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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Had a heated discussion with a good friend.. and wondered if anyone had any good links on transmission risks.

We are of the _iew ( mostly after advice at the clinic) that while now using a condom for oral is a risk... that the risk is considerably less than bareback sex.

Basically she says that if we dont use dental dams or condoms for oral then we may as well have bare sex. Ive tried to argue that while yes there is a risk its a lesser one.. to no avail.

So does anyone have any upto date transmission risk assessments as i was told at the clinic that its considerably less risky and very hard to get actual figures as its rare someone only does oral.

Thanks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

*not instead of now

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

is it because the level of dental health is lower now and that increases the risk

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"is it because the level of dental health is lower now and that increases the risk"
but surely not as low as to say its the same risk as bare full sex.. and I know that its more the risk of hiv from full sex as opposed to oral.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"is it because the level of dental health is lower now and that increases the risk but surely not as low as to say its the same risk as bare full sex.. and I know that its more the risk of hiv from full sex as opposed to oral. "

but do gums bleed more and expose the risk if the health of the mouth is low and that is greater than the risk of vaginal tearing.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I have no idea, just guessing.

I read that mouth/tonsil cancers were increasing because of the lower level of dental care.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

when looking up about STIs i've seen some nasty pics of oral ones. everyone should have a look at them.

oral doesn't produce the risk of pregnancy, not sure about the STI thing myself. i think i'm biased already but i feel like the risk is about the same. but worse coz if you got an STI on your face then everyone can see it.

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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum


"is it because the level of dental health is lower now and that increases the risk"

is it? I thought our dental health on average was the best that its ever been.

If the horses mouth (ie clinics) state that the risk of contracting STIs from oral sex is lower then I would believe them. The only problem would be fewer people reporting oral STIs, from either not knowing (get your throats swabbed people) or not recognising the symptoms.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is the CDC's HIV risk assessment tool.

https://wwwn.cdc.gov/hivrisk/estimator.html

I'm surprised this hasn't been linked to before when these topics come up. Guess people prefer hyperbole.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"is it because the level of dental health is lower now and that increases the risk

is it? I thought our dental health on average was the best that its ever been.

If the horses mouth (ie clinics) state that the risk of contracting STIs from oral sex is lower then I would believe them. The only problem would be fewer people reporting oral STIs, from either not knowing (get your throats swabbed people) or not recognising the symptoms."

I was told this when asking why they no longer offered throat swabs unless you requested them... they said it wasn't cost effective as transmission rates were considerably lower. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Part of the problem is a lot of people don't want to use condoms for oral for varied reasons.

A shame really because if we could all do our bit we could 1 day eliminate these horrible things.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm always a little bemused by the profiles which clearly state no bareback but they love to swallow. I can only assume they're scared of pregnancy but not STI's.

Personally, I'd get no pleasure from oral with a condom or dam but people have to take the risks and precautions they're comfortable with.

Mrs X

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Part of the problem is a lot of people don't want to use condoms for oral for varied reasons.

A shame really because if we could all do our bit we could 1 day eliminate these horrible things."

ill be honest and say not a hope id use them for oral.

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By *atasha_DavidCouple
over a year ago

Slough

OK hard numbers are scarce and the majority focus on HIV but below are some stats on transmission rates compared to activity.

The point to bear in mind is if your playmate is not infected you cannot be so all tranmission risks have to be multiplied by a REALISTIC calculation of the likelyhood they are infected. This on the swing scene may be higher than we like to believe.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html

Type of Exposure Risk per 10,000 Exposures

Parenteral

Blood Transfusion 9,250

Needle-Sharing During Injection Drug Use 63

Percutaneous (Needle-Stick) 23

Sexual

Receptive Anal Intercourse 138

Insertive Anal Intercourse 11

Receptive Penile-Vaginal Intercourse 8

Insertive Penile-Vaginal Intercourse 4

Receptive Oral Intercourse Low

Insertive Oral Intercourse Low

Biting Negligible

Spitting Negligible

Body Fluids Inc Semen/Saliva Negligible

Sharing Sex Toys Negligible

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/19/how_risky_is_oral_sex/

Nikki Mayes of the CDC’s media office says, “As far as I’m aware, no studies have quantified the exact risk for all STIs [through oral sex],” and the CDC doesn’t gather data on STIs contracted through oral sex. It’s difficult to attribute infections to any single sex act — most people who contract STIs engage in a variety of potentially risky sexual practices.

But we can look at what we know about the transmission risks of particular STIs, starting first with the one that scares people the most: HIV. The greatest danger when it comes to oral sex is believed to be with fellatio for the “receptive partner.” The receptive partner is the person receiving the penis or vagina in their mouth.

A University of California, San Francisco, study put the per-contact risk of transmission through “receptive” fellatio with an HIV positive partner at 0.04 percent. (For perspective, consider that the same study found a much higher per-contact risk of 0.82 percent for unprotected receptive anal sex.) The researchers calculated the rate of HIV transmission to be 4 out of 10,000 acts of fellatio. Without ejaculation in the mouth, though, some experts have called HIV transmission via performing fellatio “extremely low risk.”

As for the danger of having someone perform unprotected oral sex on you: “The only risk in this scenario would be from bleeding wounds or gums in the HIV positive person’s mouth or on their lips, which may transfer blood onto the mucous membranes of the other person’s genitals or anus, or into any cuts or sores they may have,” according to AVERT.

Now that we’ve addressed people’s worst fear, let’s turn to the most realistic worry: herpes. It presents the biggest threat of transmission through oral sex, and barrier methods don’t always prevent it. Most risky is the transmission of HSV-1, which typically shows up as sores around the mouth but which can be transmitted from the mouth to the genitals. One study found that women who received oral sex but didn’t have vaginal intercourse were more than nine times as likely to contract the virus than sexually inactive women. (That’s compared to women who only had vaginal intercourse, which were at a lesser risk.) HSV-2 can also be transmitted from genitals to mouth, although it’s rarer.

The other leading risk through oral sex is gonorrhea, says Hurt. STD clinics have reported that 5 to 10 percent of patients have gonorrhea of the throat. Scarier still: Cases of antibiotic-resistant oral gonorrhea are on the rise (meaning these cases are harder to treat but not incurable).

Chlamydia and syphilis are in the second tier of risk through oral sex. A Chicago study found that 13.7 percent of syphilis cases were attributed to oral sex. Generally, though, it’s believed to be uncommon. As for syphilis, that seemingly antiquated infection, it’s “easily transmitted” during oral sex — “if a person’s mouth comes into contact with an open sore or a skin rash caused by the infection,” according to AVERT.

As for HPV, Hurt says, “We really don’t know what the risk is … but it clearly can infect in and around the mouth, as well as in the genital tract.” One study described the risk as “small.” Further down the list of risk are Hepatitis A, gastrointestinal infections, and parasites

One takeaway is that — sorry, fellatio fans — blow jobs tends to be riskier than cunnilingus. “Across all STIs and all sex acts, generally the receptive partner is the one at greater risk for STI and HIV acquisition, the idea being that wherever ejaculate winds up, that’s also where the greatest burden of infectious material will also wind up,” says Hurt. But that hardly means that cunnilinguists are in the clear: He also says that the risk of contracting syphilis, herpes or HPV by performing oral sex on a woman is “arguably just as high” as with fellatio “since these infections can occur both inside the vagina and on the skin surface.”

Hope this helps

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"OK hard numbers are scarce and the majority focus on HIV but below are some stats on transmission rates compared to activity.

The point to bear in mind is if your playmate is not infected you cannot be so all tranmission risks have to be multiplied by a REALISTIC calculation of the likelyhood they are infected. This on the swing scene may be higher than we like to believe.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimates/riskbehaviors.html

Type of Exposure Risk per 10,000 Exposures

Parenteral

Blood Transfusion 9,250

Needle-Sharing During Injection Drug Use 63

Percutaneous (Needle-Stick) 23

Sexual

Receptive Anal Intercourse 138

Insertive Anal Intercourse 11

Receptive Penile-Vaginal Intercourse 8

Insertive Penile-Vaginal Intercourse 4

Receptive Oral Intercourse Low

Insertive Oral Intercourse Low

Biting Negligible

Spitting Negligible

Body Fluids Inc Semen/Saliva Negligible

Sharing Sex Toys Negligible

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/19/how_risky_is_oral_sex/

Nikki Mayes of the CDC’s media office says, “As far as I’m aware, no studies have quantified the exact risk for all STIs [through oral sex],” and the CDC doesn’t gather data on STIs contracted through oral sex. It’s difficult to attribute infections to any single sex act — most people who contract STIs engage in a variety of potentially risky sexual practices.

But we can look at what we know about the transmission risks of particular STIs, starting first with the one that scares people the most: HIV. The greatest danger when it comes to oral sex is believed to be with fellatio for the “receptive partner.” The receptive partner is the person receiving the penis or vagina in their mouth.

A University of California, San Francisco, study put the per-contact risk of transmission through “receptive” fellatio with an HIV positive partner at 0.04 percent. (For perspective, consider that the same study found a much higher per-contact risk of 0.82 percent for unprotected receptive anal sex.) The researchers calculated the rate of HIV transmission to be 4 out of 10,000 acts of fellatio. Without ejaculation in the mouth, though, some experts have called HIV transmission via performing fellatio “extremely low risk.”

As for the danger of having someone perform unprotected oral sex on you: “The only risk in this scenario would be from bleeding wounds or gums in the HIV positive person’s mouth or on their lips, which may transfer blood onto the mucous membranes of the other person’s genitals or anus, or into any cuts or sores they may have,” according to AVERT.

Now that we’ve addressed people’s worst fear, let’s turn to the most realistic worry: herpes. It presents the biggest threat of transmission through oral sex, and barrier methods don’t always prevent it. Most risky is the transmission of HSV-1, which typically shows up as sores around the mouth but which can be transmitted from the mouth to the genitals. One study found that women who received oral sex but didn’t have vaginal intercourse were more than nine times as likely to contract the virus than sexually inactive women. (That’s compared to women who only had vaginal intercourse, which were at a lesser risk.) HSV-2 can also be transmitted from genitals to mouth, although it’s rarer.

The other leading risk through oral sex is gonorrhea, says Hurt. STD clinics have reported that 5 to 10 percent of patients have gonorrhea of the throat. Scarier still: Cases of antibiotic-resistant oral gonorrhea are on the rise (meaning these cases are harder to treat but not incurable).

Chlamydia and syphilis are in the second tier of risk through oral sex. A Chicago study found that 13.7 percent of syphilis cases were attributed to oral sex. Generally, though, it’s believed to be uncommon. As for syphilis, that seemingly antiquated infection, it’s “easily transmitted” during oral sex — “if a person’s mouth comes into contact with an open sore or a skin rash caused by the infection,” according to AVERT.

As for HPV, Hurt says, “We really don’t know what the risk is … but it clearly can infect in and around the mouth, as well as in the genital tract.” One study described the risk as “small.” Further down the list of risk are Hepatitis A, gastrointestinal infections, and parasites

One takeaway is that — sorry, fellatio fans — blow jobs tends to be riskier than cunnilingus. “Across all STIs and all sex acts, generally the receptive partner is the one at greater risk for STI and HIV acquisition, the idea being that wherever ejaculate winds up, that’s also where the greatest burden of infectious material will also wind up,” says Hurt. But that hardly means that cunnilinguists are in the clear: He also says that the risk of contracting syphilis, herpes or HPV by performing oral sex on a woman is “arguably just as high” as with fellatio “since these infections can occur both inside the vagina and on the skin surface.”

Hope this helps

"

Thanks.. that basically sounds like what the clinic said... im not stupid.. I know it is possible to catch things orally its why i wont swallow now x ans tend to wear it except on rare occassions that i share it with another lady..

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