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"I am personally totally against it.. but as we say many times.. each to their own." Yup i agree,_iew. i am against it because i hate the limited number of sexual roles that some try to impose on women.Look in ann summers,you can still only be the sexy school girl,naughty nurse or Domme,basically virgin whore or mother. i am all three,at times,and so much more.i choose not to be confined by any stereotype. But if someone else gets off on it ,who am i ,the writer of rape fantasies and lover of marmite ,to disagree, | |||
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"Life is about contrast. It shows off things by the contrast. A grown woman doesnt look like a real schoolgirl in a uniform but shows off her sexuality and maturity. Put her in a mans suit and again, she looks feminine. Its all just a bit of fun isnt it. Mistress x" Maybe in her mind.. it is the mind of the other desiring her that MAY concern me. and note use of MAY | |||
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"Life is about contrast. It shows off things by the contrast. A grown woman doesnt look like a real schoolgirl in a uniform but shows off her sexuality and maturity. Put her in a mans suit and again, she looks feminine. Its all just a bit of fun isnt it. Mistress x Maybe in her mind.. it is the mind of the other desiring her that MAY concern me. and note use of MAY" When I was younger the thought made me a little uncomfortable but lets face it, sex costume school girl out fits look not much like the ones we wore to school. Usually more a St Trinians type of look. With MOST men it is prob just a little harmless fun. Mistress x | |||
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"don't no were the op got the point from that all men are; i am not one of them." Where did I say all... I said lots.. lots and all are not the same. I also made it clear that my reasons for liking it were just that. Katie.. x | |||
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"would we think it inappropriate if a woman in one of those outfits said to her lover 'Tonight, Matthew, I'm going to be inexperienced and naive and you have to lead me...'" No I don't think people would... I think it can lead to a great deal of fun. And It's lovely to be lead astray so to speak. Oh and of course blush in all the right places lol Katie | |||
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"I must be weird then... I do not see the point of dressing up for sex...... I am into Role Play,,, but not the dressing up thing.... I don't like school uniforms, nurses, police women etc its demeaning to the people who have to work in that role every day... I prefer people to act themselves.....If a woman has to dress for me I would prefer her to wear something she would if going out to a night out...." I've been out in my uniform many a time on A girls night out.. but then, I'm a big kid at heart.. so perhaps that's part of it... lol It's interesting to get peoples _iews though.. its funny as It's the only real roleplay I enjoy... being the bad school girl and punished.. rest of the time its not play we just do things for real. Lol I did once actually get up to no good in my real uniform.. I was 18 though... but stayed on, and our school made 6th formers wear uniform too... lol.... it just felt naughty to leave it on. Katie.. | |||
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"Isn't it all about the mind that matters? If a man is asking a woman to dress up as a schoolgirl because he actually desires a schoolgirl, and the adult woman is just a substitute, then he is on dodgy ground. On the other hand if he's asking her to dress up as a schoolgirl because it ties into shared fantasies or memories of early experiences, without the woman being sublimated into the schoolgirl role, then there's nothing wrong with it. The stylized school girl outfits Ann Summers sell are not sexy in and of themselves, but they may well serve as signifiers of a willingness to play, and maybe even of a role that the wearer wants to play - would we think it inappropriate if a woman in one of those outfits said to her lover 'Tonight, Matthew, I'm going to be inexperienced and naive and you have to lead me...'" i think the problem comes from the fact most people do not consider their own or others motivations or why a certain thing gets them hard or wet.Which is why ppl on the outside can feel uncomfortable with the "role " they have chosen to adopt. How many who say school girl dress up is fine would draw the line at an adult baby or toddler? And if it isn't ok,then are they not being inconsistent? | |||
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"Life is about contrast. It shows off things by the contrast. A grown woman doesnt look like a real schoolgirl in a uniform but shows off her sexuality and maturity. Put her in a mans suit and again, she looks feminine. Its all just a bit of fun isnt it. Mistress x Maybe in her mind.. it is the mind of the other desiring her that MAY concern me. and note use of MAY When I was younger the thought made me a little uncomfortable but lets face it, sex costume school girl out fits look not much like the ones we wore to school. Usually more a St Trinians type of look. With MOST men it is prob just a little harmless fun. Mistress x" yup... each to their own. Different strokes for different folks and thats what this world is all about. Exploring and enjoying. | |||
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"Isn't it all about the mind that matters? If a man is asking a woman to dress up as a schoolgirl because he actually desires a schoolgirl, and the adult woman is just a substitute, then he is on dodgy ground. On the other hand if he's asking her to dress up as a schoolgirl because it ties into shared fantasies or memories of early experiences, without the woman being sublimated into the schoolgirl role, then there's nothing wrong with it. The stylized school girl outfits Ann Summers sell are not sexy in and of themselves, but they may well serve as signifiers of a willingness to play, and maybe even of a role that the wearer wants to play - would we think it inappropriate if a woman in one of those outfits said to her lover 'Tonight, Matthew, I'm going to be inexperienced and naive and you have to lead me...' i think the problem comes from the fact most people do not consider their own or others motivations or why a certain thing gets them hard or wet.Which is why ppl on the outside can feel uncomfortable with the "role " they have chosen to adopt. How many who say school girl dress up is fine would draw the line at an adult baby or toddler? And if it isn't ok,then are they not being inconsistent?" You're spot on about motivations and insight being rarer than you would hope. there probably are two debates - one is more YKINMK than about motivations. | |||
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"I'm not really keen on it, I know lots are but I can't get the thought process out of my head that its a woman trying to look like a pre pubescent girl and sexualising thay image. I am totally against rape role play and I don't think it should be used in films. I cannot see any sexiness in an obscene degrading crime. As I said on the other thread I'm against women dressed in frilly dresses and calling men 'Daddy'. " The rapeplay is not for you.. but for some its enjoyable... they never show much in movies and even the porn on those roleplay fantasys are not good... but that's the same with most hard core porn. I don't think anyone is wanting to be seen as less than a young woman when dressing up.... more late school years.. so definitely 16plus image As for the daddy bit well... TO be fair within bdsm there is an area that is called daddy Dom.. now yes they get called daddy, but It's not because the look at them as their daddy... its more the general role. It's kinda daddy like, as in looking out for them, helping there mental and physical wellbeing, helping them become the best they can be... actually many in this sort of relationship its not sexual... I have learnt a lot this last year... and have learned that things are not always as they seem.... I only mention this as it came up the other day about someones user name.. to be fair, I know even within bdsm that some think It's a bit strange... for me once I researched and learned I felt enlightened and was glad I hadn't judged. But yes they do sit on laps And get to indulge their inner child... and I think from what I've seem its a million miles away from incest play. I can't post the link I found which really does explain it.. but if you don't know much about dominant and submissive relationships it wouldn't make much sense either.. But It's definitely not about incest... and is very lovely to read on those forums, the love and devotion is just beautiful. Katie x | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx" TO you yes... but not to all.. some enjoy it.... I certainly find that you find a lot of victims taking part in that sort of play.. perhaps its a way of taking back control.... as It's consenting people doing it. Others fantasy's are amazing... I read some and think, oh how can they.. but then some of mine (And I tend to make mine reality) would get the same back... And the think that yes I've read quite a bit on the daddy role in that sense.. as when I come across something I like to find out what I can.. Katie x | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx TO you yes... but not to all.. some enjoy it.... I certainly find that you find a lot of victims taking part in that sort of play.. perhaps its a way of taking back control.... as It's consenting people doing it. Others fantasy's are amazing... I read some and think, oh how can they.. but then some of mine (And I tend to make mine reality) would get the same back... And the think that yes I've read quite a bit on the daddy role in that sense.. as when I come across something I like to find out what I can.. Katie x " Katie.. of course it is to me.. I only post what is my opinion, what turns me on, what doesn't... and some of the things that don't, I am happy to be educated on to become more informed. And some I don't As for victims of rape taking part in rape role play.. I have no knowledge or experience of that. I would imagine very, very few tho. No stats to support that.. an uninformed guess. | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx" i really do not want to have this arguement so would you retract that and return to your we are all different stance from elsewhere. Daddy Doms have nothing to do with age either. | |||
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"I am personally totally against it.. but as we say many times.. each to their own." Got to agree. For me (disclaimer, my thoughts only) there seems something wrong about dressing as a school girl, and the men that desire a grown woman pretending to be a young girl. | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx i really do not want to have this arguement so would you retract that and return to your we are all different stance from elsewhere. Daddy Doms have nothing to do with age either." Retract what... | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx i really do not want to have this arguement so would you retract that and return to your we are all different stance from elsewhere. Daddy Doms have nothing to do with age either. Retract what... " That rape play is disrespectful to rape victims.You might as well say all BDSM is disrespectful of torture victims and school uniforms of children attacked by peadophiles. As _wayman said YKINMK is always worth remembering. | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx i really do not want to have this arguement so would you retract that and return to your we are all different stance from elsewhere. Daddy Doms have nothing to do with age either." I know two that the little is at least 20years older than their daddy... I think that he was just explaining its not to do with incest... And its been interesting to read others _iews.. and miss puddle (haha) you know that I understand why your comments... but I always remember on here that our interests are little understood.. like I happily admit I don't get watersports... amongst other things.. and you don't get the school girl play bit.. which is something I love.. even found a school for wayward girls.. thought of seeing if master should go be a guest teacher there lol But It something we enjoy... as consenting adults.. I always try to point out how many would get how if we loved our partners we could do what we do... they would say we are wrong... but we all would disagree. Katie. | |||
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"I am personally totally against it.. but as we say many times.. each to their own. Yup i agree,_iew. i am against it because i hate the limited number of sexual roles that some try to impose on women.Look in ann summers,you can still only be the sexy school girl,naughty nurse or Domme,basically virgin whore or mother. i am all three,at times,and so much more.i choose not to be confined by any stereotype. But if someone else gets off on it ,who am i ,the writer of rape fantasies and lover of marmite ,to disagree," Marmite! You're sick! | |||
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"Speaking of what's worth remembering. It's worth remembering that, if we're looking for subjects to allow the media another excuse to give us a hard time, discussion of rape roleplay and dressing as schoolgirls is going to be well up the list." I don't think dressing up as school girls would be very big news lol... when I ran a sex shop.. I sold school uniforms more than any other uniform... go out on A Friday night and you will see on most weekends at least one group dressed like that.. its a popular theme and is general It seems accepted more in vanilla would... actually I know of two hen partie's that have a st trinian theme going ahead next month... The rapeplay is something else... but still others interest and note The word play. Katie x | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx i really do not want to have this arguement so would you retract that and return to your we are all different stance from elsewhere. Daddy Doms have nothing to do with age either. I know two that the little is at least 20years older than their daddy... I think that he was just explaining its not to do with incest... And its been interesting to read others _iews.. and miss puddle (haha) you know that I understand why your comments... but I always remember on here that our interests are little understood.. like I happily admit I don't get watersports... amongst other things.. and you don't get the school girl play bit.. which is something I love.. even found a school for wayward girls.. thought of seeing if master should go be a guest teacher there lol But It something we enjoy... as consenting adults.. I always try to point out how many would get how if we loved our partners we could do what we do... they would say we are wrong... but we all would disagree. Katie." Oi, call me miss puddle and you will get a spanking young lady...oh hang on... Ahh i didnt say i did not understand,or even enjoy the idea of such explorations.And in my naughty school i''m matron so watch out! Simply that as a feminist as well as a sub slut i have problems with the roles considered acceptable for women to be sexual in. | |||
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" Oi, call me miss puddle and you will get a spanking young lady...oh hang on... Ahh i didnt say i did not understand,or even enjoy the idea of such explorations.And in my naughty school i''m matron so watch out! Simply that as a feminist as well as a sub slut i have problems with the roles considered acceptable for women to be sexual in." See I'm rather anti feminist... not what they originally stood for but the twisted way they work now I don't agree.. I see much sense in traditional roles.. while yes women needed some of the things, I feel for many now its about proving we don't need men.. So perhaps that is why I love to indulge this one area of role play... Katie x | |||
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"............ ........... Women being held down and violently fucked, whilst shouting no please don't, albeit simulated, does not sit right with me. I don't see fantasy in rape. ................." Worse, it provides ammunition for the deranged few who insist that 'when a woman says no she doesn't always mean no. | |||
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"which really in most cases is not the case... yes their are exceptions... but that's the case in anything Well you carry on having your bit off fun. Personally id dont have any deep routed pyscialogical problems" I don't either, I'm just capable of having some harmless fun between consenting adults.. and not looking for reasons that aren't there... and actually of 12 profiles I've looked at in last hour over half had ladys in ann summers school outfit. Katie x | |||
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"Rape roleplay is abhorent and disrespectful in the extreme to every victim of rape.. I kinda get the Daddy thing as very accepted in the GAY community and is seem as Older Man and Younger Guy. xx i really do not want to have this arguement so would you retract that and return to your we are all different stance from elsewhere. Daddy Doms have nothing to do with age either. I know two that the little is at least 20years older than their daddy... I think that he was just explaining its not to do with incest... And its been interesting to read others _iews.. and miss puddle (haha) you know that I understand why your comments... but I always remember on here that our interests are little understood.. like I happily admit I don't get watersports... amongst other things.. and you don't get the school girl play bit.. which is something I love.. even found a school for wayward girls.. thought of seeing if master should go be a guest teacher there lol But It something we enjoy... as consenting adults.. I always try to point out how many would get how if we loved our partners we could do what we do... they would say we are wrong... but we all would disagree. Katie. Oi, call me miss puddle and you will get a spanking young lady...oh hang on... Ahh i didnt say i did not understand,or even enjoy the idea of such explorations.And in my naughty school i''m matron so watch out! Simply that as a feminist as well as a sub slut i have problems with the roles considered acceptable for women to be sexual in." I love this thread, because it keeps splitting into levels of comprehension. Without any other evidence, a man shagging an adult woman in a schoolgirl outfit is only a man shagging an adult woman. Or as Susan Sontag put it more skilfully, sometimes a dream about a bearded man smoking a cigar just means Fidel Castro was on the news before you went to bed. Of course in this post-modern age we can be very knowing about all this, but that's no reason to beat up a paediatrician. The commodification of sex can be a turn off - Ann Summers is to sex what Clinton Cards are to romance in my world, but I'm sure there are others who would disagree. Now, about this school where Jem is the matron.... | |||
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" Oi, call me miss puddle and you will get a spanking young lady...oh hang on... Ahh i didnt say i did not understand,or even enjoy the idea of such explorations.And in my naughty school i''m matron so watch out! Simply that as a feminist as well as a sub slut i have problems with the roles considered acceptable for women to be sexual in. See I'm rather anti feminist... not what they originally stood for but the twisted way they work now I don't agree.. I see much sense in traditional roles.. while yes women needed some of the things, I feel for many now its about proving we don't need men.. So perhaps that is why I love to indulge this one area of role play... Katie x " Avoiding the comments that will result in a ban...see Sir ,im learning, i understand why u like many women were turned off by the second wave of feminists.There agenda was to tell women what they should think.However there are quite a few now trying to reclaim the high ground.Feminism if it means anything is about not being forced into roles,about men and women being valued for what they are,not the configuration of their genitals. Remember i choose to be a full time mum.i see that as a valid feminist choice,and see the battle as being about patriarchal values,whoever expresses them. This is also how i explain my submission.Yes i kneel to my Master,but i choose to do so.i hope for a world where we are all free to make the life choices we want.Whether a young girl in Bangladesh who is getting an education of the graduate in England who opts for a 1950's household lifestyle. | |||
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"............ ........... Women being held down and violently fucked, whilst shouting no please don't, albeit simulated, does not sit right with me. I don't see fantasy in rape. ................. Worse, it provides ammunition for the deranged few who insist that 'when a woman says no she doesn't always mean no." No it doesn't. | |||
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"Rape play.....is there a connection here with swinging? Swinging is fun.....Rape is anything but fun" But play is - you omitted the word that doesn't fit your preconceptions and I just added it back in. | |||
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"which really in most cases is not the case... yes their are exceptions... but that's the case in anything Well you carry on having your bit off fun. Personally id dont have any deep routed pyscialogical problems" Are you qualified to make that diagnosis about other people as well as yourself? | |||
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"............ ........... Women being held down and violently fucked, whilst shouting no please don't, albeit simulated, does not sit right with me. I don't see fantasy in rape. ................. Worse, it provides ammunition for the deranged few who insist that 'when a woman says no she doesn't always mean no. No it doesn't. " I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. Are you saying 'no doesn't always mean no' or that it doesn't provide ammunition for ......... etc'? | |||
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"Some of the comments put forward by supposedly educated sane people have rendered me speechless!" Whose comments are you referring to? Don't sit on the fence, if you're making a statement that you think someone is uneducated and stupid, and that's what you're insinuating here, then let's have the username and the comment and a discussion can commence. | |||
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"Some of the comments put forward by supposedly educated sane people have rendered me speechless! Whose comments are you referring to? Don't sit on the fence, if you're making a statement that you think someone is uneducated and stupid, and that's what you're insinuating here, then let's have the username and the comment and a discussion can commence. " Moot point as Admin have agreed with me and removed them and Ruggers has in affect issued a gagging order, so you'll just have to wonder. If you have a Twitter account however... | |||
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"Some of the comments put forward by supposedly educated sane people have rendered me speechless! Whose comments are you referring to? Don't sit on the fence, if you're making a statement that you think someone is uneducated and stupid, and that's what you're insinuating here, then let's have the username and the comment and a discussion can commence. Moot point as Admin have agreed with me and removed them and Ruggers has in affect issued a gagging order, so you'll just have to wonder. If you have a Twitter account however... " oh sorry Sassy, I did see the post from Rugby stating the removal of certain posts, so in light of that your comment still remaining probably looks totally out of context. I do apologise | |||
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"Some of the comments put forward by supposedly educated sane people have rendered me speechless! Whose comments are you referring to? Don't sit on the fence, if you're making a statement that you think someone is uneducated and stupid, and that's what you're insinuating here, then let's have the username and the comment and a discussion can commence. Moot point as Admin have agreed with me and removed them and Ruggers has in affect issued a gagging order, so you'll just have to wonder. If you have a Twitter account however... oh sorry Sassy, I did see the post from Rugby stating the removal of certain posts, so in light of that your comment still remaining probably looks totally out of context. I do apologise " There's nothing to apologise for. I didn't quote them so my post remains and does appear out of context now. | |||
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"............ ........... Women being held down and violently fucked, whilst shouting no please don't, albeit simulated, does not sit right with me. I don't see fantasy in rape. ................. Worse, it provides ammunition for the deranged few who insist that 'when a woman says no she doesn't always mean no. No it doesn't. I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make. Are you saying 'no doesn't always mean no' or that it doesn't provide ammunition for ......... etc'?" You asserted that it provides ammunition for those who claim no doesn't always mean no. I asserted that it doesn't. In the absence of any evidence from you I can refute your assertion absolutely, without providing any evidence or argument of my own. It's called the Hitchens gambit. | |||
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"Some of the comments put forward by supposedly educated sane people have rendered me speechless! Whose comments are you referring to? Don't sit on the fence, if you're making a statement that you think someone is uneducated and stupid, and that's what you're insinuating here, then let's have the username and the comment and a discussion can commence. Moot point as Admin have agreed with me and removed them and Ruggers has in affect issued a gagging order, so you'll just have to wonder. If you have a Twitter account however... " Censorship does so much for the quality of the debate doesn't it? | |||
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" oh sorry Sassy, I did see the post from Rugby stating the removal of certain posts, so in light of that your comment still remaining probably looks totally out of context. I do apologise " Just to be clear to save any confusion...I didn't remove any posts, just put a reminder out there | |||
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"http://www.fabswingers.com/content/forum-rules If you don't like the rules that Admin have set and you think it infringes your right to speak freely, then you don't have to use the forums. If you want websites without rules I am sure there are plenty about, but this isn't one of them." Please, spare me. I just made the point that deleting posts makes debates difficult. If I wanted a lecture about rules I'd have asked for one. | |||
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"It says a lot about a person when they take a comment as a "lecture" But, as always, let people say what they want, including me, as long as it is within the rules." I really don't need to prolong this, but you're personalizing this needlessly. if you think you can tell something about me, put it on the page. Incidentally, being bored, I just read the rules. They ban discussion of rape, but not rape play. Which seems to be something of a bone of contention. | |||
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"It says a lot about a person when they take a comment as a "lecture" But, as always, let people say what they want, including me, as long as it is within the rules. I really don't need to prolong this, but you're personalizing this needlessly. if you think you can tell something about me, put it on the page. ." Good idea. Nope, I know nothing about you, only what you have written. Now I think maybe you are spoiling for a row, and to be honest, it isn't my day for a row, so maybe try again one day next week Will ask Admin to comment on the roleplay, just so you know I am not making it up. | |||
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