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"Respect /Trust /communication Safe sane consensual then it's fantastic fun. The other site is great if your interested into going to local munches(Bdsm/kink) related get togethers. Not always to play hope you find out what it is your looking for and have fun exploring OP "Thanks.. it's certainly sparked something in my imagination!! x | |||
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"Screw the roses, give me the thorns is another interesting insightful book and quite easy to find the pdf on. I hope it sates some of your curiosity OP! " Thanks I'll google it.. That sounds good and edgy!! Lol.. x | |||
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"mostly its a journey of self discovery imo. know where you are and what you can offer a sub right now. those things haveto be upheld to create abond of trust so dont go promising things that you cannot do. go to lots of different socials and watch, talk and listen and watch, this will make your self knowledge stronger. read, maybe attend some workshops on how to do the things you are curious about, safely. on your travels ask about the aftercare and responsibility other Doms and Dommes feel towards their subs. ultimately though its a unique dynamic between 2 pewople that needs maintaining and cultivating. Some people just play on the scene, but most want to cultivate the deeper bond its takes to reap its benefits..so think about your circumstances too...for me the traditional fet scene is not for me, so we (our couple profile) take our dynamic and experience it 121 and on the swinger club and party scene.This isn't for everyone into fet, but it works for us...it blurs the edges a lot, but then that's who we are. take it slow and enjoy your journey OP x" The more I hear people's thoughts on this, the more interesting it's becoming. I was chatting to a 'trainee' Dom (his words) in the quest. I should of asked him more, but only digested it after I had left.. hence my interest! Will just gave to go back again!!  lol Thanks x | |||
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"I'm attracted to the concept of a sensual, primal dom who understands the duty of care "Have you tried your Local Council? Mine has in it's charter, the Duty of care  | |||
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"mostly its a journey of self discovery imo. know where you are and what you can offer a sub right now. those things haveto be upheld to create abond of trust so dont go promising things that you cannot do. go to lots of different socials and watch, talk and listen and watch, this will make your self knowledge stronger. read, maybe attend some workshops on how to do the things you are curious about, safely. on your travels ask about the aftercare and responsibility other Doms and Dommes feel towards their subs. ultimately though its a unique dynamic between 2 pewople that needs maintaining and cultivating. Some people just play on the scene, but most want to cultivate the deeper bond its takes to reap its benefits..so think about your circumstances too...for me the traditional fet scene is not for me, so we (our couple profile) take our dynamic and experience it 121 and on the swinger club and party scene.This isn't for everyone into fet, but it works for us...it blurs the edges a lot, but then that's who we are. take it slow and enjoy your journey OP x The more I hear people's thoughts on this, the more interesting it's becoming. I was chatting to a 'trainee' Dom (his words) in the quest. I should of asked him more, but only digested it after I had left.. hence my interest! Will just gave to go back again!! lol Thanks x"what was it that intrigued you ? | |||
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Have you tried your Local Council? Mine has in it's charter, the Duty of care "Ooh can you get sex on the council, I never thought of asking...?  | |||
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Have you tried your Local Council? Mine has in it's charter, the Duty of care
Ooh can you get sex on the council, I never thought of asking...? "I hope so; the layabouts aren't much good at anything else 
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Have you tried your Local Council? Mine has in it's charter, the Duty of care "... pmsl .. .. .. such a star .. . | |||
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Have you tried your Local Council? Mine has in it's charter, the Duty of care "Ha.. great advice, I'll give them a call!! Lol x | |||
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Have you tried your Local Council? Mine has in it's charter, the Duty of care
Ha.. great advice, I'll give them a call!! Lol x"we have an agreement, lots of people do if only to guide the relationship with mutual agreed parameters including of course hard limits, but other things important to us..its keeps assumption and expectation out of the equation x | |||
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"Depends there are so many different types of submissives and they will all look for something different in a dom One of the things worth researching is the stage of sub drop, and dim worth his salt will know how important the after care process of their submissive is, in order to build a good level of trust with the male " Not heard the phrase sub drop before. I'll google it, but I presume it's the phase after the play/session? Cheers | |||
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"Depends there are so many different types of submissives and they will all look for something different in a dom One of the things worth researching is the stage of sub drop, and dim worth his salt will know how important the after care process of their submissive is, in order to build a good level of trust with the male Not heard the phrase sub drop before. I'll google it, but I presume it's the phase after the play/session? Cheers " it is, there is also Dom drop too and its not always immediately after the session, it can be hours or days later x | |||
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"Depends there are so many different types of submissives and they will all look for something different in a dom One of the things worth researching is the stage of sub drop, and dim worth his salt will know how important the after care process of their submissive is, in order to build a good level of trust with the male Not heard the phrase sub drop before. I'll google it, but I presume it's the phase after the play/session? Cheers it is, there is also Dom drop too and its not always immediately after the session, it can be hours or days later x" Dom Drop? Butter fingers? I bet it hurts for hours or days I once slipped and fell on ice; thankfully it was on my butt which is heavily padded. Still felt it for days OK, Submissives falling all by themselves can hardly blame anyone else | |||
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"mostly its a journey of self discovery imo. know where you are and what you can offer a sub right now. those things haveto be upheld to create abond of trust so dont go promising things that you cannot do. go to lots of different socials and watch, talk and listen and watch, this will make your self knowledge stronger. read, maybe attend some workshops on how to do the things you are curious about, safely. on your travels ask about the aftercare and responsibility other Doms and Dommes feel towards their subs. ultimately though its a unique dynamic between 2 pewople that needs maintaining and cultivating. Some people just play on the scene, but most want to cultivate the deeper bond its takes to reap its benefits..so think about your circumstances too...for me the traditional fet scene is not for me, so we (our couple profile) take our dynamic and experience it 121 and on the swinger club and party scene.This isn't for everyone into fet, but it works for us...it blurs the edges a lot, but then that's who we are. take it slow and enjoy your journey OP x The more I hear people's thoughts on this, the more interesting it's becoming. I was chatting to a 'trainee' Dom (his words) in the quest. I should of asked him more, but only digested it after I had left.. hence my interest! Will just gave to go back again!! lol Thanks x what was it that intrigued you ?"What intrigues me is what makes the sub want to be a sub in the 1st place.. and how they get to that place? Do Doms become Doms in the first place by accident because they naturally attract a sub type? | |||
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"Miss meets men who want a dominatrix as they say they "want to experience submissiveness to a dominant female". We however tend to find the idea for them is better than the reality (male ego thing?) as often we get "I'm not sure the sub thing is for me" messages afterwards. Miss is a no pain/violence femdom and we have found a lot of guys fantasise about humiliation. Taken to a pub, treated/spoken to disgracefully in public etc. That's what a good majority tend to discuss when miss asks them about their real fantasies. We all have our little quirks. "Thanks for your post. Im not cut out to be a sub and want to be humiliated, and I don't think I would want to publicly (unless in an environment with other Doms/subs) humiliate. For me I think I would be the satisfaction that another person totally gives them self to me, and trust me to help them push boundaries? | |||
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"Miss meets men who want a dominatrix as they say they "want to experience submissiveness to a dominant female". We however tend to find the idea for them is better than the reality (male ego thing?) as often we get "I'm not sure the sub thing is for me" messages afterwards. Miss is a no pain/violence femdom and we have found a lot of guys fantasise about humiliation. Taken to a pub, treated/spoken to disgracefully in public etc. That's what a good majority tend to discuss when miss asks them about their real fantasies. We all have our little quirks.
Thanks for your post. Im not cut out to be a sub and want to be humiliated, and I don't think I would want to publicly (unless in an environment with other Doms/subs) humiliate. For me I think I would be the satisfaction that another person totally gives them self to me, and trust me to help them push boundaries?"I think each Dom/sub relationship has its own unique mixture of wants/needs. As long as both are happy I think it fills needs for both. I'm dominant myself and couldn't be fulfilled by submissiveness/humiliation but some guys do genuinely really get fulfilment from it. | |||
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"Miss meets men who want a dominatrix as they say they "want to experience submissiveness to a dominant female". We however tend to find the idea for them is better than the reality (male ego thing?) as often we get "I'm not sure the sub thing is for me" messages afterwards. Miss is a no pain/violence femdom and we have found a lot of guys fantasise about humiliation. Taken to a pub, treated/spoken to disgracefully in public etc. That's what a good majority tend to discuss when miss asks them about their real fantasies. We all have our little quirks.
Thanks for your post. Im not cut out to be a sub and want to be humiliated, and I don't think I would want to publicly (unless in an environment with other Doms/subs) humiliate. For me I think I would be the satisfaction that another person totally gives them self to me, and trust me to help them push boundaries?"Yes, I am primal prey and that is the attraction for me - to totally let go emotionally, to be fully unrestrained and 'in the moment' and give myself to someone who is trustworthy to care for me and put my needs first. Before I can let go all control I need to feel someone else has got it! | |||
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"Miss meets men who want a dominatrix as they say they "want to experience submissiveness to a dominant female". We however tend to find the idea for them is better than the reality (male ego thing?) as often we get "I'm not sure the sub thing is for me" messages afterwards. Miss is a no pain/violence femdom and we have found a lot of guys fantasise about humiliation. Taken to a pub, treated/spoken to disgracefully in public etc. That's what a good majority tend to discuss when miss asks them about their real fantasies. We all have our little quirks.
Thanks for your post. Im not cut out to be a sub and want to be humiliated, and I don't think I would want to publicly (unless in an environment with other Doms/subs) humiliate. For me I think I would be the satisfaction that another person totally gives them self to me, and trust me to help them push boundaries?
Yes, I am primal prey and that is the attraction for me - to totally let go emotionally, to be fully unrestrained and 'in the moment' and give myself to someone who is trustworthy to care for me and put my needs first. Before I can let go all control I need to feel someone else has got it! "That is how I see it.. to have the trust of someone to that degree.. wow!! X | |||
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"mostly its a journey of self discovery imo. know where you are and what you can offer a sub right now. those things haveto be upheld to create abond of trust so dont go promising things that you cannot do. go to lots of different socials and watch, talk and listen and watch, this will make your self knowledge stronger. read, maybe attend some workshops on how to do the things you are curious about, safely. on your travels ask about the aftercare and responsibility other Doms and Dommes feel towards their subs. ultimately though its a unique dynamic between 2 pewople that needs maintaining and cultivating. Some people just play on the scene, but most want to cultivate the deeper bond its takes to reap its benefits..so think about your circumstances too...for me the traditional fet scene is not for me, so we (our couple profile) take our dynamic and experience it 121 and on the swinger club and party scene.This isn't for everyone into fet, but it works for us...it blurs the edges a lot, but then that's who we are. take it slow and enjoy your journey OP x The more I hear people's thoughts on this, the more interesting it's becoming. I was chatting to a 'trainee' Dom (his words) in the quest. I should of asked him more, but only digested it after I had left.. hence my interest! Will just gave to go back again!! lol Thanks x what was it that intrigued you ?
What intrigues me is what makes the sub want to be a sub in the 1st place.. and how they get to that place? Do Doms become Doms in the first place by accident because they naturally attract a sub type?"those are very big questions and you would receive an infinite spectrum of subjective answers. for your own journey, turn the question inwards. What makes you want to be a Dom and not a Sub, what possible circumstances would it take for you to have a go at being the one you dont want to be ? what do you want to feel, before during and after a scene? who do you attract and why? natural strengths in previous relationships, and weaknesses. what perceptions do i have to change about myself/ others in order for me to experience something else?..i found it handy to keep a journal on this, because you change over time, what once seemed impossible can become reality, but its all about baby steps and self reflection and noting ones resistance and where it comes from.. the psychological effect cannot be underestimated, that's why, for your own benefit and anyone you play with, you need to be as well informed as possible. you want good experiences and the ability to handle the after math of something that did not go as well as you expected x | |||
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" The more I hear people's thoughts on this, the more interesting it's becoming. I was chatting to a 'trainee' Dom (his words) in the quest. I should of asked him more, but only digested it after I had left.. hence my interest! Will just gave to go back again!! lol Thanks x what was it that intrigued you ?
What intrigues me is what makes the sub want to be a sub in the 1st place.. and how they get to that place? Do Doms become Doms in the first place by accident because they naturally attract a sub type? those are very big questions and you would receive an infinite spectrum of subjective answers. for your own journey, turn the question inwards. What makes you want to be a Dom and not a Sub, what possible circumstances would it take for you to have a go at being the one you dont want to be ? what do you want to feel, before during and after a scene? who do you attract and why? natural strengths in previous relationships, and weaknesses. what perceptions do i have to change about myself/ others in order for me to experience something else?..i found it handy to keep a journal on this, because you change over time, what once seemed impossible can become reality, but its all about baby steps and self reflection and noting ones resistance and where it comes from.. the psychological effect cannot be underestimated, that's why, for your own benefit and anyone you play with, you need to be as well informed as possible. you want good experiences and the ability to handle the after math of something that did not go as well as you expected x"Understanding the psychological effect, especially around space and drop are imperative, that knowledge and having the skills to deal with is what makes a Dom different to a person who just is in to it for rough easy sex. Dom is far from easy in my world... | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness "Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing... | |||
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"I'm interested to know what Sub looks for in a Dom? I'm not experienced in the area in anyway, just fascinated by it, and would like to understand it better." Orange shorts? | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness "the observers perception as to whats happening in a scene is never the same as the participants/ observed... | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing... "Oh, I am sure they do
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing...
Oh, I am sure they do
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing...
Oh, I am sure they do
On and up with the floggers and timers
Oh and don't forget projections... "Projectors too? I think I'll go back there to see this one; they have them at AbFab Don't get me wrong. I like watching the show on a slow night. And I am 'respectful' of the Masta and/or Mastas there. I always leave the room before I burst out laughing
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness "That's the thing though, it's not a sex act for the people involved. Sex doesn't even play a part half the time. It's mental stimulation. And the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game. That's what it is.(for me)...A psychological game. Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush. You're very dismissive of people wanting to find higher highs. If it works for others, why mock? | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing...
Oh, I am sure they do
On and up with the floggers and timers
Oh and don't forget projections...
Projectors too?
I think I'll go back there to see this one; they have them at AbFab
Don't get me wrong. I like watching the show on a slow night. And I am 'respectful' of the Masta and/or Mastas there. I always leave the room before I burst out laughing
But on a serious note. This must be the circus end of Sub/Dom; just as when one watches a couple performing sex on a bed vying for an audience"There is show people in all walks of life, I hate stage hypnosis, it makes a mockery of the fantastic work of people such as Milton Erickson, still people do it and I accept that. It doesn't stop me embracing the true dynamic. However people see stage hypnosis and believe that is what hypnosis is, without understanding the underlaying concepts. As Korzybski said, 'the map is not the territory.'  | |||
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"Miss meets men who want a dominatrix as they say they "want to experience submissiveness to a dominant female". We however tend to find the idea for them is better than the reality (male ego thing?) as often we get "I'm not sure the sub thing is for me" messages afterwards. Miss is a no pain/violence femdom and we have found a lot of guys fantasise about humiliation. Taken to a pub, treated/spoken to disgracefully in public etc. That's what a good majority tend to discuss when miss asks them about their real fantasies. We all have our little quirks. "Dayum! Sounds great. We've done something like this, would love to do it again. | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
That's the thing though, it's not a sex act for the people involved. Sex doesn't even play a part half the time. It's mental stimulation. And the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game. That's what it is.(for me)...A psychological game.
Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush.
You're very dismissive of people wanting to find higher highs. If it works for others, why mock? "Oh, no, please do find your higher highs. But then don't try to tell others that, "and the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game.". What absolute nonsense. Most I've have attempted to speak to couldn't even string an intelligible sentence together It is like that guy who owns a swinger's club who during a radio interview was trying to 'big' himself up by saying something completely and utterly stupid like, "swingers have a higher IQ than the rest of society". What a tosspot | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing...
Oh, I am sure they do
On and up with the floggers and timers
Oh and don't forget projections...
Projectors too?
I think I'll go back there to see this one; they have them at AbFab
Don't get me wrong. I like watching the show on a slow night. And I am 'respectful' of the Masta and/or Mastas there. I always leave the room before I burst out laughing
But on a serious note. This must be the circus end of Sub/Dom; just as when one watches a couple performing sex on a bed vying for an audience
There is show people in all walks of life, I hate stage hypnosis, it makes a mockery of the fantastic work of people such as Milton Erickson, still people do it and I accept that. It doesn't stop me embracing the true dynamic.
However people see stage hypnosis and believe that is what hypnosis is, without understanding the underlaying concepts.
As Korzybski said, 'the map is not the territory.' "No, but if the guide book is rubbish, then my opinion of that destination is somewhat lowered. Sometimes lowered to the point that I don't even seriously consider the destination | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing...
Oh, I am sure they do
On and up with the floggers and timers
Oh and don't forget projections...
Projectors too?
I think I'll go back there to see this one; they have them at AbFab
Don't get me wrong. I like watching the show on a slow night. And I am 'respectful' of the Masta and/or Mastas there. I always leave the room before I burst out laughing
But on a serious note. This must be the circus end of Sub/Dom; just as when one watches a couple performing sex on a bed vying for an audience
There is show people in all walks of life, I hate stage hypnosis, it makes a mockery of the fantastic work of people such as Milton Erickson, still people do it and I accept that. It doesn't stop me embracing the true dynamic.
However people see stage hypnosis and believe that is what hypnosis is, without understanding the underlaying concepts.
As Korzybski said, 'the map is not the territory.'
No, but if the guide book is rubbish, then my opinion of that destination is somewhat lowered. Sometimes lowered to the point that I don't even seriously consider the destination"Why read a book you have no interest in... | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
That's the thing though, it's not a sex act for the people involved. Sex doesn't even play a part half the time. It's mental stimulation. And the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game. That's what it is.(for me)...A psychological game.
Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush.
You're very dismissive of people wanting to find higher highs. If it works for others, why mock?
Oh, no, please do find your higher highs. But then don't try to tell others that, "and the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game.". What absolute nonsense. Most I've have attempted to speak to couldn't even string an intelligible sentence together
It is like that guy who owns a swinger's club who during a radio interview was trying to 'big' himself up by saying something completely and utterly stupid like, "swingers have a higher IQ than the rest of society". What a tosspot"Then try to have a more open mind than judging all fetishists and tarring them with the same brush, by comparing them to the handful you've seen running round in leather with floggers. | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
Gosh George Miller and his 7 +/- 2 theory is all wrong - Damn those top American psych - babblers. They know nothing...
Oh, I am sure they do
On and up with the floggers and timers
Oh and don't forget projections...
Projectors too?
I think I'll go back there to see this one; they have them at AbFab
Don't get me wrong. I like watching the show on a slow night. And I am 'respectful' of the Masta and/or Mastas there. I always leave the room before I burst out laughing
But on a serious note. This must be the circus end of Sub/Dom; just as when one watches a couple performing sex on a bed vying for an audience
There is show people in all walks of life, I hate stage hypnosis, it makes a mockery of the fantastic work of people such as Milton Erickson, still people do it and I accept that. It doesn't stop me embracing the true dynamic.
However people see stage hypnosis and believe that is what hypnosis is, without understanding the underlaying concepts.
As Korzybski said, 'the map is not the territory.'
No, but if the guide book is rubbish, then my opinion of that destination is somewhat lowered. Sometimes lowered to the point that I don't even seriously consider the destination
Why read a book you have no interest in... "Bored | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
That's the thing though, it's not a sex act for the people involved. Sex doesn't even play a part half the time. It's mental stimulation. And the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game. That's what it is.(for me)...A psychological game.
Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush.
You're very dismissive of people wanting to find higher highs. If it works for others, why mock?
Oh, no, please do find your higher highs. But then don't try to tell others that, "and the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game.". What absolute nonsense. Most I've have attempted to speak to couldn't even string an intelligible sentence together
It is like that guy who owns a swinger's club who during a radio interview was trying to 'big' himself up by saying something completely and utterly stupid like, "swingers have a higher IQ than the rest of society". What a tosspot
Then try to have a more open mind than judging all fetishists and tarring them with the same brush, by comparing them to the handful you've seen running round in leather with floggers. "Human nature. One forms opinions on what one watches or experiences And if people want to promote their particular interest (which I suppose that threads like these are designed to do) then it is up to them to raise awareness. But raise awareness in way which does not appear as if they are trying to portray themselves as more intelligent than the rest; because they are not! Really, honestly, they are not | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
That's the thing though, it's not a sex act for the people involved. Sex doesn't even play a part half the time. It's mental stimulation. And the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game. That's what it is.(for me)...A psychological game.
Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush.
You're very dismissive of people wanting to find higher highs. If it works for others, why mock?
Oh, no, please do find your higher highs. But then don't try to tell others that, "and the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game.". What absolute nonsense. Most I've have attempted to speak to couldn't even string an intelligible sentence together
It is like that guy who owns a swinger's club who during a radio interview was trying to 'big' himself up by saying something completely and utterly stupid like, "swingers have a higher IQ than the rest of society". What a tosspot
Then try to have a more open mind than judging all fetishists and tarring them with the same brush, by comparing them to the handful you've seen running round in leather with floggers.
Human nature. One forms opinions on what one watches or experiences
And if people want to promote their particular interest (which I suppose that threads like these are designed to do) then it is up to them to raise awareness. But raise awareness in way which does not appear as if they are trying to portray themselves as more intelligent than the rest; because they are not! Really, honestly, they are not"I actually said... The more intelligent the players of this game, the more you have to ramp it up. Meaning, a lot of the play gets more and more psychological if needs be. But you can twist it as you please. | |||
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"I think at this point I start laughing and stop taking anything written seriously. The point at which the psychobabble enters the 'arena' adorned with whips and chains and an attempt is made to elevate a sexual act to a Phd in some pseudo-science I once saw this little guy all dressed up in leather walking very, very slowly around this woman who was blindfolded and running a flogger up and down her body. I timed him as I had nothing better to do than watch this circus. He literally, every 10 seconds, whipped her with the flogger and then again ran it up and down her body. His admiring audience was mesmerised by this show of Domness
That's the thing though, it's not a sex act for the people involved. Sex doesn't even play a part half the time. It's mental stimulation. And the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game. That's what it is.(for me)...A psychological game.
Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush.
You're very dismissive of people wanting to find higher highs. If it works for others, why mock?
Oh, no, please do find your higher highs. But then don't try to tell others that, "and the more intelligent the players, the higher you have to ramp up the game.". What absolute nonsense. Most I've have attempted to speak to couldn't even string an intelligible sentence together
It is like that guy who owns a swinger's club who during a radio interview was trying to 'big' himself up by saying something completely and utterly stupid like, "swingers have a higher IQ than the rest of society". What a tosspot
Then try to have a more open mind than judging all fetishists and tarring them with the same brush, by comparing them to the handful you've seen running round in leather with floggers.
Human nature. One forms opinions on what one watches or experiences
And if people want to promote their particular interest (which I suppose that threads like these are designed to do) then it is up to them to raise awareness. But raise awareness in way which does not appear as if they are trying to portray themselves as more intelligent than the rest; because they are not! Really, honestly, they are not
I actually said... The more intelligent the players of this game, the more you have to ramp it up. Meaning, a lot of the play gets more and more psychological if needs be.
But you can twist it as you please. "And I quoted you letter for letter. Your latter clarification was not available for discussion at that point! It has only just been published By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest. "I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google: "Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder" "Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences" Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold "Thanks for this Josie, hope you get better soon. | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold "People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement. Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to? | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?"Dunno; I just googled Endorphin because you mentioned it in your comment here: "Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush." So I guess, according to you, vanilla sex does not produce the endorphin rush which is only released through the intellectual simulation during Sub/Dom sessions. You tell us whether swinger's get this high too through Vanilla sex. For if we do, then we too are doomed; I say doomed | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?"well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck "The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck
The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips "that's right darling only a fool tries to communicate with a wall | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
Dunno; I just googled Endorphin because you mentioned it in your comment here:
"Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush."
So I guess, according to you, vanilla sex does not produce the endorphin rush which is only released through the intellectual simulation during Sub/Dom sessions. You tell us whether swinger's get this high too through Vanilla sex. For if we do, then we too are doomed; I say doomed "Again with the twisting of the words. I said vanilla sex does nothing for ME. I need an element of mental stimulation and I push to get a higher high. Some people get the same high from sex. Everyone is different Josie. That's the whole point. Amused me though you had to go off and Google to find a negative mental health slant to bring into it. | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
Dunno; I just googled Endorphin because you mentioned it in your comment here:
"Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush."
So I guess, according to you, vanilla sex does not produce the endorphin rush which is only released through the intellectual simulation during Sub/Dom sessions. You tell us whether swinger's get this high too through Vanilla sex. For if we do, then we too are doomed; I say doomed
Again with the twisting of the words. I said vanilla sex does nothing for ME. I need an element of mental stimulation and I push to get a higher high. Some people get the same high from sex. Everyone is different Josie. That's the whole point.
Amused me though you had to go off and Google to find a negative mental health slant to bring into it. "Endorphins are a completely natural response to many types of stimuli, let's just enjoy them!! | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
Dunno; I just googled Endorphin because you mentioned it in your comment here:
"Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush."
So I guess, according to you, vanilla sex does not produce the endorphin rush which is only released through the intellectual simulation during Sub/Dom sessions. You tell us whether swinger's get this high too through Vanilla sex. For if we do, then we too are doomed; I say doomed
Again with the twisting of the words. I said vanilla sex does nothing for ME. I need an element of mental stimulation and I push to get a higher high. Some people get the same high from sex. Everyone is different Josie. That's the whole point.
Amused me though you had to go off and Google to find a negative mental health slant to bring into it. "Actually, I didn't look for anything positive or negative; that is the first article which pops up There may be more; try it
And I do know that endorphin is released in small doses during a sexual high which induces low-level effects of DPD. That was not the point. What I find interesting is that you felt that this is a negative; I don't. This is a legal high
Now Masta' over there thinks that it is him providing this high. The fact is that he is not; the submissive is doing it all by herself and he is just a prop; a cardboard cutout, at best. His other props are hot candle wax, a flogger, a paddle, couple of nipple clamps and other such assortment of useless paraphernalia. Oh, and lets us not forget the leatherette collarless poet shirt
These days, S/M is just an excuse for dirty, kinky sex sought after by little old men
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck
The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips
that's right darling only a fool tries to communicate with a wall "Wholeheartedly agree with you; oh supreme Masta' of immeasurable intellect encompassing the 'science' of innuendo If you could see me now you would know that I am sincere in my sentiment; with my gaze fixed at the floor awaiting your next command [ ] | |||
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"Can everybody please use the designated Dom/Domme (capital D), sub (small s).....and D/s? The variations are making me twitchy- if you don't stop you'll be sent to stand facing the wall in silence, until you learn.......there will also be NO spankings! Thank you "Dominos pizza is better than subway, all written in correct upper and lower case. | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck
The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips
that's right darling only a fool tries to communicate with a wall
Wholeheartedly agree with you; oh supreme Masta' of immeasurable intellect encompassing the 'science' of innuendo
If you could see me now you would know that I am sincere in my sentiment; with my gaze fixed at the floor awaiting your next command
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck
The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips
that's right darling only a fool tries to communicate with a wall
Wholeheartedly agree with you; oh supreme Masta' of immeasurable intellect encompassing the 'science' of innuendo
If you could see me now you would know that I am sincere in my sentiment; with my gaze fixed at the floor awaiting your next command
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Sorry, a tad thick who is masta in your mind, they don't live in mine. "please don't tell me you are projecting some thing from the past... | |||
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" ... People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement. Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to? well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck
The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips
that's right darling only a fool tries to communicate with a wall
Wholeheartedly agree with you; oh supreme Masta' of immeasurable intellect encompassing the 'science' of innuendo
If you could see me now you would know that I am sincere in my sentiment; with my gaze fixed at the floor awaiting your next command
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Sorry, a tad thick who is masta in your mind, they don't live in mine. please don't tell me you are projecting some thing from the past..."No, these are very much a 21st century invention. And no, I did not mean you; you sound different Now, it is all about props, costumes, theatrics, contracts and kinky sex with a peppering of, wait for this, pyrotechnics That even took me aback; I thought I had finally witnessed all the nonsense that there is now | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
Dunno; I just googled Endorphin because you mentioned it in your comment here:
"Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush."
So I guess, according to you, vanilla sex does not produce the endorphin rush which is only released through the intellectual simulation during Sub/Dom sessions. You tell us whether swinger's get this high too through Vanilla sex. For if we do, then we too are doomed; I say doomed
Again with the twisting of the words. I said vanilla sex does nothing for ME. I need an element of mental stimulation and I push to get a higher high. Some people get the same high from sex. Everyone is different Josie. That's the whole point.
Amused me though you had to go off and Google to find a negative mental health slant to bring into it.
Actually, I didn't look for anything positive or negative; that is the first article which pops up There may be more; try it
And I do know that endorphin is released in small doses during a sexual high which induces low-level effects of DPD. That was not the point. What I find interesting is that you felt that this is a negative; I don't. This is a legal high
Now Masta' over there thinks that it is him providing this high. The fact is that he is not; the submissive is doing it all by herself and he is just a prop; a cardboard cutout, at best. His other props are hot candle wax, a flogger, a paddle, couple of nipple clamps and other such assortment of useless paraphernalia. Oh, and lets us not forget the leatherette collarless poet shirt
These days, S/M is just an excuse for dirty, kinky sex sought after by little old men
[ The Gate (Inner Circle); Keith arrested for running amok with a hammer; I do know what I am talking about ]"i don't like your tone towards someone on this thread or about his capabilities. you dont like fetish, so why post? because you can or or the fact that you needed the attention for your cold ..did you get an endorphin rush from this waste of everyone's time ? apologies op, that this person has no experience at all of anything you wish to know about...i hope you glean something useful from the other posters | |||
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
well put and spot on
interesting read this forum post and really does highlight the general ignorance of the swinging scene when it comes to any topic other than I quick thirty minute vanilla fuck
The Masta' has spoken. Everyone bow their heads to these great words of wisdom and intellect. Not evidence is required; just innuendo is sufficient when little guys crack whips
that's right darling only a fool tries to communicate with a wall
Wholeheartedly agree with you; oh supreme Masta' of immeasurable intellect encompassing the 'science' of innuendo
If you could see me now you would know that I am sincere in my sentiment; with my gaze fixed at the floor awaiting your next command
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" By the way (BTW), endorphin is released when one exercises and it interacts with the receptors in the brain which can reduce the perception of pain. Endorphin also triggers a feeling similar to that of morphine. There is also suspcion that endorphin may play a role in depersonalization disorder That last bit was interesting, would like to have a look at the paper if you can reference that. I suspect this has moved on to a whole new topic and not helping the OP in his quest.
I don't think I am permitted to post the links here but I can cut 'n' paste a little bit, I suppose. You can then use some of it as your search criteria in Google:
"Endorphins are suspected to play a role in depersonalization disorder"
"Depersonalization disorder (DPD), also known as depersonalization-derealization syndrome, is a mental disorder in which the person has persistent or recurrent feelings of depersonalization and/or derealization. Symptoms can be classified as either depersonalization or derealization. Depersonalization is described as feeling disconnected or estranged from one's body, thoughts, or emotions. Individuals experiencing depersonalization may report feeling as if they are an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions. In some cases, individuals may be unable to accept their reflection as their own, or they may have out-of-body experiences"
Whether this is all true or not, or good or bad, I don't know
What I do know is that I wish I had some of it right now so I don't have to suffer this nasty cold
People somehow always manage to drag mental health in to discussions on BDSM as a form of arguement.
Are these the same endorphins released by the swingers having sex? Or is it just the subs and leather clad Doms it relates to?
Dunno; I just googled Endorphin because you mentioned it in your comment here:
"Vanilla sex does nothing for me. It's just boring. I need mental stimulation too. I'm not talking about someone running round in leather with whips and chains. It's about seeking an endorphin rush."
So I guess, according to you, vanilla sex does not produce the endorphin rush which is only released through the intellectual simulation during Sub/Dom sessions. You tell us whether swinger's get this high too through Vanilla sex. For if we do, then we too are doomed; I say doomed
Again with the twisting of the words. I said vanilla sex does nothing for ME. I need an element of mental stimulation and I push to get a higher high. Some people get the same high from sex. Everyone is different Josie. That's the whole point.
Amused me though you had to go off and Google to find a negative mental health slant to bring into it.
Actually, I didn't look for anything positive or negative; that is the first article which pops up There may be more; try it
And I do know that endorphin is released in small doses during a sexual high which induces low-level effects of DPD. That was not the point. What I find interesting is that you felt that this is a negative; I don't. This is a legal high
Now Masta' over there thinks that it is him providing this high. The fact is that he is not; the submissive is doing it all by herself and he is just a prop; a cardboard cutout, at best. His other props are hot candle wax, a flogger, a paddle, couple of nipple clamps and other such assortment of useless paraphernalia. Oh, and lets us not forget the leatherette collarless poet shirt
These days, S/M is just an excuse for dirty, kinky sex sought after by little old men
[ The Gate (Inner Circle); Keith arrested for running amok with a hammer; I do know what I am talking about ] i don't like your tone towards someone on this thread or about his capabilities. you dont like fetish, so why post? because you can or or the fact that you needed the attention for your cold ..did you get an endorphin rush from this waste of everyone's time ?
apologies op, that this person has no experience at all of anything you wish to know about...i hope you glean something useful from the other posters"Do I look as if I care what YOU like or don't like. Now don't be silly OK and run along Waste of everyone's time? The circuses I have seen ARE the waste of time; somewhat assuming; quite hilarious, but a utter waste of time
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