FabSwingers.com forum: Bi Male Phobia

By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've noticed exactly the same thing. Profiles that have "no bi guys at all". I'm quite happy to show my verifications. Shame you're not closer otherwise I'd be messaging you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

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i havent come across it. i just hear alot of men worried about it.youll never please all the people all the time so be happy with yourself..and if they all did come out, people would shift their attitudes (if they have any) about it..so keeping hidden if you are, does n favours for the whole imo..but thats all it is..an opinion xx

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS."

Hahah

The funny thing is most of the people that shout 'no bi guys' arnt even good looking?

They literally think they are hot property where is reality no guy would even touch them.

Amaaaaaaazing

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By *layfulserfMan
over a year ago

Northolt

Its the single women that make me laugh with their no bi comments.

They all suck cock, most seam to take it up the arse (which I would't do) but they dont want fun with men who enjoy the same

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

What's the perceived reality vs the actual reality?

If you're a sex worker, you'll have regular STI check ups...

If you're an "out" gay / bi / MSM, you'll have STI check ups...

Or is it ...

Straight people "well, as long as she's on the pill and won't get pregnant, no problems".

The highest risk is the "straight guy" who's cheating or lying (sexuality or circumstance).

So... People who think no Bi guys for risk factors are fooling themselves in ignorance.

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By *acavityMan
over a year ago

Redditch

A local couple say no bi guys, fine that is their choice.

Then say bareback dogging in the notorious local park.

I wonder how they check random strangers in the dark, to see their previous sexual history?

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By *orthyorkypairCouple
over a year ago

North Yorkshire

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

and of course its also called personal choice! funny how the pro bi fraternity are happy to slate those of us the seek a different lifestyle!!! what happened to live and let live, we do, we are both straight and by straight i do mean straight! but have no issue with others that seek other things!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS.

Hahah

The funny thing is most of the people that shout 'no bi guys' arnt even good looking?

They literally think they are hot property where is reality no guy would even touch them.

Amaaaaaaazing

I think that's quite a rude thing to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If your meeting multiple partners for sex then bi straight or not then regular checks for sti makes good practice it's also so discrete too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight. You are asking for reasons and that is mine.

I am not unattractive.

I am entitled to my personal preferences.

If I don't want to meet Bi men I don't have to. It's got nothing to do with them jumping on my other half, as I don't have one.

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

What's the perceived reality vs the actual reality?

If you're a sex worker, you'll have regular STI check ups...

If you're an "out" gay / bi / MSM, you'll have STI check ups...

Or is it ...

Straight people "well, as long as she's on the pill and won't get pregnant, no problems".

The highest risk is the "straight guy" who's cheating or lying (sexuality or circumstance).

So... People who think no Bi guys for risk factors are fooling themselves in ignorance.

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yeah how far does it go..no bi guy people only swinging with other no bi guy people?. do they ask for references off of all singles before meeting?..in club do they ask if you've ever sucked cock or ever sucked a cock thats been sucked by a man..i mean how does this actually work...fascinating....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yukky bi guys having the best of both worlds eh...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think it also have to do with someones religious belief, where they just go for straight ones.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

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This, wish I could be open outside of fab about it

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By *r Stagger LeeMan
over a year ago

torquay

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

What's the perceived reality vs the actual reality?

If you're a sex worker, you'll have regular STI check ups...

If you're an "out" gay / bi / MSM, you'll have STI check ups...

Or is it ...

Straight people "well, as long as she's on the pill and won't get pregnant, no problems".

The highest risk is the "straight guy" who's cheating or lying (sexuality or circumstance).

So... People who think no Bi guys for risk factors are fooling themselves in ignorance.

Flames yeah how far does it go..no bi guy people only swinging with other no bi guy people?. do they ask for references off of all singles before meeting?..in club do they ask if you've ever sucked cock or ever sucked a cock thats been sucked by a man..i mean how does this actually work...fascinating....

usually poses no problems when at clubs only ever been asked few times about being bi.

found that not hiding or lying about it has got me a lot more interest, especially from couples with bi curios partners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

What's the perceived reality vs the actual reality?

If you're a sex worker, you'll have regular STI check ups...

If you're an "out" gay / bi / MSM, you'll have STI check ups...

Or is it ...

Straight people "well, as long as she's on the pill and won't get pregnant, no problems".

The highest risk is the "straight guy" who's cheating or lying (sexuality or circumstance).

So... People who think no Bi guys for risk factors are fooling themselves in ignorance.

I've been told by someone they wouldn't meet me because I have met bi men. I was thinking about putting it on my profile that I have met bi men,a male escort and some people from high risk categories. That could save time I suppose

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I do think some people think bi men will fuck everyone they talk to,without protection. There are also people who won't meet women who have lots of verifications.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

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This, wish I could be open outside of fab about it "

If you want to be discreet you might want to reconsider face pics on show. Your next door neighbour or town gossip could be on here. People get outed by tosspots.. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't play with bi guys or straight ladies, I would find it frustrating with a straight lady being present and from experience a bi guy may find it frustrating that hubby is straight, it's not bi-phobia or straight-phobia it's just how we see it xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

Maybe they just don't like the thought of two men fucking so they don't want to meet bi men for that reason.

I think they should get rid of the 'sexuality' info as it's irrelevant. Just have who we are looking for instead.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"We don't play with bi guys or straight ladies, I would find it frustrating with a straight lady being present and from experience a bi guy may find it frustrating that hubby is straight, it's not bi-phobia or straight-phobia it's just how we see it xx

That's fine, although presuming something about the other person? That either they have an inability not to touch, or an inability to enjoy a situation unless Bi play occurred.

We played with a Bi F, Straight M couple last night.

I've got a beaming smile on me, no Bi play required.

Just fun.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

The Doors - People are Strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CHi_9sxj0

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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago

in the suffolk countryside

"The Doors - People are Strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3CHi_9sxj0"

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"and of course its also called personal choice! funny how the pro bi fraternity are happy to slate those of us the seek a different lifestyle!!! what happened to live and let live, we do, we are both straight and by straight i do mean straight! but have no issue with others that seek other things!!!!

I am not saying that people don't have preferences.

It's about the "straight man" who's *actually* Bi.

People always have preferences.

I like brunettes and curves when it comes to women.

Other people like skinny blondes with falsies.

Things like that are not things you hide.

Why is being a Bi male something people feel they have to hide?

Because there's obviously a lot of judgey people out there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight. You are asking for reasons and that is mine.

I am not unattractive.

I am entitled to my personal preferences.

If I don't want to meet Bi men I don't have to. It's got nothing to do with them jumping on my other half, as I don't have one.

But those straight men you meet may have fucked me or other similar women who have a bi partner and have fucked other bi men, so how is that safer?

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

I think they should get rid of the 'sexuality' info as it's irrelevant. Just have who we are looking for instead.

Unfortunately that's entirely impractical and would be way too granular for a search criteria. It would become harder, not easier.

Especially when it comes to Fab's limited resources.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's fine, although presuming something about the other person? That either they have an inability not to touch, or an inability to enjoy a situation unless Bi play occurred.

We played with a Bi F, Straight M couple last night.

I've got a beaming smile on me, no Bi play required.

Just fun.

Flames"

Not a presumption, just stating how we choose to play maybe that makes me straight-phobic, the reality is if we played with a gorgeous couple and the lady is straight I wouldn't enjoy the meet as much as with a bi lady, so given we have the choice that's what we choose, on the subject of bi guys, swinging for us is about everyone involved having the best time possible and that's something we can't offer for a bi guy, simple

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS.

Hahah

The funny thing is most of the people that shout 'no bi guys' arnt even good looking?

They literally think they are hot property where is reality no guy would even touch them.

Amaaaaaaazing

I think that's quite a rude thing to say."

You always say offensive stuff.

Come down of your high horse missy.

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

Tbf, I've had more shit off gay men than straight people.

It's commonly suggested that bisexuality is somehow 'the best of both worlds' or that it 'doubles your chances of getting a date' &c &c.

I think it's more like walking down the middle of the road and dodging traffic from both directions.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight. "

...Although that does show a lack of awareness and education about STI's...

IMHO.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS."

There may be some truth in your joke. The blood transfusion service certainly base a number of their "questions" on men who have had sex with other men. They are definitely seen medically as being at a much higher risk......could be some of this mindset?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS.

It's the way diseases are transmitted that they look at.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"There may be some truth in your joke. The blood transfusion service certainly base a number of their "questions" on men who have had sex with other men. They are definitely seen medically as being at a much higher risk......could be some of this mindset?"

Although a terribly 1990's mindset.

They also exclude people who have had tattoos or piercings recently.

In Ireland they preclude you from giving blood if you lived in the UK between 1980 and 1996...

They don't preclude you if you've just been to a hetero bareback gangbang.

Fun huh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight.

...Although that does show a lack of awareness and education about STI's...

IMHO.

Flames"

The "straight people don't get STI's" argument makes me laugh. Some people are incredibly stupid.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple
over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

What makes you say it's a phobia?

In our case it's a personal choice we have no problem with anyone's sexuality. We do, however, reserve the right to meet the people we feel we might be suited to just as you do in your profile viz.,

"NOT WANTED - Subs / slaves that malarkey doesn't do it for us. At all."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A local couple say no bi guys, fine that is their choice.

Then say bareback dogging in the notorious local park.

I wonder how they check random strangers in the dark, to see their previous sexual history?

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they wont do that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight.

...Although that does show a lack of awareness and education about STI's...

IMHO.

Flames

The "straight people don't get STI's" argument makes me laugh. Some people are incredibly stupid. "
If you compare bb pussey, it is not as dangerous as the ass for the men, so yes, the risk is higher for them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What makes you say it's a phobia?

In our case it's a personal choice we have no problem with anyone's sexuality. We do, however, reserve the right to meet the people we feel we might be suited to just as you do in your profile viz.,

"NOT WANTED - Subs / slaves that malarkey doesn't do it for us. At all.""

Bi phobic, straight phobic just words in no way are we phobic at all, we just choose how we want to play xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I will meet bi men no problem. My issue is straight men who meet men. If they can lie about Thierry sexuality hee what else will they lie about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS.

Hahah

The funny thing is most of the people that shout 'no bi guys' arnt even good looking?

I'd agree 1000% with this

They literally think they are hot property where is reality no guy would even touch them.

Amaaaaaaazing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's just a bit of a turn off to me. Not really sure why, have been with bi guys in the past & wouldn't rule it out in the future, but it certainly doesn't get me going.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will meet bi men no problem. My issue is straight men who meet men. If they can lie about Thierry sexuality hee what else will they lie about."

This

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"What makes you say it's a phobia?

Hiding your *actual* sexuality in an arena and forum where you should be relatively judgement free?

That's what makes me say it's a phobia.

Whether it's internalised Bi phobia, or an actual phobia from the community, it's still enough to cause our inbox to receive messages daily from straight guys who say "Oh I am actually Bi".

The people who won't meet Bi guys because of some fear that they have AIDS / HIV - that's a phobia of ignorance.

People who don't like "fat people" that's a preference of attraction. That's not a phobia of fat people (well, I am sure it might exist... but it's by and large, a preference).

It's pretty clear why it's a phobia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's fine, although presuming something about the other person? That either they have an inability not to touch, or an inability to enjoy a situation unless Bi play occurred.

We played with a Bi F, Straight M couple last night.

I've got a beaming smile on me, no Bi play required.

Just fun.

Flames

Do see where you are coming from and we can appreciate your reasons and it's not phobic at all what you're saying in my opinion, no intention to pick a fight with you.

We're the same in regards to straight women, my wife would be extremely frustrated as she's very much into women and men. But for me, being bi is very much something of a sideline. Meeting straight male couples wouldn't frustrate me. I'm not trying to change your mind on this, but it is frustrating that assumption is made.

Getting to a wider point, I think the OP is talking about active phobia. There's difference between having a preference and outright hostility. There's some very hostile posts in this forum and we have in the past received abusive messages regarding me being bi. And it's all very well going on about respecting preferences on here, but what about in person? Being a bi couple we're very apprehensive about going to a club, as we've never been.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

That's fine, although presuming something about the other person? That either they have an inability not to touch, or an inability to enjoy a situation unless Bi play occurred.

We played with a Bi F, Straight M couple last night.

I've got a beaming smile on me, no Bi play required.

Just fun.

Flames

Do see where you are coming from and we can appreciate your reasons and it's not phobic at all what you're saying in my opinion, no intention to pick a fight with you.

Agreed we cannot stand the bi phobia that seems to be prevalent on fab to the point that many couples we know hide the fact the guy is bi by putting "straight" on the profile!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On the flip side there our plenty of females from a couples profile we've met that say she is bi but actually they are not.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On the flip side there our plenty of females from a couples profile we've met that say she is bi but actually they are not....."

So true xx

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

And since starting this thread, there's been guys who are "straight" who've messaged us going "I'm Bi but..." and want a meet.

*shrugs*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And since starting this thread, there's been guys who are "straight" who've messaged us going "I'm Bi but..." and want a meet.

*shrugs*"

lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And since starting this thread, there's been guys who are "straight" who've messaged us going "I'm Bi but..." and want a meet.

*shrugs*

lol"

It's a daily occurrence for us,some guys have actually changed there profile to bi whilst chatting to us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Being a member of fab is all about fulfilling fantasies. My wife simply doesn't have fantasies about bi or gay guys.

That is the reason we don't meet them.

It is nothing to do with sti risk or homophobic.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Being a member of fab is all about fulfilling fantasies. My wife simply doesn't have fantasies about bi or gay guys.

That is the reason we don't meet them.

It is nothing to do with sti risk or homophobic. "

Not the point of the thread, but that's fine, that's a preference.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And since starting this thread, there's been guys who are "straight" who've messaged us going "I'm Bi but..." and want a meet.

*shrugs*"

I'm bi curious but think I should change to straight!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS."

I know you're joking, but I think that is genuinely the issues.

Never, ever found a straight guy I wanted to touch and we only play as a couple, so anything I have, she has to... Lol.

But we get tested anyway and we know we're clean. TBH, we're more worried about the singles we see barebacking like rabbits...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've had aids twice now. Bloody typical.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Until you have experience a bi mmf you have not lived

Try it ladies it will blow your mind

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Funny those couples that state no bi men, but female is bi, why is that different. She's gone with female who may have gone with bi male.its a never ending circle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until you have experience a bi mmf you have not lived

Try it ladies it will blow your mind

agreed

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Until you have experience a bi mmf you have not lived

Try it ladies it will blow your mind

I'd have to let Phoenix pass confirmation judgement on that one...

LOL

But she does appear to have the right reactions that would indicate agreement!

;-)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Does seem to be a bi stigma on fab, but I am bi, love it and openly display on profile

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By *lik and PaulCouple
over a year ago

cahoots

Each to their own and as others have said do we check anyone's "CV" ...not realistic. The only time we find out if someone is bi at the club is when they grab Paul's cock.....and yes, this does happen.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Joking aside, I honestly came on to the form to moan about how bi men get treated. I was even thinking of changing my sexual preference on Fab. For the straight women and couples, I'm too bi. How can you be too bi? Regardless if I have cock in my mouth or ass I'm still fucking bi! I do like to meet men but not normally through fab due to the major negative feedback you get.

Honestly when I was hiding it, at least I dated some people rather than just being treated like a couples fantasy.

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

Flames"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Until you have experience a bi mmf you have not lived

Try it ladies it will blow your mind

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doesn't appeal in the slightest... I don't want guys I meet to be into the guys I meet. It is a turn off for me ... and surely fab is about what we want as individuals and couples sexually. .. I'm always in the minority with ladies at clubs for not liking guy in guy.. .but there are people that find what I like a Turn off.

Don't think its phobic its about sexual attraction

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Until you have experience a bi mmf you have not lived

Try it ladies it will blow your mind

doesn't appeal in the slightest... I don't want guys I meet to be into the guys I meet. It is a turn off for me ... and surely fab is about what we want as individuals and couples sexually. .. I'm always in the minority with ladies at clubs for not liking guy in guy.. .but there are people that find what I like a Turn off.

Don't think its phobic its about sexual attraction "

Again, not the point of the thread...

Preference, not phobia, unless your preference is based on a phobia.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Not really off topic OP....get told its a phobia or anti bi. and get people getting all annoyed x

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By *iguy39Man
over a year ago

manchester

I'm bi and also suffer from a lack if attention on here. Although to be honest I'm not sure if that's because I'm bi or because I'm an ugly fat bastard

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Not really off topic OP....get told its a phobia or anti bi. and get people getting all annoyed x"

Ahh silly them then to not understand preferences

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By *aynelionWoman
over a year ago

Fakenham

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight. You are asking for reasons and that is mine.

I am not unattractive.

I am entitled to my personal preferences.

If I don't want to meet Bi men I don't have to. It's got nothing to do with them jumping on my other half, as I don't have one.

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS
over a year ago

Larne

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

Flames"

I always say if they don't say there bi then surely there alienating half there target audience right lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hmmmm well you see I've always had the thought as above of the subject of HIV.

Never been with a Bi guy until very recently, however I'll point out I've never intentionally based the people I sleep with around their sexual orientation.

It was just something I didn't fancy.

I've gone from that idea to fantasising over giving a man pleasure with a strap on.

I guess it's due to personal preferences and experiences xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am bi curious and a lot of ladies and couples are fine with me being bi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Funny those couples that state no bi men, but female is bi, why is that different. She's gone with female who may have gone with bi male.its a never ending circle"

Think we answered that question earlier with regards to ourselves x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its the single women that make me laugh with their no bi comments.

They all suck cock, most seam to take it up the arse (which I would't do) but they dont want fun with men who enjoy the same"

It don't bother me

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"A local couple say no bi guys, fine that is their choice.

Then say bareback dogging in the notorious local park.

I wonder how they check random strangers in the dark, to see their previous sexual history?

Simple; limp wrist at 30 degrees is bi; at 45 degrees is gay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Not really off topic OP....get told its a phobia or anti bi. and get people getting all annoyed x"

Exactly. Does it make them cope with rejection better if they throw around phobia accusations.

Maybe I have to rethink things myself. Could it be that there is some kind of nasty phobia behind my years of rejection.

Or could it be that not many women are really into short fat hairy Glaswegians?

Think I will go with the prejudice explanation.

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By *iSTARessWoman
over a year ago

London

I kinda feel sorry for a lot of straight presenting, bi guys.

Most of my play pals have been so and they get a lot of shit. They could never come out in real life, never mind on here for fear of rejection and abuse.

Reality is, bi chaps get tested regularly and play far safer than straight chaps. And are far more fun and adventurous in the sack.

So big up to bi men who ARE out and proud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"A local couple say no bi guys, fine that is their choice.

Then say bareback dogging in the notorious local park.

I wonder how they check random strangers in the dark, to see their previous sexual history?

Simple; limp wrist at 30 degrees is bi; at 45 degrees is gay

That's science right there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

Flames

This, wish I could be open outside of fab about it

If you want to be discreet you might want to reconsider face pics on show. Your next door neighbour or town gossip could be on here. People get outed by tosspots.. x"

Don't care if they do from here but can't bring myself to properly come out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I kinda feel sorry for a lot of straight presenting, bi guys.

Most of my play pals have been so and they get a lot of shit. They could never come out in real life, never mind on here for fear of rejection and abuse.

Reality is, bi chaps get tested regularly and play far safer than straight chaps. And are far more fun and adventurous in the sack.

So big up to bi men who ARE out and proud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Tbf, I've had more shit off gay men than straight people.

It's commonly suggested that bisexuality is somehow 'the best of both worlds' or that it 'doubles your chances of getting a date' &c &c.

I think it's more like walking down the middle of the road and dodging traffic from both directions. "

Indeed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I kinda feel sorry for a lot of straight presenting, bi guys.

Most of my play pals have been so and they get a lot of shit. They could never come out in real life, never mind on here for fear of rejection and abuse.

Reality is, bi chaps get tested regularly and play far safer than straight chaps. And are far more fun and adventurous in the sack.

So big up to bi men who ARE out and proud

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's up to anyone who they want to meet on here ! All 3 of us are bisexual and say so. If people don't want to meet is because we are bi it's their choice .

Equally it's our choice that we won't meet or message anyone that has straight on their profile or states they do not wish to meet bisexual people .

There are only two things that irritate us to death about the bisexual nature of things on fab :

1) the couples with a straight male but a bi female who ask to meet both girls in our 3 way relationship but not our man ! - so hang on , you want to girls to lez it up with your girl so your man can watch but you don't want OUR man there because he's bi????? Yes sure, we will be right around

2) the endless messages off men with straight profiles who claim to be various degrees and acts of bisexual in a message . Or those who put demands on : eg your guy can suck my cock if I can fuck both your girls !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sex negotiation sounds so sensual

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

I won't knowingly meet bi guys as I personally find it a turnoff. We're all entitled to our preferences. What floats Obe person's boat won't float another's. It's what makes life interesting.

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

"I won't knowingly meet bi guys as I personally find it a turnoff. We're all entitled to our preferences. What floats Obe person's boat won't float another's. It's what makes life interesting. "

One*

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I have never met a man I liked sexually, never looked at a man and thought YES! Never had erotic dreams about men. Must be phobic

L has always said she likes men, the thought of two men doesn't equate to a mans man, so we are both phobic, or is that just having preferences.

Gosh where did choice go on this site.

Think everyone is entitled to fun however they want and if there is closed minds around that entitlement, well hit the block list.

Have fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I will meet bi men no problem. My issue is straight men who meet men. If they can lie about Thierry sexuality hee what else will they lie about."

Everything out of their mouths will be a lie of course.

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By *ishopstippleMan
over a year ago

Purley

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight. You are asking for reasons and that is mine.

I am not unattractive.

I am entitled to my personal preferences.

If I don't want to meet Bi men I don't have to. It's got nothing to do with them jumping on my other half, as I don't have one.

But those straight men you meet may have fucked me or other similar women who have a bi partner and have fucked other bi men, so how is that safer?"

"Oh what a wicked web we weave when we chose to deceive"

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"I have never met a man I liked sexually, never looked at a man and thought YES! Never had erotic dreams about men. Must be phobic

L has always said she likes men, the thought of two men doesn't equate to a mans man, so we are both phobic, or is that just having preferences.

Gosh where did choice go on this site.

Think everyone is entitled to fun however they want and if there is closed minds around that entitlement, well hit the block list.

Have fun

But there does appear to be attitudes that because a guy is Bi he *has* to play Bi...

I am not sure whether that counts as a phobia or a foolish / ignorant assumption?

Regardless - The whole "Won't meet buy guys" is what drives Bi guys "underground".

If Bi guys were honest and stood up to the bullshit, then posts like this wouldn't need to occur.

(Although replaced by guys that don't read profiles lol).

But it is a chicken and egg debate on a preference vs a prejudice...

Same can be for race selection.

*shrugs*

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"I won't knowingly meet bi guys as I personally find it a turnoff. We're all entitled to our preferences. What floats Obe person's boat won't float another's. It's what makes life interesting. "

But if you are meeting a guy 1 on 1, why is it a turn off?

That's a "preference" based on prejudice, or a phobia.

These are the reasons Bi guys can't be open.

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By *urvymamaWoman
over a year ago

Doncaster

In my experience more men are worried about being shamed or outed etc for it than actually are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've no issues with being honest about my sexual preference. I certainly wouldn't hide who I am just to give me a better chance of getting meets.

"...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

Flames"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I've no issues with being honest about my sexual preference. I certainly wouldn't hide who I am just to give me a better chance of getting meets.

...sorry, just wanted to rant...

But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?

And why is it so many "straight" men have to hide their sexual preferences?

Surely, people should be honest with others and themselves?

Grr.

(Inspired by me confronting yet another "straight" male messaging saying he's Bi, me confronting him, and then him retorting as to why people are obsessed with outing Bi men... LOL!)

Flames"

And that's the whole issue, we believe, so many men on FAB do hide what they actually are, merely to attempt to get another meet, in our case it's counter productive though as we don't meet anyone who doesn't state that they are bisexual, we invariably think : If they lie about such a fundamental thing to deceive others into a meet on false premises, what other porky pies are waiting in the wings

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

Love your profile, as an aside.

But yeah, we have the same, and we have to assume a) They haven't read the profile or b) they are trying it on.

So we'll invariably say "But you are straight"... to the inevitable confession that they're bi curios, or have had someone suck their cock once.

In which case we are back to category a) when we haven't got time for the curious.

But indeed, back to people getting shitty at us challenging them.

But when you try and get people *all the time* trying to just get in the partners pants, you have to forgive the cynicism.

(Oh, and that reminds me of the idiots that just message one person on a couples profile... That's a super fail on profile reading haha... "Nice ass" - Oh yeah? Which one of us?

To get some reply of homophobia in that of course they meant Phoenix's, not mine)...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love your profile, as an aside.

But yeah, we have the same, and we have to assume a) They haven't read the profile or b) they are trying it on.

So we'll invariably say "But you are straight"... to the inevitable confession that they're bi curios, or have had someone suck their cock once.

In which case we are back to category a) when we haven't got time for the curious.

But indeed, back to people getting shitty at us challenging them.

But when you try and get people *all the time* trying to just get in the partners pants, you have to forgive the cynicism.

(Oh, and that reminds me of the idiots that just message one person on a couples profile... That's a super fail on profile reading haha... "Nice ass" - Oh yeah? Which one of us?

To get some reply of homophobia in that of course they meant Phoenix's, not mine)...

You sum up much of our experience, people can meet who they wish, and describe themselves however they like, but they surely have to realize that if they describe themselves as one thing on a profile, and then claim to be something entirely different in a message, then invariably people are going to think : "yea, sure" and move on elsewhere ?

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By *oderndaylivesCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"For some it's about risk reduction. No men who have sex with men,no sex workers and no one else in the high risk categories.

What's the perceived reality vs the actual reality?

If you're a sex worker, you'll have regular STI check ups...

If you're an "out" gay / bi / MSM, you'll have STI check ups...

Or is it ...

Straight people "well, as long as she's on the pill and won't get pregnant, no problems".

The highest risk is the "straight guy" who's cheating or lying (sexuality or circumstance).

So... People who think no Bi guys for risk factors are fooling themselves in ignorance.

Flames "

^this

lets not be hypocritical.

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By *oderndaylivesCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

The last two relationships I have had have been with bi males. One was happy to have bi or bicurious on the profile but got fed up with being inundated with men, when it was only sometimes that he was interested in being with men. the other was really uptight about it as he was part of a group which he felt didn't approve of bi males, so we actually set up a second profile for bi meets. Probably to do with his background too. Sometimes you do have to tailor what you put on your profile to avoid being inundated with messages, and it then gives you space to seek out what you might want. I love that bi males are becoming more open and acceptable on the scene (I know some clubs didn't allow bi males) and I can understand the frustration when men are acting closeted on here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Park life

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By *igSuki81Man
over a year ago

Retirement Village

Nowt wrong with bi guys

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley

Why do all the people here who state "no bi guys" keep coming back with "it's just our preference"? Nobody here is saying you have to play with or meet anyone you don't want to, we're just asking to be judged on our own individual merits rather than being all being hit by one big blanket ban.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The last two relationships I have had have been with bi males. One was happy to have bi or bicurious on the profile but got fed up with being inundated with men, when it was only sometimes that he was interested in being with men. the other was really uptight about it as he was part of a group which he felt didn't approve of bi males, so we actually set up a second profile for bi meets. Probably to do with his background too. Sometimes you do have to tailor what you put on your profile to avoid being inundated with messages, and it then gives you space to seek out what you might want. I love that bi males are becoming more open and acceptable on the scene (I know some clubs didn't allow bi males) and I can understand the frustration when men are acting closeted on here. "

Which clubs don't allow bi men?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh god. Oh god oh god. It's like it's 1991 on here. Faaaark. I honestly thought we'd all moved on from this kind of close-minded idiocy. I don't throw insults around lightly on here in the forums.

Here is an absolute and incontrovertible truth to all you eejits that believe bisexuals somehow can't help themselves.

We are just like you. No. No. Don't interrupt, mmkay?

We are just like you.

If I meet a guy, one on one, I'm not somehow any different than if I were a straight girl. I've just slept with girls before. I understand you can't keep flicking that tongue forever, and how icky the whole saliva thing gets down there during oral. Ain't gonna hold it against ya, I've been there maaaan.

If I meet a couple and the lady is straight, gee golly whiz! Guess what? I'm respectful, and even if she looked like Jessica Alba circa Sin City, I'm going to keep my hands and my eyes to myself because I'm a decent fucking human being. I wouldn't feel like I was 'missing out' or 'not getting everything I want' because I would be. It's an orgasm. That's what I'm there for (and a giggle and a good time!). If your men can't give me that, I feel sorry for ya!

Amazingly, bi guys are likewise no different to straight guys in the sack, except they may be a tad more understanding, especially about how much you might not want your ass being reamed for three hours straight, or how to angle the cock better for deepthroating. Just saying. They're also not going to feel 'cheated' because they didn't get to jump your guy's bones.

BISEXUAL DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO SHAG EVERYTHING IN SIGHT. That's important. Please. Remember that.

Bisexual men are barely more likely to carry HIV/Aids/pickyoursoddingSTI. This is a fact. It's a fact that the establishment is slowly catching up to.

So please, don't tell me that you 'don't have fantasies about bi guys', ladies. You have fantasies about guys? Then you have fantasies about all guys, straight and bi. Because, and I repeat, they are the same to a female.

And please don't tell me couples, that your desire to exclude bi guys is rooted in concern for them not having a good time. I'm calling bullshit all over that one. Because bisexuals don't go home after not sleeping with someone they knew was a straight person of the same gender and cries themselves to sleep. That probably hasn't happened in the history of fab. You're uncomfortable with having someone who possibly could fancy your fella and it's somehow worse than a bi female possibly fancying your girl. Get over it.

Ok, my other half, my Dom, has just wandered into the living room, seen the look on my face and backed out slowly. And emptied the dishwasher.

I should get mad more often

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If I kill the thread - sorry Flames *shuffles and drags toe in sand*

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

"Oh god. Oh god oh god. It's like it's 1991 on here. Faaaark. I honestly thought we'd all moved on from this kind of close-minded idiocy. I don't throw insults around lightly on here in the forums.

Here is an absolute and incontrovertible truth to all you eejits that believe bisexuals somehow can't help themselves.

We are just like you. No. No. Don't interrupt, mmkay?

We are just like you.

BISEXUAL DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO SHAG EVERYTHING IN SIGHT. That's important. Please. Remember that.

Bisexual men are barely more likely to carry HIV/Aids/pickyoursoddingSTI. This is a fact. It's a fact that the establishment is slowly catching up to.

Ok, my other half, my Dom, has just wandered into the living room, seen the look on my face and backed out slowly. And emptied the dishwasher.

I should get mad more often

*slowly claps*

Well said my lady, well said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Oh god. Oh god oh god. It's like it's 1991 on here. Faaaark. I honestly thought we'd all moved on from this kind of close-minded idiocy. I don't throw insults around lightly on here in the forums.

Here is an absolute and incontrovertible truth to all you eejits that believe bisexuals somehow can't help themselves.

We are just like you. No. No. Don't interrupt, mmkay?

We are just like you.

BISEXUAL DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO SHAG EVERYTHING IN SIGHT. That's important. Please. Remember that.

Bisexual men are barely more likely to carry HIV/Aids/pickyoursoddingSTI. This is a fact. It's a fact that the establishment is slowly catching up to.

Ok, my other half, my Dom, has just wandered into the living room, seen the look on my face and backed out slowly. And emptied the dishwasher.

I should get mad more often

Some good points, but as many have said we choose how & who we play with and as we have choice we choose bi girls and straight men, not for any other reason than we have plenty of choose from and that combination seems to work for us, some of our playmates play with bi guys & straight women sometimes that's there choice x

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I won't knowingly meet bi guys as I personally find it a turnoff. We're all entitled to our preferences. What floats Obe person's boat won't float another's. It's what makes life interesting.

But if you are meeting a guy 1 on 1, why is it a turn off?

That's a "preference" based on prejudice, or a phobia.

These are the reasons Bi guys can't be open.

If the thought of 2 men shagging makes me feel sick so I don't want to meet bi men.. it's my fault and my phobia that's affecting their lives and stopping them getting meets??!

I love it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The underlying case that is clearly being made is that there is only one reason why people decline to have sex with bi guys and it is prejudice.

You gotta laugh.

If only my life was so simply defined. Every rejection in my own personal history is nothing to with any failing on my part.

Nor is it that I am not universally attractive.

No it is obviously prejudice. Wonderful. That is a weight off of my mind.

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By *lascumMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

I'm bi... It's on my profile but it's amazing how many str8 couples contact and say they want to play bi but don't put it on their profile for fear of not getting meets... I'm sure I don't meet as many as if I put str8 but hey ho that's life and I'm not going to chop and change profile to suit other folk

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

The more you have a hissy fit about it reinforces their possible preference prejudice.

Conduct yourself with dignity and focus on people who will meet bi guys.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The more you have a hissy fit about it reinforces their possible preference prejudice.

Conduct yourself with dignity and focus on people who will meet bi guys.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

I don't want to meet short men; and it is not because I am 'afraid' of them

Those who don't want to meet bisexual men probably don't because they are bot attracted to them; what is so difficult to understand about that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't want to meet short men; and it is not because I am 'afraid' of them

Those who don't want to meet bisexual men probably don't because they are bot attracted to them; what is so difficult to understand about that?"

I knew it!!

A blatant example of prejudiced heightism.

The next thing she will be admitting she doesn't like fat guys. Hairy guys. Glaswegians. Everton supporters.

Where will this wave of prejudice end

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I don't want to meet short men; and it is not because I am 'afraid' of them

Those who don't want to meet bisexual men probably don't because they are bot attracted to them; what is so difficult to understand about that?

I knew it!!

A blatant example of prejudiced heightism.

The next thing she will be admitting she doesn't like fat guys. Hairy guys. Glaswegians. Everton supporters.

Where will this wave of prejudice end

I don't mind Everton supporters; honest

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"If I kill the thread - sorry Flames *shuffles and drags toe in sand*"

No - It's all good

Great post

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

" especially about how much you might not want your ass being reamed for three hours straight,"

*crying with laughter*

"Ok, my other half, my Dom, has just wandered into the living room, seen the look on my face and backed out slowly. And emptied the dishwasher.

I should get mad more often

Yeah - I do similarly when Phoenix is mad.

Must be something in the "fight or flight" gene of modern men that results in us sorting the dishes

But epic post...

Cheers!

Flames

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seriously though as a small guy I have encountered career warping prejudice. Name calling and real actual physical violence.

If I was gay it would come under the category of a hate crime.

I simply don't bother interpreting ever rejection as some kind of prejudice or phobia. That is patent nonsense.

I have no issues with women who prefer tall guys as I in fact i have my own preferences.

I also have very little sympathy with bi or gay guys who constantly jump to assert the homophobic accusation simply because someone won't shag them.

Man up for God's sake.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

because there are as many other people that have dislikes of other things as well - the reason being is because it doesnt float their boat - we cant all like everything -

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Why do all the people here who state "no bi guys" keep coming back with "it's just our preference"? Nobody here is saying you have to play with or meet anyone you don't want to, we're just asking to be judged on our own individual merits rather than being all being hit by one big blanket ban."

Exactly...

If it was two Bi guys together.

But if you met a Bi guy in a club without his profile being pinned to him, and he played straight and "normal" then who'd know?

Or would people go back home, log on to Fab, read the profile, and then freak out subsequently scrubbing and bleaching themselves in the shower for hours on end whilst rocking slowly back and forth?

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over a year ago

I'm sure 99% of women are worried about potential deadly diseases!

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Seriously though as a small guy I have encountered career warping prejudice. Name calling and real actual physical violence."

Is your profile inaccurate or something?

5ft7 seems normal to me?

But I get the same shit for being ginger...

So I am not unawares of the difference between preference, prejudice and phobias.

There is a measurable, demonstrable prejudice against Bi men that results in a phobia, that is internalised by straight men not being so straight in private.

Let alone externally demonstrable influences.

But at the very least, if I wanted, I could go "stealth" with that aspect of my life.

Anyway, this is, has been and continues to be an insightful thread, and it's nice that it's stayed pretty articulate from the contributors.

Time for another coffee

Regards

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm sure 99% of women are worried about potential deadly diseases!"

Ah OK. I'd like to analyse the results of your survey. When and where was it taken?

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over a year ago

Exactly...

If it was two Bi guys together.

But if you met a Bi guy in a club without his profile being pinned to him, and he played straight and "normal" then who'd know?

Or would people go back home, log on to Fab, read the profile, and then freak out subsequently scrubbing and bleaching themselves in the shower for hours on end whilst rocking slowly back and forth?

Flames"

I wouldn't know if he was a convicted rapist. Hiv positive or a pedophile either.

Not necessarily comparing all these things but if we know it would no doubt be an influence on our decision to play with him or not.

Why would that be a problem? Some might find that kind of knowledge would provide an extra edge. Some would find it off putting.

Trying to make the case that simply because you meet a total stranger in a club no other issues are of relevance seems tenuous to me.

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By *lascumMan
over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm sure 99% of women are worried about potential deadly diseases!"

..... And straight men and women are disease free.... Does that mean the same proportion of men won't meet with bi women for fear of contracting deadly diseases.....Love to be living on your planet

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By *ex mad ladMan
over a year ago

Sussex

They might not be comfortable telling the whole fucking internet there bi or whatever...and shouldn't have to just for your convenience

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Trying to make the case that simply because you meet a total stranger in a club no other issues are of relevance seems tenuous to me. "

But then your previous reply demonstrated you missed the point of my post.

Particularly :

"I also have very little sympathy with bi or gay guys who constantly jump to assert the homophobic accusation simply because someone won't shag them. "

I don't constantly moan about it, I was remarking on the fact that it is such a force out there which forces through actual or perceived prejudice, Bi men, or men who have sex with men, to hide their preferences.

There have been demonstrations of prejudice, phobia and preference on this thread.

They may be nuanced (and too nuanced for some) - but the last thing I need to do is "man up" any more than you might need to "grow up".

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"They might not be comfortable telling the whole fucking internet there bi or whatever...and shouldn't have to just for your convenience "

Good point, too

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"They might not be comfortable telling the whole fucking internet there bi or whatever...and shouldn't have to just for your convenience "

It's not the whole internet is it?

It's Fab.

And why wouldn't they be comfortable?

That's an internalised phobia.

Why do they have that internalised phobia?

Because of external influences.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Trying to make the case that simply because you meet a total stranger in a club no other issues are of relevance seems tenuous to me.

But then your previous reply demonstrated you missed the point of my post.

Particularly :

I also have very little sympathy with bi or gay guys who constantly jump to assert the homophobic accusation simply because someone won't shag them.

There have been demonstrations of prejudice, phobia and preference on this thread.

They may be nuanced (and too nuanced for some) - but the last thing I need to do is "man up" any more than you might need to "grow up".

Regards

Flames

If given a choice, I'll take the tall one

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"But why is there such a bloody phobia for Bi men?"

No idea, I think more don't have it than do.

Not worth getting wound up about though

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

Those who don't want to meet bisexual men probably don't because they are bot attracted to them; what is so difficult to understand about that?

I knew it!!

A blatant example of prejudiced heightism.

The next thing she will be admitting she doesn't like fat guys. Hairy guys. Glaswegians. Everton supporters.

Where will this wave of prejudice end

Some things are things you can't hide.

There's a high number of people that won't meet Asian men. They can't hide their skin colour.

I've encountered people who won't meet gingers. I can't hide that.

You can't hide physical characteristics.

They are *generally* preferences.

But this isn't about that.

Unless Bi guys are fucking in front of you and you don't like watching men fuck each other then it's not a preference.

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

"Trying to make the case that simply because you meet a total stranger in a club no other issues are of relevance seems tenuous to me.

But then your previous reply demonstrated you missed the point of my post.

Particularly :

I also have very little sympathy with bi or gay guys who constantly jump to assert the homophobic accusation simply because someone won't shag them.

There have been demonstrations of prejudice, phobia and preference on this thread.

They may be nuanced (and too nuanced for some) - but the last thing I need to do is "man up" any more than you might need to "grow up".

Regards

Flames

If given a choice, I'll take the tall one

Oooh im 6ft3. . Take me! take me!

Lol

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

If given a choice, I'll take the tall one

Me too, but that's down to leaning over too long can get you a bad back...

But for other things, height doesn't matter lol.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

Oooh im 6ft3. . Take me! take me!

Lol

Thought you were taking me ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Those who don't want to meet bisexual men probably don't because they are bot attracted to them; what is so difficult to understand about that?

I knew it!!

A blatant example of prejudiced heightism.

The next thing she will be admitting she doesn't like fat guys. Hairy guys. Glaswegians. Everton supporters.

Where will this wave of prejudice end

Some things are things you can't hide.

There's a high number of people that won't meet Asian men. They can't hide their skin colour.

I've encountered people who won't meet gingers. I can't hide that.

You can't hide physical characteristics.

They are *generally* preferences.

But this isn't about that.

Unless Bi guys are fucking in front of you and you don't like watching men fuck each other then it's not a preference.

Again that seems to be a highly questionable definition of prejudice. All sorts of rebuttals are crowding my mind.

However if you wish to jump to the prejudice explanation then there is clearly nothing I can say that will change your mind.

Whilst there is undoubtedly prejudice against bi or gay guys out there confusing preference with prejudice does not help advance the argument in any way.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Oooh im 6ft3. . Take me! take me!

Lol

Thought you were taking me ?

See; that is the problem with bi guys; you make 'em an offer and get sidelined for a bloke

I too can learn about football and slosh beer around

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

Oooh im 6ft3. . Take me! take me!

Lol

Thought you were taking me ?

Boom chika bow wow

You know i am a complete sucker for a red head.. . Please dont tease me temptress ifnyou dont mean it!

hah

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By *xploringThisWorldMan
over a year ago

collier row

Oooh im 6ft3. . Take me! take me!

Lol

Thought you were taking me ?

See; that is the problem with bi guys; you make 'em an offer and get sidelined for a bloke

I too can learn about football and slosh beer around

Women making a bi guy an offer?

If i was to believe half the guys on this site. . Apparently that doesnt happen.

Lol

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

See; that is the problem with bi guys; you make 'em an offer and get sidelined for a bloke

I too can learn about football and slosh beer around

LOL.

Football?

Eww.

Rugby. Much better thighs and personalities.

But haha - Who's saying one precludes another

If everyone's Bi, everyone wins

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Oooh im 6ft3. . Take me! take me!

Lol

Thought you were taking me ?

See; that is the problem with bi guys; you make 'em an offer and get sidelined for a bloke

I too can learn about football and slosh beer around

Women making a bi guy an offer?

If i was to believe half the guys on this site. . Apparently that doesnt happen.

Lol"

Almost half the guys I've met are bisexual and some even admitted

Frankly, I don't see the difference between a bi guy or a straight guy when it comes to sex

Now, meeting a gay guy for sex would be a real feather in my cap.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Frankly, I don't see the difference between a bi guy or a straight guy when it comes to sex

Now, meeting a gay guy for sex would be a real feather in my cap.

Well, just need to find one willing to play with a guy present and apply a blindfold?

Have a "who gives the better blowjob" competition or something?

(Or is that just me, who often gets the "so who gives the better blowjob" question?)

((Or the variation, which is better...))

lol

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By *iboy1968Man
over a year ago

cramlington

"I'm sure 99% of women are worried about potential deadly diseases!"

" Ah OK. I'd like to analyse the results of your survey. When and where was it taken? "

come on demon no results were taken lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm still seeing this preference vs prejudice thing being thrown about here.

If you are attracted to males, you're attracted to males.

If you're not attracted to males, you're not attracted to them.

If you have two men in front of you, one uncut and one circumcised, you could express preference for cut or uncut. Maybe you don't like the way the foreskin moves or maybe you hate how much friction there is when circumcised. You have a preference for one physical charateristic or another.

Likewise personality traits, maybe you have two identical twins in front of you, both the nadir of your personal taste, but one is chilled out and tolerant and the other is a raging racist. You can express a preference for one or the other.

But they are both men. So you are either attracted to their physical characteristics and their personalities or you're not.

Bisexuality is a sexuality, that is all. It doesn't change someone physically, nor is it a character trait. You can express a preference for gender, but not a sexuality. I fancy the pants off George Michael. Ain't gonna help me. But he's male and he was gorgeous, so the fact he's gay doesn't stop me being attracted to him. He just wouldn't reciprocate.

If the sexuality is stopping you, not the physical and character traits of a person, yes, I'm sorry, that *is* prejudice.

Gawd. I've done it again *facepalms*

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fresh topic - how would the forum feel about sleeping with pansexuals?

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By *rs-Naughty_Mr-CuddlesCouple
over a year ago

Nr coleford

It's quite funny that I Mr have had more fabbed picks by straight guys then you get ones who say I'm bi really then when time come to meet us we either get blocked or there profile dissapears

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm still seeing this preference vs prejudice thing being thrown about here.

If you are attracted to males, you're attracted to males.

If you're not attracted to males, you're not attracted to them.

But they are both men. So you are either attracted to their physical characteristics and their personalities or you're not.

If the sexuality is stopping you, not the physical and character traits of a person, yes, I'm sorry, that *is* prejudice.

Gawd. I've done it again *facepalms*"

Wrong, wrong. Simply wrong.

There are so many things that influence sexual attractiveness.

Your argument is so incredibly simplistic I am not even sure where to start. If I did I wouldn't know where to finish.

But once again I reckon it would be a wasted effort so if that is the way you feel just crack on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As this thread goes on I'm falling more and more in love with Elcee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fresh topic - how would the forum feel about sleeping with pansexuals?

More than happy to, although will admit we're still a bit confused about the the definition of pansexual.

Not used to feeling stupid.

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By *rx1Couple
over a year ago

North Devon-ish

"Possibly because we have no restraint and we are just going to jump on the straight male and rape him and also because we all have AIDS."

Wow what a really uneducated thing to say..

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By *cottishsexgoddessWoman
over a year ago

Glenrothes

"I won't knowingly meet bi guys as I personally find it a turnoff. We're all entitled to our preferences. What floats Obe person's boat won't float another's. It's what makes life interesting.

But if you are meeting a guy 1 on 1, why is it a turn off?

That's a "preference" based on prejudice, or a phobia.

These are the reasons Bi guys can't be open.

I find it a turn off. I don't think that makes me either prejudiced or phobic, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if something thinks I am.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its the single women that make me laugh with their no bi comments.

They all suck cock, most seam to take it up the arse (which I would't do) but they dont want fun with men who enjoy the same"

God forbid women should have a choice of who they fuck aye??

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"I'm still seeing this preference vs prejudice thing being thrown about here.

If you are attracted to males, you're attracted to males.

If you're not attracted to males, you're not attracted to them.

But they are both men. So you are either attracted to their physical characteristics and their personalities or you're not.

If the sexuality is stopping you, not the physical and character traits of a person, yes, I'm sorry, that *is* prejudice.

Gawd. I've done it again *facepalms*"

Epic win, yet again

Point made succinctly, and with humour.

(And yes to George Michael... but again his *preferences* for someone with a different build than I might rule against me as much as if I were a different gender lol).

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"As this thread goes on I'm falling more and more in love with Elcee "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its the single women that make me laugh with their no bi comments.

They all suck cock, most seam to take it up the arse (which I would't do) but they dont want fun with men who enjoy the same

God forbid women should have a choice of who they fuck aye??

According to some exercising that choice means they are prejudiced

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Its the single women that make me laugh with their no bi comments.

They all suck cock, most seam to take it up the arse (which I would't do) but they dont want fun with men who enjoy the same

God forbid women should have a choice of who they fuck aye??

According to some exercising that choice means they are prejudiced

Ah yes of course

Women should fuck anyone and everyone just so not to risk causing any offence

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

The same old, the same old.

People justifying. People wittering on about being wronged. It's a shag, not the end to life itself.

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By *rs-Naughty_Mr-CuddlesCouple
over a year ago

Nr coleford

Being bi just means that we have choice were both cock sluts

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

" Wrong, wrong. Simply wrong.

There are so many things that influence sexual attractiveness.

Errm - No, Elcee isn't at all wrong.

I would welcome you to try and expend the effort trying to explain where you think that is.

Yes there are many things that influence sexual attractiveness.

There are also characteristics that compensate for others.

Your personality might make up for your lack of height on someone's preferences, and it's all a mixed bag etc to come up with a combined go / no go score.

But unless someone told you they were Bisexual - you would judge them on their merits.

After you gain that knowledge, it's down to a prejudicial judgement.

I would have a prejudicial judgement against someone who's never been to the STI clinic that's engaged in riskier-than-normal sexual behaviour.

I'm STI phobic.

But if someones had riskier than-than-normal-sex, and then been to an STI clinic and is clean, then it's fine.

It's not "eww, you've had riskier-than-normal-sex, been to an STI clinic, come back clean and healthy and I find you attractive, but I am still not going to have sex with you because what you have done in the past, but that has no influence on what I was about to do with you".

*that's* blind prejudice.

And *that's* what forces Bi men to lie on their profiles.

And that kind of judgement pisses me off as more than the Bi-men-but-straight-on-their-profile stuff.

Flames

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By *itzhallMan
over a year ago

birchington

I won't meet straight guys that say they are bi or curious.... this lifestyle should be about openness.... that's not to say we shouldn't be discreet in public but on here I base my searches on what I'm looking for and that's people with the same sexual preferences as me

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By *itzhallMan
over a year ago

birchington

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"The same old, the same old.

People justifying. People wittering on about being wronged. It's a shag, not the end to life itself.

That's a confusing comment without context... Who's side are you on?

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

According to some exercising that choice means they are prejudiced

You are either misreading, twisting words, or not getting the point.

Again. And again.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"Fresh topic - how would the forum feel about sleeping with pansexuals?

I'm pretty laid back, if it's enjoyable, and consenting, I'm game for anything sexual lol.

;-)

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

"The same old, the same old.

People justifying. People wittering on about being wronged. It's a shag, not the end to life itself.

That's a confusing comment without context... Who's side are you on?

I am a bisexual man who is comfortable with sexuality, have zero interest in other people who decide they don't want to meet bi guys. I respect their choice and I know most will have a very valid reason. A very small percentage will be homophobic bigots.

But I enjoy this site by focusing on people who declare their interest in bi guys and have zero need to petty rant about people who don't.

As for sides

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By *itten316Woman
over a year ago

Queens Park, LONDON

"I don't meet Bi guys because the risk of HIV is higher with Bi than straight. You are asking for reasons and that is mine.

I am not unattractive.

I am entitled to my personal preferences.

If I don't want to meet Bi men I don't have to. It's got nothing to do with them jumping on my other half, as I don't have one.

Wow. Lady. You need to get your facts straight. HIV is much more a hetro thing than a bi nowadays. Mostly from ignorant people like you who think they'll be find because they don't have sex with people who are bi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So after hours of debate and a total lack of empathy from either side what has this topic changed?

Nothing. Prejudice or preference we are still not interested in meeting bi guys.

We have not traded in insults in spite of being accused of prejudice.

Those who wish to believe this to be the case can go ahead with their simplistic black and white interpretation of the world. If that protects their fragile self worth then who am I to complain.

Bye all.

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By *onny MCMan
over a year ago

Crawley

Exactly...

If it was two Bi guys together.

But if you met a Bi guy in a club without his profile being pinned to him, and he played straight and "normal" then who'd know?

Or would people go back home, log on to Fab, read the profile, and then freak out subsequently scrubbing and bleaching themselves in the shower for hours on end whilst rocking slowly back and forth?

Flames"

I really hope that none of the women I've met at swingers clubs has ever felt the need to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I just don't understand why people get in such a sweat about it

If someone didn't want to meet me because I'm bi I wouldn't give it a second thought let alone rant and rave about it and accuse people of all sorts

Just concentrate on those who are interested rather than slagging off those who aren't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So after hours of debate and a total lack of empathy from either side what has this topic changed?

Nothing. Prejudice or preference we are still not interested in meeting bi guys.

We have not traded in insults in spite of being accused of prejudice.

Those who wish to believe this to be the case can go ahead with their simplistic black and white interpretation of the world. If that protects their fragile self worth then who am I to complain.

Bye all.

In all this you haven't given a reason why a guy you would be happy to meet if straight suddenly becomes a non starter if he is bi?

Either way you don't seem like the nicest couple so goodbye, nice not knowing you.

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By *risky_MareWoman
over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

I am sorry there is some misunderstanding on this thread. I meet bisexual men on here sometimes, but the fact remains that according to all the governmental statistics MSM (men who have sex with men) are at far higher risk of STI's. Some people do not want to meet for that reason, and it is a perfectly legitimate one.

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By *hoenixandflames OP Couple
over a year ago

Stockport

"So after hours of debate and a total lack of empathy from either side what has this topic changed?

Nothing. Prejudice or preference we are still not interested in meeting bi guys.

We have not traded in insults in spite of being accused of prejudice.

Those who wish to believe this to be the case can go ahead with their simplistic black and white interpretation of the world. If that protects their fragile self worth then who am I to complain.

Bye all.

You were the one that opted out of explaining himself?

And I didn't expect one post to change the world. I am not that naïve.

At least perhaps some may look at their choices, not change them, but at least look.

There's been pretty easy to understand methods of looking at how you'd make a judgement call, but I appreciate that you won't change that.

Karma would dictate that at some point you'd shag a Bi guy in a club one day.

But hey ho - Wasting the bytes, and I know you've run out of puff by blocking us.

No skin off either nose.

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Bi Male Phobia - ARGH!