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"Got to say I agree on both counts. It's one thing enjoying a drink like you would on any evening out. But totally different thing to need it to play. Plus, as you say, nothing worse than someone who's d*unk when it comes to playing if they're really far gone. " But it happens all too often, i do wonder about consent,and wish clubs would do more to get d*unk ppl to leave. | |||
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"Got to say I agree on both counts. It's one thing enjoying a drink like you would on any evening out. But totally different thing to need it to play. Plus, as you say, nothing worse than someone who's d*unk when it comes to playing if they're really far gone. But it happens all too often, i do wonder about consent,and wish clubs would do more to get d*unk ppl to leave. " Yes I've seen it a number of times at Chams and it does make you wonder. It's bad enough when it's someone from a couple with at least one person looking out for them. But I do worry when I see single females barely able to stand. | |||
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"I know what you mean but I'm not apposed to a couple of drinks. I've also been to a club and seen women (I only say women cause that's what I've whitnessed) bladdered! I agree that a swinging club is not the place to be that d*unk! If your that d*unk you don't know what your doing which means your left open for people to take advantage! And some men will try and take advantage! " That is very true,i do think clubs should try to police this more.But even worse to my mind are the couples where the male is plying his partner with drink! | |||
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"If folk need to be d*unk to swing then they've chosen the wrong hobby. The two just don't fit comfortably together. XXXX" agreed | |||
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"If folk need to be d*unk to swing then they've chosen the wrong hobby. The two just don't fit comfortably together. XXXX" A couple of times i have taken the female to one side,to try to have a quiet word.But it is still the case that at any party or social there seem to be an idea everyone will drink heavily. | |||
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"Following on from the poppers thread,what do people think of those who seemingly have to be d*unk to play? i have observed this quite a few times at clubs, especially amongst women,nothing happening until they are almost mortal.Some might say it is dutch courage,but to my mind if you need a drink to play,you should really consider whether swinging is for you. D*unkenness is also very unsexy.What do others think?" can only agree. | |||
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"Following on from the poppers thread,what do people think of those who seemingly have to be d*unk to play? i have observed this quite a few times at clubs, especially amongst women,nothing happening until they are almost mortal.Some might say it is dutch courage,but to my mind if you need a drink to play,you should really consider whether swinging is for you. D*unkenness is also very unsexy.What do others think?" Totally agree! Besides being counter productive in the erection stakes, smelling like a pub carpet is very unattractive for either sex and after using the loos at chams after someone's up chucked is delightful not! Plus if you need to be ask the q why? | |||
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"............ That is very true,i do think clubs should try to police this more.But even worse to my mind are the couples where the male is plying his partner with drink! " You see quite a bit of this on the dogging scene. The 'wife' will be happily swallowing away from a bottle of 'diet ' but, as the blether progresses, it becomes increasing obvious that the contents are probably more vodka than . That's the time to make your excuses and leave. | |||
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"............ That is very true,i do think clubs should try to police this more.But even worse to my mind are the couples where the male is plying his partner with drink! You see quite a bit of this on the dogging scene. The 'wife' will be happily swallowing away from a bottle of 'diet ' but, as the blether progresses, it becomes increasing obvious that the contents are probably more vodka than . That's the time to make your excuses and leave." ohhh you know about dogging! | |||
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"If folk need to be d*unk to swing then they've chosen the wrong hobby. The two just don't fit comfortably together. XXXX" I'm going to disagree to some extent because I'm assuming that when everyone is talking about drinking and swinging they are picturing someone arseholed. People can drink and keep it in moderation. Whats wrong with that? Your still capable of making decisions and enforcing them! Yes someone who's bladdered isn't attractive and being in that state doesn't go with swinging. I agree with that completely for reason's I've already mentioned. But I don't see anything wrong with a couple of "sociables" | |||
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"sometimes I like to just get fucked, if I make an arse of myself thats that, iknowtheres other times where I wont and know theres other times where I will.And never been chucked out a club or party for gettin too pished...altho sometimes I surprise myself and discover ive shagged more than i thot lol" See I'd dissagree with that. Each to their own but if I wanted to just get pissed I'd go out on the piss. Having been to several clubs when I was part of a couple I don't think I'd be to impressed with someone who was bladdered slobbering all over the missus. Bearing in mind that no matter how smooth you think your being when your bladdered you really are just slobbering!!! | |||
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"And have to admit that a few bacardis and s makes me even randier... dont know why as its only that drink that does it. ? " Because it loosens you up. Not that you could get much looser from looking at your profile you filthy mare lol | |||
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"And have to admit that a few bacardis and s makes me even randier... dont know why as its only that drink that does it. ? Because it loosens you up. Not that you could get much looser from looking at your profile you filthy mare lol " pmsl | |||
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"sometimes I like to just get fucked, if I make an arse of myself thats that, iknowtheres other times where I wont and know theres other times where I will.And never been chucked out a club or party for gettin too pished...altho sometimes I surprise myself and discover ive shagged more than i thot lol See I'd dissagree with that. Each to their own but if I wanted to just get pissed I'd go out on the piss. Having been to several clubs when I was part of a couple I don't think I'd be to impressed with someone who was bladdered slobbering all over the missus. Bearing in mind that no matter how smooth you think your being when your bladdered you really are just slobbering!!! " aye but we expect some slabberin in scotland, cheers for yer input tho lol | |||
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" aye but we expect some slabberin in scotland, cheers for yer input tho lol" PMSL well if anyone can get away with it it's the jocks lol. Can't fault you for your banter | |||
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" aye but we expect some slabberin in scotland, cheers for yer input tho lol PMSL well if anyone can get away with it it's the jocks lol. Can't fault you for your banter " well geez yer ex partners number, i'll shag her while i swallow a bucket of buckfast!!! | |||
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" aye but we expect some slabberin in scotland, cheers for yer input tho lol PMSL well if anyone can get away with it it's the jocks lol. Can't fault you for your banter well geez yer ex partners number, i'll shag her while i swallow a bucket of buckfast!!!" PMSL You've probably already been there Come to mention it there was a couple of empty buckfast bottles in the recycling not so long back | |||
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" aye but we expect some slabberin in scotland, cheers for yer input tho lol PMSL well if anyone can get away with it it's the jocks lol. Can't fault you for your banter well geez yer ex partners number, i'll shag her while i swallow a bucket of buckfast!!! PMSL You've probably already been there Come to mention it there was a couple of empty buckfast bottles in the recycling not so long back " perfectly acceptable as cheap alternatives of sex toys! hehehe | |||
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"most people drink heavy when depressed about something. often it shows at parties when they feel they are not getting enough attention. its always sad to see a nice looking woman in bits because shes unhappy. the drink just makes it worse. i dont drink myself as i have a family member who has been a hard drinker for years and ruined her life and others from it. drinking socially is fine but it seems far to many go passed this and it does become ugly. sad. " Not sure I agree with you about the aetiology of heavy drinking - it seems to me depression is as often an after effect of problem drinking as the cause. However, I do think heavy drinking and good sex are rarely compatible. Since risk and edginess are pretty much central to what I do being sober enough to assess risk and having good co-ordination are pretty much essential for me. It's also nice to go for a pint without sexual tension ruining the occasion - although the mix can be fun within limits... | |||
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"If folk need to be d*unk to swing then they've chosen the wrong hobby. The two just don't fit comfortably together. XXXX I'm going to disagree to some extent because I'm assuming that when everyone is talking about drinking and swinging they are picturing someone arseholed. People can drink and keep it in moderation. Whats wrong with that? Your still capable of making decisions and enforcing them! Yes someone who's bladdered isn't attractive and being in that state doesn't go with swinging. I agree with that completely for reason's I've already mentioned. But I don't see anything wrong with a couple of "sociables" " Me neither,but i have yet to go to a club where there isnt some woman who is totally pissed and playing.The domestics between couples i have witnessed have always involved the man being d*unk too. It would be fine if everyone knew there limits,but since they don't i am just floating the idea that a teetotal night might be a good idea. | |||
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"most people drink heavy when depressed about something. often it shows at parties when they feel they are not getting enough attention. its always sad to see a nice looking woman in bits because shes unhappy. the drink just makes it worse. i dont drink myself as i have a family member who has been a hard drinker for years and ruined her life and others from it. drinking socially is fine but it seems far to many go passed this and it does become ugly. sad. Not sure I agree with you about the aetiology of heavy drinking - it seems to me depression is as often an after effect of problem drinking as the cause. However, I do think heavy drinking and good sex are rarely compatible. Since risk and edginess are pretty much central to what I do being sober enough to assess risk and having good co-ordination are pretty much essential for me. It's also nice to go for a pint without sexual tension ruining the occasion - although the mix can be fun within limits..." Oh the mix can be excellent | |||
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"most people drink heavy when depressed about something. often it shows at parties when they feel they are not getting enough attention. its always sad to see a nice looking woman in bits because shes unhappy. the drink just makes it worse. i dont drink myself as i have a family member who has been a hard drinker for years and ruined her life and others from it. drinking socially is fine but it seems far to many go passed this and it does become ugly. sad. Not sure I agree with you about the aetiology of heavy drinking - it seems to me depression is as often an after effect of problem drinking as the cause. However, I do think heavy drinking and good sex are rarely compatible. Since risk and edginess are pretty much central to what I do being sober enough to assess risk and having good co-ordination are pretty much essential for me. It's also nice to go for a pint without sexual tension ruining the occasion - although the mix can be fun within limits... Oh the mix can be excellent " So long as you can find the train home and I don't bump into my boss, lol... | |||
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"most people drink heavy when depressed about something. often it shows at parties when they feel they are not getting enough attention. its always sad to see a nice looking woman in bits because shes unhappy. the drink just makes it worse. i dont drink myself as i have a family member who has been a hard drinker for years and ruined her life and others from it. drinking socially is fine but it seems far to many go passed this and it does become ugly. sad. Not sure I agree with you about the aetiology of heavy drinking - it seems to me depression is as often an after effect of problem drinking as the cause. However, I do think heavy drinking and good sex are rarely compatible. Since risk and edginess are pretty much central to what I do being sober enough to assess risk and having good co-ordination are pretty much essential for me. It's also nice to go for a pint without sexual tension ruining the occasion - although the mix can be fun within limits... Oh the mix can be excellent So long as you can find the train home and I don't bump into my boss, lol..." i think he liked me! | |||
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"tl:dr replies. I prefer to be d*unk due to courage and body issues. Sue me." i wont sue you , i dont know you, if i did i would want to have a very serious chat about swinging tho. | |||
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"Patronising much? I don't get absolutely hammered, I just like a few drinks. Each to his own. " That's not the same thing as "I prefer to be d*unk". | |||
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"Patronising much? I don't get absolutely hammered, I just like a few drinks. Each to his own. " A few drinks isnt what you said,you admitted to body issues,needing courage and getting d*unk. i wasn't patronising,just trying to avoid giving a personal view of why i don't think that is a good thing. But hey ,if you want to get into it,feel free. | |||
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"Ok, let me rephrase then "I like to have a few drinks in order to lose my inhibitions." " Again, i would say , if you need to drink to loose them , think seriously about whether swinging is for you. i wud be pissed a lot of lunchtimes | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no." i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent? | |||
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" i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent?" Thats a valid point you have raised, and in our eyes its tantamount to it but you see it happening on weekend nights all over. I guess we have too many principles but thats just us. I certainly wouldnt want it playing on my mind thats for sure | |||
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"I don't think I need to question whether it's for me at all. As someone who is new to this and with limited experience, obviously I am going to be lacking in confidence to start with. Such is my choice. Like I said, to each his own." Ps not to be corny, but you look fabulous, don't know if it helps with the body issues. But thought it was worth mentioning. | |||
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"I don't think I need to question whether it's for me at all. As someone who is new to this and with limited experience, obviously I am going to be lacking in confidence to start with. Such is my choice. Like I said, to each his own. Ps not to be corny, but you look fabulous, don't know if it helps with the body issues. But thought it was worth mentioning. " Thank you, thats really cheered my day up =) | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no." "i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape." Rape is such a difficult charge to prove it's almost impossible to say if any given set of circumstances would lead the CPS/ Crown Office to pursue a case. " Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent? " Absolutely not. A woman (or a guy) has the absolute right to withold consent to sex at any time. Simply being in a location which is regularly used by people for sexual activity takes away that right. | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no. i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Rape is such a difficult charge to prove it's almost impossible to say if any given set of circumstances would lead the CPS/ Crown Office to pursue a case. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent? Absolutely not. A woman (or a guy) has the absolute right to withold consent to sex at any time. Simply being in a location which is regularly used by people for sexual activity takes away that right." This is what i was thinking, when the law recently changed i thought it meant you had to have a positive giving of consent,therefore if a woman was very d*unk at a club she could not consent. | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no. i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Rape is such a difficult charge to prove it's almost impossible to say if any given set of circumstances would lead the CPS/ Crown Office to pursue a case. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent? Absolutely not. A woman (or a guy) has the absolute right to withold consent to sex at any time. Simply being in a location which is regularly used by people for sexual activity takes away that right. This is what i was thinking, when the law recently changed i thought it meant you had to have a positive giving of consent,therefore if a woman was very d*unk at a club she could not consent." As with all things, it's never that clear cut. Too be honest we have never given positive consent at a swingers club. It's mostly been approaching someone in a club or being approached. Some body contact and slow progression from there. We've never actually discussed it. So technically we never verbalise positive consent, but we are concious and aware. If someone was so d*unk they could not move then that would be the same as fucking a sleeping person who can't give consent. But if they are simply making bad choices whilst d*unk, that does not mean rape. Just like committing murder or assualt when d*unk does not absolve you of those choices. Committing to sex when d*unk does not suddenly make everyone you choice to play with rapists. It's all a fine line, but I would imagine that a swingers club would be a difficult place to be raped with so many onlookers and witnesses. There is a difference between making poor choices and not having a choice. | |||
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"Ok, let me rephrase then "I like to have a few drinks in order to lose my inhibitions." " I am really really glad you changed the statement from the 1st one you made... it sent so many alarm bells ringing... its not often i use but in this case i think it would be justified. nobody is saying that alcohol in moderation isn't bad... but if you have to use alcohol to the point where it is a crutch in your swinging, then yes I would be worried....... so I can absolutely see where jemima and others are coming from... I use to drink in clubs... then someone was so bad in a club it really shocked me into not drinking as I saw others reactions to that and swore I would never put myself in that position.... | |||
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"I won't play with people who need to drink to play or are on their way to being pissed. I am amazed by the number of guys who will shag a pissed-up woman.... especially after the number of court cases which have questioned ability to give consent whilst intoxicated. It is now part of case law… if she’s shit-faced, you cannot assume or even accept co-operation as being given consent…. she is deemed incapable of the rational thought required for giving consent. " The challenge in rape cases isn't usually about whether intercourse took place (so long as the woman doesn't wait too long before reporting the matter) and it isn't usually about who the identity of the alleged rapist. The issue of consent is regularly at the heart of the matter and it all too often comes down to her word against his. Since there's usually only two people present it's difficult to prove the matter either way, unless there's strong evidence of violence having being used to subdue the victim. In a situation where there's a witness prepared to say "Yes, I was there and the woman was too d*unk to give her consent" the court might reasonably ask 'why didn't you do anything to stop it then?'. In Scotland I believe only about 4% of rapes reported lead to a conviction. | |||
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"If folk need to be d*unk to swing then they've chosen the wrong hobby. The two just don't fit comfortably together. XXXX I'm going to disagree to some extent because I'm assuming that when everyone is talking about drinking and swinging they are picturing someone arseholed. People can drink and keep it in moderation. Whats wrong with that? Your still capable of making decisions and enforcing them! Yes someone who's bladdered isn't attractive and being in that state doesn't go with swinging. I agree with that completely for reason's I've already mentioned. But I don't see anything wrong with a couple of "sociables" " Yes naturally there's nothing wrong with a couple of social drinks, most people, us included, do that. What the O.P and ourselves are referring to are those who feel the need to get legless. We've been to swingers house parties which resembled a rugby club outing, with nobody wanting to move more than two paces from the booze in the kitchen. They'e had to actually be reminded that its meant to be a swinging party! XXXX | |||
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"I don't think I need to question whether it's for me at all. As someone who is new to this and with limited experience, obviously I am going to be lacking in confidence to start with. Such is my choice. Like I said, to each his own." people are so bloody judgemental on here! so what if some people like a drink! just let em get on with it, like the girl said each to there own! .........im not lacking in confidence I just enjoy drinking and having a laugh, Its just about knowing your limits, and when to stop | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no. i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent?" First question; can intoxication void consent if a reasonable man would have known that the woman was unable to form the necessary agreement? Yes. Second question; would presence at the club entitle a man to presume consent? There was a truly horrible case at Preston a while back about a woman with gangbang fantasies who was raped by a group of men. No precedent was established because the CPS withdrew when the defence ambushed them with MSN records of chats where the woman discussed gangbang fantasies. Presence at a club, especially where there are private as well as public facilities, would not seem, to me, to reduce the duty on the man to make sure the woman can and does consent, but I'll bet a lot of crown prosecutors would run a mile from such a case. | |||
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", Its just about knowing your limits, and when to stop " that is the key... and obviously you haven't read a lot of the above because a lot of people seem to have encountered people who don't know there limits and don't know when to stop!!!! I have seen people so d*unk they have crashed down stairs... I have seen people so d*unk they have passed out... I have seen people so d*unk they have turned violent... I have seen people so d*unk they have violently been sick and ambulances have been called... I have seen people so d*unk they have not known where they are.... | |||
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"I don't think I need to question whether it's for me at all. As someone who is new to this and with limited experience, obviously I am going to be lacking in confidence to start with. Such is my choice. Like I said, to each his own. people are so bloody judgemental on here! so what if some people like a drink! just let em get on with it, like the girl said each to there own! .........im not lacking in confidence I just enjoy drinking and having a laugh, Its just about knowing your limits, and when to stop " That's just it, most of us like a drink but know our limits and when to stop. It's the ones who go to a swinging meet, party or club who enjoy drinking to excess that are the problem. What they call "having a laugh" is most often a pain in the arse and the downer of the night for all those around them. XXXX | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no. i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent? First question; can intoxication void consent if a reasonable man would have known that the woman was unable to form the necessary agreement? Yes. Second question; would presence at the club entitle a man to presume consent? There was a truly horrible case at Preston a while back about a woman with gangbang fantasies who was raped by a group of men. No precedent was established because the CPS withdrew when the defence ambushed them with MSN records of chats where the woman discussed gangbang fantasies. Presence at a club, especially where there are private as well as public facilities, would not seem, to me, to reduce the duty on the man to make sure the woman can and does consent, but I'll bet a lot of crown prosecutors would run a mile from such a case." Your last point i am afraid i have to agree with. Whilst a womans sexual behavior is not meant to be brought up in court i could imagine what would happen should a woman try to bring forward a case of rape in a club. | |||
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"I don't think I need to question whether it's for me at all. As someone who is new to this and with limited experience, obviously I am going to be lacking in confidence to start with. Such is my choice. Like I said, to each his own. people are so bloody judgemental on here! so what if some people like a drink! just let em get on with it, like the girl said each to there own! .........im not lacking in confidence I just enjoy drinking and having a laugh, Its just about knowing your limits, and when to stop That's just it, most of us like a drink but know our limits and when to stop. It's the ones who go to a swinging meet, party or club who enjoy drinking to excess that are the problem. What they call "having a laugh" is most often a pain in the arse and the downer of the night for all those around them. XXXX" I agree that people who drink to excess are a pain in the arse lol iv only been to parties so far, are clubs much different? I will check some out, anyone recomend some decent clubs in london for single males? and is it just full of cock? are the girls few and far between? | |||
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"I saw a bloke in a club recently who was pissed, he was a bit of a pain and being a bit creepy with some of the ladies and he poked his head in the couples room a couple of times and was told to clear off. He was asked to leave by the manager after a couple of complaints. The manager told me he won't be allowed in again - so fair play to the club and the manager for that. What amazed me was how he thought he stood a chance in a swingers club? He stank of BO and booze and was being quite creepy and pushy. " AYE _nvictus sounds like one of those "a guy I knew" stories...come clean n be honest, twas yersel lol | |||
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"I saw a bloke in a club recently who was pissed, he was a bit of a pain and being a bit creepy with some of the ladies and he poked his head in the couples room a couple of times and was told to clear off. He was asked to leave by the manager after a couple of complaints. The manager told me he won't be allowed in again - so fair play to the club and the manager for that. What amazed me was how he thought he stood a chance in a swingers club? He stank of BO and booze and was being quite creepy and pushy. AYE _nvictus sounds like one of those "a guy I knew" stories...come clean n be honest, twas yersel lol" I'd only had two Babychams as well... | |||
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"Following on from the poppers thread,what do people think of those who seemingly have to be d*unk to play? i have observed this quite a few times at clubs, especially amongst women,nothing happening until they are almost mortal.Some might say it is dutch courage,but to my mind if you need a drink to play,you should really consider whether swinging is for you. D*unkenness is also very unsexy.What do others think?" Very very unsexy..yuk ! | |||
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"As far as we go, i never drink as i always drive..or if i do its always one. Liz may have a couple as she would do socially but not to the point where she is intoxicated or uses it to the point to have to do things. For us playing with someone who is d*unk is a no-no and we have watched peoples attitude change over the time as well..from perfectly nice when they are sober to downright horrible/offensive people after hitting the bottle. We had arranged to meet a single woman several times at a local club, but unfortunately the spirit (1/2 bottle of brandy) got the better of her and we respectfully declined, however were surprised to see some guys lined up waiting. To us its too much like taking advantage. If they dont know what they are doing or could potentially regret it due to drink then its a no-no. i wonder if there are any legal experts (coughs Sir) who know if it would count as rape. Would entry to the club mean a man could presume consent? First question; can intoxication void consent if a reasonable man would have known that the woman was unable to form the necessary agreement? Yes. Second question; would presence at the club entitle a man to presume consent? There was a truly horrible case at Preston a while back about a woman with gangbang fantasies who was raped by a group of men. No precedent was established because the CPS withdrew when the defence ambushed them with MSN records of chats where the woman discussed gangbang fantasies. Presence at a club, especially where there are private as well as public facilities, would not seem, to me, to reduce the duty on the man to make sure the woman can and does consent, but I'll bet a lot of crown prosecutors would run a mile from such a case. Your last point i am afraid i have to agree with. Whilst a womans sexual behavior is not meant to be brought up in court i could imagine what would happen should a woman try to bring forward a case of rape in a club." hmmm interesting...i thought that rape is rape and no means no..no matter what the situation..thats the rules that i know...the lady can change her mind whenever she chooses... | |||
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"I don't think I need to question whether it's for me at all. As someone who is new to this and with limited experience, obviously I am going to be lacking in confidence to start with. Such is my choice. Like I said, to each his own. people are so bloody judgemental on here! so what if some people like a drink! just let em get on with it, like the girl said each to there own! .........im not lacking in confidence I just enjoy drinking and having a laugh, Its just about knowing your limits, and when to stop " point being some don't and they're the ones who spoil it... | |||
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"Following on from the poppers thread,what do people think of those who seemingly have to be d*unk to play? i have observed this quite a few times at clubs, especially amongst women,nothing happening until they are almost mortal.Some might say it is dutch courage,but to my mind if you need a drink to play,you should really consider whether swinging is for you. D*unkenness is also very unsexy.What do others think?" women are the worst offenders. seen loads paralytic in clubs .. well known clubs at that | |||
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", Its just about knowing your limits, and when to stop that is the key... and obviously you haven't read a lot of the above because a lot of people seem to have encountered people who don't know there limits and don't know when to stop!!!! I have seen people so d*unk they have crashed down stairs... I have seen people so d*unk they have passed out... I have seen people so d*unk they have turned violent... I have seen people so d*unk they have violently been sick and ambulances have been called... I have seen people so d*unk they have not known where they are...." Ahhhhh the good old days of being a teenager lol | |||
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"Following on from the poppers thread,what do people think of those who seemingly have to be d*unk to play? i have observed this quite a few times at clubs, especially amongst women,nothing happening until they are almost mortal.Some might say it is dutch courage,but to my mind if you need a drink to play,you should really consider whether swinging is for you. D*unkenness is also very unsexy.What do others think?" have you tried an Alcholohlics Anon meet. I hear there are lots of tee totallers there and no alchohol allowed. not sure if theres much fun there though. try the yellow pages for your local meet lol | |||
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"I find d*unkenness in anyone unattractive though do partake of it myself on occassions as it can be good fun. Would never do so if I was planning a rendezvous though and I would agree withprevious posters that it puts women at high risk due to lack of control, judgement, etc. And for myself I always think back th the Bards observations on alcohol "Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire buut it takes away the performance: therefore, much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him; makes him stand to; and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep, and, giving him the lie, leaves him." Wise words Will!" That should be enshrined on the door of all clubs! *bows to the well spoken gent* | |||
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"I find d*unkenness in anyone unattractive though do partake of it myself on occassions as it can be good fun. Would never do so if I was planning a rendezvous though and I would agree withprevious posters that it puts women at high risk due to lack of control, judgement, etc. And for myself I always think back th the Bards observations on alcohol "Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire buut it takes away the performance: therefore, much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him; makes him stand to; and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep, and, giving him the lie, leaves him." Wise words Will! That should be enshrined on the door of all clubs! *bows to the well spoken gent*" Thank you he does seem to have the answer to most things if you poke about enough | |||
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"I find d*unkenness in anyone unattractive though do partake of it myself on occassions as it can be good fun. Would never do so if I was planning a rendezvous though and I would agree withprevious posters that it puts women at high risk due to lack of control, judgement, etc. And for myself I always think back th the Bards observations on alcohol "Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire buut it takes away the performance: therefore, much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him; makes him stand to; and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep, and, giving him the lie, leaves him." Wise words Will! That should be enshrined on the door of all clubs! *bows to the well spoken gent* Thank you he does seem to have the answer to most things if you poke about enough " i find poking about enough is the answer to most things too! | |||
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"I find d*unkenness in anyone unattractive though do partake of it myself on occassions as it can be good fun. Would never do so if I was planning a rendezvous though and I would agree withprevious posters that it puts women at high risk due to lack of control, judgement, etc. And for myself I always think back th the Bards observations on alcohol "Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire buut it takes away the performance: therefore, much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him; makes him stand to; and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep, and, giving him the lie, leaves him." Wise words Will! That should be enshrined on the door of all clubs! *bows to the well spoken gent* Thank you he does seem to have the answer to most things if you poke about enough i find poking about enough is the answer to most things too! " Yes poke about deep enough and long enough and eventually the solution will come | |||
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"I always drink at the socials and always get pissed. wtf do i care....do i fuck" I like u lets have fun ehhehehehehehe x | |||
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"I always drink at the socials and always get pissed. wtf do i care....do i fuck I like u lets have fun ehhehehehehehe x" have fun up me arse, just make sure you dont make me spill me drink | |||
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"I always drink at the socials and always get pissed. wtf do i care....do i fuck I like u lets have fun ehhehehehehehe x have fun up me arse, just make sure you dont make me spill me drink " hehheheheheheheh never....i'll be drinkin too....we should get those babycups lol x | |||
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"I always drink at the socials and always get pissed. wtf do i care....do i fuck I like u lets have fun ehhehehehehehe x have fun up me arse, just make sure you dont make me spill me drink hehheheheheheheh never....i'll be drinkin too....we should get those babycups lol x" Now Paddy wtf are babycups??? | |||
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"I always drink at the socials and always get pissed. wtf do i care....do i fuck I like u lets have fun ehhehehehehehe x have fun up me arse, just make sure you dont make me spill me drink hehheheheheheheh never....i'll be drinkin too....we should get those babycups lol x Now Paddy wtf are babycups???" the wee cups that have a lid and a wee spout lolol x | |||
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"Hi all, We're new to the site and the scene, so our next stop will probably be the introductions page! However after waiting a week before posting on this thread owing to site rules, just thought we'd share our experience on this topic so far. So, our first meet in a club, really nervous, and we both like a drink. Like most clubs, this one was bring your own beer - so, first dillema - how much to take? Not enough and that can kill a moment, too much and run the risk of drinking too much as your nerves get the better of you - or worse, you having such a good time you dont realise how much you are drinking. We made a complete mess of it. We started off necking a few back to try and just relax, and then ended up having such a great time, didn't realise how much we were drinking. Ironically the copule we met had said before hand, even if you liek a drink you dont need or find you want much anyway....I wish we'd listened... We didn't do anything we didn't want to and dont think we could have had a better first experience - apart from the drink... So hands up, we got it wrong and made a mistake. We agree, its not pretty and really doesnt' make the experience better, infact the opposite. We were just lucky we got away with it. We went again a week later, and took half the amount - had a great time and said next time we'll take less. I think, personally, we'll always take a drink, even just a few as we both like the relaxing effect a couple can have and think being relaxed is key, but everything in moderation.... and think there really is a happy medium. Looking aroudn the club Saturday night, I didn't see anyone who was "d*unk" although there were lots of smiles - which is all good by us!. Thanks D&K" Thank you for your very honest post.i think many make the same mistake on their first club visit,the trick is to learn from our mistakes. | |||
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"Nope i dont mix drink with playing. I know lots do just to relax. But for me i like to know exactly whats going on. Thats my kick!...." When I was younger late teens early twenties I thought that the only way to have a good time and a laugh was to have a few beers. I still like to have a drink with my vanilla friends when we go out or stay in but i think experience has taught me that the best sex is sober and the best rush is caused by the adrenalin of a new meet.. Thats not to say that repeat visits aren't special and the experience increases in time but for mr sober and clear headed is always best and especially if you're driving! lol | |||
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"Everything I do with drink I would do sober. Every Social or Club I have been to the majority drink. I believe most people at the Red Blue & White which the OP attended all had a fantastic time with many people participating with drink. Perhaps it is when too much drinking reaches the vomit stage that it is too much " I am not going to knock people for drinking.. I am one of these weird people where i won't drink at a club, but will happily drink at socials... (never been to a social in a club yet so not sure where my brain will be at with that one) but it is just drinking in moderation that is the key..... if it gets to the point where you are "humming"... that is too many, that is going to be different points for different people.... judgements, judgements, judgements... | |||
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"Nope i dont mix drink with playing. I know lots do just to relax. But for me i like to know exactly whats going on. Thats my kick!.... When I was younger late teens early twenties I thought that the only way to have a good time and a laugh was to have a few beers. I still like to have a drink with my vanilla friends when we go out or stay in but i think experience has taught me that the best sex is sober and the best rush is caused by the adrenalin of a new meet.. Thats not to say that repeat visits aren't special and the experience increases in time but for mr sober and clear headed is always best and especially if you're driving! lol " +1 I only ever do sober sex and do not have sex with partners who are stinking of drink | |||
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"Nope i dont mix drink with playing. I know lots do just to relax. But for me i like to know exactly whats going on. Thats my kick!.... When I was younger late teens early twenties I thought that the only way to have a good time and a laugh was to have a few beers. I still like to have a drink with my vanilla friends when we go out or stay in but i think experience has taught me that the best sex is sober and the best rush is caused by the adrenalin of a new meet.. Thats not to say that repeat visits aren't special and the experience increases in time but for mr sober and clear headed is always best and especially if you're driving! lol +1 I only ever do sober sex and do not have sex with partners who are stinking of drink" What if they ate a packet of polo mints first lol | |||
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"I only drink when swinging, not because I need it to swing, but simply as its offten the only place I can relax enough to let go and enjoy a drink. So umm i guess technicaly i swing to drink (though realy im just horny and the two mix well for me) if people don't like us being a tad pissed, then meh dont invite us to play, were more than happy to go to a party/club and only play with eachother anmyway " Exactly hun. Horses for courses, each to their own. If I have had a drink and peops dont like it, I dont think I would particularly care. Jog on, next victim | |||
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