 'ism'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it bewildering that people spend so much energy on profiles where they don't fit the criteria, rather than those that they do.

Or maybe I just have an odd way of looking at the world. "

it comes from years of being ostracized like a built in paranoia. People have preferences like it or lump it they are not necessarily judging anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it's no different to you stating no straight guys...it's what you want.

people have a difference in likes and you brand them morons. says alot about your narrow mindedness

and this is from a bi guy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I can just about understand couples who have this preference but it's women who meet men one to one that I don't get. In my experience, bi men don't look different, behave differently, fuck differently or talk differently from straight men. They are the same, they just also have sex with men.

So where the "I'm not attracted to bisexual men" stuff comes from, if not from a place of homophobia and stereotyping, I have no idea.

I've seen it stated that some women won't meet bi men because they are statistically at a higher risk of stds and you can't give blood if you've had sex with a man who fucks men in the last 6 months - both of those reasons seem fair enough but to dress it up as an attraction thing is bollocks.

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By *BWandhusbandCouple
over a year ago

Midlands

it's no different to you stating no straight guys...it's what you want.

people have a difference in likes and you brand them morons. says alot about your narrow mindedness

and this is from a bi guy"

Well said.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

did you really just say other people are morons because they differ in their choice of play and choose to state that..?

why not simply ignore and concentrate on those with whom you have shared interest's..?

sometimes the drama on here is, well its dramatic..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"perhaps a guy just doesn't like the idea of another guy lusting after him..we wont meet bi guys or lasses..but isn't that our choice."

It's a bit of a vain conceit that a lot of straight guys have. They somehow think that they are irresistible to bi guys. Trust me, they are not. Lol

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I find it a tad difficult to understand why personal choice is a problem to some...

Is it a sign of narrow mindedness... I don't know...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Never forget that there's a hell of a lot of bigoted, barely educated, homophobic and racist people on here.

Absolutely loads but don't confuse a personal preference for homophobia x"

People may well call their homophobia or racism a "personal preference". But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a duck...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Never forget that there's a hell of a lot of bigoted, barely educated, homophobic and racist people on here.

Absolutely loads but don't confuse a personal preference for homophobia x

People may well call their homophobia or racism a "personal preference". But if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. It's a duck..."
Moo?

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

In my experiance (limited as it is), I've found the most of the sexiest (in my _iew) couples profiles have a bi male. I will only contact them if their profile says that the male is happy to play straight.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I can just about understand couples who have this preference but it's women who meet men one to one that I don't get. In my experience, bi men don't look different, behave differently, fuck differently or talk differently from straight men. They are the same, they just also have sex with men.

So where the "I'm not attracted to bisexual men" stuff comes from, if not from a place of homophobia and stereotyping, I have no idea.

The latter is my reason. If people don't like it or disagree, I won't lose any sleep.

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

"OP

On here it is called having a personal preference.

We all have at least one so get used to it."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So where the "I'm not attracted to bisexual men" stuff comes from, if not from a place of homophobia and stereotyping, I have no idea.

I get where you;re coming from, but which would garner the most ire from someone reading a profile

1) 'Im not attached to Bi Guys at all'

2) 'I dont wish to meet with Bi Guys because statistically your more likely to have a STD and I dont want to risk getting it'

To me, number two presents stereotyping and an casual bi-phobia; and whilst it may be the case dressing it as number one means far less offence is taken (on the whole).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

Ah, gotcha.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"perhaps a guy just doesn't like the idea of another guy lusting after him..we wont meet bi guys or lasses..but isn't that our choice.

It's a bit of a vain conceit that a lot of straight guys have. They somehow think that they are irresistible to bi guys. Trust me, they are not. Lol"

Well said.

If a guy isn't bi or gay I don't lust after him.

I may appreciate he's a good looking guy but that's it. My dad was good looking in his time. I didn't fancy him though!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

Ah, gotcha."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality? "

nope...people are choosing not to meet you because you don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for if bi male on male play is their preference...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I find it a tad difficult to understand why personal choice is a problem to some...

Is it a sign of narrow mindedness... I don't know..."

It's the assumption it appears to represent; If we play with a bi guy, will be want to fuck me as well as my wife/girlfriend...?

This is why so many bi guys hide their true sexuality.

Since Halloween, I can tell you that, no less that 4 "straight" men have wanted me to suck there cock with Mrs. I can also tell you that in only 1 of those cases did I consider doing it, because the other 3 just didn't interest me. We played with 2 of them and, in both cases, I was able to control myself, but they had to be told to keep their hands limited to themselves and Mrs...

True story!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" but anyone who doesn't play with bi guys is a "fucking moron "? Priceless

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

Mrs"

The straight guy may be concerned that a bi guy may touch him more than a straight guy might accidently touch him in a threesome. He will be on edge throughout thinking that might happen

It is not dissimilar to when straight women in a couple do not want to meet a bisexual woman (rare, I know, but I have seen it). They might be thinking that a straight woman's touch in a threesome would be an accident but my touch would be deliberate, cloaked as an accidental touch

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't it just personal choice?? "

Yes but you should remember that personal choice and preferences are totally unfair when they exclude you

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By *crumdiddlyumptiousMan
over a year ago

"Isn't it just personal choice??

Yes but you should remember that personal choice and preferences are totally unfair when they exclude you"

unfair ?

Just like when no hot Women like me

Its so unfair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

""NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" but anyone who doesn't play with bi guys is a "fucking moron "? Priceless

A bisexual guy can easily play straight.

Tge reverse CANNOT be said for straight guys...

Not hypocrisy, just common sense...

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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago

not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds)

I realised long ago it was easier to find profiles that both interested and inclured me than try to figure out why and or change those that excluded me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a bi male, straight female couple we met both bi guys and straight guys.

Bi guys so we could both enjoy them and straight so my wife could be the sole focus of the fun.

We also met straight guys who just wanted her because I love to watch. The veris we left made it crystal clear no bi play had occurred.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't it just personal choice??

Yes but you should remember that personal choice and preferences are totally unfair when they exclude you

unfair ?

Just like when no hot Women like me

Its so unfair

We don't really question the fairness; we just think it's a dumb point of _iew, but we know, without fear of argument, that it will be the other party that loses out from their decision, not us!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

Mrs

The straight guy may be concerned that a bi guy may touch him more than a straight guy might accidently touch him in a threesome. He will be on edge throughout thinking that might happen

In my experience, and I'm pretty damn well experienced

, bi guys around straight guys are more even careful not to accidentally touch for fear of violence.

Bi girls don't have that fear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So where the "I'm not attracted to bisexual men" stuff comes from, if not from a place of homophobia and stereotyping, I have no idea.

I get where you;re coming from, but which would garner the most ire from someone reading a profile

1) 'Im not attached to Bi Guys at all'

2) 'I dont wish to meet with Bi Guys because statistically your more likely to have a STD and I dont want to risk getting it'

To me, number two presents stereotyping and an casual bi-phobia; and whilst it may be the case dressing it as number one means far less offence is taken (on the whole).

Sure. I just think if you're basing your "preferences" on stereotyping and casual bi-phobia then just own it; don't expect us to believe it's anything to do with attraction.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality?

nope...people are choosing not to meet you because you don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for if bi male on male play is their preference..."

Exactly, just the same as if people are choosing not to meet bi guys because they don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for based on their preferences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So where the "I'm not attracted to bisexual men" stuff comes from, if not from a place of homophobia and stereotyping, I have no idea.

I get where you;re coming from, but which would garner the most ire from someone reading a profile

1) 'Im not attached to Bi Guys at all'

2) 'I dont wish to meet with Bi Guys because statistically your more likely to have a STD and I dont want to risk getting it'

To me, number two presents stereotyping and an casual bi-phobia; and whilst it may be the case dressing it as number one means far less offence is taken (on the whole).

Sure. I just think if you're basing your "preferences" on stereotyping and casual bi-phobia then just own it; don't expect us to believe it's anything to do with attraction. "

Yup, but invariably people go for the easy ride....Fab is built on 'little white lies' (see the thread on being honest about ages on profiles for another example).

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By *loria JamesTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

This is a good one, I'm going for the popcorn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality?

nope...people are choosing not to meet you because you don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for if bi male on male play is their preference...

Exactly, just the same as if people are choosing not to meet bi guys because they don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for based on their preferences."

which is pretty much what we said earlier...we have no hang ups about people who don't want to meet us for whatever reason...we must admit their reasons sometimes defy logic and make us laugh but they really don't affect our lives one iota so we just move on and get on with our own sweet thing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't it just personal choice??

Yes but you should remember that personal choice and preferences are totally unfair when they exclude you

unfair ?

Just like when no hot Women like me

Its so unfair

It all boils down to entitlement. How dare anyone have a preference that excludes them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality?

nope...people are choosing not to meet you because you don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for if bi male on male play is their preference...

Exactly, just the same as if people are choosing not to meet bi guys because they don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for based on their preferences."

You've not made a point.

That's a bit like saying you don't meet people who like sushi.

They won't be eating sushi when you see them and if they didn't tell you then you wouldn't know.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a good one, I'm going for the popcorn"

Can I join you?

Feeling a bit low today (see my thread from earlier) and I've not enjoyed a good bun fighting bi thread in ages

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

Mrs

The straight guy may be concerned that a bi guy may touch him more than a straight guy might accidently touch him in a threesome. He will be on edge throughout thinking that might happen

In my experience, and I'm pretty damn well experienced

, bi guys around straight guys are more even careful not to accidentally touch for fear of violence.

Bi girls don't have that fear. "

I know; and as an experiment, we once swapped in the same room with a couple I knew. They are both bisexual but my boyfriend wasn't aware of that. I told him afterwards

It takes time for a straight guy to realise that:

1) not every bisexual guy finds him attractive; big shock to his ego

2) even if he finds him attractive, is not going to jump on him and ravish him without his consent

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality?

nope...people are choosing not to meet you because you don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for if bi male on male play is their preference...

Exactly, just the same as if people are choosing not to meet bi guys because they don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for based on their preferences.

And I think thats exactly how it should be. Fwiw I'm straight but would have no problem being around bi guys in a group situation, I may have been already I really wouldn't know. But I also have no issue with anyone saying they don't want to meet bi guys, so what that's their choice and it could be for any number of reasons it doesn't mean they are bigoted. Yes I'm sure some who say no bi guys are bigots but you can't just say they all are when you don't know their reasons. The point is people just need to live and let live and stop getting so angsty when they are not wanted, there will always be someone else who does want you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Meeting as a couple I wouldn't meet a couple with a bi male if they had a list of verifications suggesting that they normally play bi. Not because I'm homophobic, not because I fear they can't control themselves bit simply because I'd feel that the meet might leave them disappointed. There are other people I wouldn't meet fit similar reasons

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Meeting as a couple I wouldn't meet a couple with a bi male if they had a list of verifications suggesting that they normally play bi. Not because I'm homophobic, not because I fear they can't control themselves bit simply because I'd feel that the meet might leave them disappointed. There are other people I wouldn't meet fit similar reasons "

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

We are happy to play with bi guys as long as they agree to play straight, and have done on many occasions - most are happy to respect our boundaries, but unfortunately one or two have "tried it on" which is a total and immediate turn off for both of us. If this had happened the first time we payed with a bi guy we might be one of the OP's morons who specify no bi men.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

We are both bi and neither of us 'jump' or 'find irresistible' the same sex, many people assume we will fancy and want to play with everyone! Straight women do indeed assume I wont be able to stop myself, but I think that comes from the culture of mainstream swinging where the woman is the focus. I have also found a few other bi women assume I wont say no .... my bi OH mainly plays with TVs. We have stopped going to mainstream clubs as our tastes are so restricted. Happy to play with bi men, who we both click with .... but that will be just me. Given the places we go, it is unlikely we come across straight men anyway ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of contracting HIV is higher. That's my preference and its not for you OP to question it. Why don't you just mind your own business x

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By *ndigo40Woman
over a year ago

secret town

I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of contracting HIV is higher. That's my preference and its not for you OP to question it. Why don't you just mind your own business x"

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I love the level of fucking indignation that occurs on this site, it's hilarious.

It's a fuck, not a replacement kidney people are seeking.

They don't want to fuck you.

Yes there is homophobia in some of the thinking but that sadly exists worldwide and is very very sad. Threads like this won't change their thinking.

Who would want to fuck someone who is turned off by your sexuality, or someone who thinks you are a higher sexual risk.

It's a fuck, have a wank and think thank fuck I didn't compromise my standards.

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By *rwchcpleCouple
over a year ago

norwich

We had a situation where we made it clear he was straight and they were fine with this. However the male still took his cock in his mouth. We left as we said it's not what we wanted. My bloke felt a bit violated to be honest so now we won't play if man is bi. So sometimes there are reasons which aren't because people are bigoted

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"We had a situation where we made it clear he was straight and they were fine with this. However the male still took his cock in his mouth. We left as we said it's not what we wanted. My bloke felt a bit violated to be honest so now we won't play if man is bi. So sometimes there are reasons which aren't because people are bigoted "

How did that happen? I can't imagine it, as the partner of a bi man ...

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of contracting HIV is higher. That's my preference and its not for you OP to question it. Why don't you just mind your own business x"

I think those things should be challenged because it's simply not true. Statistics can be manipulated and catching HIV will depend on sexual practices, not an individual's sexuality ....

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By *rwchcpleCouple
over a year ago

norwich

How did that happen? I can't imagine it, as the partner of a bi man ..."

Other bloke was in 69 under me whilst partner fucking me

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By *ed LipstickWoman
over a year ago

Fucksville

"I only want to play with straight men and bi men don't appeal at all.

My preference and everyone else is entitled to theirs."

This

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

Maybe they like to give blood.

You cannot donate blood if you've had sex with a bisexual man.

There are all sorts of reasons for people to like what they like, to have the preferences they choose and to conduct themselves in a way they see fit. Provided they're following the rules set out by Admin on their behaviour here, they can write what they like on their profiles. As can you. We all get to choose who we play with.

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By *elnkazCouple
over a year ago

cheshire

"I only want to play with straight men and bi men don't appeal at all.

My preference and everyone else is entitled to theirs.

This

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Maybe they like to give blood.

You cannot donate blood if you've had sex with a bisexual man.

That's all well and good, but can everyone be one hundred per cent sure they haven't, given people lie on their profiles, Personally I think those guidelines are out of date, especially given some heterosexual sexual behaviour. Its like saying I am okay as others are the ones playing dangerously ....

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

According to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention:

"Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with mena made up an estimated 2% of the population but 55% of people living with HIV in the United States in 2013"

I can't post the link as I will most probably receive, yet another, timeout, but you can Google it yourself using the appropriate keywords and then write to them telling them that they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe they like to give blood.

You cannot donate blood if you've had sex with a bisexual man.

Yes! I give blood and this is my main reason.

If people want to call me a bigot because my preferences exclude them, then it's tough titty.

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By *p4funCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

Its just a personal choice we dont question other peoples preferances or choices we are all grown ups you dont like ...dont meet its quite simple really live and let live people xx

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By *onnie and JohnCouple
over a year ago

andover

we just go with the flow , but we are only bi-curious so no bottom sex. As to str8 guys is that fab str8 ?

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

My point is, how the heck to people get to know that their play partner to be has never had a bi experience? I think you can't ever be sure

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene.

Perhaps it's only me that sees a certain irony in this post from someone whose profile details their own preferences by shouting 'NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS' and limits the upper age range to 55.

The preferences based on physical attributes is fine, that is just who you are attracted to.

But sexuality tells you nothing at all about soemone and their looks, attitude, personality or anything, it literally has no effect on you.

Therefore the only reason you can have any problem with it is because you don't like people indulging in homosexual acts.

That is bigotry.

So is saying "NO SINGLE STRAIGHT GUYS" bigotry? If it is then as a single straight guy I'm going to feel awfully offended.

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Just gotta laugh

Try to keep up.

A bi guy is often happy to play straight because he likes women too.

A straight guy isn't going to play bi because he likes men too!

If you say no straight men it's because you want to play guy on guy and so straight guys are no use.

I understand, so I'm being discriminated against because of my sexuality?

nope...people are choosing not to meet you because you don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for if bi male on male play is their preference...

Exactly, just the same as if people are choosing not to meet bi guys because they don't fit the criteria of what they are looking for based on their preferences.

You've not made a point.

That's a bit like saying you don't meet people who like sushi.

They won't be eating sushi when you see them and if they didn't tell you then you wouldn't know. "

The point is that I may not want to meet people who eat sushi so I don't have to, whether they eat sushi in my presence or not is irrelevant. That doesn't automatically make me bigoted towards sushi eaters, it is my reasons for not wanting to meet sushi eaters that defines me as bigoted towards them or not.

(I'm happy to meet sushi eaters btw just in case any hot young sushi eating ladies are reading this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My point is, how the heck to people get to know that their play partner to be has never had a bi experience? I think you can't ever be sure"

You can't know for sure but you can filter out the ones that are honest and use gut instinct on the rest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"My point is, how the heck to people get to know that their play partner to be has never had a bi experience? I think you can't ever be sure

You can't know for sure but you can filter out the ones that are honest and use gut instinct on the rest."

Don't take this as being picky or rude, as I am not being ... just curious. What is 'gut instinct' based on? Can you be sure it's not based on assumptions about bi men. As a single fem I met loads of guys, had no idea if they were bi or not. Now I know them better, I know because they have told me or we have shared experiences, but I didn't then ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I see this on quite a few single women's profiles, have seen them saying they won't meet guys who have verifications from older women, BBW, younger women, mingers, ect ect. When I see that I just think fair enough your choice crack on, I don't feel the need to start a thread declaring them all bigots.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

Threads are about airing opinions and discussion. I am sure the world would go on if no new threads were started .... if you use that logic. Start one, comment on others as you wish ... pass the time, it's all good.

Some people who wont meet others dont realise how uncomfortable they can make others ... for example, some preferences can make other people very uncomfortable. We stopped going to two parties/clubs because people who say they wont play with 'blacks' are there. I don't want to play in that environment .... so they are imposing their preference on all of us, surely? The 'anti bi' brigade is why we don't go to lots of mainstream clubs too. We just don't feel comfortable around such people ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I wouldn't start a thread about it but I'd judge the shit out of them for it.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

But surely that is your preference (not going to clubs which do not want bi men playing) as it is the clubs preference not to encourage bi men playing

You don't go there and they don't want bi men; everyone is happy

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

But surely that is your preference (not going to clubs which do not want bi men playing) as it is the clubs preference not to encourage bi men playing

You don't go there and they don't want bi men; everyone is happy"

The problem is these clubs say these are bi nights, when they are obviously no. They are actually 'bi females performing for men' nights .... which actually happens on any night of the week, so hardly different from 'normal' nights .... we have been, hoping for something different, but found them not as advertised

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

But surely that is your preference (not going to clubs which do not want bi men playing) as it is the clubs preference not to encourage bi men playing

You don't go there and they don't want bi men; everyone is happy

There is a club which I visited last night where Sunday afternoon is for bi men and bi couples. There is another one too but where Monday evening is for bi-men

If you want, I can PM you the details

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

But surely that is your preference (not going to clubs which do not want bi men playing) as it is the clubs preference not to encourage bi men playing

You don't go there and they don't want bi men; everyone is happy

There is a club which I visited last night where Sunday afternoon is for bi men and bi couples. There is another one too but where Monday evening is for bi-men

If you want, I can PM you the details"

We have probably been to both and there isn't the bi male play we are expecting there. Honestly, we have been to all in the London and outskirts area. We have found one where Mr can get male on male sex .... so we return there

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By *nlyfun3Woman
over a year ago

NEAR Berkhamsted,Herts

The whole reason so many single male profiles say they r straight is because of the I won't play with bi men comment by couples and women. I find many bi men to be far more open minded than some straight men. It is each to their own, but tbh u never know if men or women r honest about their sexuality on here. It's a label only. It's the person that matters

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

But surely that is your preference (not going to clubs which do not want bi men playing) as it is the clubs preference not to encourage bi men playing

You don't go there and they don't want bi men; everyone is happy

There is a club which I visited last night where Sunday afternoon is for bi men and bi couples. There is another one too but where Monday evening is for bi-men

If you want, I can PM you the details

I very much doubt it as the one i went to last night has just opened its doors. But if you already know and like a club where bisexual men can have sex openly, then that is your best bet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

A preference doesn't make you a bigot, it's the reason for the preference that makes you a bigot or not. That's why it's wrong to group all people with the same preference together and declare them all bigoted. Just my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr is straight but bi friendly

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference. "

Who cares though? Nothing anyone can do to change ir so just ignore away.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference.

Who cares though? Nothing anyone can do to change ir so just ignore away. "

I don't think the world is changed by people ignoring bigotry. I think some is based on ignorance or people just not thinking things through ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference. "

I agree some will be bigots but you can't tar everybody with that preference with the same brush.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference.

Who cares though? Nothing anyone can do to change ir so just ignore away.

I don't think the world is changed by people ignoring bigotry. I think some is based on ignorance or people just not thinking things through ...

Very true, although if there bigotry only extends as far as who they choose to have sex with then I would say it's worth ignoring.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personal choice?

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference.

Who cares though? Nothing anyone can do to change ir so just ignore away.

I don't think the world is changed by people ignoring bigotry. I think some is based on ignorance or people just not thinking things through ...

Very true, although if there bigotry only extends as far as who they choose to have sex with then I would say it's worth ignoring.

Maybe wrong, but it's just me .... I would prefer not to encounter bigotry when playing, so avoid these couples and singles

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes you're just not comfortable getting intimate with someone who may have met others that may not necessarily tick your boxes and make you uncomfortable. I understand that.

I don't really take issue with starting a thread for discussion. Suggesting that everybody with a particular preference is a bigot is out of order in my opinion.

Some are though, and they are hiding their bigotry behind a preference.

Who cares though? Nothing anyone can do to change ir so just ignore away.

I don't think the world is changed by people ignoring bigotry. I think some is based on ignorance or people just not thinking things through ...

Very true, although if there bigotry only extends as far as who they choose to have sex with then I would say it's worth ignoring.

Maybe wrong, but it's just me .... I would prefer not to encounter bigotry when playing, so avoid these couples and singles "

Absolutely understandable and that's your preference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Freedom of choice.

Such a terrible terrible thing isn't it?

Even more so when ones persons choice excludes another. What right do these people think they have to commit such a heinous crime such as having a choice on who they interact with?

Let's destroy these people by judging and making presumptions as to why they dare to make such a choice and have such a preference! and whilst we do let's remind ourselves that we make no such judgements and make no such choices, and have no such preferences and will play with anybody and everybody irrespective of anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Freedom of choice.

Such a terrible terrible thing isn't it?

Even more so when ones persons choice excludes another. What right do these people think they have to commit such a heinous crime such as having a choice on who they interact with?

I love how "not being a total homophobe and racist" always suddenly becomes "will play with anybody and everybody".

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

"Freedom of choice.

Such a terrible terrible thing isn't it?

Even more so when ones persons choice excludes another. What right do these people think they have to commit such a heinous crime such as having a choice on who they interact with?

I wont play with anyone who can't punctuate their sentence properly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Freedom of choice.

Such a terrible terrible thing isn't it?

Even more so when ones persons choice excludes another. What right do these people think they have to commit such a heinous crime such as having a choice on who they interact with?

I wont play with anyone who can't punctuate their sentence properly "

That's a choice.

You're not allowed to have them without being judged......

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Freedom of choice.

Such a terrible terrible thing isn't it?

Even more so when ones persons choice excludes another. What right do these people think they have to commit such a heinous crime such as having a choice on who they interact with?

Me big bad bigot; I don't play with short men

Soon they will be a protected category; heightphobic folk will be tried and locked up

[ only applies where tall people don't play with short people; short people not wanting to play with tall people are simply exercising their preference ]

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

Seriously though, my point is, people put this stuff on their profiles and don't seem to care how many they upset. I dont mean upset by reading the profiles, I mean by making bi or black players feel they aren't welcome in their company, at socials or events. We don't care, as the opinions don't matter to us ... but I think that they are entitled to push your _iew on others ... I mean, if we said we don't feel comfortable playing around straight white couples, we would offend a lot of people ... and not feel welcome or comfortable at most swingers clubs. I would never say 'I feel physically sick, or turned off, seeing a white couple having sex' ... but it is apparently okay to say that about two men having sex ... how come it is acceptable to say this? I just avoid the places where I would see this, without having to make a big thing about it

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By *hree steps to heavenMan
over a year ago

Saint Albans

If I put a straight guy in a room with a bi guy, do you think you could tell the difference? Rhetorical question. Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene. At least the fetish scene understands the headonism of all things carnal."
How about just accepting that it is freedom of choice . When people make decisions based on appearance , age , or location is this also deemed to be discrimination ?

We live in a free society and no one has any right to to dictate what criteria we use to select our meets , we set this criteria ourselves .

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Seriously though, my point is, people put this stuff on their profiles and don't seem to care how many they upset. I dont mean upset by reading the profiles, I mean by making bi or black players feel they aren't welcome in their company, at socials or events. We don't care, as the opinions don't matter to us ... but I think that they are entitled to push your _iew on others ... I mean, if we said we don't feel comfortable playing around straight white couples, we would offend a lot of people ... and not feel welcome or comfortable at most swingers clubs. I would never say 'I feel physically sick, or turned off, seeing a white couple having sex' ... but it is apparently okay to say that about two men having sex ... how come it is acceptable to say this? I just avoid the places where I would see this, without having to make a big thing about it"

I really think that you are missing the point here

A heterosexual couple, whilst could theoretically have sex in a Gay sauna, will provoke similar comment

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

If I put a straight guy in a room with a bi guy, do you think you could tell the difference? Rhetorical question. Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of thing is a form of bigotry and has no place in the swinging scene. At least the fetish scene understands the headonism of all things carnal. How about just accepting that it is freedom of choice . When people make decisions based on appearance , age , or location is this also deemed to be discrimination ?

We live in a free society and no one has any right to to dictate what criteria we use to select our meets , we set this criteria ourselves . "

I think easy to say, but the 'norm' exclude others by their preferences. Take bi nights, where male bisexuality is frowned upon ....

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I really think that you are missing the point here

A heterosexual couple, whilst could theoretically have sex in a Gay sauna, will provoke similar comment"

I am not sure they would. We go to TV events where you may expect females wouldn't be welcome or encouraged, some do, some don't .... there are not so many closed minded _iews at truly bi events which aren't dominated by straight players

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why must everyone conform to your idea of hedonism?

Are there people with prejudices against bi dudes? Definitely. But, to be perfectly honest, I find that this has more to do with the whole effiminate/queen which a few gay/bi men seem a little too keen on putting out. It is unattractive to a lot of people, gays included amusingly enough.

Otherwise, people are perfectly fine to not be interested in playing with bi people...for a number of very practical reasons. STD's and unrequited sexual advances being some of them.

I find it kind of annoying how many people here seem to think that because this is swinging, people are somehow SUPPOSED to be okay with your lifestyle/fetishes/orientation. Not everyone who is uncomfortable with homo/bisexuality is some gigantic bigot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone has the freedom to express a preference.It's when someone else's choices exclude them that they get pissy!

You will find so many guys that pitch themselves as straight will carry out the actions of a bi guy even if they don't label themselves as such. People can state no Bi guys but they still meet them, they just don't know it.

I believe it's personal choice though and that's the good thing about this site, you can and should be able to be specific about nearly everything; providing it's not directly offensive go individuals.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you are happy to have sex with a male, but only if they have not ever had sex with another man, then yes you are bigoted.

Sexuality is not bigotry. Thinking that being bisexual makes a person undesireable, different or not as good as a straight person when it comes to sex is bigotry.

You may not like that fact. But it doesn't change it."

Or maybe the simply dont want the increased risk of STDs??

What kind of idiocy is this? You're bad if you have certain expectations of your partners? Is someone bad if they dont wish to sleep with a woman who has been involved in numerous gangbangs.

As said, the level of entitlement here is astounding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not going to write this reply under GCSE/A level English examination conditions, as to make a choice of who you play with, this appears to be a prerequisite for you. (Ps I won't judge you for that choice....)

But I agree, to be completely rude in expresses your preferences and judgements of those who don't meet your preferences is of course not acceptable, particularly when it is homophobic or bigoted etc etc.

But expressing such preferences politely isn't a problem, people are uncomfortable with what they are uncomfortable with, simple.

By judging those for having such a preference, and making presumptions about why they have that preference, makes one equally as bad as those being bigoted and rude IMO

And when someone gets pissy and rude and judgmental about being excluded by someone's preferences seems to reveal a certain narcissistic tendency in their personality.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

Why must everyone conform to your idea of hedonism?

Otherwise, people are perfectly fine to not be interested in playing with bi people...for a number of very practical reasons. STD's and unrequited sexual advances being some of them.

I have met loads of bi men and none of them have been effeminate or push themselves on others. I have never met a bi guy with an STI. Are you sure you aren't perpetuating the myth?

People can be okay with everyone's lifestyle choices, without having to share them surely. I don't openly question or make comments of disgust at couples when I am in a swinging club, so why should I receive them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I have no interest in trying to convince people who won't play with bi men that they should.

I have plenty of offers myself from people who are seriously into me that I don't ever first message anyone and have no need to try to get it on with people who find me a turn off, whatever their true reasons.

I stand by my earlier advice;

If you would rather not play with bi guys actively appear to be bi friendly. Then they are far more likely to tell you the truth and you can decline their advances.

Categorically state 'no bi men' and I'll categorically tell you you'll end up with bi guys lying to you and most of the time you'd never know.

I've looked at your veris people. You're only fooling yourselves

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Everyone has the freedom to express a preference.It's when someone else's choices exclude them that they get pissy!

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

But expressing such preferences politely isn't a problem, people are uncomfortable with what they are uncomfortable with, simple.

By judging those for having such a preference, and making presumptions about why they have that preference, makes one equally as bad as those being bigoted and rude IMO

And when someone gets pissy and rude and judgmental about being excluded by someone's preferences seems to reveal a certain narcissistic tendency in their personality."

I just think it is rude for people to say bi male sex makes them feel sick. I wouldn't want to play with anyone who didn't want to play with bi or black men .... as I avoid this type of person anyway by the clubs I go to .... I just think certain people feel its okay to be rude when expressing their preferences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's okay for someone to dislike homosexual or bisexual activities and people for whatever reason they choose.

People don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive". That's their choice, and to criticise it makes a person bigoted themselves.

Each to their own.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I really think that you are missing the point here

A heterosexual couple, whilst could theoretically have sex in a Gay sauna, will provoke similar comment

But as you said, some don't

It is nothing to do with closed minds. It has everything to do with sexuality. Straight men find two men having sex as off-putting; therefore, they don't visit Gay saunas and instead visit clubs where heterosexual clientele is the majority

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

But expressing such preferences politely isn't a problem, people are uncomfortable with what they are uncomfortable with, simple.

By judging those for having such a preference, and making presumptions about why they have that preference, makes one equally as bad as those being bigoted and rude IMO

And when someone gets pissy and rude and judgmental about being excluded by someone's preferences seems to reveal a certain narcissistic tendency in their personality.

But you have just expressed a preference based on their preference and been equally rude. Two wrongs do not make a right

Not that I think that their preference is wrong. It is their preference and they find people who will play with them

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By *ittlemisssassypantsCouple
over a year ago

South East Wales

Of course it is personal choice but I do find it humorous when profiles say no to bi men with the assumption that, because a man is bisexual, they will automatically fancy them and want to fuck them.

Sassy

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

But expressing such preferences politely isn't a problem, people are uncomfortable with what they are uncomfortable with, simple.

By judging those for having such a preference, and making presumptions about why they have that preference, makes one equally as bad as those being bigoted and rude IMO

And when someone gets pissy and rude and judgmental about being excluded by someone's preferences seems to reveal a certain narcissistic tendency in their personality.

But you have just expressed a preference based on their preference and been equally rude. Two wrongs do not make a right

Not that I think that their preference is wrong. It is their preference and they find people who will play with them"

Based on self preservation .... we wont return to two venues because a number of players there say they don't like bi men or black men. Why would I put my OH in that position? Spoils the whole venue for us ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's okay for someone to dislike homosexual or bisexual activities and people for whatever reason they choose.

People don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive". That's their choice, and to criticise it makes a person bigoted themselves.

Each to their own."

As long as they don't talk openly about disliking homosexuals or bisexuals. There's laws against expressing such _iews. Same as its not illegal to hold racist _iews. Expressing them is a different matter.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have met loads of bi men and none of them have been effeminate or push themselves on others. I have never met a bi guy with an STI. Are you sure you aren't perpetuating the myth?

This is the exact of foolishness I am talking about.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/bisexual-men-have-higher-risks-stds-dont-do-much-about-it-tackling-neglected-groups-sexual-problems

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3575167/

You in particular seem to display a particular kind of ignorance which is dangerous...an obsession with denying reality.

The data is clear. As a bisexual male, I am of increased risk to my female partners. That is fact. The world does not conform to my fantasy. I have been told this by GP's and nurses alike. But this is what I am starting to seem, even among the LGBT community...this attempt to silence any kind of opinion which may display bi/homosexuality in a bad light. Its unbelievably pathetic.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But expressing such preferences politely isn't a problem, people are uncomfortable with what they are uncomfortable with, simple.

By judging those for having such a preference, and making presumptions about why they have that preference, makes one equally as bad as those being bigoted and rude IMO

And when someone gets pissy and rude and judgmental about being excluded by someone's preferences seems to reveal a certain narcissistic tendency in their personality.

But you have just expressed a preference based on their preference and been equally rude. Two wrongs do not make a right

Not that I think that their preference is wrong. It is their preference and they find people who will play with them

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

But expressing such preferences politely isn't a problem, people are uncomfortable with what they are uncomfortable with, simple.

By judging those for having such a preference, and making presumptions about why they have that preference, makes one equally as bad as those being bigoted and rude IMO

And when someone gets pissy and rude and judgmental about being excluded by someone's preferences seems to reveal a certain narcissistic tendency in their personality.

But you have just expressed a preference based on their preference and been equally rude. Two wrongs do not make a right

Not that I think that their preference is wrong. It is their preference and they find people who will play with them

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass. "

We have other issues with that place. Apparently the female has to indulge in play so her man can ... so, even if I don't fancy anyone there, I have to play .... so he can, otherwise that's two years of our relationship down the pipe (as it were) as he has been using me as a ticket all this time. No way I would be with anyone who made me play when I didn't want to ... so why would I go to a club that expected that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's okay for someone to dislike homosexual or bisexual activities and people for whatever reason they choose.

People don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive". That's their choice, and to criticise it makes a person bigoted themselves.

Each to their own."

Criticising bigots makes one a bigot? How does that work then? And you don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive", you're correct. But if you start stating things like "I dislike homosexual people" - not because they're a horrible person, not because they're an arsehole, purely because they're homosexual - then you're a homophobe and I really don't know why you'd object to being described as such.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass. "

Do you know the preparation that goes into the standard anal porn shoot?

The douching, colon cleansing, dieting?? Anal sex has an increased risk of exposing oneself to fecal matter. No one wants to deal with that risk in a club, especially considering you cant exactly screen attendees.

Some you just seem filthy and riddled with issues. Its also why "GSOH" has actually become a thing. I have no idea why sexual hedonism seems to attract so many people who are completely devoid of impulse control and cleanliness.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Of course it is personal choice but I do find it humorous when profiles say no to bi men with the assumption that, because a man is bisexual, they will automatically fancy them and want to fuck them.

Sassy

Unless they state that is the reason why they won, is your answer not an assumption in itself?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Is it not just a case of everyone has the freedpm to make their own choice and preference.

Del

They do have that freedom.

But we have freedom to criticise them for being bigoted.

So straight guys who don't want to f**k with gay guys, are bigoted?

Mrs"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sassy

Unless they state that is the reason why they won, is your answer not an assumption in itself?"

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass.

Do you know the preparation that goes into the standard anal porn shoot?

Anal sex can happen quite spontaneously without massive preparation you know .... and in some clubs, people are already prepared. Spontaneous sex doesn't have to be unclean by any means ....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass.

Do you know the preparation that goes into the standard anal porn shoot?

Are you suggesting I'm unclean and devoid of the ability to control my impulses? Wow.

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass.

Do you know the preparation that goes into the standard anal porn shoot?

Are you suggesting I'm unclean and devoid of the ability to control my impulses? Wow.

Yes, really, wow, apparently its the people like us who have issues!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Some straight men in a couple don't want threesomes where a bi guy is involved; perfectly understandable

Some bi-women don't want to have sex with a bi-man; dunno what that is about though

We had this last week from a bi woman, we just replied, whatever

don't get it though "

We would

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass.

Do you know the preparation that goes into the standard anal porn shoot?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"It's okay for someone to dislike homosexual or bisexual activities and people for whatever reason they choose.

People don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive". That's their choice, and to criticise it makes a person bigoted themselves.

Each to their own.

You are incorrect. There is no such law which stops anyone from saying that they don't like Gays or bisexuals or TV/TS or Blacks or Asians. There are laws designed to protect these categories from discrimination and there are laws against hate speech which instigates violence

So, if someone says that they don't like Gays then that is fine. But if they don't employ a Gay person because they are Gay or tell others to take part in Gay-bashing, then that is illegal

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I'd give "our place for fun" a miss then.

They won't even allow you to fuck your own wife in the ass.

Do you know the preparation that goes into the standard anal porn shoot?

I have no impulse control when it comes to cleaning .... I just can't stop myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's okay for someone to dislike homosexual or bisexual activities and people for whatever reason they choose.

People don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive". That's their choice, and to criticise it makes a person bigoted themselves.

Each to their own.

So, if someone says that they don't like Gays then that is fine. But if they don't employ a Gay person because they are Gay or tell others to take part in Gay-bashing, then that is illegal"

So I can stand on a box in speakers corner and state my dislike for black people and my reasons for doing so?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I sure wouldn't meet a couple where the male half is bi. Its not a form of bigotry, just my preference. We all have our own preferences, don't we

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By *rinking-in-laCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"I'm all for people who are open minded and hate bigotry. Having said that I do respect that everyone has the right to choose, and as long as they respect others we should respect them x "

No, they have the right to choose and we should respect that. But we should not respect people who hold bigoted _iews. We should challenge them.

On forums such as this too many people hide behind the "it's my opinion therefore you cannot question me" bullshit defence.

Bollocks, it's your opinion and I have the right to question, criticise and openly deride you if what you are saying is utter nonsense.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Too many assumptions, Not enough tolerance and too much hypocrisy. Pretty sad really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's okay for someone to dislike homosexual or bisexual activities and people for whatever reason they choose.

People don't have to be "tolerant" or "progressive". That's their choice, and to criticise it makes a person bigoted themselves.

Each to their own.

There's a difference between saying "I/we don't like Bi/homosexuals" to "we don't want/wish to play with Bi/homosexuals"

The former I would agree with you on, the latter does not make one a homophobe, they have a right to feel comfortable in the activities they get involved in, and if being comfortable excludes someone who is Bi/homosexual, that isn't being homophobic at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I love threads like these.

Tells me who to avoid

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I think we should have the right to questions people's preferences. I question my own at times, but as I have said before, maybe that is the 'pc' part of me that does that.

If you are straight but wont play with a bi person, don't you ask yourself why?

If you are bi and wont play with a straight person, don't you ask yourself why? Similarly for other preferences ....

Even if you don't share your reasons with others, don't you questions to get your own moral code clear, for yourself?

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

Here are my reasons: we don't play with straight women because Mr doesn't play with women without me being involved, so no point.

We may play with straight men, depending on if we click, but unlikely we will have much in common and they will think Mr will be after them.

We may play with bi women, but only if we both like them, certainly not if they are too aggressive.

We may play with bi men, but only if we both like them and they aren't too presumptuous.

We may and indeed mostly, do play alone or together, with TVs TS because we feel we get the best of both worlds .... but again depends on the mood and if we all click.

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By *nlyfun3Woman
over a year ago

NEAR Berkhamsted,Herts

I have met loads of bi men and none of them have been effeminate or push themselves on others. I have never met a bi guy with an STI. Are you sure you aren't perpetuating the myth?

This is the exact of foolishness I am talking about.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/bisexual-men-have-higher-risks-stds-dont-do-much-about-it-tackling-neglected-groups-sexual-problems

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3575167/

You in particular seem to display a particular kind of ignorance which is dangerous...an obsession with denying reality.

Fab articles. Thanks .

Like this this more recent 1 which explains why they have been found to be a higher group statically because they unlike heterosexual men r more likely to get tested so know their sexual status and proportionately where condoms more than heterosexual men.

https://www.gmfa.org.uk/blog/5-reasons-why-gay-men-get-more-stis

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thread god knows how many, coming soon to a thread near you

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over a year ago

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By *awandOrderCouple
over a year ago

SW London

I am speaking from my own experience, seven years playing with bi men and my OH who is bi, has been playing with men for thirty years or so ... neither of us has had an STI STD.... its not our fantasy, but our reality .... and maybe also based on who we meet and their own behaviour in terms of safe sex. We understand that more experienced swingers play safer, but we also make sure too. I am not in denial, delusional or in a different world, indeed I think we are in the real world here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I also take my sexual health very seriously.

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