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"I think this kind of attitude shows both a lack of respect and a lack of understanding for what swinging actually is. It also says a lot about the guy, that he's happy to run around fucking people but couldn't accept his partner doing the same betrays a level of hypocrisy Beard" | |||
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"I've lost count of the number of times I've read single women say the same and couples where only one half is allowed to play as the other doesn't want to share, but heaven forbid single men say the same thing! " Like many threads on Fab, it works just as well to swap the word "man", "woman" or "couple" for the phrase "some people". Some people have issues sharing. Simples Mr ddc | |||
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"I've lost count of the number of times I've read single women say the same and couples where only one half is allowed to play as the other doesn't want to share, but heaven forbid single men say the same thing! Like many threads on Fab, it works just as well to swap the word "man", "woman" or "couple" for the phrase "some people". Some people have issues sharing. Simples Mr ddc" In evolutionary psychology, it's to be expected that men would find sharing harder than women. | |||
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"His loss though. Missing all the fun his choice though too " I agree but he should show the same courtesy. Basically if you think about it he was basically talking down about the couple he had just played with. | |||
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"I've lost count of the number of times I've read single women say the same and couples where only one half is allowed to play as the other doesn't want to share, but heaven forbid single men say the same thing! Like many threads on Fab, it works just as well to swap the word "man", "woman" or "couple" for the phrase "some people". Some people have issues sharing. Simples Mr ddc In evolutionary psychology, it's to be expected that men would find sharing harder than women. " Really? I would have thought that from an evolutionary perspective it would be harder for the female to have an open relationship. But as an engineer I was out of my depth by your third word. | |||
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"His loss though. Missing all the fun his choice though too I agree but he should show the same courtesy. Basically if you think about it he was basically talking down about the couple he had just played with. " We've had this said to us at a greedy girl event, guy played then smilingly said "I'd never let my Mrs do this" , felt quite insulted | |||
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"His loss though. Missing all the fun his choice though too I agree but he should show the same courtesy. Basically if you think about it he was basically talking down about the couple he had just played with. " i dont see it that way, obviously we dont know the fella or wot context he was saying it in but i dont see a problem, doin it for 'courtesy' sake isnt the reason any1 should do anything x | |||
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"I think there are two very different dynamics at play: joining an existing couple is very different to sharing your own partner. Just because a person is comfortable with one doesn't mean to say they would, or should as what's being suggested here, be comfortable with the other. I have joined couples in the past and have great respect for any relationships where swinging works. However I'm 99% certain that if I was in a relationship again I would not be swinging with my partner. I don't see how that's hypocritical at all, as they are two very different activities for me to take part in with very different dynamics at play. " better than iv just put it! lol | |||
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"His loss though. Missing all the fun his choice though too I agree but he should show the same courtesy. Basically if you think about it he was basically talking down about the couple he had just played with. i dont see it that way, obviously we dont know the fella or wot context he was saying it in but i dont see a problem, doin it for 'courtesy' sake isnt the reason any1 should do anything x" Well, like you say. His life, his choice but like the couple said above me, if the lady in question had heard that she would be pure insulted. | |||
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"I think there are two very different dynamics at play: joining an existing couple is very different to sharing your own partner. Just because a person is comfortable with one doesn't mean to say they would, or should as what's being suggested here, be comfortable with the other. I have joined couples in the past and have great respect for any relationships where swinging works. However I'm 99% certain that if I was in a relationship again I would not be swinging with my partner. I don't see how that's hypocritical at all, as they are two very different activities for me to take part in with very different dynamics at play. " That sounds as though you wouldn't be swinging alone either? I think the issue here is when people have one rule for themselves and another for their partner. | |||
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"I think there are two very different dynamics at play: joining an existing couple is very different to sharing your own partner. Just because a person is comfortable with one doesn't mean to say they would, or should as what's being suggested here, be comfortable with the other. I have joined couples in the past and have great respect for any relationships where swinging works. However I'm 99% certain that if I was in a relationship again I would not be swinging with my partner. I don't see how that's hypocritical at all, as they are two very different activities for me to take part in with very different dynamics at play. " There is a difference between saying 'I'd never let my girlfriend/wife do this' and 'I wouldnt be comfortable to do this if I were in a relationship'. The first statement would jar if said to me. The second statement is understandable. | |||
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"I think there are two very different dynamics at play: joining an existing couple is very different to sharing your own partner. Just because a person is comfortable with one doesn't mean to say they would, or should as what's being suggested here, be comfortable with the other. I have joined couples in the past and have great respect for any relationships where swinging works. However I'm 99% certain that if I was in a relationship again I would not be swinging with my partner. I don't see how that's hypocritical at all, as they are two very different activities for me to take part in with very different dynamics at play. That sounds as though you wouldn't be swinging alone either? I think the issue here is when people have one rule for themselves and another for their partner." no the issue was/is the lady felt insulted as his preference was/is not to share his partner, i dont think she should take it as a insult, thats his choice. | |||
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"I think there are two very different dynamics at play: joining an existing couple is very different to sharing your own partner. Just because a person is comfortable with one doesn't mean to say they would, or should as what's being suggested here, be comfortable with the other. I have joined couples in the past and have great respect for any relationships where swinging works. However I'm 99% certain that if I was in a relationship again I would not be swinging with my partner. I don't see how that's hypocritical at all, as they are two very different activities for me to take part in with very different dynamics at play. That sounds as though you wouldn't be swinging alone either? I think the issue here is when people have one rule for themselves and another for their partner." Yeah maybe I've picked that up wrong.... I assumed the guy was single and was saying if he had a girlfriend he wouldn't do it? My bad | |||
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"I think there are two very different dynamics at play: joining an existing couple is very different to sharing your own partner. Just because a person is comfortable with one doesn't mean to say they would, or should as what's being suggested here, be comfortable with the other. I have joined couples in the past and have great respect for any relationships where swinging works. However I'm 99% certain that if I was in a relationship again I would not be swinging with my partner. I don't see how that's hypocritical at all, as they are two very different activities for me to take part in with very different dynamics at play. There is a difference between saying 'I'd never let my girlfriend/wife do this' and 'I wouldnt be comfortable to do this if I were in a relationship'. The first statement would jar if said to me. The second statement is understandable." Yeah I totally agree that way, particularly if he's currently in a relationship | |||
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"There is a difference between saying 'I'd never let my girlfriend/wife do this' and 'I wouldnt be comfortable to do this if I were in a relationship'. The first statement would jar if said to me. The second statement is understandable." This. I suppose it depends on how a person views swinging though. I see clubs/ full swap as a fab activity you can do together. Whereas others would see it as threatening | |||
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"I've lost count of the number of times I've read single women say the same and couples where only one half is allowed to play as the other doesn't want to share, but heaven forbid single men say the same thing! Like many threads on Fab, it works just as well to swap the word "man", "woman" or "couple" for the phrase "some people". Some people have issues sharing. Simples Mr ddc In evolutionary psychology, it's to be expected that men would find sharing harder than women. Really? I would have thought that from an evolutionary perspective it would be harder for the female to have an open relationship. But as an engineer I was out of my depth by your third word. " The theory is that men and women had / have theee major differences driving different incentives as we evolved. 1. Women have an inherent limit on the number of children they can produce 2. Women carry more of the burden of raising children 3. Women are never in doubt about whether they are the mother of their baby Putting them together. It's a more success reproductive strategy for a woman to share a man with other women, providing he can provide enough resources to all of them. The man is only really limited by the resources he can provide to help women with problem 2. Therefore, the key to his successful reproduction is to ensure that the children he dedicates resources to, are indeed his. Hence jealousy works well to support the optimal reproductive strategy for men, but works against women. So in theory, men should be more jealous than women. There are certainly a lot more polygamous cultures than any other, which supports the theory. | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected." So in your view, countries where polygamy is the norm don't have people that love each other? | |||
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"This is one of the most off putting attitudes some single guys have! " If they have gf/partner....they are not single? | |||
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"This is one of the most off putting attitudes some single guys have! If they have gf/partner....they are not single?" I don't think he does. I think he was saying If/when he does xx | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected. So in your view, countries where polygamy is the norm don't have people that love each other? " I said one to one is my preference, what other people do is not my business. For the record l come from a country where polygamy is legal and there are polygamous marriages in my family so I have my own view of polygamy. | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected." I think that you have totally nailed this. All couples are different and we should not judge or put our standards on others however ... Personally I would find it hard to understand why someone is in the lifestyle in any sense but keeps their partner out of it. Your BYO comment really chimed with my thinking. There will always be exceptions though but I think that is the staring point. Mr Clasay | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected. So in your view, countries where polygamy is the norm don't have people that love each other? I said one to one is my preference, what other people do is not my business. For the record l come from a country where polygamy is legal and there are polygamous marriages in my family so I have my own view of polygamy." So what's your view on polygamy? | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected. So in your view, countries where polygamy is the norm don't have people that love each other? I said one to one is my preference, what other people do is not my business. For the record l come from a country where polygamy is legal and there are polygamous marriages in my family so I have my own view of polygamy. So what's your view on polygamy? " It can work in a society that is geared for polygamy but unless the husband is dominant and completely impartial it is recipe for misery where one wife is preferred to another or one child of the other. An uncle of mine who died recently. He had 6 wives and 15 children between them and left no will. The fallout is horrendous. When the children were young things were ok, but as they got older the children naturally want the best for their mothers so it became very divisive. All l can say l have found it difficult keeping one woman happy, polygamy in my mind is a function of old world religious thinking where women were commodities. The most famous examples are in the Old Testament very few of the polygamous marriages there work. | |||
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"Surely it's up to her not him He has to agree or it's cheating. " He already is | |||
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"I've lost count of the number of times I've read single women say the same and couples where only one half is allowed to play as the other doesn't want to share, but heaven forbid single men say the same thing! Like many threads on Fab, it works just as well to swap the word "man", "woman" or "couple" for the phrase "some people". Some people have issues sharing. Simples Mr ddc In evolutionary psychology, it's to be expected that men would find sharing harder than women. Really? I would have thought that from an evolutionary perspective it would be harder for the female to have an open relationship. But as an engineer I was out of my depth by your third word. The theory is that men and women had / have theee major differences driving different incentives as we evolved. 1. Women have an inherent limit on the number of children they can produce 2. Women carry more of the burden of raising children 3. Women are never in doubt about whether they are the mother of their baby Putting them together. It's a more success reproductive strategy for a woman to share a man with other women, providing he can provide enough resources to all of them. The man is only really limited by the resources he can provide to help women with problem 2. Therefore, the key to his successful reproduction is to ensure that the children he dedicates resources to, are indeed his. Hence jealousy works well to support the optimal reproductive strategy for men, but works against women. So in theory, men should be more jealous than women. There are certainly a lot more polygamous cultures than any other, which supports the theory. " great post from a great mind | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected. So in your view, countries where polygamy is the norm don't have people that love each other? I said one to one is my preference, what other people do is not my business. For the record l come from a country where polygamy is legal and there are polygamous marriages in my family so I have my own view of polygamy. So what's your view on polygamy? It can work in a society that is geared for polygamy but unless the husband is dominant and completely impartial it is recipe for misery where one wife is preferred to another or one child of the other. An uncle of mine who died recently. He had 6 wives and 15 children between them and left no will. The fallout is horrendous. When the children were young things were ok, but as they got older the children naturally want the best for their mothers so it became very divisive. All l can say l have found it difficult keeping one woman happy, polygamy in my mind is a function of old world religious thinking where women were commodities. The most famous examples are in the Old Testament very few of the polygamous marriages there work. " So your view isn't that non-mongamous marriages don't have love. It's that you personally wouldn't want a non-mongamous marriage with someone you love? | |||
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"I've lost count of the number of times I've read single women say the same and couples where only one half is allowed to play as the other doesn't want to share, but heaven forbid single men say the same thing! Like many threads on Fab, it works just as well to swap the word "man", "woman" or "couple" for the phrase "some people". Some people have issues sharing. Simples Mr ddc In evolutionary psychology, it's to be expected that men would find sharing harder than women. Really? I would have thought that from an evolutionary perspective it would be harder for the female to have an open relationship. But as an engineer I was out of my depth by your third word. The theory is that men and women had / have theee major differences driving different incentives as we evolved. 1. Women have an inherent limit on the number of children they can produce 2. Women carry more of the burden of raising children 3. Women are never in doubt about whether they are the mother of their baby Putting them together. It's a more success reproductive strategy for a woman to share a man with other women, providing he can provide enough resources to all of them. The man is only really limited by the resources he can provide to help women with problem 2. Therefore, the key to his successful reproduction is to ensure that the children he dedicates resources to, are indeed his. Hence jealousy works well to support the optimal reproductive strategy for men, but works against women. So in theory, men should be more jealous than women. There are certainly a lot more polygamous cultures than any other, which supports the theory. great post from a great mind " Lol, it's just reciting someone else's theory from a book! But thanks all the same | |||
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"My view of love is one person with another to the exclusion of all others. I would not be interested in swinging if l was in love. Anyone else's view of love is not my business. However l completely understand for the following reasons why couples would not want to swing with someone who swings and has a partner but does not allow the partner to swing. Firstly the couple are rightly concerned that the swinging woman is seen as a disposable slut and inferior to the other person's wife. Secondly is simply the idea of playing with like minded people and thirdly the BYO principle if a couple want to play, both partners want a member of the opposite sex to play with as well. The problem is that some people express the position as if the partner us a commodity. Some people would say if it is sex does it matter, but everone is entitled to respect and feel respected. So in your view, countries where polygamy is the norm don't have people that love each other? I said one to one is my preference, what other people do is not my business. For the record l come from a country where polygamy is legal and there are polygamous marriages in my family so I have my own view of polygamy. So what's your view on polygamy? It can work in a society that is geared for polygamy but unless the husband is dominant and completely impartial it is recipe for misery where one wife is preferred to another or one child of the other. An uncle of mine who died recently. He had 6 wives and 15 children between them and left no will. The fallout is horrendous. When the children were young things were ok, but as they got older the children naturally want the best for their mothers so it became very divisive. All l can say l have found it difficult keeping one woman happy, polygamy in my mind is a function of old world religious thinking where women were commodities. The most famous examples are in the Old Testament very few of the polygamous marriages there work. So your view isn't that non-mongamous marriages don't have love. It's that you personally wouldn't want a non-mongamous marriage with someone you love? " My view is that it is not for me , the state, religion or anyone else to tell fully aware adults how they arrange their love lives. If polygamy or polymory, or affairs works for the relevant people, go fill your boots. But for me l could only love in a monogamous relationship. But l am not preaching, just personal choice. | |||
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