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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Horses for courses buff said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

You just described 60% of fab members! Don't worry your pretty little head about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing

Agreed "

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wouldn't meet you because of it but wouldn't judge you because of it,our choice,your choice

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Thanks for the replies

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of my business

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Atleast not got aload of abuse like some messages I receive

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

No thanks

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

Agreed we've said that before and got slaughtered but it seems to make them feel better by saying at least I'm honest

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Atleast not got aload of abuse like some messages I receive "

Give it time. Good luck OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Atleast not got aload of abuse like some messages I receive

Give it time. Good luck OP "

Thank you

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume? "

You assume wrong. But you know that already

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

I avoid married men as I don't need to potential for drama.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some are, some aren't, some will, some won't.

I'm not.....I will.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

You assume wrong. But you know that already"

The hate seems to be aimed at men thus far.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

You assume wrong. But you know that already

The hate seems to be aimed at men thus far. "

Yeah, I know. There shouldn't be for either. They are both doing exactly the same; cheating on their partner. I would just avoid both

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Nobody's business but your own...some will judge, some won't.

Rather than use 'honest' though I prefer the term 'up front' when describing marital circumstances - the former just antagonises the holier-than-thou brigade

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

You assume wrong. But you know that already

The hate seems to be aimed at men thus far. "

Because men are the ones that usually start the bloody threads that's why

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume? "

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience "

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?

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By *outh Wales HotwifeCouple
over a year ago

Hobbiton


"Nobody's business but your own...some will judge, some won't.

Rather than use 'honest' though I prefer the term 'up front' when describing marital circumstances - the former just antagonises the holier-than-thou brigade "

Agreed

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Nobody's business but your own...some will judge, some won't.

Rather than use 'honest' though I prefer the term 'up front' when describing marital circumstances - the former just antagonises the holier-than-thou brigade

Agreed "

Agreed

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?"

Not many to be honest, seems most revel in the deceit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a question I'm surprised hasn't been asked before. I will follow the thread with interest!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?

Not many to be honest, seems most revel in the deceit "

Yet, we are to embrace them as our swinging brethren. And withhold all judgment. Swinging has just "evolved" they tell us. Get with the times.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If married guys want to be on here it's fine it really is but drop the " I'm honest and genuine " because your not you are really not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "
play ignorant. As long as I don't know the other halves. We play together so others playing away is not our problem and not our guilt

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By *heManMan
over a year ago

Windsor


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?"

I'd have thought it would if they're doing it right...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?

I'd have thought it would if they're doing it right... "

Strangely they usually can only do daytime meets....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

Honest and yet not to the person who most deserves it.

Do what you want, when you want with whomsoever. Then pay any consequences that may arise.

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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago

Scotland - Aberdeen


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?

Not many to be honest, seems most revel in the deceit

Yet, we are to embrace them as our swinging brethren. And withhold all judgment. Swinging has just "evolved" they tell us. Get with the times. "

Shucks, I'm obviously not with the times and I apologise, all the hip people carry on as they were

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

No idea as I have never been married and been single for over 10 years, but I haven't seen a thread created by a married woman bemoaning her site experience

And why would they? How many men on here would give a solitary shit? A legover from a married woman isn't going to give many guys a sleepless night is it?

Not many to be honest, seems most revel in the deceit

Yet, we are to embrace them as our swinging brethren. And withhold all judgment. Swinging has just "evolved" they tell us. Get with the times.

Shucks, I'm obviously not with the times and I apologise, all the hip people carry on as they were "

No your right don't lower your standards and beliefs,married guys/girls are not honest nor genuine

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By *ay19720Man
over a year ago

Ashford kent


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

Lmao..true true..lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At least some are upfront about it. Better than the ones who attempt to keep it secret and then get caught out!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At least some are upfront about it. Better than the ones who attempt to keep it secret and then get caught out! "

Agreed but they need to drop the " I'm honest and genuine " bit because they are not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"At least some are upfront about it. Better than the ones who attempt to keep it secret and then get caught out!

Agreed but they need to drop the " I'm honest and genuine " bit because they are not "

Preach! You're totally right.

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By *elbourne69Man
over a year ago

Melbourne

Only men that play away then? Not!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

I don't really have any thoughts about it, except that we wouldn't knowingly meet attached people. It's their business how they run their marriage.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Some approve some don't approve. Personally If we meet single guys I prefer the married ones so you don't get the hassle that your can get with single guys. My 2 favourite fabbers are both married and we get to see them often

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

If you are honest to your wife then that's fine - but you aren't so in our book it's not fine and it makes you anything but honest. Cheating is destructive and dishonest and dishonesty is an unattractive trait.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

Exactly.

Is there such thing as part-time honesty?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At end of the day if your married and on here without partners consent u are cheating and obviously there's something missing in your marriage or your just a lousy person that's why I'm glad I don't have a wife or gf as I'd feel like a loser

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing "
totally agree let them eat cake I say

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So like the op I'm married are there any you who don't care about marital status and would be prepared to chat and meet?? Ladies and couples I mean

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

Exactly.

Is there such thing as part-time honesty?"

yep ask an mp

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

I try not to judge but this occurs to me too... My ex husband fucked half the town and everyone knew except me.. I don't want to be a part of the pain it would cause but each to his own...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing totally agree let them eat cake I say "

Someone mention cake

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So like the op I'm married are there any you who don't care about marital status and would be prepared to chat and meet?? Ladies and couples I mean"

We are sure there are, but all they are doing is participating in the dishonesty of a married person.

We just don't get it, if someone wants to be free to have sex with others why get married? If they want to stay married, do they not owe it to their partner to be honest? Maybe they are some men and women out there who think they don't.

It isn't cheating if the partner knows!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"So like the op I'm married are there any you who don't care about marital status and would be prepared to chat and meet?? Ladies and couples I mean

We are sure there are, but all they are doing is participating in the dishonesty of a married person.

We just don't get it, if someone wants to be free to have sex with others why get married? If they want to stay married, do they not owe it to their partner to be honest? Maybe they are some men and women out there who think they don't.

It isn't cheating if the partner knows!!

"

Never looked at it that way if the other knows it's not cheating

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

I dont care as long as I am aware

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By *imetoexplore69Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume?

You assume wrong. But you know that already

The hate seems to be aimed at men thus far. "

thats because guys options are more limited on here and will forget thier morals far quicker.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love this topic every time it reappears.

It really is down to where your moral compass is i think .

But what i love about this place is that if it's a guy then he's condemned to hell and back . But if it's a woman then all's fine as hubby should be making sure she's getting what she wants and needs.

I'll just leave that there now

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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago

hiding from cock pics.


"Wouldn't meet you because of it but wouldn't judge you because of it,our choice,your choice "

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By *umpty dumptyMan
over a year ago

birmingham

It's up to the individual if he or she wants to meets cpls I know I don't mind

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By *andeCouple
over a year ago

Bognor area


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing

Agreed

Exactly "

But don't expect me to lie for you when you get caught

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love this topic every time it reappears.

It really is down to where your moral compass is i think .

But what i love about this place is that if it's a guy then he's condemned to hell and back . But if it's a woman then all's fine as hubby should be making sure she's getting what she wants and needs.

I'll just leave that there now "

We don't condone any cheating between partners, irrelevant of whether it is the male or female.

From what we see on the forum men do take more condemning than women, however do you not think that is because usually this type of thread is started by a man?

Speaking just as we see it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Love this topic every time it reappears.

It really is down to where your moral compass is i think .

But what i love about this place is that if it's a guy then he's condemned to hell and back . But if it's a woman then all's fine as hubby should be making sure she's getting what she wants and needs.

I'll just leave that there now

We don't condone any cheating between partners, irrelevant of whether it is the male or female.

From what we see on the forum men do take more condemning than women, however do you not think that is because usually this type of thread is started by a man?

Speaking just as we see it.

"

Very much so, because as I said earlier, even married women aren't going to find it hard to get laid if they want to.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

I have my thoughts on this matter. I don't care what you do.

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By *umpty dumptyMan
over a year ago

birmingham


"I have my thoughts on this matter. I don't care what you do."

I agree

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!

I just have a problem with those that gloat about it actually.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

Ermmm honest? Seriously? Thats not the word you should use

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

This ^^^^^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Everyone has their own reasons for being on here, whether single, married, here as a couple, or whatever.

Can a married couple really be 'deeply in love with each other' yet enjoy sex with other people? (Yes, of course they can!) But we never question that - although I know a number of swinging couples that ended in divorce because of the jealousy that developed.

Just possible a married man, or woman, is saving their marriage and family by being discreet, yet making up for what is missing, without hurting their partner's feelings.

No one is better, or worse, than any other and we can all justify our reasons for being here - but as long as people are 'up-front' about their marital status when asked, we can also all make informed decisions about who we choose to meet. And it is our choice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone has their own reasons for being on here, whether single, married, here as a couple, or whatever.

Can a married couple really be 'deeply in love with each other' yet enjoy sex with other people? (Yes, of course they can!) But we never question that - although I know a number of swinging couples that ended in divorce because of the jealousy that developed.

Just possible a married man, or woman, is saving their marriage and family by being discreet, yet making up for what is missing, without hurting their partner's feelings.

No one is better, or worse, than any other and we can all justify our reasons for being here - but as long as people are 'up-front' about their marital status when asked, we can also all make informed decisions about who we choose to meet. And it is our choice."

well put

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone has their own reasons for being on here, whether single, married, here as a couple, or whatever.

Can a married couple really be 'deeply in love with each other' yet enjoy sex with other people? (Yes, of course they can!) But we never question that - although I know a number of swinging couples that ended in divorce because of the jealousy that developed.

Just possible a married man, or woman, is saving their marriage and family by being discreet, yet making up for what is missing, without hurting their partner's feelings.

No one is better, or worse, than any other and we can all justify our reasons for being here - but as long as people are 'up-front' about their marital status when asked, we can also all make informed decisions about who we choose to meet. And it is our choice."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone has their own reasons for being on here, whether single, married, here as a couple, or whatever.

Can a married couple really be 'deeply in love with each other' yet enjoy sex with other people? (Yes, of course they can!) But we never question that - although I know a number of swinging couples that ended in divorce because of the jealousy that developed.

Just possible a married man, or woman, is saving their marriage and family by being discreet, yet making up for what is missing, without hurting their partner's feelings.

No one is better, or worse, than any other and we can all justify our reasons for being here - but as long as people are 'up-front' about their marital status when asked, we can also all make informed decisions about who we choose to meet. And it is our choice."

Have a thumb

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thank you - was just my little rant

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Everyone has their own reasons for being on here, whether single, married, here as a couple, or whatever.

Can a married couple really be 'deeply in love with each other' yet enjoy sex with other people? (Yes, of course they can!) But we never question that - although I know a number of swinging couples that ended in divorce because of the jealousy that developed.

Just possible a married man, or woman, is saving their marriage and family by being discreet, yet making up for what is missing, without hurting their partner's feelings.

No one is better, or worse, than any other and we can all justify our reasons for being here - but as long as people are 'up-front' about their marital status when asked, we can also all make informed decisions about who we choose to meet. And it is our choice."

Let us get this straight, 'up front' to someone that they are hoping to have sex with, or 'up front' to the person that they say they love?

Is it the choice of the cheater whether their unsuspecting partner should know, or is it the choice of the partner whether they will accept the situation or not?

We would suggest that the choice of saving a marriage should be made by both partners, not just one. If it is being saved for the sake of any family or children, surely it is even more of a reason that it is a decision made by both informed partners isn't it?

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley


"At least some are upfront about it. Better than the ones who attempt to keep it secret and then get caught out!

Agreed but they need to drop the " I'm honest and genuine " bit because they are not "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not our thing but as long as you read our profile and don't message us we don't care lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We would suggest that the choice of saving a marriage should be made by both partners, not just one. If it is being saved for the sake of any family or children, surely it is even more of a reason that it is a decision made by both informed partners isn't it?

If you don't know the reason a married man/woman is on here I don't see how you can make a judgment about them.

I not saying there is one good reason that allows them the cheat but for them maybe they can see no other choice, your not in they position or walk a mile in they shoes.

It go's with saying you have the right to meet who you want.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We would suggest that the choice of saving a marriage should be made by both partners, not just one. If it is being saved for the sake of any family or children, surely it is even more of a reason that it is a decision made by both informed partners isn't it?

If you don't know the reason a married man/woman is on here I don't see how you can make a judgment about them.

I not saying there is one good reason that allows them the cheat but for them maybe they can see no other choice, your not in they position or walk a mile in they shoes.

It go's with saying you have the right to meet who you want."

There is no judging going on there.

And of course they can meet who they want.

Just a great shame for the unsuspecting partner who believes that they have a faithful and honest partner living with them.

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By *s2walesCouple
over a year ago

Gwent...


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person

And the married women remain blameless I assume? "

Haven't you ever heard of double standards lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I find it really disrespectful. And if someone respects their partner so little that they lie to them, why would they respect me as someone they're just fucking? I don't want to be respected less than the person they're lying to regularly.

Those who lie about being single are the worst though. It's one thing to lie to your partner but be honest to others that you're a cheat - it's another to lie to everyone. Sleeping with someone who is a cheat could see my relationships end (it's part of our poly networks rules that we don't meet people who are cheats). So not only are they wrecking their own relationships, they're wrecking mine too. Selfish.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Let us get this straight, 'up front' to someone that they are hoping to have sex with, or 'up front' to the person that they say they love?

Is it the choice of the cheater whether their unsuspecting partner should know, or is it the choice of the partner whether they will accept the situation or not?

We would suggest that the choice of saving a marriage should be made by both partners, not just one. If it is being saved for the sake of any family or children, surely it is even more of a reason that it is a decision made by both informed partners isn't it?

"

I think my post is pretty clear:

Up-front with the person they are planning to meet.

Yes, it is the choice of the individual as to what they decide to do, who they decide to tell and how they decide to manage it.

Saving a marriage depends on the individual's actions (and yes, mutual actions) but these can be very separate things.

And who are we to judge?

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By *loppsyWoman
over a year ago

marlow

I'm married and on here and 'upfront' about it on my profile.

No one is perfect and maybe there are reasons for why we do what we do....and unless people understand then I don't see that they have the right to judge.

Just saying..........I will await the backlash......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We would suggest that the choice of saving a marriage should be made by both partners, not just one. If it is being saved for the sake of any family or children, surely it is even more of a reason that it is a decision made by both informed partners isn't it?

If you don't know the reason a married man/woman is on here I don't see how you can make a judgment about them.

I not saying there is one good reason that allows them the cheat but for them maybe they can see no other choice, your not in they position or walk a mile in they shoes.

It go's with saying you have the right to meet who you want.

There is no judging going on there.

And of course they can meet who they want.

Just a great shame for the unsuspecting partner who believes that they have a faithful and honest partner living with them."

Yep life is never perfect is it,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'm married and on here and 'upfront' about it on my profile.

No one is perfect and maybe there are reasons for why we do what we do....and unless people understand then I don't see that they have the right to judge.

Just saying..........I will await the backlash......"

Precisely - as long as no one gets hurt!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Couldn't care less if someone is married. But if they are here without their partner's consent then they are cheating

I don't meet cheats. It says so on my profile. But they still chance it; pathetic

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think being upfront is the way to go but I don't expect many people to like it. I don't for one second think by being upfront that gets me off. It is just easier that when people do get in contact or reply they know the situation already.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

None of my business but I do wish married men wouldn't state proudly that they're being 'honest' about it when they're lying to their partners. The only reason they're honest is so that people will hopefully tolerate clock-watching, once in a blue moon meetings and not call during Sunday dinner! It's never for any noble reason.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest "

I understand that relationships are not easy to define and that people are not perfect.

To be frank, I do not mind if someone I am meeting is married. There is, in fact, some attraction in that there is less of a likelihood of indiscretion.

However, someone who is cheating and makes a claim of "honesty?" Not a chance. If their understanding of the dictionary is that limited, I would question their intelligence and what else they might be capable of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't care less if someone is married. But if they are here without their partner's consent then they are cheating

I don't meet cheats. It says so on my profile. But they still chance it; pathetic"

What, precisely, are they cheating their spouse out of?

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"Couldn't care less if someone is married. But if they are here without their partner's consent then they are cheating

I don't meet cheats. It says so on my profile. But they still chance it; pathetic

What, precisely, are they cheating their spouse out of?"

A multitude of thing's...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't care less if someone is married. But if they are here without their partner's consent then they are cheating

I don't meet cheats. It says so on my profile. But they still chance it; pathetic

What, precisely, are they cheating their spouse out of?"

The honesty, trust and respect that they should be able to expect from their life partner maybe?

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By *mallteaserWoman
over a year ago

Central

We all make our own choices x

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By *atureandhornyCouple
over a year ago

Liverpool


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

Very true

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


", atleast am honest "

good for you , you know how it works and the reactions

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

There's no similar outrage for the dishonesty of men with profile names Bigboi999stud, whose real name is actually Barry. Or my name! Fuck, I'm not even named after a lipstick in real life at all. What else could I be lying about?

It's really ok not to like married cheating scum, but why does everyone always have a shit over this particular thing?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think "

but then what about the couples on here,are they not getting the job properly at home?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think "

I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think

but then what about the couples on here,are they not getting the job properly at home?"

Fulfilling sexual fantasies maybe?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think "

I don't think that's any more true than it would be for a man.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think

but then what about the couples on here,are they not getting the job properly at home?

Fulfilling sexual fantasies maybe?"

Oh right,so it's different for them then...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What, precisely, are they cheating their spouse out of?

The honesty, trust and respect that they should be able to expect from their life partner maybe?"

There is difference between "cheating" and holding back the truth. I would be surprised if you found a person in a couple that told their partner everything and indeed, that had never lied about anything.

There are many different forces that hold a relationship together and each individual has to balance and juggle what they do and what they say, or don't say, to keep their unique bond, maintain happiness as a couple/family and maintain their own well-being too.

Life is full of compromises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think

I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating."

Agreed! Majority though are either not getting enough or what they do get isn't good enough

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


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There is difference between "cheating" and holding back the truth. I would be surprised if you found a person in a couple that told their partner everything and indeed, that had never lied about anything."

Yes, hello! That's me and my partners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think

I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

Agreed! Majority though are either not getting enough or what they do get isn't good enough "

That's what people say who need to justify poor moral behaviour when they're getting laid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My ability to see the inner workings of someone else's marriage / relationship isn't as finely tuned as other people's, therefore I don't judge anyone's reasons for being here.

Every person on here is doing something that someone else would find unsavoury or immoral, so there really is no high ground to be had.... just different circumstances and mindsets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating."

Now, I would agree with that as 'cheating'. But similarly, it is wrong to assume all married folk on here are cheaters - because they may have very different reasons for looking elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

Now, I would agree with that as 'cheating'. But similarly, it is wrong to assume all married folk on here are cheaters - because they may have very different reasons for looking elsewhere."

I completely agree. I'm not married but I have multiple partners. Many would see that as cheating, but since they're all friends and know about each other I'm not sure it is.

Cheating is when somebody thinks you are doing something and you are not doing that thing, in the context of relationship faithfulness. So if your partner thinks you are monogamous and it turns out you're shagging around, then it's cheating. And it doesn't really matter if you have a 'reason'.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else. "

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest."

In that case, virtually nobody on this site should ever suggest they're honest, because almost everyone will be lying about something. I don't see the same oppobrium lobbed at people for claiming honesty while lying about something else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest."

I consider myself an honest person, but lied to my children for years about the existence of Santa Claus. Even when asked outright one year by my eldest daughter I maintained the lie.

So if we are going by the dictionary definition I'm a dishonest person.

I had no idea

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun."

I think you are confusing 'bohemian and non-judgemental' with 'not wanting to associate with those who lie to get laid'.

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy

Each to their own. We personally wouldn't meet as we both value openness and honesty, especially in our swinging. We would never knowingly help someone be deceitful or do something which would hurt their partner. That said, we have always operated a "don't ask, don't tell policy." We have never asked guys we've played with if they're attached and would not expect them to tell us. If they did let slip tho we would politely decline.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

In that case, virtually nobody on this site should ever suggest they're honest, because almost everyone will be lying about something. I don't see the same oppobrium lobbed at people for claiming honesty while lying about something else. "

Then you agree that claiming "honesty" is a crap thing to do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...I consider myself an honest person, but lied to my children for years about the existence of Santa Claus. Even when asked outright one year by my eldest daughter I maintained the lie.

So if we are going by the dictionary definition I'm a dishonest person.

I had no idea "

You mean Santa doesn't exist?!!!!

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By *imetoexplore69Couple
over a year ago

Aberdeen


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

I consider myself an honest person, but lied to my children for years about the existence of Santa Claus. Even when asked outright one year by my eldest daughter I maintained the lie.

So if we are going by the dictionary definition I'm a dishonest person.

I had no idea "

yea but im pretty sure once they found out they didn't file for divorce, fall into depression and hit the drink due to it .

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun."

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site "

But you are married and have sex with other people.... what happened to the vow "to foresake all others"? To my knowledge, in the wedding vows you don't stipulate that it is ok if you both consent!

To be honest, I don't give a monkeys, as per my original post, we can all justify to ourselves why we are on this site and why we do what we do. However, we are all being selective with the generally accepted 'moral code' of everyday living.

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

Now, I would agree with that as 'cheating'. But similarly, it is wrong to assume all married folk on here are cheaters - because they may have very different reasons for looking elsewhere."

Certainly,but who's to say which of the different reasons are acceptable. When is it ok to cheat?!

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

But you are married and have sex with other people.... what happened to the vow "to foresake all others"? To my knowledge, in the wedding vows you don't stipulate that it is ok if you both consent!

To be honest, I don't give a monkeys, as per my original post, we can all justify to ourselves why we are on this site and why we do what we do. However, we are all being selective with the generally accepted 'moral code' of everyday living."

That's a fucked up argument argument right there. Firstly many of us don't say "forsaking all others" in our vows anymore as its not 1869! Secondly I'm pretty sure this is not a reference to having consensual sex with other people. It says you will not prioritise others over your spouse which I highly doubt any of the true couples on this sight ever would!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

But you are married and have sex with other people.... what happened to the vow "to foresake all others"? To my knowledge, in the wedding vows you don't stipulate that it is ok if you both consent!

To be honest, I don't give a monkeys, as per my original post, we can all justify to ourselves why we are on this site and why we do what we do. However, we are all being selective with the generally accepted 'moral code' of everyday living."

We see moral code of everyday living a lot different to being open and honest to the person you have chosen as your life partner.

But again it is all about perceptions of honesty.

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

But you are married and have sex with other people.... what happened to the vow "to foresake all others"? To my knowledge, in the wedding vows you don't stipulate that it is ok if you both consent!

To be honest, I don't give a monkeys, as per my original post, we can all justify to ourselves why we are on this site and why we do what we do. However, we are all being selective with the generally accepted 'moral code' of everyday living."

Thank you for pointing that out, but those words weren't used in our civil wedding.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Doesn't bother me if someone is married attached or not. We all have our reasons for being here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

I consider myself an honest person, but lied to my children for years about the existence of Santa Claus. Even when asked outright one year by my eldest daughter I maintained the lie.

So if we are going by the dictionary definition I'm a dishonest person.

I had no idea yea but im pretty sure once they found out they didn't file for divorce, fall into depression and hit the drink due to it ."

There's time yet

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over a year ago


"I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

Now, I would agree with that as 'cheating'. But similarly, it is wrong to assume all married folk on here are cheaters - because they may have very different reasons for looking elsewhere.

Certainly,but who's to say which of the different reasons are acceptable. When is it ok to cheat?!"

There is no acceptable reason to cheat just the point when you feel there is no other options left open to you to find the human contact, I am not perfect and I miss it, is this the why I wanted my life to end up well no who would and still haven't crossed that line and may never do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I got no problem that they are here, it is not our problem that their partner cant satisfy them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site "

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me

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By *ivemeyoursoulWoman
over a year ago

Easter just around the corner!


"I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

Now, I would agree with that as 'cheating'. But similarly, it is wrong to assume all married folk on here are cheaters - because they may have very different reasons for looking elsewhere.

Certainly,but who's to say which of the different reasons are acceptable. When is it ok to cheat?!

There is no acceptable reason to cheat just the point when you feel there is no other options left open to you to find the human contact, I am not perfect and I miss it, is this the why I wanted my life to end up well no who would and still haven't crossed that line and may never do it.

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me"

Think most people would agree that deliberately doing something which you know would hurt the person you have sworn your life to and that you are supposed to love is a little immoral and makes you abit of a cunt?!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me

Think most people would agree that deliberately doing something which you know would hurt the person you have sworn your life to and that you are supposed to love is a little immoral and makes you abit of a cunt?! "

Absolutely, me included! But as posted above I don't know the ins and outs of everyone's marriages on here or the circumstances in which they've arrived at this point, therefore who am I to decide they're a cunt? People always assume the other party is some hard done to innocent victim without knowing anything. The only people who truly know what a marriage is like are the two people who are in it, therefore I'll reserve judgement

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me"

I agree with you, which is why I haven't judged anyone, just answered the OP's post. In our eyes, as long as we're honest with each other, were not too worried what others are up to. To be honest, it's the fact that we can enjoy this lifestyle together, that makes it all the more satisfying and fun!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...That's a fucked up argument argument right there. Firstly many of us don't say "forsaking all others" in our vows anymore as its not 1869! Secondly I'm pretty sure this is not a reference to having consensual sex with other people. It says you will not prioritise others over your spouse which I highly doubt any of the true couples on this sight ever would! "

No, "foresake all others" means exactly what it says and as far as I'm aware didn't go out of use in 1869.

Like it or not, UK morals are based on the 10 commandments - so the bits about not committing adultery or coveting thy neighbour's wife still apply.

But I'm an atheist, so what do I know, other than the fact that none of us should judge each other selectively on 'morals'?

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By *asokittyWoman
over a year ago

Nr Worksop


"Wondering what everyone thoughts are married people being here without otherhalfs knowledge, alot of people are attached but try to hide it, atleast am honest

I love how all the married men say at 'least they are honest' Not to the most important person "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...That's a fucked up argument argument right there. Firstly many of us don't say "forsaking all others" in our vows anymore as its not 1869! Secondly I'm pretty sure this is not a reference to having consensual sex with other people. It says you will not prioritise others over your spouse which I highly doubt any of the true couples on this sight ever would!

No, "foresake all others" means exactly what it says and as far as I'm aware didn't go out of use in 1869.

Like it or not, UK morals are based on the 10 commandments - so the bits about not committing adultery or coveting thy neighbour's wife still apply.

But I'm an atheist, so what do I know, other than the fact that none of us should judge each other selectively on 'morals'?

"

You're assuming all couples on here are married, I'm sure most are, but not all....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me

I agree with you, which is why I haven't judged anyone, just answered the OP's post. In our eyes, as long as we're honest with each other, were not too worried what others are up to. To be honest, it's the fact that we can enjoy this lifestyle together, that makes it all the more satisfying and fun! "

Well you have judge people by saying "I think some of us just have morals" but that's by the by.

I am really pleased it all working out well for you and you are happy with your life and long may it work for you,

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me

I agree with you, which is why I haven't judged anyone, just answered the OP's post. In our eyes, as long as we're honest with each other, were not too worried what others are up to. To be honest, it's the fact that we can enjoy this lifestyle together, that makes it all the more satisfying and fun!

Well you have judge people by saying "I think some of us just have morals" but that's by the by.

I am really pleased it all working out well for you and you are happy with your life and long may it work for you, "

Thank you, I was actually responding to the gent from Heathrow's comment, at that point. Thank you for your kind thoughts, we have a great life together and I empathize with those that are not so fortunate as us!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...You're assuming all couples on here are married, I'm sure most are, but not all...."

No, that's different. I just don't think anyone has the right to be judgemental on this site, especially on the basis of their perceived 'moral' high ground.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me

I agree with you, which is why I haven't judged anyone, just answered the OP's post. In our eyes, as long as we're honest with each other, were not too worried what others are up to. To be honest, it's the fact that we can enjoy this lifestyle together, that makes it all the more satisfying and fun!

Well you have judge people by saying "I think some of us just have morals" but that's by the by.

I am really pleased it all working out well for you and you are happy with your life and long may it work for you,

Thank you, I was actually responding to the gent from Heathrow's comment, at that point. Thank you for your kind thoughts, we have a great life together and I empathize with those that are not so fortunate as us! "

It is a lot of work and effort to create a great life together. It takes years and years of communication, honesty and trust.

Well that is how it works for us anyway!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A definite no no for us my lady hates cheaters if unhappy leave don't cheat

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By *eforfuncplCouple
over a year ago

Morecambe

Some would say spineless , bored or both lol

If you unhappy discuss X not the life for everyone we suppose

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"Well, we all have our _iews.

When I joined this site I assumed it would be bohemian and non-judgemental. I soon found out that 'Swingers' can be as self-righteous and judgemental as any other group - with more rules than Rugby Union.

But it's good fun.

I think some of us just have morals, even though we're on a swingers site

Everyone has morals. Just because they don't match someone else's doesn't mean they don't exist.

Some people might (and probably do) say that you don't have any morals because you swing, it doesn't mean they're right. It just means their morals don't match yours. (I don't mean you personally but all couples who are swinging)

Why anyone on a site such as this feel it's necessary or acceptable to judge someone else based on anything they do sexually just astounds me

I agree with you, which is why I haven't judged anyone, just answered the OP's post. In our eyes, as long as we're honest with each other, were not too worried what others are up to. To be honest, it's the fact that we can enjoy this lifestyle together, that makes it all the more satisfying and fun!

Well you have judge people by saying "I think some of us just have morals" but that's by the by.

I am really pleased it all working out well for you and you are happy with your life and long may it work for you,

Thank you, I was actually responding to the gent from Heathrow's comment, at that point. Thank you for your kind thoughts, we have a great life together and I empathize with those that are not so fortunate as us!

It is a lot of work and effort to create a great life together. It takes years and years of communication, honesty and trust.

Well that is how it works for us anyway!"

In a nutshell, as they say!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...You're assuming all couples on here are married, I'm sure most are, but not all....

No, that's different. I just don't think anyone has the right to be judgemental on this site, especially on the basis of their perceived 'moral' high ground."

I don't think it is different, just my opinion, but if you've made a commitment to someone and they are expecting monogamy, then fucking someone else is cheating, if you are fucking someone else with the full consent of your partner it's not cheating. Being married doesn't really have anything to do with it.

I think adultery is different again, a married swinging couple having sex with others are committing adultery, but it's not abusing the others trust in the same way as cheating.

This is how I see it, I'm sure not everyone will agree, even though I know I'm right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Couldn't give a flying fuck what others on here are doing "

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"...You're assuming all couples on here are married, I'm sure most are, but not all....

No, that's different. I just don't think anyone has the right to be judgemental on this site, especially on the basis of their perceived 'moral' high ground.

I don't think it is different, just my opinion, but if you've made a commitment to someone and they are expecting monogamy, then fucking someone else is cheating, if you are fucking someone else with the full consent of your partner it's not cheating. Being married doesn't really have anything to do with it.

I think adultery is different again, a married swinging couple having sex with others are committing adultery, but it's not abusing the others trust in the same way as cheating.

This is how I see it, I'm sure not everyone will agree, even though I know I'm right "

Couldn't have put it better myself!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*wanders in and has a look around*

Mhmm another married folk on fab thread.

Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one and not all of them them smell nice.

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy


"...That's a fucked up argument argument right there. Firstly many of us don't say "forsaking all others" in our vows anymore as its not 1869! Secondly I'm pretty sure this is not a reference to having consensual sex with other people. It says you will not prioritise others over your spouse which I highly doubt any of the true couples on this sight ever would!

No, "foresake all others" means exactly what it says and as far as I'm aware didn't go out of use in 1869.

Like it or not, UK morals are based on the 10 commandments - so the bits about not committing adultery or coveting thy neighbour's wife still apply.

But I'm an atheist, so what do I know, other than the fact that none of us should judge each other selectively on 'morals'?

"

Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

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By *oobs1Woman
over a year ago

Sussex

All here for the very same reason and that is to meet like minded individuals for NSA sex

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By *andsonjohnMan
over a year ago

in the eye of the storm


"There's plenty of "married" women on here too (ok prob not as many as men) but even so....

I would happily please a married/attached woman who isn't getting what she wants from her Husband/Partner. If they were doing the job properly they wouldn't look elsewhere I think

I disagree with that. I used to be a serial cheat. Even if I was getting great sex from my partner I would still cheat. Sometimes people are just cheats because they are cheats and they enjoy cheating.

Agreed! Majority though are either not getting enough or what they do get isn't good enough

That's what people say who need to justify poor moral behaviour when they're getting laid."

Poor moral behavior I've heard it all now so a cheat has no morals so by that assumption they must steel candy from babies money from old people kick cats and dogs don't play there taxes and never buy a round on a night out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wouldn't meet you because of it but wouldn't judge you because of it,our choice,your choice "

Totally agree!!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"...That's a fucked up argument argument right there. Firstly many of us don't say "forsaking all others" in our vows anymore as its not 1869! Secondly I'm pretty sure this is not a reference to having consensual sex with other people. It says you will not prioritise others over your spouse which I highly doubt any of the true couples on this sight ever would!

No, "foresake all others" means exactly what it says and as far as I'm aware didn't go out of use in 1869.

Like it or not, UK morals are based on the 10 commandments - so the bits about not committing adultery or coveting thy neighbour's wife still apply.

But I'm an atheist, so what do I know, other than the fact that none of us should judge each other selectively on 'morals'?

Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended! "

Hey! Very eloquently put.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"Couldn't care less if someone is married. But if they are here without their partner's consent then they are cheating

I don't meet cheats. It says so on my profile. But they still chance it; pathetic

What, precisely, are they cheating their spouse out of?"

Trust; the basis of any relationship

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally i been cheated on and it sucks the foundation of any relationship is trust and honesty without this a relationship isnt worth having anyway

Id love to say im not judging but i am and i make no apologies for it, for all the excuses that are given and reasons put forward for all the people who say "you dont know why i do it" i say 1 thing

I do know why you cheat.... Because you dont have the courage to be honest with yourself and your unfortunate partner

Mr

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"*wanders in and has a look around*

Mhmm another married folk on fab thread.

Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one and not all of them them smell nice.

*strolls back out*"

Never fear, next time you stroll in we will be up to 175 posts!

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford

OP, thanks for starting an interesting discussion!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended! "

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

In that case, virtually nobody on this site should ever suggest they're honest, because almost everyone will be lying about something. I don't see the same oppobrium lobbed at people for claiming honesty while lying about something else.

Then you agree that claiming "honesty" is a crap thing to do?"

No, I don't give a shit. If someone says on here they are being honest, I take that as it's clearly intended, which is that they're being honest with me about the things which might affect me here, not that they tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in every single aspect of their life.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what they lie about which doesn't involve or affect me.

It's completely obvious what they mean, but jumping at everyone who dares to use the word "honest" appears to be the new approach to curry favour with all the embittered cheated exes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

In that case, virtually nobody on this site should ever suggest they're honest, because almost everyone will be lying about something. I don't see the same oppobrium lobbed at people for claiming honesty while lying about something else.

Then you agree that claiming "honesty" is a crap thing to do?

No, I don't give a shit. If someone says on here they are being honest, I take that as it's clearly intended, which is that they're being honest with me about the things which might affect me here, not that they tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in every single aspect of their life.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what they lie about which doesn't involve or affect me.

It's completely obvious what they mean, but jumping at everyone who dares to use the word "honest" appears to be the new approach to curry favour with all the embittered cheated exes. "

It is nothing to do with currying favour. As I have already said, I really don't mind meeting married people. I simply balk at married people claiming that they are honest. They are not so should not claim to be.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here."

What has brought them here is sex

Most couples here are married or in a committed relationship. What brings them here is sex too. But they are not lying to the other; "just popping down to Sainbury's for a sarnie"

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over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

In that case, virtually nobody on this site should ever suggest they're honest, because almost everyone will be lying about something. I don't see the same oppobrium lobbed at people for claiming honesty while lying about something else.

Then you agree that claiming "honesty" is a crap thing to do?

No, I don't give a shit. If someone says on here they are being honest, I take that as it's clearly intended, which is that they're being honest with me about the things which might affect me here, not that they tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in every single aspect of their life.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what they lie about which doesn't involve or affect me.

It's completely obvious what they mean, but jumping at everyone who dares to use the word "honest" appears to be the new approach to curry favour with all the embittered cheated exes.

It is nothing to do with currying favour. As I have already said, I really don't mind meeting married people. I simply balk at married people claiming that they are honest. They are not so should not claim to be."

Because 'couples' tell each other absolutely everything and don't have any secrets from each other, honest!

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over a year ago


"The outrage over use of the word honest or upfront really amuses me. Everyone knows EXACTLY what is meant by it, which is that they are being honest about a specific situation to a specific group of people. Being "honest" about one thing doesn't preclude you from being a complete liar about something else.

Well, according to the dictionary, honesty is telling the truth. Lying is not telling the truth. So, being honest about one thing does preclude you from being a liar about something else, if you claim that you are honest.

In that case, virtually nobody on this site should ever suggest they're honest, because almost everyone will be lying about something. I don't see the same oppobrium lobbed at people for claiming honesty while lying about something else.

Then you agree that claiming "honesty" is a crap thing to do?

No, I don't give a shit. If someone says on here they are being honest, I take that as it's clearly intended, which is that they're being honest with me about the things which might affect me here, not that they tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth in every single aspect of their life.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what they lie about which doesn't involve or affect me.

It's completely obvious what they mean, but jumping at everyone who dares to use the word "honest" appears to be the new approach to curry favour with all the embittered cheated exes.

It is nothing to do with currying favour. As I have already said, I really don't mind meeting married people. I simply balk at married people claiming that they are honest. They are not so should not claim to be."

For you, maybe. For others it's clearly about currying favour in public, while behaving entirely differently in private messages, and I balk at that.

Do you similarly challenge anyone who claims to be being honest with you, if there's a suggestion they may be lying about something in their life which doesn't affect you?

I have no problem with anyone not wanting to meet married people, or not wanting them on the site. But I like consistency. If it's such an abomination in one scenario, why isn't it in others.

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over a year ago


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here."

Isn't it quite simple?

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here."

"Try googling it" - great way to win a debate

Why do you keep quoting something you call "the morality of the UK" while in the same post saying that we all have different concepts of what is acceptable?

I think it is you who is missing a few points here not us and referring to a fictional entity is hardly a great way to prove your point.

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over a year ago


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here.

Isn't it quite simple?

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

"

Then EVERY married person in here that has sex with someone other than their spouse, whether in a consenting relationship or not, is an adulterer. And anyone that says they are totally honest with their partner is almost certainly a liar (and therefore, also a cheat!)

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here.

Isn't it quite simple?

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

Then EVERY married person in here that has sex with someone other than their spouse, whether in a consenting relationship or not, is an adulterer. And anyone that says they are totally honest with their partner is almost certainly a liar (and therefore, also a cheat!)"

You must have had some shit relationships in your life mate! Feel quite sorry for you to be honest!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley


"...Foresake does not imply sex! It is word that has no sexual connotation what so ever. when taken to mean renounce or give-up (which is what it means btw) you may be renouncing letting others into your heart, not your body! It is an ambiguous line that says nothing of consensual sex between partners.

And as for whatever these "UK morals" you speak of are, I would love to see where the Uk moral code is written down so if you have a copy please feel free to forward it to me. If by this you mean the commonly held values of our society, these are the basis for what our laws are built on and I think you will find that swinging is not against the law. Cheating may not be either however it is (and always has been) a justification to end a legally binding marriage while consensual sex between couples is not! If you are trying to preach some written code of morals therefore you are quite clearly wrong. Either way you look at it, coming on a swingers site and calling swingers immoral to make yourself or anyone else feel better about cheating is pretty fucking stupid! No offence intended!

Foresake, in the context of religious vows is all about fidelity/infidelity. Try googling it.

The morality (and law) of the UK is all based on Christian morals and thus on the 10 Commandments (at least I thought so, before the latest Tory Party Conference - but don't get me started!)

It is not a question of declaring Swingers as immoral, you have completely missed the point. It is my _iew that we all have our reasons for being here and doing what we do and we can all choose what we do and with whom. What we justify as acceptable may be completely unacceptable to others. But let's not call people "cheaters" when we have no idea what has brought them here.

Isn't it quite simple?

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

Then EVERY married person in here that has sex with someone other than their spouse, whether in a consenting relationship or not, is an adulterer. And anyone that says they are totally honest with their partner is almost certainly a liar (and therefore, also a cheat!)"

The most you can stretch that to is that they are both committing adultery. But they are committing adultery whilst together, with others, or if separately, then with each other's consent.

They are not cheating on each other by meeting behind the other's back

Cheaters, on the other hand, lie to their partners about where they were for the last 3 hours (or an hour, in case of a 'quickie') or the extra-efficient 'quickie' during their lunch break at work

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over a year ago


"...You must have had some shit relationships in your life mate! Feel quite sorry for you to be honest!"

I point out the flaws in this silly name-calling and attempts to take some sort of moral high ground and you conclude that I've had bad relationships? Continue with your eloquent logic, I'm all ears...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

Then EVERY married person in here that has sex with someone other than their spouse, whether in a consenting relationship or not, is an adulterer. And anyone that says they are totally honest with their partner is almost certainly a liar (and therefore, also a cheat!)"

Nope. Only if your partner(s) don't know.

If your partners know that you are having sex with others, and if they consent to that behaviour, then it's not cheating.

Adultery is the word for having sex outside of your marriage. Cheating is the word for doing it without your partners consent.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

Then EVERY married person in here that has sex with someone other than their spouse, whether in a consenting relationship or not, is an adulterer. And anyone that says they are totally honest with their partner is almost certainly a liar (and therefore, also a cheat!)

Nope. Only if your partner(s) don't know.

If your partners know that you are having sex with others, and if they consent to that behaviour, then it's not cheating.

Adultery is the word for having sex outside of your marriage. Cheating is the word for doing it without your partners consent."

I think we all know what the words mean, I'm still struggling to see why anyone should be judged for having different morals, on here of all places

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm married! Good eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

Cheaters, on the other hand, lie to their partners about where they were for the last 3 hours (or an hour, in case of a 'quickie') or the extra-efficient 'quickie' during their lunch break at work

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What? There's a time sheet?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

Cheaters, on the other hand, lie to their partners about where they were for the last 3 hours (or an hour, in case of a 'quickie') or the extra-efficient 'quickie' during their lunch break at work

What? There's a time sheet? "

Not always

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By *amissCouple
over a year ago

chelmsford


"I'm married! Good eh? "

Yeah but are you cheating!?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


".

Cheaters, on the other hand, lie to their partners about where they were for the last 3 hours (or an hour, in case of a 'quickie') or the extra-efficient 'quickie' during their lunch break at work

What? There's a time sheet?

Not always "

Phew saves me some paperwork

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By *hrisANtifCouple
over a year ago

Napoli, Italy


"...You must have had some shit relationships in your life mate! Feel quite sorry for you to be honest!

I point out the flaws in this silly name-calling and attempts to take some sort of moral high ground and you conclude that I've had bad relationships? Continue with your eloquent logic, I'm all ears..."

Haha! You're actually quite funny! Throughout this thread you continually repeat that all couples lie to eachother about stuff! If that's you're experience then yea mate, I would say you've had some shit relationships!

Anyway I'm pretty bored of this now, cheat, don't cheat, it's no skin of my nose! Just know that most of polite society loathe cheats and hopefully all who do will get found out and will get what's coming to them!

Ciao-Bello!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

They are cheaters if they have a partner who does not know that they are on here looking for sex with others. The reasons are a different thing, however they are still cheaters.

Then EVERY married person in here that has sex with someone other than their spouse, whether in a consenting relationship or not, is an adulterer. And anyone that says they are totally honest with their partner is almost certainly a liar (and therefore, also a cheat!)

Nope. Only if your partner(s) don't know.

If your partners know that you are having sex with others, and if they consent to that behaviour, then it's not cheating.

Adultery is the word for having sex outside of your marriage. Cheating is the word for doing it without your partners consent."

I don't think you or I will convince anyone to change their opinion. Some of us think it doesn't matter as long as they have explained their situation to me, others don't care and some are clearly appalled.

But it all helped brighten up an otherwise dull day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm married! Good eh? "

Yeah but are you cheating!?

Nah, the ole' slapper is on here somewhere..

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