FabSwingers.com forum: Sexual risk.. sharing dildos..condoms etc

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok so please bare with me as I've been pondering this...better than working..

There is a fair bit of talk here re bareback and the risks etc... all of which I get...

Now for info..we dont do bareback, ....but anyway have a think about this ..... (a lesser risk perhaps)

If two women play (scissoring for example) then I suspect that many would see that as low risk/ok???...but there IS an exchange of 'fluids' so a definate risk of sorts...my guess is very small.

So if you take the above as 'safe' then extend this to the women sharing a dildo?

Its inherently the same thing?..fluid exchange between women.

Now extend this a bit further..what about a bloke wearing a condom going between the two women?...again its the same thing as the dildo above, but I suspect many would say no to that risk??...

Actually that raises a question that I have no experience of.... If a bloke is playing with two or more women (penetration) then, in general, is he constantly whipping on and off condoms???...changing them etc...sounds like a mood killer to me and would need a shitload of condoms... what do you do people??

Anyway....Must make a study this weekend...

Sorry for the ramble...... back to work

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok so please bare with me as I've been pondering this...better than working..

There is a fair bit of talk here re bareback and the risks etc... all of which I get...

Now for info..we dont do bareback, ....but anyway have a think about this ..... (a lesser risk perhaps)

If two women play (scissoring for example) then I suspect that many would see that as low risk/ok???...but there IS an exchange of 'fluids' so a definate risk of sorts...my guess is very small.

So if you take the above as 'safe' then extend this to the women sharing a dildo?

Its inherently the same thing?..fluid exchange between women.

Now extend this a bit further..what about a bloke wearing a condom going between the two women?...again its the same thing as the dildo above, but I suspect many would say no to that risk??...

Anyway....Must make a study this weekend...

Sorry for the ramble...... back to work

Yep it is. We can get through a box sometimes with MFF's

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Thanks for the reply dude...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Ok so please bare with me as I've been pondering this...better than working..

There is a fair bit of talk here re bareback and the risks etc... all of which I get...

Now for info..we dont do bareback, ....but anyway have a think about this ..... (a lesser risk perhaps)

If two women play (scissoring for example) then I suspect that many would see that as low risk/ok???...but there IS an exchange of 'fluids' so a definate risk of sorts...my guess is very small.

So if you take the above as 'safe' then extend this to the women sharing a dildo?

Its inherently the same thing?..fluid exchange between women.

Now extend this a bit further..what about a bloke wearing a condom going between the two women?...again its the same thing as the dildo above, but I suspect many would say no to that risk??...

Anyway....Must make a study this weekend...

Sorry for the ramble...... back to work

I wouldn't take scissoring as safe or sharing toys. People have expressed surprise when we've said we bring our own toys and don't share though.

We play as safe as we feel comfortable with

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom."

Yep. I really hope there aren't many people who think it's ok to go from woman to woman without changing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't think scissoring is safe

If I as playing with a guy I would not lay with my legs open while he wiped his uncovered cock over my fanny then let him cum between my legs, to me that defeats the object of wearing a condom, I don't see two women rubbing Fanny's as any different

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When using toys a fresh condom on each toy. When playing with more than one woman seperate hands until able to wash hands or use anti bacterial gel.

It is always one man playing with more than woman comes up but rarely women who play with more than one man.

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over a year ago

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom.

Yep. I really hope there aren't many people who think it's ok to go from woman to woman without changing."

Loads of guys think that's fine

I've seen it many times in clubs

Few will admit they do it though

It's a fuck you I'm ok jack attitude and nobody after a shag will admit to that on here

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom.

Yep. I really hope there aren't many people who think it's ok to go from woman to woman without changing.

Loads of guys think that's fine

I've seen it many times in clubs

Few will admit they do it though

It's a fuck you I'm ok jack attitude and nobody after a shag will admit to that on here

You're right

Not to mention the "oh, sorry I didn't realise the condom had slipped off" chance rd.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When using toys a fresh condom on each toy. When playing with more than one woman seperate hands until able to wash hands or use anti bacterial gel.

It is always one man playing with more than woman comes up but rarely women who play with more than one man."

I find that hard to believe

I'm sorry but the thought of guys turning down women in a group situation because both hands have been used and running off to wash their hands mid session is not something I've ever encountered before

I can just see it now, women approach man and he says sorry but both my hands have played with other women so I'm going to take a rain check on this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we always change between seperate women, use condoms on toys and importantly wash or use wipes ir alcohol gel on our hands as well...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom.

Yep. I really hope there aren't many people who think it's ok to go from woman to woman without changing."

Definitely this.....always keep a little stash!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom.

Yep. I really hope there aren't many people who think it's ok to go from woman to woman without changing.

Loads of guys think that's fine

I've seen it many times in clubs

Few will admit they do it though

It's a fuck you I'm ok jack attitude and nobody after a shag will admit to that on here

You're right

Not to mention the "oh, sorry I didn't realise the condom had slipped off" chance rd."

I've had that a few times too

The guys who put a condom on shag you they turn you over doggy and wip the condom off hoping you won't notice

I tell you you have to be on your guard in this game

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So similarly 'gushing' on/over someone would be similar in peoples eyes then?

Thanks for the replies btw...

Im off to find figures if they exist...

I have a feeling the scissoring is a very small risk indeed...but I'm guessing

Wonder how this compares with the risk of, say, crossing the road? Or kissing or a BJ or..or etc

There probably isnt any data tbh

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom.

Yep. I really hope there aren't many people who think it's ok to go from woman to woman without changing.

Loads of guys think that's fine

I've seen it many times in clubs

Few will admit they do it though

It's a fuck you I'm ok jack attitude and nobody after a shag will admit to that on here

You're right

Not to mention the "oh, sorry I didn't realise the condom had slipped off" chance rd.

I've had that a few times too

The guys who put a condom on shag you they turn you over doggy and wip the condom off hoping you won't notice

I tell you you have to be on your guard in this game

Holy shit!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"So similarly 'gushing' on/over someone would be similar in peoples eyes then?

Thanks for the replies btw...

Im off to find figures if they exist...

I have a feeling the scissoring is a very small risk indeed...but I'm guessing

Wonder how this compares with the risk of, say, crossing the road? Or kissing or a BJ or..or etc

There probably isnt any data tbh

I think you'd drive yourself crazy trying to compare risk. I wouldn't some things that other people are happy to and vice versa the best any of us can do is take what we perceive to be acceptable risks to us and enjoy or give up

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

So none of this has cropped up for us as we are 'new' but deffo needs thought...

But hand gel, using different hands etc...wow...all very un-sexy

Hazmat suits needed it seems.... or scuba gear..

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So similarly 'gushing' on/over someone would be similar in peoples eyes then?

Thanks for the replies btw...

Im off to find figures if they exist...

I have a feeling the scissoring is a very small risk indeed...but I'm guessing

Wonder how this compares with the risk of, say, crossing the road? Or kissing or a BJ or..or etc

There probably isnt any data tbh

Agreed... 100% (and i'm sure of that data)

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Most clubs provide sanitising wipes and clean up kits which are designed for the bed area but can be used to clean hands. Some also have sinks near play areas. At the very least paper towels. Not perfect but better than plunging a finger wet with juices into a second lady.

I always have lots of comdoms on my person at clubs, and in my bag of toys there will be more. Often they don't get used but they are there just in case.

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By *ristol_MTB_cplCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

No sex is safe sex, but you try your best. Different people have different attitudes to risk. I wouldn't be OTT about it, but you make the effort where possible so change condoms, don't use toys on two women, be aware of which hands been where. Some people also use protection. Do what your comfortable with, and respect others choices (always go with the 'safest' view in the group)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about multiple blow job

How many guys wouldnt want a blow job off a woman who had already given one to somebody else unprotected

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Very interesting discussion btw

Thanks

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"What about multiple blow job

How many guys wouldnt want a blow job off a woman who had already given one to somebody else unprotected

If the guy came in her mouth and she had not rinsed it, I would decline unless I had reason to know he was clean.

If he did not cum in her mouth, probably no problem.

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By *ristol_MTB_cplCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

"No sex is safe sex, but you try your best. Different people have different attitudes to risk. I wouldn't be OTT about it, but you make the effort where possible so change condoms, don't use toys on two women, be aware of which hands been where. Some people also use protection. Do what your comfortable with, and respect others choices (always go with the 'safest' view in the group) "

Some people also use protection for oral *

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And

I'm in a roll now

If your a guy having a FFM does that mean you can't give both women oral?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The think the safest option is book a hotel with a wet room and just fuck in their, wash as you play

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

"And

I'm in a roll now

If your a guy having a FFM does that mean you can't give both women oral?"

At a club I will clean myself between giving oral to ladies. It is good practice to look for paper towel dispensers and have a glass of water with you to facilitate quick clean ups. Not 100% risk free but minimises risk.

If playing with friends I know some don't mind me going between them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And

I'm in a roll now

If your a guy having a FFM does that mean you can't give both women oral?

If playing with friends I know some don't mind me going between them. "

I'm glad I'm not bi

Having a guy keep nipping off to clean himself up between playing with me and the other women would drive me nuts

All this hand washing and mouth rinsing

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"And

I'm in a roll now

If you're a guy having a FFM does that mean you can't give both women oral?"

You are lol

And if the guy gives oral to two women as above then thats exactly the same as scissoring and the other stuff I posted originally...

Become a Monk Nun?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of it is comman sense and knowledge

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I think a lot of the above is psycological (important of course)

Eg... a guy moving from one woman to the other with the same condom, to most just seems wrong... as does swapping toys

But its pretty much the same thing as multiple oral which I bet loads do in an orgy situation?... people just dont think it through logically I guess...

Ok now ive turned into a bloody mood hoover lol ..... almost Zumba time (guy)....yeah I said it...Zumba

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's amazing how many guys try to start without a condom! I have a draw full and always have a couple on the side.

Am i weird in asking a guy to change condoms if going from my ass back to my pussy?

I have allergies with certain condoms,lubes and toys so try and keep risks to a minimum....it can be a pain

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"When using toys a fresh condom on each toy. When playing with more than one woman seperate hands until able to wash hands or use anti bacterial gel.

It is always one man playing with more than woman comes up but rarely women who play with more than one man."

Yeah...right!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"When using toys a fresh condom on each toy. When playing with more than one woman seperate hands until able to wash hands or use anti bacterial gel.

It is always one man playing with more than woman comes up but rarely women who play with more than one man.

I find that hard to believe

I can just see it now, women approach man and he says sorry but both my hands have played with other women so I'm going to take a rain check on this

Not just me being cynical then!

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

"So none of this has cropped up for us as we are 'new' but deffo needs thought...

But hand gel, using different hands etc...wow...all very un-sexy

Hazmat suits needed it seems.... or scuba gear..

Over the years reading some of these threads I'm amazed Love Honey hasn't developed a hazmat range of products. Now I think of it, I will, I'll be onto a winner!

Next stop Dragons Den!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok so please bare with me as I've been pondering this...better than working..

There is a fair bit of talk here re bareback and the risks etc... all of which I get...

Now for info..we dont do bareback, ....but anyway have a think about this ..... (a lesser risk perhaps)

If two women play (scissoring for example) then I suspect that many would see that as low risk/ok???...but there IS an exchange of 'fluids' so a definate risk of sorts...my guess is very small.

So if you take the above as 'safe' then extend this to the women sharing a dildo?

Its inherently the same thing?..fluid exchange between women.

Now extend this a bit further..what about a bloke wearing a condom going between the two women?...again its the same thing as the dildo above, but I suspect many would say no to that risk??...

Anyway....Must make a study this weekend...

Sorry for the ramble...... back to work

Yeah it's one of the most frustrating elements of an FFM. The constant switching of condoms. Or even when one of the girls is a regular partner the switching between safe and raw.

Every time you have that change its a break in the flow and it does slightly ruin it.

The best FFMs are between two girls who know and trust each other so you can either keep one condom on or go raw with both. But that's very hard to arrange. Only managed it once.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So similarly 'gushing' on/over someone would be similar in peoples eyes then?

Thanks for the replies btw...

Im off to find figures if they exist...

I have a feeling the scissoring is a very small risk indeed...but I'm guessing

Wonder how this compares with the risk of, say, crossing the road? Or kissing or a BJ or..or etc

There probably isnt any data tbh

Comparing unprotected sex to crossing a road, I think the most accurate analogy would be shutting your eyes, stepping off the pavement, and just hoping for the best

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With oral sex apparently (I've looked into this), the risk increases with poor gum health. For instance if you're someone whose gums bleed sometimes when brushing, the risk is massively increased.

Either way I'd still see it as taking a risk.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So none of this has cropped up for us as we are 'new' but deffo needs thought...

But hand gel, using different hands etc...wow...all very un-sexy

Hazmat suits needed it seems.... or scuba gear..

Over the years reading some of these threads I'm amazed Love Honey hasn't developed a hazmat range of products. Now I think of it, I will, I'll be onto a winner!

Next stop Dragons Den!

OI.... my bleedin quote is above yours ^^^^ so I'm claiming it

70/30 as I sign of good faith...best I can do

SwingSuit (tm) .... "To Protect and Serv(ice)"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So similarly 'gushing' on/over someone would be similar in peoples eyes then?

Thanks for the replies btw...

Im off to find figures if they exist...

I have a feeling the scissoring is a very small risk indeed...but I'm guessing

Wonder how this compares with the risk of, say, crossing the road? Or kissing or a BJ or..or etc

There probably isnt any data tbh

Comparing unprotected sex to crossing a road, I think the most accurate analogy would be shutting your eyes, stepping off the pavement, and just hoping for the best "

Wouldnt fancy crossing any road with eyes closed...very high risk of death...way more than any sexual related risk...I guess you werent comparing directly??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So similarly 'gushing' on/over someone would be similar in peoples eyes then?

Thanks for the replies btw...

Im off to find figures if they exist...

I have a feeling the scissoring is a very small risk indeed...but I'm guessing

Wonder how this compares with the risk of, say, crossing the road? Or kissing or a BJ or..or etc

There probably isnt any data tbh

Comparing unprotected sex to crossing a road, I think the most accurate analogy would be shutting your eyes, stepping off the pavement, and just hoping for the best

Wouldnt fancy crossing any road with eyes closed...very high risk of death...way more than any sexual related risk...I guess you werent comparing directly??

Just in the sense that it only takes one moment of bad luck/bad judgement even in an apparently low-risk situation.

I guess my point was that the stakes are high even if it's a low risk, so it still seems a huge gamble to take. To me anyway, it's just my personal view on the subject.

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By *radualWoman
over a year ago

Derbyshire

Easy awnser , get regular health checks and only play with people that do the same, there even free these days!

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By *bsinthe_boyMan
over a year ago

Luton

Different sexual activities carry different risks. As someone posted, oral sex is much less of a risk unless the giver has bleeding gums, mouth sores etc.

Vaginal sex is risky for both parties, as is anal. Using toys or fingers on two different ladies is only really a risk to the second lady, unless the person handling the toys or fingering has open wounds.

And all that assumes someone has a disease in the first place.

Everyone has different levels of risk that they are willing to accept. I would probably cross the road in front of my home blindfolded because it is not busy and I could hear if a car was coming. I would not cross the main road blindfolded under any circumstances.

As for condoms falling off, it's happened to me a couple of times at parties and I've always pulled out and explained what happened. One time I had one break inside a lady and I genuinely did not realise until I had cum and withdrawn. Actually it was a MFF with my wife and then girlfriend. I put on a new condom for my girlfriend after satisfying my wife, and the two ladies held hands while I made love to my girlfriend...on pulling out I realised the end had broken (Skyn brand so very thin) and I had cum inside her...ruined the mood because that was NOT the intention. Fortunately no long term consequences for anyone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Theres no such thing as safe sex only safer sex.

There is always a risk it's just up to the individuals concerned how much risk they are prepared to take.

For me penetration is always with a condom as it's a relatively high risk act. I'm prepared to take my chances with the lower risk unprotected oral but each to their own.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ok so please bare with me as I've been pondering this...better than working..

There is a fair bit of talk here re bareback and the risks etc... all of which I get...

Now for info..we dont do bareback, ....but anyway have a think about this ..... (a lesser risk perhaps)

If two women play (scissoring for example) then I suspect that many would see that as low risk/ok???...but there IS an exchange of 'fluids' so a definate risk of sorts...my guess is very small.

So if you take the above as 'safe' then extend this to the women sharing a dildo?

Its inherently the same thing?..fluid exchange between women.

Now extend this a bit further..what about a bloke wearing a condom going between the two women?...again its the same thing as the dildo above, but I suspect many would say no to that risk??...

Anyway....Must make a study this weekend...

Sorry for the ramble...... back to work

I wouldn't take scissoring as safe or sharing toys. People have expressed surprise when we've said we bring our own toys and don't share though.

We play as safe as we feel comfortable with

This and I also have toy bacterial wipes at the ready

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What about multiple blow job

How many guys wouldnt want a blow job off a woman who had already given one to somebody else unprotected

If the guy came in her mouth and she had not rinsed it, I would decline unless I had reason to know he was clean.

If he did not cum in her mouth, probably no problem. "

Yes but you don't know if she played with a few men before you and they all shot a load in her mouth. What then?

Doll x

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

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By *habsMan
over a year ago

Fortress of Solitude, Middlesex

I posted sometime back ago an all female scenario and no condoms, interesting responses as seemingly no one had ever thought about it:

www.fabswingers.com/forum/swingers/17827

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"When using toys a fresh condom on each toy. When playing with more than one woman seperate hands until able to wash hands or use anti bacterial gel.

It is always one man playing with more than woman comes up but rarely women who play with more than one man.

I find that hard to believe

I can just see it now, women approach man and he says sorry but both my hands have played with other women so I'm going to take a rain check on this

Not just me being cynical then!

definitely not.. ive still never in all my years seen anyone stop to wash hands or wipe mouths in between.. or had a guy in a club not want to step up next in a group situation.

I have seen people insist on changing condoms and using condoms on toys.

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By *edRidingWolfCouple
over a year ago

Lydney

I'm straight so not an issue about girls swapping fluids.

We haven't played in large groups before for the hand washing scenario to become an issue

Always keep a big stash of condoms, and I have a latex allergy so we always make sure to provide for everyone. Always change before swapping to another partner ... Whether it's a toy or a cock.

Red x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any exchange of bodily fluids is a risk, kissing after oral sex, fingering, anything that includes fluids.. The risk sadly (hate to be a killjoy) isn't as low as you'd like to think, gonorrhoea and chlamydia can be caught very easily and you or the carrier may not have any symptoms at all!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom."

As it should be

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Any exchange of bodily fluids is a risk, kissing after oral sex, fingering, anything that includes fluids.. The risk sadly (hate to be a killjoy) isn't as low as you'd like to think, gonorrhoea and chlamydia can be caught very easily and you or the carrier may not have any symptoms at all!!!!

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sorry but oral is quite low risk...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry but oral is quite low risk... "

Not as low as people think!! Hate to be a killjoy, but if you want to stay safe... This is a useful link!

http://www.fpa.org.uk/sites/default/files/oral-sex-and-sexually-transmitted-infections.pdf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I have a big stash of comdoms for any time my toys are used on any lady I am playing with...and I wash them after.

If I am in a group situation and penetrating more than one woman, each lady gets me with a fresh condom."
Damn right!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

sorry but oral is quite low risk...

Not as low as people think!! Hate to be a killjoy, but if you want to stay safe... This is a useful link!

http://www.fpa.org.uk/sites/default/files/oral-sex-and-sexually-transmitted-infections.pdf

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I'm very aware of what the risk is but it is still.low risk.. ive been doing this since my early 20s... I have sucked a lot of cock... i go every 4-6 weeks for my check ups.. i talk to them about my antics and find out about new worries etc....

id rather not give a bj than do so with a condom on...

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By *.1079Man
over a year ago

rhyl

So it's high risk if your gums bleed. Thank God I usually tell them to take their teeth out first. I'm taking this is low risk or have I just been mistaken again. I might have to just wrap myself up in clig film

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"So none of this has cropped up for us as we are 'new' but deffo needs thought...

But hand gel, using different hands etc...wow...all very un-sexy

Hazmat suits needed it seems.... or scuba gear..

Yeah but you should try triple combination therapy...unsexy as fuck...

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By *ob198XaMan
over a year ago

teleford

The guys who put a condom on shag you they turn you over doggy and wip the condom off hoping you won't notice

I tell you you have to be on your guard in this game

In my book if you have been clear you are having protected sex and later the guy sneakily takes the condom off and carries on without you knowing, that boarders on being rape. Definitely not cool!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

new condom every time partner is changed here

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"And

I'm in a roll now

If your a guy having a FFM does that mean you can't give both women oral?"

There a bastard to get and keep on your tongue!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ask a Dr at a GU clinic not a forum of swingers!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hahaha I like this.

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