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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham

I don't worry too much for myself. I'm very aware of the need for regular cervical smears and never miss mine.

I do worry for younger women though.

Cervical smears don't start these days until the age of 25. Even though there is now a vaccination against HPV it is not totally effective and young women are dying because they are not having smear tests early enough to find the cancer.

I know someone who had to have treatment following an abnormal smear test as a teenager. If she had been made to wait until she was 25 to have a smear test she would have died of cervical cancer.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"I don't worry too much for myself. I'm very aware of the need for regular cervical smears and never miss mine.

I do worry for younger women though.

Cervical smears don't start these days until the age of 25. Even though there is now a vaccination against HPV it is not totally effective and young women are dying because they are not having smear tests early enough to find the cancer.

I know someone who had to have treatment following an abnormal smear test as a teenager. If she had been made to wait until she was 25 to have a smear test she would have died of cervical cancer."

Thanks for your reply. So do you just so it as an acceptable life risk given the probability that it's unlikely to be life threatening once detected early?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, I knew all about hpv by the time I first had sex with Marc. My gynecologist told me all about it when they explained the vaccine. I was sexually active but hadn't had more than one partner so it was pertinent.

I think it may be something that women are educated about to a greater degree because of regular trips to the gynecologist, which I've personally had since I was 16.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Yes, I knew all about hpv by the time I first had sex with Marc. My gynecologist told me all about it when they explained the vaccine. I was sexually active but hadn't had more than one partner so it was pertinent.

I think it may be something that women are educated about to a greater degree because of regular trips to the gynecologist, which I've personally had since I was 16."

OK, maybe showing my male ignorance then. So is it just a case of occupational hazard then?

The thing is that we've always been able to proudly say "we're clean, we get tested, here's our results if you want to see them".

But now I realise the tests didn't even cover HPV so can't really make that claim with the same confidence anymore...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive? "

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

would any men stop fucking if they found out they could pass on cervical cancer anyway?

i guess that's why they don't test men, imagine the guilt some would have and others wouldn't care. plus all the onus on this cancer is on women seeing as we get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

HPV is also known to cause penile, anal and oropharyngeal cancers, so it's not just an issue for women.

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By *obbytupperMan
over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

My sister went to the Dr's with abdominal pains and was diagnosed with irritable bowel syndrome.

She visited two other Dr's in the same practise who each took the first ones lead. It wasn't until a locum came to cover for holidays, that she was rushed for an emergency hysterectomy.

Sadly it was too late and she died of cervical cancer three years later.

Don't be fobbed off ladies, demand an examination.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"HPV is also known to cause penile, anal and oropharyngeal cancers, so it's not just an issue for women."

True but the rates are very low

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By *orkie321bWoman
over a year ago

Nottingham


"I don't worry too much for myself. I'm very aware of the need for regular cervical smears and never miss mine.

I do worry for younger women though.

Cervical smears don't start these days until the age of 25. Even though there is now a vaccination against HPV it is not totally effective and young women are dying because they are not having smear tests early enough to find the cancer.

I know someone who had to have treatment following an abnormal smear test as a teenager. If she had been made to wait until she was 25 to have a smear test she would have died of cervical cancer.

Thanks for your reply. So do you just so it as an acceptable life risk given the probability that it's unlikely to be life threatening once detected early? "

For me i see it as i am likely to have it already by now so there is no point worrying about it.

I have been sexually active for over 20 years so at some point it's likely i was exposed to it.

I play safe and get tested, via smears and regular gum clinic visits. There is nothing more i can do to protect myself or others apart from becoming celibate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice"

But if condoms don't stop it...

What's to say you've not been passed it by one of your 5 percent?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I don't worry too much for myself. I'm very aware of the need for regular cervical smears and never miss mine.

I do worry for younger women though.

Cervical smears don't start these days until the age of 25. Even though there is now a vaccination against HPV it is not totally effective and young women are dying because they are not having smear tests early enough to find the cancer.

I know someone who had to have treatment following an abnormal smear test as a teenager. If she had been made to wait until she was 25 to have a smear test she would have died of cervical cancer.

Thanks for your reply. So do you just so it as an acceptable life risk given the probability that it's unlikely to be life threatening once detected early?

For me i see it as i am likely to have it already by now so there is no point worrying about it.

I have been sexually active for over 20 years so at some point it's likely i was exposed to it.

I play safe and get tested, via smears and regular gum clinic visits. There is nothing more i can do to protect myself or others apart from becoming celibate."

My thinking also, celibacy is the only way to avoid it, I'm not going for that, so playing safe-ish and regular smear testing is the route.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice

But if condoms don't stop it...

What's to say you've not been passed it by one of your 5 percent? "

In most cases, your body can naturally clear it within 1 or 2 years. So if you were both monogamous, then the problem would solve itself.

For swingers it's a different matter

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice

But if condoms don't stop it...

What's to say you've not been passed it by one of your 5 percent?

In most cases, your body can naturally clear it within 1 or 2 years. So if you were both monogamous, then the problem would solve itself.

For swingers it's a different matter "

Given the number of people who wrongly believe themselves to be in a monogamous relationship, I don't think anyone sexually active can consider themselves safe, also the cancer can take over a decade to develop.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice

But if condoms don't stop it...

What's to say you've not been passed it by one of your 5 percent?

In most cases, your body can naturally clear it within 1 or 2 years. So if you were both monogamous, then the problem would solve itself.

For swingers it's a different matter

Given the number of people who wrongly believe themselves to be in a monogamous relationship, I don't think anyone sexually active can consider themselves safe, also the cancer can take over a decade to develop."

This is true. So what do you think the ethics of this are then?

For example, if we had the clap (we don't) but if we did, we would tell our potential partners and let them make a choice about whether they want to play or not (with condoms).

Do you think HPV is just another thing like that, that you should tell a potential partner about? The main difference is that we're only going to know once a year whether we have HPV whilst we got for 4+ GUM clinic visits a year.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice

But if condoms don't stop it...

What's to say you've not been passed it by one of your 5 percent?

In most cases, your body can naturally clear it within 1 or 2 years. So if you were both monogamous, then the problem would solve itself.

For swingers it's a different matter

Given the number of people who wrongly believe themselves to be in a monogamous relationship, I don't think anyone sexually active can consider themselves safe, also the cancer can take over a decade to develop.

This is true. So what do you think the ethics of this are then?

For example, if we had the clap (we don't) but if we did, we would tell our potential partners and let them make a choice about whether they want to play or not (with condoms).

Do you think HPV is just another thing like that, that you should tell a potential partner about? The main difference is that we're only going to know once a year whether we have HPV whilst we got for 4+ GUM clinic visits a year. "

I think that depending on others to tell you their status is naive in the extreme.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"

This is true. So what do you think the ethics of this are then?

For example, if we had the clap (we don't) but if we did, we would tell our potential partners and let them make a choice about whether they want to play or not (with condoms).

Do you think HPV is just another thing like that, that you should tell a potential partner about? The main difference is that we're only going to know once a year whether we have HPV whilst we got for 4+ GUM clinic visits a year.

I think that depending on others to tell you their status is naive in the extreme. "

We use condoms when we swap anyway regardless of what people tell us. I guess the difference here is that condoms aren't going to stop HPV. So it's sounding like this is an occupational hazard that swingers just have to accept and get an annual smear test?

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By *akeyousmile30Man
over a year ago

greenwich


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive? "

That's it then NO more sex for you!!

Also stay inside as a lump of frozen piss might fall off a jumbo jet due to a leaking sewage tank and hit you on the head and kill you dead.

From the moment we are born we are going to die, life is the journey not about getting there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"

This is true. So what do you think the ethics of this are then?

For example, if we had the clap (we don't) but if we did, we would tell our potential partners and let them make a choice about whether they want to play or not (with condoms).

Do you think HPV is just another thing like that, that you should tell a potential partner about? The main difference is that we're only going to know once a year whether we have HPV whilst we got for 4+ GUM clinic visits a year.

I think that depending on others to tell you their status is naive in the extreme.

We use condoms when we swap anyway regardless of what people tell us. I guess the difference here is that condoms aren't going to stop HPV. So it's sounding like this is an occupational hazard that swingers just have to accept and get an annual smear test? "

Not just swingers, every woman who is or has been sexually active.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

Yes I wasn't aware of all this it's why when people say "I always play safe so I'll be fine" I usually correct them and say you play safer not safe as condoms only prevent certain stds not all.

If your sexually active for christs sake get educated and regularly checked. The advised time frame for that should be every 3 months unless you've not been sexually active within that timeframe from when last tested

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

So the consensus seems to be that it's one of those risks that you take. Given the ease of transmission most women should be getting an annual smear test anyway.

Seems that the women are more educated on the subject already than us men

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By *elma and ShaggyCouple
over a year ago

Bedworth


"So the consensus seems to be that it's one of those risks that you take. Given the ease of transmission most women should be getting an annual smear test anyway.

Seems that the women are more educated on the subject already than us men "

Women only get an annual smear if they've had issues in the past and need closer monitoring. Otherwise they will get a smear every 3 years.

Myself for example have had laser treatment in my late teens and also early stage cervical cancer successfully treated in my 30's. I'm now on an annual recall for life

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"So the consensus seems to be that it's one of those risks that you take. Given the ease of transmission most women should be getting an annual smear test anyway.

Seems that the women are more educated on the subject already than us men

Women only get an annual smear if they've had issues in the past and need closer monitoring. Otherwise they will get a smear every 3 years.

Myself for example have had laser treatment in my late teens and also early stage cervical cancer successfully treated in my 30's. I'm now on an annual recall for life"

Do you mind saying what the treatment process was? Did you need to take time off work for it to recover?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As a man, my knowledge of cervical cancer was never great. But during a routine trip to the GUM clinic, a conversation came up with the nurse that made me realise a few things I hadn't appreciated.

I've been for regular sexual health tests as long as I've been sexually active, but as a man they don't actually test for HPV. 90% of cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV, needless to say that men don't get cervical cancer, but we can still pass HPV to our partners.

Here are the facts about HPV as I understand them:

- There are over 140 different types, 7 or so are linked to cancer.

- The ones linked to cancer are not linked to genital warts.

- HPV is the most common STD. Condoms do not stop it.

- Around 80% of people will get one form of HPV in their life

- There is no treatment for HPV, vaccines were introduced in 2008

- Your body can naturally fight HPV, but your ability to do this reduces after you are 30

- Only 1 or 2% of women who get HPV will develop cervical cancer, but swingers are a higher risk group so it could be more since most people stop having (as many) multiple partners as they get older and their immune system decreases

- Your chance of dying from cervical cancer is pretty low, especially if the cancer detected early

- Men are about 13x more likely to die from prostate cancer than women are likely to die from cervical cancer, there is no known way to prevent this

I guess I was pretty shocked to learn that there's an STD that condoms don't stop, there's no test for (men) and no treatment.

What are people's views on this? Is it just an acceptable risk of swinging? Did other people know all this and I was just naive?

I insist on condoms.for sex AND oral and restrict sex to only those I have formed a relationship with. 95% of my meets will only ever be social. This is MY choice

But if condoms don't stop it...

What's to say you've not been passed it by one of your 5 percent? "

Who can really say with 100% certainty that you won't catch anything- nobofy....unless you are totally celibate. There are risks in everything but I prefer to take an informed decision to minimise MY risk!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Think I will become a nun and a born again virgin

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By *aeganaWoman
over a year ago

birmingham

stage 1 cervical cancer patient here not thru std I might add it happens my mom had it just runs in my family glad to say treatment is going well though. I play safe always get tested and have smears every 3 months its just something us woman have to deal with.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

HPV doesn't just cause cervical cancer, it's responsible for rising rates of oral and anal cancers too. I think boys should have the HPV vaccine as well as girls for these reasons.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

That's another regular forum couples that bit the dust dropping Iike flies lately,

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley


"HPV doesn't just cause cervical cancer, it's responsible for rising rates of oral and anal cancers too. I think boys should have the HPV vaccine as well as girls for these reasons."

Will a sexual health clinic offer the vaccine to men?

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