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"I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but here goes... Anyone who goes back in the swinging scene 5 years+ would surely agree that the site no longer works for most in the way it used to. The main problems seem to be: 1) Men are generally treated as pond life with almost all messages going unanswered. 2) Womens inboxes overloaded often resulting in them rapidly leaving the site. 3) Quality of messages often diminished to just 2 or 3 words.."Hey"! 4) Huge numbers of fake women and couple profiles where only the male half is available. 5) Significant number of males who set up and recurrently get away with deleting profiles on a virtual weekly basis. 6) Utterly ridiculous imbalance between male and female members, perhaps as bad as 1000:1. - We only yesterday put a meet tonight up looking for a couple, where 184 of 188 views were from men only! Without drastic action these problems will only get worse, and are doing as many good people are jumping ship due to sheer frustration at how the site no longer works, yet nothing is done to address it. A bit like the NHS, anything free is often abused and Fab clearly is. Do people really want a free site that's shite in most ways for most people... Or something that actually works. How about??? ~ ALL single male profiles pay a fee to set up, where every male be it new or existing, pays a significant monthly fee to remain on site or face deletion... As do clubs and parties. Before the howls of anguish/abuse starts, this change would have the following benefits - Time wasting men or 90% would be permanently driven off site and deterred as it would cost them dear. For the remaining genuine serious men, it would greatly enhance their chances of securing meets, also leading to them being given greater respect due to there being vastly fewer of them. Not only that, but it would provide substantial revenue for the site, which could be put to good use to properly validate all female and couple profiles to ensure that a woman actually exists. This would eliminate fake female and couple profiles. Fakes, Timewasters and Imbalance all addressed rather than gimmicks eg: smiley faces/green dots which address precisely sweet fa! ....... Or we could all continue with a site in terminal decline where all decent members are gradually driven out. You choose ..... " Why just single men pay a higher fee? One thing about this world is that it extorts the single man. In my opinion everyone should be treat as equals. One price for all, in actual fact sincle couples have two people, they are the ones that should pay slightly more. I am generally talking about club admission fees here. However, I do agree with the subscription fee, possibly reducing fakes or people just here for the ego boost. However, to offset that on just the single male population is a little biased. | |||
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"well yeah of course if this site works for me then i'm fine with it being the way it is. i'm a single female, so in high demand. that's fine, and i have fiddled about with filters enough to the point where i know what to do when i can't cope on this site. 1) i know not all men are crap, just the crap ones are. 2) women get told to use filters when they first join the site (men might too, idk), i think this is a great addition to the site. if they can't cope with all the messages then they need to find ways to do that. 3) the internet in general has made some men lazy. especially mobile phone usage. also attitude to promiscuous women is still fairly old fashioned in that they will fuck anyone. many feel everything should be easy to get when they want it. they soon find out this isn't so and they either change their approach or they leave. 4) fake profiles are no problem for me, took me a few weeks to figure them out and how to handle myself online so as i didn't give them what they want. 5) see 3. and it hasn't been a big problem for me that people leave. 6) block men from messaging if you're after meeting a couple. also i don't think that many people abuse the NHS. you won't drive away time wasters, if they're still getting what they want off this site they will likely pay to use it. but you will attract more men who feel entitled to sex because they have paid for the privilege, in their opinion." completely agree with all of this! | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. " again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all" maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? " Ha ha read it out aloud record and send to admin | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? Ha ha read it out aloud record and send to admin " timer on the page, if you stay on for 5 mins then they can presume it's been read. | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? " now thats a sensible idea! | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? Ha ha read it out aloud record and send to admin " can you imagine having to listen to that for a living! | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? Ha ha read it out aloud record and send to admin can you imagine having to listen to that for a living!" i'd love that job actually. | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? Ha ha read it out aloud record and send to admin timer on the page, if you stay on for 5 mins then they can presume it's been read." given some of the messages i get, i can well believe it would take some people 5 minutes to read a profile! | |||
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"you need to make the site work for yourself though and cannot expect the site to change for you. and you're being more selfish than i am. i changed how i use this site to get what i want, never asked the site to change for me. again i completely agree...and making men pay wouldnt change the one major bugbear i have which is men not bothering to read profiles...that wouldnt be affected at all maybe if they get a discount for reading them though? Ha ha read it out aloud record and send to admin can you imagine having to listen to that for a living!" I am not saying a thing but then you do know what i sound like | |||
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"Women don't come across fake profiles as men are usually always men lol, but plenty females and couples are just men so it's generally only couples and men who deal with fakes. As women we don't really come across them. Timewasters are precisely that because they pay fuck all, they also tend not to be money wasters. As I said it's easy for us women. I don't have any problems handling/coping etc neither and also use filters, but like I said it's not about that as that's really irrelevant when it comes to addressing the most stupid imbalance of genders. Don't quite get why it ruffles everyone when a suggestion to bring about something better for all and sundry, basically isn't understood." doesnt 'ruffle' me at all, and i understand perfectly what you are saying; i just dont agree... and the gender ratio is far from 1000: 1,thats utterly ridiculous. | |||
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"Women don't come across fake profiles as men are usually always men lol, but plenty females and couples are just men so it's generally only couples and men who deal with fakes. As women we don't really come across them. Timewasters are precisely that because they pay fuck all, they also tend not to be money wasters. As I said it's easy for us women. I don't have any problems handling/coping etc neither and also use filters, but like I said it's not about that as that's really irrelevant when it comes to addressing the most stupid imbalance of genders. Don't quite get why it ruffles everyone when a suggestion to bring about something better for all and sundry, basically isn't understood." i also get fake women and couples messaging me for some reason, despite me not looking for that. i also get the guys who pretend to want to meet as a way of trying to get sex chat off me. but yes, because i am more open to certain things i do get a lot of men being more honest with me about what they really are and know that they are lying to other people on here. these men would still be genuine meets, they're just lying to get them. | |||
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"Most women would agree when it works no problem for them. And most of them don't really get the original post anyway." no one so far seems unable to get your post, they just dont agree, which is entirely different. | |||
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"Rather than punishing single men, why not think of something that will encourage more women to join?" This is actually a better idea. Not sure how though. | |||
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"That's fair enough and of course not fair to low earners. Hope it works for you then as if it doesn't being free means very little. Running my car costs money I don't have but I don't get around otherwise.. Suppose there's no such thing as a free lunch as the saying goes. Fab would be great if it was free and worked for most but due to the mental imbalance of men women there's a hell of a lot it doesn't work for, local updates usually says it all. Really valid point you made though, cheers." Using the reply and quote button makes it easier to know who you're replying to | |||
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"The membership 8 years ago was tiny in proportion to its present figure. It's increased in its thousands by men. " The geography of swinging as a whole has changed in that time.. the issue is not single guys its simply that you can google swinging and then join the site to "have a look" charging sngle guys to reduce numbers is totally wrong, both morally and logically.. desperate men PAY decent guys move on... Perhaps the "ivory tower" types or under 30's should be charged, as they are more likely to waste everyones time.. (not our thoughts just an example of a simlar daft premis) We think the site is the site, if you don' like it, no one makes you use it.. why not go to a different site that charges guys then you are in like minded company already... just our thoughts no offence meant or intended to anyone or all... | |||
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"That's a great idea too, maybe pay women to go on haha. It would be perhaps more appealing to women to join and remain if they didn't get bombarded by 3 word messages from idiot non committed men with no serious intentions... Which goes back to the gender imbalance no matter which way you look at it. Simply saying that needs addressing, not suggesting men need punishing. I'm sure they'd get rewarded with more meets, in what way is that a punishment...if a shop gave everything away free there'd be a stampede and the overwhelming majority would get nothing..a bit like Fab. Pricing is just a way of rationing demand to match supply. Right now, there's a massive excess demand. " Getting more women to join would be ideal but I'm sure many are put off by the crass messages that men often send. No subtlety or real attempt made to communicate. | |||
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"I think a way of controling profiles would be a rating system, if you meet or talk you can rate them. You only need a few things like Chat ability Meet Funny Naughty Cancelled If each time we rated them out of 10 each profile would have a rating for each that you can block out, I know I would want high ratings for chatting and funny as I mostly chat on fab due to having a daughter makes it hard for me to meet. So something so simple could massively change this site for all users, making anyone pay will not stop the current trend and it might put genuine people off if they don't have the money. " In theory I like this idea, but...oh god, I would end up obsessing over every rating. Like, 'why did he only give me a six for being funny? Am I not funny? And he only rated our meet as a seven? But he rated that other meet as a nine, I saw. What did she do that I didn't? Oh god, that's it, I'm never doing this again.' And I'm pretty confident and laidback. And what if you gave someone a poor one for cancelling and they retaliated with a dreadful score? I just don't know. | |||
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"I'm sure a lot of people will disagree, but here goes... Anyone who goes back in the swinging scene 5 years+ would surely agree that the site no longer works for most in the way it used to. The main problems seem to be: 1) Men are generally treated as pond life with almost all messages going unanswered. 2) Womens inboxes overloaded often resulting in them rapidly leaving the site. 3) Quality of messages often diminished to just 2 or 3 words.."Hey"! 4) Huge numbers of fake women and couple profiles where only the male half is available. 5) Significant number of males who set up and recurrently get away with deleting profiles on a virtual weekly basis. 6) Utterly ridiculous imbalance between male and female members, perhaps as bad as 1000:1. - We only yesterday put a meet tonight up looking for a couple, where 184 of 188 views were from men only! Without drastic action these problems will only get worse, and are doing as many good people are jumping ship due to sheer frustration at how the site no longer works, yet nothing is done to address it. A bit like the NHS, anything free is often abused and Fab clearly is. Do people really want a free site that's shite in most ways for most people... Or something that actually works. How about??? ~ ALL single male profiles pay a fee to set up, where every male be it new or existing, pays a significant monthly fee to remain on site or face deletion... As do clubs and parties. Before the howls of anguish/abuse starts, this change would have the following benefits - Time wasting men or 90% would be permanently driven off site and deterred as it would cost them dear. For the remaining genuine serious men, it would greatly enhance their chances of securing meets, also leading to them being given greater respect due to there being vastly fewer of them. Not only that, but it would provide substantial revenue for the site, which could be put to good use to properly validate all female and couple profiles to ensure that a woman actually exists. This would eliminate fake female and couple profiles. Fakes, Timewasters and Imbalance all addressed rather than gimmicks eg: smiley faces/green dots which address precisely sweet fa! ....... Or we could all continue with a site in terminal decline where all decent members are gradually driven out. You choose ..... " All you would then get is a huge influx of fake couples profiles set up by single men trying to get round the charge. you'd get looked at and approached by a lot more couples but they'd just be single men | |||
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"In theory I like this idea, but...oh god, I would end up obsessing over every rating. Like, 'why did he only give me a six for being funny? Am I not funny? And he only rated our meet as a seven? But he rated that other meet as a nine, I saw. What did she do that I didn't? Oh god, that's it, I'm never doing this again.' And I'm pretty confident and laidback. And what if you gave someone a poor one for cancelling and they retaliated with a dreadful score? I just don't know." I give your post a 7...wait, a 9. Dammit, a 4 | |||
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"you could decide yourself to only meet silver or gold supporters....that way you are meeting the people who are paying for the site..... actually - we think the site works fine providing that - 1) we exchange a few messages to gauge who is into what where and how 2) we exchange face pics 3) we speak on the phone before setting out to meet getting lots of messages doesn't bother us, we use the filters when we aren't looking for more singles/couples " Yep, I agree with this strategy. Works for me. No revolution required | |||
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"you could decide yourself to only meet silver or gold supporters....that way you are meeting the people who are paying for the site..... actually - we think the site works fine providing that - 1) we exchange a few messages to gauge who is into what where and how 2) we exchange face pics 3) we speak on the phone before setting out to meet getting lots of messages doesn't bother us, we use the filters when we aren't looking for more singles/couples " Exactly this | |||
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