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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area

Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just spin the russian roulette wheel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad.

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By *o-jCouple
over a year ago

Outskirts of Notts


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad. "

Done to death and back again .

Jo x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yawn yawn.

Some people love it. Some people don't.

Some are happy to take risks. Others are not.

Why do people always bother about what everyone else is doing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bareback welcome

I'm clean !!!

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By *isdirtygirlCouple
over a year ago

somewhere out there

Whiteknighting?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yawn yawn.

Some people love it. Some people don't.

Some are happy to take risks. Others are not.

Why do people always bother about what everyone else is doing? "

Fuck knows , maybe they think it makes them look good by preaching the moral high ground ?

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By *ittletonCplCouple
over a year ago

cannock

Obviously depends on who with surely ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

Why do you care what someone else does if you look after your own sexual health. Leave them to it.

Simples. Check the 50000 other bareback threads there have been. They all regurgitate the same stuff.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't know if unprotected penetrative sex is on the rise but I welcome open and honest information from people who choose to bareback because I'm all for informed choice.

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area

Am I preaching? No.

Do I understand it? No.

Am I allowed an opinion? Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Possibly you get backs up by calling it madness. You don't know what lengths people who bareback go to to protect themselves. Some just play roulette, others are extremely choosy and only meet certified STI free people.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Am I preaching? No.

Do I understand it? No.

Am I allowed an opinion? Yes."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think you need to know who your barebacking with. Pays to be cautious.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Think you need to know who your barebacking with. Pays to be cautious."

Yes that might help.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I did bareback once. Almost died twice but lived to tell the tale. She was absolutely wild and bucked me off over a hedge. Covered in thorns. Stuck to motorbikes after that. Much safer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Awesome to see the obligatory Russian Roulette comparison so early in the thread. Are there any more cliches we can wheel out for the 2 members who haven't seen 100 bareback threads in the last month??

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Awesome to see the obligatory Russian Roulette comparison so early in the thread. Are there any more cliches we can wheel out for the 2 members who haven't seen 100 bareback threads in the last month??"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The cliché doesn't change the fact or meaning.

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By *inzi LTV/TS
over a year ago

The Garden of Eden in Beautiful North Wales

Imo: Bareback sex is a very intimate act that should be kept special between two people.

Yes I have and yes I will again but only with the 'special one' everyone else is wrapped up.

I don't condone it but in the same breath I don't dismiss it either. Safe sex is the best sex... along with regular health checks.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there's always been a lot of people fucking bareback on here.

people never used to mention it but now (after people telling the *fab police* to pipe down abut shaming people for having bareback) people feel it's ok to ask for that.

see, not shaming people helps us all. they feel good about enjoying what they do, and know they have the right to enjoy it, and those who don't want to participate can avoid them.

the same will happen for married men who admit to what they're doing. eventually more will admit from the off what they're doing when the *fab police* shut up shaming them for it.

disclaimer: the *fab police* are not a registered trademark, neither do you need to take their opinion seriously as they likely have some kind of disorder where they do not live on our plane and don't understand life or anything to do with it. sheltered springs to mind.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham


"Possibly you get backs up by calling it madness. You don't know what lengths people who bareback go to to protect themselves. Some just play roulette, others are extremely choosy and only meet certified STI free people. "

How can you tell if they are still free, some still won't show for a while. So you think you are with someone clean as it didn't show up on the last visit, when actually you are very much at risk.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Possibly you get backs up by calling it madness. You don't know what lengths people who bareback go to to protect themselves. Some just play roulette, others are extremely choosy and only meet certified STI free people.

How can you tell if they are still free, some still won't show for a while. So you think you are with someone clean as it didn't show up on the last visit, when actually you are very much at risk. "

this is something i had to consider recently, now i'm dating. i'm gonna ask for advice when i go but also the next guy i start dating we will go to the GUM clinic together for a 'date' when the subject of sex is brought up.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I did bareback once. Almost died twice but lived to tell the tale. She was absolutely wild and bucked me off over a hedge. Covered in thorns. Stuck to motorbikes after that. Much safer."

I always use a saddle, the lack of stirrups caused me no end of problems when I tried bare back that said the martingale broke once and I ended up in a thorn bush as well spent the next month with tweezers picking the buggers out

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over a year ago

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area

I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

"

i didn't mean you.

some people you can't talk about certain topics without some people coming and getting al 'moralistic' about that topic.

like acting as if you've no right to do certain things because idk why not, i guess they just like telling people what to do as if they own this site and the rights to swinging in general lol.

no you haven't tried to shame anyone, imo.

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

i didn't mean you.

some people you can't talk about certain topics without some people coming and getting al 'moralistic' about that topic.

like acting as if you've no right to do certain things because idk why not, i guess they just like telling people what to do as if they own this site and the rights to swinging in general lol.

no you haven't tried to shame anyone, imo."

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

It's said quite often but I suppose it bears repeating that condoms aren't 100% effective against all STI and many are transmissible via oral sex or skin to skin contact

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad. "

This

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

"

So is cancer but do people start threads about smokers or car fumes no. What people do is up to them really if people don't want to risk getting stds then stop having sex all together. If you feel that strongly then make sure your wrapped up and and stay away from the bareback profiles and let them carry on playing how they want to play. Each to there own. for people who are meant to be open mind as swingers seem to worry far to much about what others do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bareback welcome

I'm clean !!!

"

How can you be sure the other person is? Even if they say they are clean, I'd want proof. Which you can't get, if you have a test done at the GUM clinic you used to get a letter, now you have to call for the results.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad.

This "

I've never seen any threads on the subject, so I welcome the chance to have a say on it. If others think the subject has been done to death then simply walk away and allow the others to discuss it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad.

This

I've never seen any threads on the subject, so I welcome the chance to have a say on it. If others think the subject has been done to death then simply walk away and allow the others to discuss it. "

Agreed.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad.

This

I've never seen any threads on the subject, so I welcome the chance to have a say on it. If others think the subject has been done to death then simply walk away and allow the others to discuss it. "

Just type bareback in the forum search lmao.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just type bareback in the forum search lmao. "

Why? If it's a long thread it will have been locked. Fresh threads are good.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I always use a saddle, the lack of stirrups caused me no end of problems when I tried bare back that said the martingale broke once......."

You rode bareback with a martingale? Just wondering what you attached the martingale too, since they are useless when riding bareback... Lol (used to love riding bareback)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yawn yawn.

Some people love it. Some people don't.

Some are happy to take risks. Others are not.

Why do people always bother about what everyone else is doing? "

Why bother commenting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I see so many pics of people fucking with no protection.. I get if theyve known the person for a while and get checked, but they look like different people each time. its kind of scary eh!

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By *lwaysup4it69Couple
over a year ago

Kirkby in Ashfield

We openly state bareback only on our profile, we do this so it is clear and upfront, then people can make the own choice about playing with us. We are happy with how we play and enjoy it a lot

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

"

Hmm fact you say

In men from 16 to 25 yes

I'm London yes but only by 10% in both cases and ACTUALLY more tests are being taken to statistics will always rise as a result of the number of tests to results

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

So is cancer but do people start threads about smokers or car fumes no. What people do is up to them really if people don't want to risk getting stds then stop having sex all together. If you feel that strongly then make sure your wrapped up and and stay away from the bareback profiles and let them carry on playing how they want to play. Each to there own. for people who are meant to be open mind as swingers seem to worry far to much about what others do. "

Ot just stay away from them

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Possibly you get backs up by calling it madness. You don't know what lengths people who bareback go to to protect themselves. Some just play roulette, others are extremely choosy and only meet certified STI free people.

How can you tell if they are still free, some still won't show for a while. So you think you are with someone clean as it didn't show up on the last visit, when actually you are very much at risk. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

So is cancer but do people start threads about smokers or car fumes no. What people do is up to them really if people don't want to risk getting stds then stop having sex all together. If you feel that strongly then make sure your wrapped up and and stay away from the bareback profiles and let them carry on playing how they want to play. Each to there own. for people who are meant to be open mind as swingers seem to worry far to much about what others do. "

Well, no, because this is a site predominantly for sex, hence the posts...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bareback welcome

I'm clean !!!

How can you be sure the other person is? Even if they say they are clean, I'd want proof. Which you can't get, if you have a test done at the GUM clinic you used to get a letter, now you have to call for the results. "
you can if you pay for a certificate.. however most clinics i use now only text you if there is a problem... not if you got an all clear.. but the results are only as good as an mot.. if not less so.. as unless you have not had sex for 3 months before your tests.. then they are only saying you were clean.

I do not think bareback is on the rise.. as been in this lifestyle a long time and 15 years ago it was if anything more prolific..

Ive not noticed an increase in those wanting bare... and as it was then.. many preach safer sex but will do bare... many a safe sex only couple or guy have asked after a bit of contact if we would do bare... and then I politely say thanks but not for us

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

So is cancer but do people start threads about smokers or car fumes no. What people do is up to them really if people don't want to risk getting stds then stop having sex all together. If you feel that strongly then make sure your wrapped up and and stay away from the bareback profiles and let them carry on playing how they want to play. Each to there own. for people who are meant to be open mind as swingers seem to worry far to much about what others do.

Well, no, because this is a site predominantly for sex, hence the posts..."

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad.

This

I've never seen any threads on the subject, so I welcome the chance to have a say on it. If others think the subject has been done to death then simply walk away and allow the others to discuss it.

Agreed. "

Agreed. I don't live on fab. And I'm entitled to an opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Depends who with. I have on occasion had a bareback lover, who I know is safe. My experience on the party scene though is that condoms always go without saying. So I haven't noticed it being on the rise.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"....Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?.....

...........Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

its just a coincidence, don't worry about it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Bareback welcome

I'm clean !!!

How can you be sure the other person is? Even if they say they are clean, I'd want proof. Which you can't get, if you have a test done at the GUM clinic you used to get a letter, now you have to call for the results. you can if you pay for a certificate.. however most clinics i use now only text you if there is a problem... not if you got an all clear.. but the results are only as good as an mot.. if not less so.. as unless you have not had sex for 3 months before your tests.. then they are only saying you were clean.

I do not think bareback is on the rise.. as been in this lifestyle a long time and 15 years ago it was if anything more prolific..

Ive not noticed an increase in those wanting bare... and as it was then.. many preach safer sex but will do bare... many a safe sex only couple or guy have asked after a bit of contact if we would do bare... and then I politely say thanks but not for us"

wise words once again

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?"

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it. "

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

personally I think its up to each individual...there is far too much judging going on on this forum..

if you don't like it, that's fair enough, just don't interact with those that do...and don't start a thread on it

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

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By *imetoexplore69Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"
would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

personally I think its up to each individual...there is far too much judging going on on this forum..

if you don't like it, that's fair enough, just don't interact with those that do...and don't start a thread on it "

But surely as it's the forums people can start a thread on whatever they want?

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

And to be fair he did say it was his thought without condemning those that do bb!

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std. "

What would you class as serious damage to health?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!"

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

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By *MaleMan
over a year ago

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By *MaleMan
over a year ago

Same old same old thread from tedious whingeing minds. Join a swingers/sex site and all they do is study others, pass judgement be it on std's, bareback, shaven or not, anal, weight, height etc etc.

Basically whatever they they can find to dig at or be critical of others with they'll use. Anything but a laugh & fun and alien to live & let live.

Hopefully it makes them feel better about themselves whilst knocking others plus their tips on how others should exist

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected. "

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Same old same old thread from tedious whingeing minds. Join a swingers/sex site and all they do is study others, pass judgement be it on std's, bareback, shaven or not, anal, weight, height etc etc.

Basically whatever they they can find to dig at or be critical of others with they'll use. Anything but a laugh & fun and alien to live & let live.

Totally agree and most on here don't want the outside world knowing what they do as the will be judged but then start threads judging others. We all have our likes dislikes and opinions but really do they need to be voiced. That's what having a profile for to put you likes and dislikes. But that said they do make good reading and entertainment for a while lol.

Hopefully it makes them feel better about themselves whilst knocking others plus their tips on how others should exist "

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire


"I haven't shamed anyone.

Std's are on the rise. Fact.

"

Given that the only safe sex is no sex, and STIs are on the rise, are you advocating celibacy as the only true way to prevent STIs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea! "

If some one had hiv I think they would give up swinging and wouldn't be something they would want to share. Maybe start a thread asking the question. But really we're all here for fun and are adults surly everyone knows the risk does it really need countless threats on the same subject isn't that what google is for... information.

It's fab swingers not fab information and judgment services. We go to clubs a lot and if you had people in there starting chats and debates like half these threads the club would soon be shutting down. Yet you get a genuine thread like... I'm a newbie would like some help and information on how you go about meeting or arranging meet it gets no replys or very few. Witch is what I think these forums were designed for.

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over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea! "

Threat started lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whiteknighting?"

What is white knighting? I've seen the term used a lot on here

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne

I openly say I enjoy natural spunky bareback sex. I'm selective, get tested every month and so far am still standing

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Whiteknighting?

What is white knighting? I've seen the term used a lot on here "

I believe 'white knight' is an uncomplimentary name given to single men who say things on a forum that could be construed as trying to impress women. If someone thinks the sentiment expressed by the man is not genuine and only said to make them look good, they might be described as a 'white knight'.

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea!

If some one had hiv I think they would give up swinging and wouldn't be something they would want to share. Maybe start a thread asking the question. But really we're all here for fun and are adults surly everyone knows the risk does it really need countless threats on the same subject isn't that what google is for... information.

It's fab swingers not fab information and judgment services. We go to clubs a lot and if you had people in there starting chats and debates like half these threads the club would soon be shutting down. Yet you get a genuine thread like... I'm a newbie would like some help and information on how you go about meeting or arranging meet it gets no replys or very few. Witch is what I think these forums were designed for. "

I don't know what the forums were designed for ...wasn't there can't comment!

Why do you think someone who contracted hiv would stop swinging? They have nothing to lose!

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

Seriously so many bareback threads some pro some anti, not one horror story?

My initial comment in the thread just made the point that no on had a negative experience... which I find unlikely!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea!

If some one had hiv I think they would give up swinging and wouldn't be something they would want to share. Maybe start a thread asking the question. But really we're all here for fun and are adults surly everyone knows the risk does it really need countless threats on the same subject isn't that what google is for... information.

It's fab swingers not fab information and judgment services. We go to clubs a lot and if you had people in there starting chats and debates like half these threads the club would soon be shutting down. Yet you get a genuine thread like... I'm a newbie would like some help and information on how you go about meeting or arranging meet it gets no replys or very few. Witch is what I think these forums were designed for.

I don't know what the forums were designed for ...wasn't there can't comment!

Why do you think someone who contracted hiv would stop swinging? They have nothing to lose!"

If it's changed there life then why would they carry on?

Maybe they would carry on but I'm sure that there priorities would be getting treated and again if they did they wouldn't be a risk anyway. Also it is against the law to knowingly infect someone with hiv so really think they wouldn't be on here.

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over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!"

There was a guy on here who admited to having genital herpes!

Not sure if he's still on here, but at least he was honest. Poor guy was only in his early twenties and has an incurable STI. Thing is, lots of people carry it and are unaware so pass it on. Unfortunately condoms won't protect you from that one!!!

We all need to be as careful as we can and the only true way of not catching an STI is to abstain or stay with one partner. Surely that's not what swinging is about!!!

Most of the common sti's are easily curable and will leave you with no lasting effects if you are checked regularly.

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

There was a guy on here who admited to having genital herpes!

Not sure if he's still on here, but at least he was honest. Poor guy was only in his early twenties and has an incurable STI. Thing is, lots of people carry it and are unaware so pass it on. Unfortunately condoms won't protect you from that one!!!

We all need to be as careful as we can and the only true way of not catching an STI is to abstain or stay with one partner. Surely that's not what swinging is about!!!

Most of the common sti's are easily curable and will leave you with no lasting effects if you are checked regularly.

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly? "

And I bet the barebackers will be the ones that do and most who think there playing safe don't that often or not at all lol.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

There was a guy on here who admited to having genital herpes!

Not sure if he's still on here, but at least he was honest. Poor guy was only in his early twenties and has an incurable STI. Thing is, lots of people carry it and are unaware so pass it on. Unfortunately condoms won't protect you from that one!!!

We all need to be as careful as we can and the only true way of not catching an STI is to abstain or stay with one partner. Surely that's not what swinging is about!!!

Most of the common sti's are easily curable and will leave you with no lasting effects if you are checked regularly.

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly? "

Yep. Still here.

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std. "

Lets hear it for std's.

Hip hip... anyone.. anyone?

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"Same old same old thread from tedious whingeing minds. Join a swingers/sex site and all they do is study others, pass judgement be it on std's, bareback, shaven or not, anal, weight, height etc etc.

Basically whatever they they can find to dig at or be critical of others with they'll use. Anything but a laugh & fun and alien to live & let live.

Hopefully it makes them feel better about themselves whilst knocking others plus their tips on how others should exist "

Wow. Mock the person who has posted a serious thread. You don't know me, so don't accuse me of being tedious or whingeing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

there will be people with STDs who won't give up swinging at all. it's naive to think so.

some people only care about themselves, some people might even get off on passing on diseases.

the amount of men on here who only want this and that without consideration of the person they're messaging should give you an indication of how many people actually give a fuck about you. some women will be like this also but they don't message me and i have no experience of this.

i've only been asked twice if i'm on the pill by many guys who ask me if i bareback too. most people only give a shit about fucking someone, imo.

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"Whiteknighting?"

Just found out what that means.

Yeah, spot on. That's what I'm doing.

Seriously?

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By *eavenscentitCouple
over a year ago

barnstaple

I love Mr Bare...bloody lovely

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there will be people with STDs who won't give up swinging at all. it's naive to think so.

some people only care about themselves, some people might even get off on passing on diseases.

the amount of men on here who only want this and that without consideration of the person they're messaging should give you an indication of how many people actually give a fuck about you. some women will be like this also but they don't message me and i have no experience of this.

i've only been asked twice if i'm on the pill by many guys who ask me if i bareback too. most people only give a shit about fucking someone, imo."

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

There was a guy on here who admited to having genital herpes!

Not sure if he's still on here, but at least he was honest. Poor guy was only in his early twenties and has an incurable STI. Thing is, lots of people carry it and are unaware so pass it on. Unfortunately condoms won't protect you from that one!!!

We all need to be as careful as we can and the only true way of not catching an STI is to abstain or stay with one partner. Surely that's not what swinging is about!!!

Most of the common sti's are easily curable and will leave you with no lasting effects if you are checked regularly.

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly?

And I bet the barebackers will be the ones that do and most who think there playing safe don't that often or not at all lol.

"

They do present a greater risk!

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By *oojCouple
over a year ago

Exeter


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std. "

You can seriously damage your health if you catch an untreatable std which are becoming more common

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By *oy man 2Man
over a year ago

g


"I did bareback once. Almost died twice but lived to tell the tale. She was absolutely wild and bucked me off over a hedge. Covered in thorns. Stuck to motorbikes after that. Much safer.

I always use a saddle, the lack of stirrups caused me no end of problems when I tried bare back that said the martingale broke once and I ended up in a thorn bush as well spent the next month with tweezers picking the buggers out "
, better with a harley they dont sling you off.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std.

You can seriously damage your health if you catch an untreatable std which are becoming more common"

There are no untreatable stds you mean curable. Hiv and herpes can't be cured but are treatable and the hiv meds also contain the virus so it can't be past on. The USA are saying that Gonorrhea is starting to get stronger against antibiotics over there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Each to their own, personally (male) I don't fancy 'stirring the porridge' with anyone

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea!

If some one had hiv I think they would give up swinging and wouldn't be something they would want to share. Maybe start a thread asking the question. But really we're all here for fun and are adults surly everyone knows the risk does it really need countless threats on the same subject isn't that what google is for... information.

It's fab swingers not fab information and judgment services. We go to clubs a lot and if you had people in there starting chats and debates like half these threads the club would soon be shutting down. Yet you get a genuine thread like... I'm a newbie would like some help and information on how you go about meeting or arranging meet it gets no replys or very few. Witch is what I think these forums were designed for.

I don't know what the forums were designed for ...wasn't there can't comment!

Why do you think someone who contracted hiv would stop swinging? They have nothing to lose!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

One of my closest friends contracted genital herpes. I doubt she'd tell you it's totally fine to sleep with people bareback. Not only is it something she has to tell every sexual partner, but when she has a flare up, it causes her a lot of pain.

I find it really worrying that so many go bareback and use the rationalisation that condoms aren't 100% safe anyway...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of my closest friends contracted genital herpes. I doubt she'd tell you it's totally fine to sleep with people bareback. Not only is it something she has to tell every sexual partner, but when she has a flare up, it causes her a lot of pain.

I find it really worrying that so many go bareback and use the rationalisation that condoms aren't 100% safe anyway..."

Condoms don't protect fully against genital herpes, I should know.

Does your friend have a number btw?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do bare back at your own risk ,just don't complain if you catch somthing nasty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"One of my closest friends contracted genital herpes. I doubt she'd tell you it's totally fine to sleep with people bareback. Not only is it something she has to tell every sexual partner, but when she has a flare up, it causes her a lot of pain.

I find it really worrying that so many go bareback and use the rationalisation that condoms aren't 100% safe anyway...

Condoms don't protect fully against genital herpes, I should know.

Does your friend have a number btw? "

They protect a hell of a lot better than nothing!

Yeah, it's 0800 itchyarse

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By *otgirl32Woman
over a year ago

Ashton Under Lyne


"

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly? "

Every month. They know me by first name. So far all clear.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad. "

it's not for me but each to their own

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As our name and profile states we play bareback and have no shame in doing so. All these people that say it's wrong just answer me do you at a non bareback condom covered meet suck a cock with or without the condom on as if the answer is without it on then there is jut as much risk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've always had safe sex never every done bareback

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area


"One of my closest friends contracted genital herpes. I doubt she'd tell you it's totally fine to sleep with people bareback. Not only is it something she has to tell every sexual partner, but when she has a flare up, it causes her a lot of pain.

I find it really worrying that so many go bareback and use the rationalisation that condoms aren't 100% safe anyway..."

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

I think its not that youre worrying about what others do or being judgemental its the worry that you may have had sex with people who have had sex with others who have had multiple partners who dont use condoms, you arent always going to know their history and who they have been with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

There was a guy on here who admited to having genital herpes!

Not sure if he's still on here, but at least he was honest. Poor guy was only in his early twenties and has an incurable STI. Thing is, lots of people carry it and are unaware so pass it on. Unfortunately condoms won't protect you from that one!!!

We all need to be as careful as we can and the only true way of not catching an STI is to abstain or stay with one partner. Surely that's not what swinging is about!!!

Most of the common sti's are easily curable and will leave you with no lasting effects if you are checked regularly.

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly?

Yep. Still here. "

glad your still about!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As our name and profile states we play bareback and have no shame in doing so. All these people that say it's wrong just answer me do you at a non bareback condom covered meet suck a cock with or without the condom on as if the answer is without it on then there is jut as much risk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
sorry but very wrong there. I have no issue with those that want to bareback but its also my choice to not do so myself despite prefering it in every way.. but its just to much of a risk with this lifestyle for me..

And as someone who used to regularly do group sessions mostly oral and never with a condom its something i checked with the clinic.. and it is significantly less risk having oral without than having penetrative sex without

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think there's a trend for bareback sex, but I'm no expert on the sexual habits of the swinging comunity.

It's totally natural to see profiles wanting bareback sex - That's how some people prefer to play.

Sounds like you're making a sensible decision for your preferences if you don't meet with people who play bareback.

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By *imetoexplore69Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std.

What would you class as serious damage to health? "
death lol.or long lasting irreversible damage both of witch can be solved with regular check ups and if you are unlucky enough to catch something 99.9% a course of antibiotics will sort u out.fcuk a pot noodle is more likely to cause me more concern about damage to my health or second hand smoke for instance.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

Getting tested at the gum clinic is like any other test, its good news if the tests say youre ok but doesnt mean you wont catch something a week later. also same as when you have hiv test it only shows you the results from before three months ago or something. So how many hiv tests would you need to keep having?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

There was a guy on here who admited to having genital herpes!

Not sure if he's still on here, but at least he was honest. Poor guy was only in his early twenties and has an incurable STI. Thing is, lots of people carry it and are unaware so pass it on. Unfortunately condoms won't protect you from that one!!!

We all need to be as careful as we can and the only true way of not catching an STI is to abstain or stay with one partner. Surely that's not what swinging is about!!!

Most of the common sti's are easily curable and will leave you with no lasting effects if you are checked regularly.

I think maybe the question should be... Who honestly goes to the gum clinic regularly?

Yep. Still here.

glad your still about!!! "

Probably not for long

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

would i use a condom on a first meet....most likely,but its funny how alot of people think they are going to seriously damage there health from catching an std.

You can seriously damage your health if you catch an untreatable std which are becoming more common

There are no untreatable stds you mean curable. Hiv and herpes can't be cured but are treatable and the hiv meds also contain the virus so it can't be past on. The USA are saying that Gonorrhea is starting to get stronger against antibiotics over there."

I find the first and final lines of your last paragraph are at odds! I don't know the research, I don't know the facts. But your statements conflict!

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area

A pot noodle? Wow.

I need to re-assess my priorities.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"there's always been a lot of people fucking bareback on here.

people never used to mention it but now (after people telling the *fab police* to pipe down abut shaming people for having bareback) people feel it's ok to ask for that.

see, not shaming people helps us all. they feel good about enjoying what they do, and know they have the right to enjoy it, and those who don't want to participate can avoid them.

the same will happen for married men who admit to what they're doing. eventually more will admit from the off what they're doing when the *fab police* shut up shaming them for it.

disclaimer: the *fab police* are not a registered trademark, neither do you need to take their opinion seriously as they likely have some kind of disorder where they do not live on our plane and don't understand life or anything to do with it. sheltered springs to mind."

I so agree with you. I bareback and come out with it comfortably. Makes it easier for people to make informed decisions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

Is it true that if you never "bare back" you'll never ever die?

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

Use it as a filter and move on.

Having sex with strangers is madness but it's a calculated risk we take. Saddling up and mounting our high horses to ride to moral high ground because fellow deviants take bigger risks than us is akin to Lewis Hamilton telling Jorge Lorenzo to slow down!

Protect yourself as best you can and leave sermons to the God botherers!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"This subject has been done to death, it's up to the individual and not for anyone else to preach their morals at bareback members or call them mad. "

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea!

If some one had hiv I think they would give up swinging and wouldn't be something they would want to share. Maybe start a thread asking the question. But really we're all here for fun and are adults surly everyone knows the risk does it really need countless threats on the same subject isn't that what google is for... information.

It's fab swingers not fab information and judgment services. We go to clubs a lot and if you had people in there starting chats and debates like half these threads the club would soon be shutting down. Yet you get a genuine thread like... I'm a newbie would like some help and information on how you go about meeting or arranging meet it gets no replys or very few. Witch is what I think these forums were designed for.

I don't know what the forums were designed for ...wasn't there can't comment!

Why do you think someone who contracted hiv would stop swinging? They have nothing to lose!

If it's changed there life then why would they carry on?

Maybe they would carry on but I'm sure that there priorities would be getting treated and again if they did they wouldn't be a risk anyway. Also it is against the law to knowingly infect someone with hiv so really think they wouldn't be on here. "

A regular, very popular forumite who did bareback tested positive for hiv a few years ago. He wrote about it in the forums and subsequently run off the site by nasty comments.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

Is it true that if you never "bare back" you'll never ever die? "

maybe not from hiv.

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By *arry247Couple
over a year ago

Wakefield


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

STI are very like pregnancy they can be caught from the first sexual encounter or may never be caught.

Some people can go throughout life having bareback sex and never catch a STI others will catch a STI by a drop of bodily fluid near their mucous tissue without ever having intercourse.

That is what is so dangerous there is no safe practice other than total abstinence.

There are safer practices such as wearing a condom, avoiding anal sex, avoiding high risk partners etc.

In the end we are all adults and as such have to make our own decisions as to what risks are acceptable to us.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Considering as many responses show the subject has been done to death I haven't seen many where someone states what stds they have contracted nor evidence on any profile I've seen so far, beyond the bareback threads, stating stds they have.

Is this because no one has ever had any? No one knows what they have? Or all are unwilling to say?

Do post on your profile every time you have a cold, chest infection, tummy bug, water infection thrush or many more. If someone played bare and got checked out and had a positive result and was treated and clear before meeting again why would they need to post about it.

Absolutely not.... was purely making the point that there are no stories saying yes did bb caught this and that... or moreso... I did bb and caught something that can't be cured so by meeting and doing bb with me you expose yourself to this risk!

That's probably because most of the threads started are by people who are against bareback. The threads that are started by people who bareback are normally asking for other bareback players so all should no the risk. There risk in all playing as most stds can been caught through oral and skin contact as well so does that mean everyone should state they did unprotected oral and might be infected.

No they have no need to state anything and I'm pretty sure I didn't say that or anything close... just that no one ever does .... there are no stories saying yes I did bb caught 'x' it was awful that's why I now don't do it or I used to bb but as I've now contracted an incurable illness I'll offer my situation as a balance to why it may not be a great idea!

If some one had hiv I think they would give up swinging and wouldn't be something they would want to share. Maybe start a thread asking the question. But really we're all here for fun and are adults surly everyone knows the risk does it really need countless threats on the same subject isn't that what google is for... information.

It's fab swingers not fab information and judgment services. We go to clubs a lot and if you had people in there starting chats and debates like half these threads the club would soon be shutting down. Yet you get a genuine thread like... I'm a newbie would like some help and information on how you go about meeting or arranging meet it gets no replys or very few. Witch is what I think these forums were designed for.

I don't know what the forums were designed for ...wasn't there can't comment!

Why do you think someone who contracted hiv would stop swinging? They have nothing to lose!

If it's changed there life then why would they carry on?

Maybe they would carry on but I'm sure that there priorities would be getting treated and again if they did they wouldn't be a risk anyway. Also it is against the law to knowingly infect someone with hiv so really think they wouldn't be on here.

A regular, very popular forumite who did bareback tested positive for hiv a few years ago. He wrote about it in the forums and subsequently run off the site by nasty comments. "

Most people would keep quiet about it if they had hiv though as nobody else would want to meet them, then again some might, only other people who already had it would. Then some people wouldnt care wether they had it or not or if they passed it on to someone else because human beings dont always think logicly.

You hear about it sometimes where someone with hiv passes it on to others deliberatly, they think well if iv got it then why shouldnt someone else get it. But then im sure you already knew this.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

There's only safer sex, if it involves contact between people. Many here who only use condoms will have an infection history.

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By *ill74 OP   Man
over a year ago

New forest area

I tbought as a swingers website, the people on here would be a bit more protective of each other, like a community I guess. Where actually they wanted to protect others as well as themselves, not just at the next meet, but all the ones after as well.

Some comments show that they're not bothered about std's. Shouldn't that concern other members, especially those that bareback.

Am I taking the moral high ground? I'm just surprised at the amount of barebacking, not that people bareback.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"I tbought as a swingers website, the people on here would be a bit more protective of each other, like a community I guess. Where actually they wanted to protect others as well as themselves, not just at the next meet, but all the ones after as well.

Some comments show that they're not bothered about std's. Shouldn't that concern other members, especially those that bareback.

Am I taking the moral high ground? I'm just surprised at the amount of barebacking, not that people bareback.

"

I try and protect myself as best I can, that's all I can do. I therefore do not meet men that bareback or men that post about giving oral to women on their periods.

My first line of selection is the profile. If people are demonised regarding their preferences they will hide it, making it harder to make an informed decision.

Having protected sex with strangers carries some risks. I just don't see the point stating the bleeding obvious to people who choose to make their own decisions.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I tbought as a swingers website, the people on here would be a bit more protective of each other, like a community I guess. Where actually they wanted to protect others as well as themselves, not just at the next meet, but all the ones after as well.

Some comments show that they're not bothered about std's. Shouldn't that concern other members, especially those that bareback.

Am I taking the moral high ground? I'm just surprised at the amount of barebacking, not that people bareback.

"

We think what people do and how they do it is of no concern to anyone else on here unless, of course, you are considering fucking them!

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"I tbought as a swingers website, the people on here would be a bit more protective of each other, like a community I guess. Where actually they wanted to protect others as well as themselves, not just at the next meet, but all the ones after as well.

Some comments show that they're not bothered about std's. Shouldn't that concern other members, especially those that bareback.

Am I taking the moral high ground? I'm just surprised at the amount of barebacking, not that people bareback.

"

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By *imetoexplore69Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"There's only safer sex, if it involves contact between people. Many here who only use condoms will have an infection history. "
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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"There's only safer sex, if it involves contact between people. Many here who only use condoms will have an infection history. "

how do you work that out. you mean if they havnt used them every single time they had sex. i know condoms arent always 100 percent safe but cant imagine that most people who have used them all the time would have got infected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It stands to reason that the more people you have sex with, the higher the risk. But then you could take a chance just the once, with no clue what the person you are chancing with has been up to.

We all have our own opinions and morals (or lack there of) on sex, safe or otherwise. Whatever you do, be careful, if you can't then be lucky!

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"It stands to reason that the more people you have sex with, the higher the risk. But then you could take a chance just the once, with no clue what the person you are chancing with has been up to.

We all have our own opinions and morals (or lack there of) on sex, safe or otherwise. Whatever you do, be careful, if you can't then be lucky!"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A guy I know from the sister site Fab Guys is HIV positive, he knows of quite a few positive guys both gay and bi who regardless of their status (undetectable or not) continue swinging bareback.... some wise words he told me....

Bareback sex lasts a few minutes, HIV is for life

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy I know from the sister site Fab Guys is HIV positive, he knows of quite a few positive guys both gay and bi who regardless of their status (undetectable or not) continue swinging bareback.... some wise words he told me....

Bareback sex lasts a few minutes, HIV is for life"

Exactly why bareback is fucking stupid. I don't care if people say I shouldn't judge. Spreading aids is damn right awful. Cause that's what happens.

I know of a certain gay scene that actively encourage getting it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only safe sex is no sex - so I hope the people on their high horse () about bareback are abstaining completely...?

Didn't think so

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only safe sex is no sex - so I hope the people on their high horse () about bareback are abstaining completely...?

Didn't think so

"

I mean bareback with strangers is stupid. Obviously if you have a partner it's different, or you know the person is more than likely to be clean.

It's quite concerning people are happy to get fucked off a stranger bareback.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Each to their own totally up to each individual but if I see bare back in a profile it would put me off 100'/, best be save

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A guy I know from the sister site Fab Guys is HIV positive, he knows of quite a few positive guys both gay and bi who regardless of their status (undetectable or not) continue swinging bareback.... some wise words he told me....

Bareback sex lasts a few minutes, HIV is for life

Exactly why bareback is fucking stupid. I don't care if people say I shouldn't judge. Spreading aids is damn right awful. Cause that's what happens.

I know of a certain gay scene that actively encourage getting it."

That's right.... and a fair proportion of those guys on the "certain gay scene" are bi and also frequent Fab and other swinging sites

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only safe sex is no sex - so I hope the people on their high horse () about bareback are abstaining completely...?

Didn't think so

"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

As said a thousand times, practice safer sex and it is of no concern to you what others get up to...

bareback sex has and always will take place...for a long time lots of people denied it because of the response people gave them for being honest..slowly as time has gone on the shame factor is not as loud as one or two of us become less judgemental...As I practice safer sex,it is none of my business where and what my lovers have been up to...

I wish fab would put this topic to bed for a while ad let the worried well write to Deidre.

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.


"The only safe sex is no sex - so I hope the people on their high horse () about bareback are abstaining completely...?

Didn't think so

I mean bareback with strangers is stupid. Obviously if you have a partner it's different, or you know the person is more than likely to be clean.

It's quite concerning people are happy to get fucked off a stranger bareback. "

Why should this concern you???

Stranger or regular makes fuck all difference. .It's nothing to do with multiple partners,it is about what you do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Because for every person that contracts a disease it means they have a high chance of infecting someone else. So it just grows and grows.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"Because for every person that contracts a disease it means they have a high chance of infecting someone else. So it just grows and grows."

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By *vgloryholebs16TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

A sense of proportion is required or shall we all get hysterical.

check out facts about smoking/drinking/crossing the road etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"A sense of proportion is required or shall we all get hysterical.

check out facts about smoking/drinking/crossing the road etc."

Fair enough.

On the other hand, I would always advise not crossing the road blindfolded.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't."

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"A sense of proportion is required or shall we all get hysterical.

check out facts about smoking/drinking/crossing the road etc."

I did that once, on the Terrance Higgins Trust Website. The figure of 1 in 6 for Hiv (worst case), always gives me a wry smile when people say it's not like Russian Roulette.

Mr ddc

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"The only safe sex is no sex - so I hope the people on their high horse () about bareback are abstaining completely...?

Didn't think so

I mean bareback with strangers is stupid. Obviously if you have a partner it's different, or you know the person is more than likely to be clean.

It's quite concerning people are happy to get fucked off a stranger bareback. "

Quite concerning people will bareback with those they feel "likely to be clean" yet without any self awareness or irony chastise others for doing the same!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days."

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Quite concerning people will bareback with those they feel "likely to be clean" yet without any self awareness or irony chastise others for doing the same! "

Tbf I bareback with Mrs ddc regularly. This is safe because of the precautions we take when swinging. I fail to see the irony.

But then I wouldn't chastise anyone else so long as it doesn't involve us. The chap who lied about being bisexual was a tad annoying though

{shrugs}

Mr ddc

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Quite concerning people will bareback with those they feel "likely to be clean" yet without any self awareness or irony chastise others for doing the same!

Tbf I bareback with Mrs ddc regularly. This is safe because of the precautions we take when swinging. I fail to see the irony.

But then I wouldn't chastise anyone else so long as it doesn't involve us. The chap who lied about being bisexual was a tad annoying though

{shrugs}

Mr ddc"

If you look you'll see my response was to jjkinks not you.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Quite concerning people will bareback with those they feel "likely to be clean" yet without any self awareness or irony chastise others for doing the same!

Tbf I bareback with Mrs ddc regularly. This is safe because of the precautions we take when swinging. I fail to see the irony.

But then I wouldn't chastise anyone else so long as it doesn't involve us. The chap who lied about being bisexual was a tad annoying though

{shrugs}

Mr ddc

If you look you'll see my response was to jjkinks not you."

I took the term "people" to be wider than, for example, "you". Or a post in the forum to be seeking wider views than, say, a PM.

But I haven't read the whole thread, I'm just waiting for the kettle.

I still think it was a valid point though...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bareback, never, not even with those from our local party scene.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London


"Quite concerning people will bareback with those they feel "likely to be clean" yet without any self awareness or irony chastise others for doing the same!

Tbf I bareback with Mrs ddc regularly. This is safe because of the precautions we take when swinging. I fail to see the irony.

But then I wouldn't chastise anyone else so long as it doesn't involve us. The chap who lied about being bisexual was a tad annoying though

{shrugs}

Mr ddc

If you look you'll see my response was to jjkinks not you.

I took the term "people" to be wider than, for example, "you". Or a post in the forum to be seeking wider views than, say, a PM.

But I haven't read the whole thread, I'm just waiting for the kettle.

I still think it was a valid point though...

"

You removed my post from jjkinks to respond to, so you must have read it, but hey ho.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury


"Just spin the russian roulette wheel "

Not quite, no.

Russian Roulette predicates a one-in-six chance of death whilst playing, based on one bullet in a revolver.

The risk factors involved in unprotected sex are many and varied but are unlikely to result in death.

Chlamydia, for instance, is relatively common. You'd need to have unprotected sex with, on average, 36 partners to contract it. Then take some pills and it goes.

HPV is far more common but jonnies don't protect against it.

About 1 in 1800 people is diagnosed with syphilis in the United States each year. By contrast, you have a 1 in 84 chance of dying in a car accident in your lifetime...

So. On to the 'death sentence' of HIV. Expensive and stressful but assuming you’re not African, you’ll live. National prevalence, average of 1,250 partners (significantly fewer partners if engaging in anal sex).

However, if you at young, gay males in London (who never experienced the AIDS epidemic) the risk of contracting HIV rises to one-in-five, which is worse odds than Russian roulette.

But I don;t suppose many of you play?

Mmm... food for thought - 61% of sexually active youngsters don't use protection with a new partner.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

You removed my post from jjkinks to respond to, so you must have read it, but hey ho."

Nope. I didn't read it. Nor do I know which "camp", if either, you belong to. I didn't think that was relevant to my point.

I trim long posts to make it clear which point I am responding to.

I was responding yours.

Hope that's cleared things up.

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst


"A sense of proportion is required or shall we all get hysterical.

check out facts about smoking/drinking/crossing the road etc.

Fair enough.

On the other hand, I would always advise not crossing the road blindfolded."

Or under the influence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however."

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet..."

Great answer.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet..."

I did not deny that there are all sorts of levels of risk. In fact, it is exactly what I did say.

I am willing to take a certain amount of risk rather than remain celibate.

But you can't logically argue that because I don't use a dental dam, I should nevertheless feel comfortable participating in bareback. That is just plain silly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet...

I did not deny that there are all sorts of levels of risk. In fact, it is exactly what I did say.

I am willing to take a certain amount of risk rather than remain celibate.

But you can't logically argue that because I don't use a dental dam, I should nevertheless feel comfortable participating in bareback. That is just plain silly."

Why?

Who decided the line in the sand and why?

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France


"I did bareback once. Almost died twice but lived to tell the tale. She was absolutely wild and bucked me off over a hedge. Covered in thorns. Stuck to motorbikes after that. Much safer."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Is it just me, or is bareback sex on the rise?

I see profiles and meets where bareback is the only option/expected.

Personally think it's madness. Std's are on the rise and I damn well value my health.

"

I'm glad more people have it on their profiles.

Means those who do can spot each other and those who don't can avoid everyone's happy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet...

I did not deny that there are all sorts of levels of risk. In fact, it is exactly what I did say.

I am willing to take a certain amount of risk rather than remain celibate.

But you can't logically argue that because I don't use a dental dam, I should nevertheless feel comfortable participating in bareback. That is just plain silly.

Why?

Who decided the line in the sand and why?"

Funnily enough, I decided my line in the sand, after researching the risks and potential consequences.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet...

I did not deny that there are all sorts of levels of risk. In fact, it is exactly what I did say.

I am willing to take a certain amount of risk rather than remain celibate.

But you can't logically argue that because I don't use a dental dam, I should nevertheless feel comfortable participating in bareback. That is just plain silly.

Why?

Who decided the line in the sand and why?

Funnily enough, I decided my line in the sand, after researching the risks and potential consequences."

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

"

I may be wrong, but I assumed Joe was advising more protection rather than less. I'm not sure he would be so irresponsible as to encourage people to ignore the current expert medical advice.

That would be like saying "since fewer people are dying of cancer, we should all smoke as much as we like".

I am happy to stand up for your right to behave as you like, but I fail to understand why you aren't able to extend the same concession to others.

Besides I doubt barebacking could be driven so far underground that I wasn't aware that I wasn't wearing a condom...

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet...

I did not deny that there are all sorts of levels of risk. In fact, it is exactly what I did say.

I am willing to take a certain amount of risk rather than remain celibate.

But you can't logically argue that because I don't use a dental dam, I should nevertheless feel comfortable participating in bareback. That is just plain silly.

Why?

Who decided the line in the sand and why?

Funnily enough, I decided my line in the sand, after researching the risks and potential consequences."

I asked why. So you risk HPV but HIV is too far?

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"Funnily enough, I decided my line in the sand, after researching the risks and potential consequences "

(Although we're also limited by the fact that we give blood)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yawn.

Sorry what were you all saying?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"[condom Removed by poster at 27/10/16 16:10:27]"

FFS! not in here...there'll be a bloody lynching!

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"I asked why. So you risk HPV but HIV is too far?"

I'll be honest with you: I don't understand gravity enough to explain it, but I know enough not to walk close to the cliff-edge on a windy day.

Isn't that why we pay medical experts? So they can advise us?

Your turn: why is it so important to you that we change how we choose to swing?

Mr ddc

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

I like the Russian roulette references ... though when you lose at rr you're shot, you can't then go and shoot other people with the same bullet multiple times.... oh and you know you are shot, and anyone coming into contact with you (they me even remark upon it) will know you're shot!

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan

I think there is much debate on this subject, largely taken as vilification of barebackers, because the 'safe' players don't understand the mentality of people who put themselves, as they see it, in a position of such risk. I was active earlier in this thread and was labelled as 'anti' ... I'm not, the choice is yours... or mine... or theirs! Because I remained neutral but discussed points as I see them i was regarded as anti!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yawn yawn.

Some people love it. Some people don't.

Some are happy to take risks. Others are not.

Why do people always bother about what everyone else is doing? "

Love your profile

Betty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I think there is much debate on this subject, largely taken as vilification of barebackers, because the 'safe' players don't understand the mentality of people who put themselves, as they see it, in a position of such risk. I was active earlier in this thread and was labelled as 'anti' ... I'm not, the choice is yours... or mine... or theirs! Because I remained neutral but discussed points as I see them i was regarded as anti!"

It's weird, isn't it? Snap. I was at pains to point out that it was a personal choice of mine not to do bareback because of my assessment of risk and consequences... and the vilification starts.

My body, my assessment, my choice.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet..."

That's no help though because you're assuming because they don't advertise it they don't bareback

Even safer sex proponents should assume that in the swinging scene they're having sex with someone's that's barebacked at some point - I'd imagine the numbers of bareback virgins on here is extremely small

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By *ommenhimCouple
over a year ago

wigan


"I think there is much debate on this subject, largely taken as vilification of barebackers, because the 'safe' players don't understand the mentality of people who put themselves, as they see it, in a position of such risk. I was active earlier in this thread and was labelled as 'anti' ... I'm not, the choice is yours... or mine... or theirs! Because I remained neutral but discussed points as I see them i was regarded as anti!

It's weird, isn't it? Snap. I was at pains to point out that it was a personal choice of mine not to do bareback because of my assessment of risk and consequences... and the vilification starts.

My body, my assessment, my choice."

It does seem a little, with some, that you are not afforded the right to question or discuss bareback... though mostly I see reasoned discussion... albeit largely against bb ... it's important to realise that discussion being anti bb is not necessarily anti you! It's the act and not necessarily the people who choose to perform that act.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I asked why. So you risk HPV but HIV is too far?

I'll be honest with you: I don't understand gravity enough to explain it, but I know enough not to walk close to the cliff-edge on a windy day.

Isn't that why we pay medical experts? So they can advise us?

Your turn: why is it so important to you that we change how we choose to swing?

Mr ddc"

Your turn again : why do you indulge in such self flattery to think that a stranger asking a question (and it wasn't even to you) is somehow wanting you to change anything? I don't know you.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple
over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

Mr ddc

Your turn again : why do you indulge in such self flattery to think that a stranger asking a question (and it wasn't even to you) is somehow wanting you to change anything? I don't know you."

Can't be my turn, you haven't answered mine yet.

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By *uited staffs guyMan
over a year ago

staffordshire

The thing is everyone on here takes a risk - as we know the only safe sex is no sex

There is no psychological difference between the barebackers and those who practice safer sex - both are prepared to accept risk for sexual gratification it's just what level of risk they choose to accept where they differ

Maybe if the 2 camps realised they aren't as far apart as sometimes thought they'd get on better!

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By *oojCouple
over a year ago

Exeter


"

I don't see any people on any high horses.

I do see many people who prefer to limit their chances of a disease, and a few who for some strange reason don't.

We each must be reading a different thread then

Like I said, I hope the anti-bareback brigade are being celibate, because that's the only guarantee of safe sex...

Or, no kissing, dental dams for oral - you know the drill...

People should be left to make their own choices - I'm sure everyone knows the risks these days.

People do make their own choices and I would not have it any other way.

We all take a risk when we indulge in sex. We make the choice that the risk involved in the particular activity is worth the experience.

I assume that people who choose bareback perform a similar risk assessment. That is fine. It woul be silly for them to conclude that bareback sex was as safe as protected sex, however.

Indeed, but as _iamondjoe alludes to, there's lots of different types and levels of risk...

So I suppose you don't worry about catching HPV then, but condoms don't stop that. I hope you don't kiss people without protection (hepatitis, glandular fever); OWO (gonorrhoea etc)...

Worse still, by people talking about bareback in extremely negative terms, you'll send it underground, and you won't know if the person you're meeting likes indulging in bareback on the quiet...

I did not deny that there are all sorts of levels of risk. In fact, it is exactly what I did say.

I am willing to take a certain amount of risk rather than remain celibate.

But you can't logically argue that because I don't use a dental dam, I should nevertheless feel comfortable participating in bareback. That is just plain silly.

Why?

Who decided the line in the sand and why?

Funnily enough, I decided my line in the sand, after researching the risks and potential consequences.

"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The only safe sex is no sex - so I hope the people on their high horse () about bareback are abstaining completely...?

Didn't think so

I mean bareback with strangers is stupid. Obviously if you have a partner it's different, or you know the person is more than likely to be clean.

It's quite concerning people are happy to get fucked off a stranger bareback. "

I think people who routinely fuck complete strangers bareback are far and few between. My husband and I have been to enough swing parties and clubs, and have between us been on the scene for a long time, and we have never seen it. Nor have I ever been asked by someone I don't know to go bare. Condoms always go without saying in our experience. However, the subject of bareback has come up on numerous occasions with a number of partners who we have got to know well. I really don't think the issue is total strangers randomly fucking bareback in a club. The overdone argument on Fab is whether someone will risk going bare with an FB who they feel they know well enough to trust and have a health and safety conversation with. Some people take minimal risk and always use a condom. Others will take less risk and use a condom and also get a sexual history from each partner. Others may take more risk and go bare with someone if they feel they know well. I personally feel it is safer to have bareback with someone you know is safe and has a regular test, that to have protected sex with a complete stranger who doesn't get tested regularly. However, I really don't think routine bareback with strangers is something that really happens much, and I've never seen anyone argue it's case whenever the bareback argument crops up. Those that say they like baresex are not talking about total random strangers. Or that's my interpretation from reading a number of these threads.

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