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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response "May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all "Does not give anyone the right to be degrading though!  | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all "Yeah why bother with charm and sophistication its wasted on them women aint it mate | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
Does not give anyone the right to be degrading though! "Not trying to be degrading I was just asking people do after say if they don't want to | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all "There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here. | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here."I am really that bothered to be fair | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here.
I am really that bothered to be fair "Then why waste your time?! (although the fact you've removed your profile pic does show 'bothered'!!) | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here.
I am really that bothered to be fair
Then why waste your time?!
(although the fact you've removed your profile pic does show 'bothered'!!) "Well spotted | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " 153 | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all "However the normal rules of conversation still apply . Successfull members of the site are probably a bit more subtle . We all know it is a sex site so some of the non sexual aspects may become a lot more important. | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here.
I am really that bothered to be fair
Then why waste your time?!
(although the fact you've removed your profile pic does show 'bothered'!!) "It would be interesting to know why he removed the picture .. | |||
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"Good comment i agree but read profiles if it aint ticked it aint what the Lady wants. "Yeah personally thats what id do, but i see all sorts of topics on here asking who is into X, or Y. And never has there been any suggestion its rude to ask. Stinks of "Face fitting" to me | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. " He could have worded the question in an entirely different manner and made it less rude . Why not just ask the question how many ladies enjoy anal. | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. " I was not trying to be rude or anything I was just asking a question and that was it buts I guess people can take that what ever way they want to | |||
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"Good comment i agree but read profiles if it aint ticked it aint what the Lady wants.
Yeah personally thats what id do, but i see all sorts of topics on here asking who is into X, or Y. And never has there been any suggestion its rude to ask.
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May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all "Swingers aren't animals  | |||
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"I was not trying to be rude or anything I was just asking a question and that was it buts I guess people can take that what ever way they want to " I'm sure you didn't meant to be rude but "How many lasses really like to take it up the arse" is crass and unsexy. | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse 153 " In my experience it is 7.4% of women.......well of those I've met so far! Not necessarily a scientific experiment, but I had fun doing the research. | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials " Absolutely spot on
On a seperate note to answer OPs qstn - mrs like anal with me but not with other men. | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials " Some of us reply with no fear of what others think and only with what we think. | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. I was not trying to be rude or anything I was just asking a question and that was it buts I guess people can take that what ever way they want to " Well you see sometime it's not what you say but how you say it. Here's an example of someone who's essentially asked the same question as you. But he's had a better response than your self because of the way he's phrased it. https://www.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/490546 | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials Some of us reply with no fear of what others think and only with what we think." I respectfully direct you to point 2. And whilst there is nothing wrong with that, when it's judgmental, involves ridicule, imposes beliefs, bullying , or has absolutely no worth or place why do it? Why not just ignore the thread? For no other reason than self righteousness, to enflame, hurt, and make oneself feel better at the expense of another. Bullying and trolling, far too much of it goes on in these forums sadly. If someone doesn't agree with or like thread, why not ignore it? Unless a poster is asking for opinions, then there really is no need to share them is there? | |||
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nah, for many women I think it just depends on who is doing it and any past experiences tbh. | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " Tried it hated it lol | |||
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"I respectfully direct you to point 2. And whilst there is nothing wrong with that, when it's judgmental, involves ridicule, imposes beliefs, bullying , or has absolutely no worth or place why do it? Why not just ignore the thread? For no other reason than self righteousness, to enflame, hurt, and make oneself feel better at the expense of another. Bullying and trolling, far too much of it goes on in these forums sadly. If someone doesn't agree with or like thread, why not ignore it? Unless a poster is asking for opinions, then there really is no need to share them is there?" I post because it's a public forum and I join in. I resent that you are implying I am a troll. You couldn't be farther from the truth. And, as is often the case, those accusing others of doing things are doing them themselves in their self righteous posts | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials " | |||
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We're all capable of many things, but we don't do them.
It's called social conscience.
But I guess I'm pissing in the wind here. And in the interest of not hijacking the thread, I shall say no more. | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. I was not trying to be rude or anything I was just asking a question and that was it buts I guess people can take that what ever way they want to " Absolutely | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " Only from my hubby  | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials " True dat. A=YES!!  | |||
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"I respectfully direct you to point 2. And whilst there is nothing wrong with that, when it's judgmental, involves ridicule, imposes beliefs, bullying , or has absolutely no worth or place why do it? Why not just ignore the thread? For no other reason than self righteousness, to enflame, hurt, and make oneself feel better at the expense of another. Bullying and trolling, far too much of it goes on in these forums sadly. If someone doesn't agree with or like thread, why not ignore it? Unless a poster is asking for opinions, then there really is no need to share them is there? I post because it's a public forum and I join in. I resent that you are implying I am a troll. You couldn't be farther from the truth. And, as is often the case, those accusing others of doing things are doing them themselves in their self righteous posts "I spotted the irony too | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. " | |||
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"Good comment i agree but read profiles if it aint ticked it aint what the Lady wants.
Yeah personally thats what id do, but i see all sorts of topics on here asking who is into X, or Y. And never has there been any suggestion its rude to ask.
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"Ahh, the age old adage "because I can", "it's a public forum" Whatever excuse you need to make to feel better about yourself
We're all capable of many things, but we don't do them.
It's called social conscience.
But I guess I'm pissing in the wind here. And in the interest of not hijacking the thread, I shall say no more. "No idea who you are or why you've taken offence at what I've said but you enjoy yourself there  | |||
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"Only with my hubby OP .... But I will send you an ass pic xxxxx Suzi" Thank you suzi xxx | |||
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"Good comment i agree but read profiles if it aint ticked it aint what the Lady wants. "I have anal listed under my interests. It means I give, with a strap-on, not take! | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question" What you perhaps didn't realise is that people knew it was just a question but were demonstrating that there are nicer ways to ask a question. And doing things the 'nicer' way on Fab tends to get better results. Hope you've got that now | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " Probably about 11 but might even be as many as 14 | |||
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"Ahh, the age old adage "because I can", "it's a public forum" Whatever excuse you need to make to feel better about yourself
We're all capable of many things, but we don't do them.
It's called social conscience.
But I guess I'm pissing in the wind here. And in the interest of not hijacking the thread, I shall say no more. "...not hijacking the thread?.....ha ha | |||
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"Only with my hubby OP .... But I will send you an ass pic xxxxx Suzi" Thats just favoritism Suzi | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials " Nail on head | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question" Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse? | |||
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"Some of us reply with no fear of what others think and only with what we think." Indeed. And some of the posts we object to are those that lack this social conscience we are expected to have. Very often it's as simple as how things are phrased and whether people are being respected or whether they are being treated like cheap meat that determines how things go. | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse? "I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question" Yes, it was a question but the implication that it's fine to be crass just because we're swingers was a bit rude. The people on this site are the exact same people you find off this site. As someone else said, we aren't animals. | |||
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"Only with my hubby OP .... But I will send you an ass pic xxxxx Suzi Thats just favoritism Suzi "Lol...... no, it's just me being in a favourable mood today xxxxxx | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. " | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass "Oh dull! | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " There goes my Block Button again!and I met a few guy's on and off fab who wanted me to finger their anals,to be fair guy's g-spots are in their asses. | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yes, it was a question but the implication that it's fine to be crass just because we're swingers was a bit rude. The people on this site are the exact same people you find off this site. As someone else said, we aren't animals." Also OP, many of the people that didn't feel the need to try and "educate you", or impose their beliefs and opinions and rules of etiquette on you are swingers too, and commented positively in response to your question, and didn't take offence, judge you, or feel the need to dissect your question, or indeed feel that you thought we were all animals | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
Oh dull!
I never said I wunt try it but it would with a lass if I did try it
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials Nail on head" | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yes, it was a question but the implication that it's fine to be crass just because we're swingers was a bit rude. The people on this site are the exact same people you find off this site. As someone else said, we aren't animals. Also OP, many of the people that didn't feel the need to try and "educate you", or impose their beliefs and opinions and rules of etiquette on you are swingers too, and commented positively in response to your question, and didn't take offence, judge you, or feel the need to dissect your question, or indeed feel that you thought we were all animals "I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
Oh dull!
I never said I wunt try it but it would with a lass if I did try it
That's why I said dull
Why is that dull "It's much better to have the real thing trust me... | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " I am amazed at how many women have asked for it. I've usually oblidged although I'm not a fan. | |||
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I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from "Most if us know that my friend - it was an interpretation weaved in by a minority of the posters on here who took exception to your question, led I suspect by their own issues rather than anything else | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
Oh dull!
I never said I wunt try it but it would with a lass if I did try it
That's why I said dull
Why is that dull
It's much better to have the real thing trust me..."I am only in to less so there real thing is not my thing so it wunt be better for me | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
Oh dull!
I never said I wunt try it but it would with a lass if I did try it
That's why I said dull
Why is that dull
It's much better to have the real thing trust me...
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Yeah but the question is op do you like taking it up the arse?
I have never tried it so I couldn't say if I do or don't and the only way I would try it is with a lass
Oh dull!
I never said I wunt try it but it would with a lass if I did try it
That's why I said dull
Why is that dull
It's much better to have the real thing trust me...
I am only in to less so there real thing is not my thing so it wunt be better for me
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from" Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other?" This site is people looking to meet over people for sex and a pub is people going out to have a drink and a fun with mates and family not to go find sex so I don't even know how you have but them to together unless you only go out to pub to go find sex | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other?" What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's." Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other?" Feels to me over the last few days people are getting picked up on their forum phrasings, I've seem them explain / apologise to no avail. I know I sometimes can't always find the right way of saying something, some I know will understand what I mean as they 'know' me & some will pounce & show no mercy! | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? This site is people looking to meet over people for sex and a pub is people going out to have a drink and a fun with mates and family not to go find sex so I don't even know how you have but them to together unless you only go out to pub to go find sex " There should be no difference in how you treat peoole , whethwr on this site or in a pub. Good manners are still inportant . | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's." No, I asked why he thinks swingers are any different, and any less deserving of respect and charm than anyone else. I'm not imposing anything on the OP but I am entitled to give my opinion and it happens to be that I think the OP was not the most effective way to ask the question. I strongly disagree with the sentiment that it's OK to be crass here because we're swingers and that's appropriate behaviour. But hey, if the OP wants to put off a big chunk of the people he's looking for, it doesn't bother me. Not all that many weeks ago the OP was on here complaining nobody would reply to his messages. I can't imagine why. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? This site is people looking to meet over people for sex and a pub is people going out to have a drink and a fun with mates and family not to go find sex so I don't even know how you have but them to together unless you only go out to pub to go find sex There should be no difference in how you treat peoole , whethwr on this site or in a pub. Good manners are still inportant . " We are the same people after all. Swingers aren't a different breed, kept corralled separately on sites like these. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . " Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. No, I asked why he thinks swingers are any different, and any less deserving of respect and charm than anyone else. I'm not imposing anything on the OP but I am entitled to give my opinion and it happens to be that I think the OP was not the most effective way to ask the question. I strongly disagree with the sentiment that it's OK to be crass here because we're swingers and that's appropriate behaviour. But hey, if the OP wants to put off a big chunk of the people he's looking for, it doesn't bother me. Not all that many weeks ago the OP was on here complaining nobody would reply to his messages. I can't imagine why." Like you, We're swingers too. We didn't feel he was crass, or rude, or thought all swingers were "animals" as you seemed to green from his question..???..... We didn't feel the need to stop and mention that we didn't think that. Why did you feel the need to stop by and mention you thought what you thought, based on YOUR standards, not every swingers standards. What makes your standards better than anyone else's? Why did you feel you needed to educate the OP, by your standards, and believe those were the standards of all of us? He hasn't put off a big chunk of people, as many have answered his simple question (which was all that he wanted - not a lesson in etiquette, standards or someone else's beliefs) Who said it was crass? Because YOU thought so? We didn't, and neither did many people, who again have replied to the simple question without passing comment on the OP. Who said he thought swingers were different to anyone else, and deserved less respect? It's entirely led by your own issues, not his, which Inwould humbly and respectfully suggest you explore. You don't like it, move past the thread. | |||
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"I like you ChrisNik Lol No up the arse does nothing for me might as well be fucking my armpit and I'm not into that either lol" Hehe thanks
It's just mind blowing how judgmental people are on here. How quick people are to jump on other. The level of negativity in these forums is heartbreaking, particularly in a scene where you would hope people would be less judgmental and tolerant of other beliefs and values!
And in all the posts, it has just occurred we haven't acuall yet answered the OP's question.....
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"I like you ChrisNik Lol No up the arse does nothing for me might as well be fucking my armpit and I'm not into that either lol Hehe thanks
It's just mind blowing how judgmental people are on here. How quick people are to jump on other. The level of negativity in these forums is heartbreaking, particularly in a scene where you would hope people would be less judgmental and tolerant of other beliefs and values!
And in all the posts, it has just occurred we haven't acuall yet answered the OP's question.....
Mr isn't really bothered (as a giver, complete no no to receiving! Lol , Mrs loves it if really horny, relaxed and in the right mood "I do have to agree I like the forums but have seen a lot of not nice and not needed responses like you say if you don't like something jog on to one you do like. I was gonna say you didn't spill the beans lol | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question" Of course you're not being rude, you're just from Hull where people are brought up to say what they mean!! I get accused of being blunt. I thought the question was quite funny. I love it up the arse but I'm very particular who I do this with. Too many blokes get anal wrong. | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse There goes my Block Button again!and I met a few guy's on and off fab who wanted me to finger their anals,to be fair guy's g-spots are in their asses. "What is your point ? | |||
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"I would like to say thanks you to the people that don't take it the wrong way and was standing up for me cause I don't mean for it to come across rude or anything like that it was just a question Of course you're not being rude, you're just from Hull where people are brought up to say what they mean!! I get accused of being blunt. I thought the question was quite funny. I love it up the arse but I'm very particular who I do this with. Too many blokes get anal wrong. " I am fussing its mostly just a hull think that we just say it how it is lol | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't...." So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. No, I asked why he thinks swingers are any different, and any less deserving of respect and charm than anyone else. I'm not imposing anything on the OP but I am entitled to give my opinion and it happens to be that I think the OP was not the most effective way to ask the question. I strongly disagree with the sentiment that it's OK to be crass here because we're swingers and that's appropriate behaviour. But hey, if the OP wants to put off a big chunk of the people he's looking for, it doesn't bother me. Not all that many weeks ago the OP was on here complaining nobody would reply to his messages. I can't imagine why. Like you, We're swingers too. We didn't feel he was crass, or rude, or thought all swingers were "animals" as you seemed to green from his question..???..... We didn't feel the need to stop and mention that we didn't think that. Why did you feel the need to stop by and mention you thought what you thought, based on YOUR standards, not every swingers standards. What makes your standards better than anyone else's? Why did you feel you needed to educate the OP, by your standards, and believe those were the standards of all of us? He hasn't put off a big chunk of people, as many have answered his simple question (which was all that he wanted - not a lesson in etiquette, standards or someone else's beliefs) Who said it was crass? Because YOU thought so? We didn't, and neither did many people, who again have replied to the simple question without passing comment on the OP. Who said he thought swingers were different to anyone else, and deserved less respect? It's entirely led by your own issues, not his, which Inwould humbly and respectfully suggest you explore. You don't like it, move past the thread." I didn't. The post was up for at least 5 hours before I commented. My first post was not a criticism of the OP at all. My subsequent posts were in support of people I know to be kind and reasonable people being attacked for pointing out to the OP he might not be doing himself any favours. You don't think the comment was crass? Many others don't? Well, many others also do. If I'm not in a position to say it's crass, nor are you to say it isn't. Above when told he probably won't be successful on here with his approach, he said he doesn't care. Someone who doesn't care doesn't start threads asking why nobody will reply to their messages and how to get some success. Like I said though, I agree that the OP can say what he likes within the rules. If it doesn't bother him that he is likely to be putting off a chunk of the people he's looking for, then I say crack on. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP." You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. " Fantastic reply, | |||
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"You don't think the comment was crass? Many others don't? Well, many others also do. If I'm not in a position to say it's crass, nor are you to say it isn't. Above when told he probably won't be successful on here with his approach, he said he doesn't care. Someone who doesn't care doesn't start threads asking why nobody will reply to their messages and how to get some success. Like I said though, I agree that the OP can say what he likes within the rules. If it doesn't bother him that he is likely to be putting off a chunk of the people he's looking for, then I say crack on." I think you'll find I made no judgment at all on the OP's post...... I don't have issues that drove an unnecessary desire to do so either. Those that commented that they didn't feel his comment was crass only did so in response to make him feel better, from the comments of the "good" people you know and you, that made a person asking a simple question, and trying to get involved in the forums feel like crap, because of those issues driving a need to pass judgement on him and the way he phrased something. | |||
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"Good comment i agree but read profiles if it aint ticked it aint what the Lady wants.
Yeah personally thats what id do, but i see all sorts of topics on here asking who is into X, or Y. And never has there been any suggestion its rude to ask.
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"I'd be interested to know whether you are the male or female half, whether you meet single men and whether you message much with single men. (I'm not asking because I don't expect you to say. It's just late night pondering)" Is your interested driven by a need to make judgment? | |||
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"It's hard enough for us guys to find meets on here without things like that getting posted jheez " What do you mean?? Explain? | |||
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"I'd be interested to know whether you are the male or female half, whether you meet single men and whether you message much with single men. (I'm not asking because I don't expect you to say. It's just late night pondering) Is your interested driven by a need to make judgment? " No, I'm interested in why we see things differently. As I said though, it's pondering, not a burning need to know. You do realise though, every time you decide to meet someone or decide not to meet someone, you're judging them? We all make judgements. We have to in order to make decisions. We'd all meet just anybody otherwise. It's just some judgements are fair and relevant and some aren't. | |||
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"It's hard enough for us guys to find meets on here without things like that getting posted jheez What do you mean?? Explain?" You know exactly what he means. He's not necessarily correct but you know what he means. | |||
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"It's hard enough for us guys to find meets on here without things like that getting posted jheez What do you mean?? Explain? You know exactly what he means. He's not necessarily correct but you know what he means." No I don't, how can the OPs wording of a forum thread have any baring on his or anyone else's lack of 'success' on here? | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials " Couldn't have put it better myself | |||
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"You do realise though, every time you decide to meet someone or decide not to meet someone, you're judging them? We all make judgements. We have to in order to make decisions. We'd all meet just anybody otherwise. It's just some judgements are fair and relevant and some aren't." Absolutely agree on all points. What isn't fair and relevant however is to share them, or indeed impress upon that person to try to meet your judgment of them, or seek approval from you based on your judgments or standards. That would be degrading wouldn't it? (Ok ok, there are plenty of people into that on here, but I feel confident it doesn't apply in this situation lol ) Interesting what your thoughts would be if: It was the male half typing. Or the female half. Or both of us sat together agreeing as a couple on our response. If we interact with single men. If we don't? Lots of scenarios there don't expect you to answer any of them, or desire you to lol | |||
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"It's hard enough for us guys to find meets on here without things like that getting posted jheez " What I have put on here as nothing to do with your meets so don't blame me if you ain't get any meets | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here."How has he been rude he's asked the women if the forums who likes anal. | |||
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"Ask the same question in a couple of hours OP, and you may get a different response entirely. You can usually judge how a thread is going to go by the first couple of answers. There's an incredibly similar thread going that initially had a couple of positive/jokey responses leading to the thread going well. Rules of the negative thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Self righteous single ladies or couple post negative comments first, before any helpful, interesting or replies in context are submitted, feeling they must put their two penneth worth in rather than just ignore the post, not understanding that everyone does not have their values or beliefs. 3. Single men jump on board agreeing with negative comments just to prove how chivalrous and decent they are to said single ladies and couples, in a bid to up their chances of a meet. 4. At this point anyone with positive comments in context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be lynched and bullied by the previous posters (with the exception of one or two braver ones) 5. The thread degrades into an arguement, generally with the OP being ridiculed and bullied, sometimes fearing to never post again. Rules of the positive thread usually go: 1. OP starts a thread. 2. Any one posts positive, helpful or comments in context first, before any negative replies out of context are submitted. 3. Others jump on board agreeing with comments adding jokes or helpful comments because the thread is fun. 4. At this point anyone with negative comments out of context with the OP don't want to post, in the fear they may be exposed as a troller or just a negative person. (Other than the brave one or two, who just don't get it) 5. The thread evolves into an interesting and fun one, generally with the OP being included, or folds into nothingness because no one has anything positive to say, and the negative ones actually have the decency just to ignore the post entirely, at which point the OP learns that their conduct may need to change without being ridiculed, or bullied. If nothing OP, you've just learned of a few people to cull from your list of potentials Some of us reply with no fear of what others think and only with what we think. I respectfully direct you to point 2. And whilst there is nothing wrong with that, when it's judgmental, involves ridicule, imposes beliefs, bullying , or has absolutely no worth or place why do it? Why not just ignore the thread? For no other reason than self righteousness, to enflame, hurt, and make oneself feel better at the expense of another. Bullying and trolling, far too much of it goes on in these forums sadly. If someone doesn't agree with or like thread, why not ignore it? Unless a poster is asking for opinions, then there really is no need to share them is there?" Well said | |||
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"It's hard enough for us guys to find meets on here without things like that getting posted jheez What I have put on here as nothing to do with your meets so don't blame me if you ain't get any meets " To be fair it is in a way simply because of the way you have written the post you have put single men in a bad light. The thing is you wrote the post, read it thought it fine but not everyone will read it that way hence the nastiness on your post and you can't be held responsible for the way some have read it so don't let that stop you posting | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here.
How has he been rude he's asked the women if the forums who likes anal.
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply, "It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply,
It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it. "I disagree , it was a fantastic reply , they are not 'judging' anyone just sticking up for the OP from the same old boring criticism coming from the same profiles time and time again. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have to question the motivation of writing basically the same thing, it is tedious | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse 153 In my experience it is 7.4% of women.......well of those I've met so far! Not necessarily a scientific experiment, but I had fun doing the research." Ok - then I'm one of the 7.4 % who enjoy it! Btw - finished the last Discworld novel last night - the Shepherds Crown - nearly cried! Bye bye Terry and thanks for many, many giggles!! | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply,
It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it. "A good post. I have found that those who consider themselves to be non judgemental are more narrow minded than most . | |||
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May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply,
It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it.
I disagree , it was a fantastic reply , they are not 'judging' anyone just sticking up for the OP from the same old boring criticism coming from the same profiles time and time again. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have to question the motivation of writing basically the same thing, it is tedious "No they are judging you just see it as them coming to defence because on the whole your enclined to agree with them, you are only of the same manner of thinking. But we shall agree to disagree as I'm not the only one to see things from my _iewpoint on this issue as I'm sure others will see it from yours. | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply,
It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it.
I disagree , it was a fantastic reply , they are not 'judging' anyone just sticking up for the OP from the same old boring criticism coming from the same profiles time and time again. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have to question the motivation of writing basically the same thing, it is tedious
No they are judging you just see it as them coming to defence because on the whole your enclined to agree with them, you are only of the same manner of thinking. But we shall agree to disagree as I'm not the only one to see things from my _iewpoint on this issue as I'm sure others will see it from yours. "But your opinion is negative , generaly judgemental, and condescending, I am not telling the OP how to behave ,I think he could have worded his question better but that's not the point of the thread. Wouldn't it be better to answer his question or alternatively if it's not for you just ignore it? | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply,
It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it.
I disagree , it was a fantastic reply , they are not 'judging' anyone just sticking up for the OP from the same old boring criticism coming from the same profiles time and time again. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have to question the motivation of writing basically the same thing, it is tedious
No they are judging you just see it as them coming to defence because on the whole your enclined to agree with them, you are only of the same manner of thinking. But we shall agree to disagree as I'm not the only one to see things from my _iewpoint on this issue as I'm sure others will see it from yours.
But your opinion is negative , generaly judgemental, and condescending, I am not telling the OP how to behave ,I think he could have worded his question better but that's not the point of the thread. Wouldn't it be better to answer his question or alternatively if it's not for you just ignore it?"I'm not telling the OP how to behave either (nor have I) and I did answer is thread earlier up the thread where I replied "I enjoy anal sex I just don't take it up the arse" (I enjoyed pegging) I'm just joining in on the other tangent of discussion. It's You have that judged my opinion to be negative and condescending, you've also incorrectly judged me not to have answered his question. To say if you don't like a thread why not ignore it? is a fair point however it's one that plays into your code of conduct of how you feel others should use the forums. So I'll refer you to another of my earlier points, its human nature to judge people to our own codes of conduct, we all do it | |||
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"I never put that any one is animals I said that it's a swingers site that ain't saying people are animals so I don't know where that is coming from Would you have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site? Say, a group of strangers chatting with you in a pub? This site and a pub are both places to meet people, often when looking for sex. What makes the people here different to those you'd meet elsewhere, in your opinion? Why would you speak to one group in a way you wouldn't to the other? What you mean to say is: "I wouldn't have asked that question, that way, to a group of people not on a swingers' site! Say a group of strangers chatting with me in a pub. And I judge you for doing so. What you are doing is imposing your beliefs and values on another, without being invited to do so. For someone who is in a scene which itself is judged by others, I find it hard to understand how so many can be judgemental. As I said before, the issue seems to be your own, not the OP's. Or maybe those that you deem to be judgemental are polite and better mannered. These attributes are inportant to a significant mumber of fab members . Are they? Based on what? Done extensive research have you? Who are you, or anyone else to suggest that the poster is ill mannered, based on a simple phrased question? If that isn't judgmental, then what is? Indeed, who are you, or anyone else to impose your beliefs on someone else? To suggest that you are in someday superior to the OP? Furthermore, to what benefit or outcome would anyone hope to achieve by doing so? It's incredibly simple, if you don't like a thread, move on past it, but do not stop by to ridicule, point out flaws, impose your own beliefs and values on others. There are dictators, bullies and trolls to do that. The OP didn't ask for anyone's opinion, or to be "educated" to better himself by the standards of others. The OP asked a simple question. Answer it or don't.... So you're planning to meet the OP for what he's looking for then? I hope so because reassuring him that his approach was fine is encouraging him to carry on doing something which puts off a proportion of the women he's aiming to appeal to. Yes, of course he has a right to phrase things as he wishes and say what he likes, within the rules. However, personally, if I'd been posting a few weeks ago asking why nobody was replying and why I was having no success, I'd at least listen to feedback from others if they were telling me I could come across better. Anyone can say what they like, how they like, but if they are looking for meets and are concerned why they aren't getting meets, maybe they want to put off as few people as possible. If they are putting people off unintentionally, as seems to be the case here, they won't know unless someone tells them. I actually did stay away from this topic initially because it was of no interest to me and it just made me roll my eyes. However, the people telling the OP he's not coming across well were mostly trying to be helpful, I believe. Some may not have phrased it exactly as you think it should have been phrased but criticising people for that is exactly what you are objecting to others doing to the OP. You really don't get it do you? Again your judging him by YOUR standards, and at the same time trying (with little success) to advocate that you speak for the majority, because you believe YOUR standards are superior. Take a look at the replies, actual answers the guy has received, in context to the question asked, and you will find you are in the minority here. My point being is that the OP wasn't asking to be given advice, or be educated. It was a VERY simple question, which people who have issues, have taken issue with. My critique is of those who are being critical, mainly because the negativity and judgmentalism that is rife in these forums is terrible. By doing so, they have opened themselves up for critism, and if you can't take it, don't give it. Their critism and judgment is unwarranted out of context and unwelcome, most importantly by the OP. To many people are quick to clamber onto their 60h horse and look down in pious judgment. If the OP is asking for judgement and/or opinion, then by all means give it. Let's show a little tolerance and understanding of diversity and difference in people please, and stop judging others by our own delusional sense of grandeur and superiority. Fantastic reply,
It's actually not that fantastic of a reply ironically it's the "non-judgemental" couple, judging that other people need to show more tolerance and understanding of others in the forum, as that would appeal to their code of standards better. They are clearly no better than anyone else it would seem and who can blame them it's just human nature, we all do it.
I disagree , it was a fantastic reply , they are not 'judging' anyone just sticking up for the OP from the same old boring criticism coming from the same profiles time and time again. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have to question the motivation of writing basically the same thing, it is tedious
No they are judging you just see it as them coming to defence because on the whole your enclined to agree with them, you are only of the same manner of thinking. But we shall agree to disagree as I'm not the only one to see things from my _iewpoint on this issue as I'm sure others will see it from yours.
But your opinion is negative , generaly judgemental, and condescending, I am not telling the OP how to behave ,I think he could have worded his question better but that's not the point of the thread. Wouldn't it be better to answer his question or alternatively if it's not for you just ignore it?
I'm not telling the OP how to behave either (nor have I) and I did answer is thread earlier up the thread where I replied "I enjoy anal sex I just don't take it up the arse" (I enjoyed pegging)
I'm just joining in on the other tangent of discussion. It's You have that judged my opinion to be negative and condescending, you've also incorrectly judged me not to have answered his question.
To say if you don't like a thread why not ignore it? is a fair point however it's one that plays into your code of conduct of how you feel others should use the forums.
So I'll refer you to another of my earlier points, its human nature to judge people to our own codes of conduct, we all do it "Your right, I unfortunately mixed you up for someone else, and my post was incorrect. However I still can't understand (not aimed at you) why people will criticise this or other people who start a thread, they are usually quick to judge but very rarely start their own thread | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse " Not me, but I'm sure many do. Not sure why your post deserved such vitriol from some of the people on here, maybe they just like bullying people. | |||
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"Really not sure i see how OP is being rude or degrading to anyone. He's asked a simple question to a group. He hasnt asked any of you personally to take it up the arse, he's asked how many girls are really into it. Which seems a perfectly fair question to ask, in fact it seems a moderately respectful thing to guage how many people if any are actively seeking it rather than just expecting to spring it on a girl he might be arranging a meet with. Unless you are all reading something in this that im not, it does rather seem you are all lambasting him for bugger all. And certainly for something that had someone else posted it would have been perfectly acceptable. " Spot on brother..the white knight crew love it though,and those who love be offended by all things not personally aimed at them.. | |||
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"I think a few people could do with looking up the definition of "judgemental"... A few on here are quick to cast accusations at the OP based on a simple statement. In answer to the above, that it is human nature to make judgements, as I said before to someone else's observations on this, that I agree that is correct. What I disagree with is those who act on such judgements and point out the flaws with negative comments, which in turn leads to ill feeling and hurt at the expense of the person receiving such judgemental acts. I see no reason or justification in that other than to make the perpetrator feel better about their actions at the expense of another. I am yet to see a reasonable argument on this thread which has justified and reasoned that it was OK to accuse the OP of thinking the entire swinging community felt he thought we were all animals, or crass, or that we are pieces of meat. Other than: "Because I can" "It's a public forum" I say again, just because we can, doesn't mean we should, does it? " Yet you are pointing out the flaws in the people that you are calling out for the comments you judge to be negative , so I'd look up the definition of hypocrite since your keen to tell everyone else to use a dictionary | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse Not me, but I'm sure many do. Not sure why your post deserved such vitriol from some of the people on here, maybe they just like bullying people." Or do they just think that his question could be phrased better and aren't afraid to speak their minds and say so? many are keen to throw the words "bully" and "troll" around these forums when a lot of the time it's just a sheer difference of opinion, sometimes that difference of opinion goes in favour or against the OP in the majority | |||
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"Straight to the point I'm sure you'll get a good response
May as well be straight to the point it is a swingers site after all
There is a difference between that and somewhat rude..... Seriously you'll not get far with that mentality on here.
I can't message you as you have blocked trannies from messaging you. I was just wanting to say i love your hair x"Thank you lovely. Don't take my block personally - I have lots of them in place to simply narrow down the amount of mails I get | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse Not me, but I'm sure many do. Not sure why your post deserved such vitriol from some of the people on here, maybe they just like bullying people. Or do they just think that his question could be phrased better and aren't afraid to speak their minds and say so? many are keen to throw the words "bully" and "troll" around these forums when a lot of the time it's just a sheer difference of opinion, sometimes that difference of opinion goes in favour or against the OP in the majority" He's allowed to phrase his question however he wishes. If people don't like a thread just jog on, no need to be so judgemental all the time. FS used to be a fun place but that fun is being drained out of it by these people who do quickly Bully other members. Yes, Bully!! | |||
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"How many lasses really like to take it up the arse Not me, but I'm sure many do. Not sure why your post deserved such vitriol from some of the people on here, maybe they just like bullying people. Or do they just think that his question could be phrased better and aren't afraid to speak their minds and say so? many are keen to throw the words "bully" and "troll" around these forums when a lot of the time it's just a sheer difference of opinion, sometimes that difference of opinion goes in favour or against the OP in the majority He's allowed to phrase his question however he wishes. If people don't like a thread just jog on, no need to be so judgemental all the time. FS used to be a fun place but that fun is being drained out of it by these people who do quickly Bully other members. Yes, Bully!!" Whilst you can phrase the question in any manner than you like , you will still be judged on how you present yourself . This applies to most things in life .. | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread but have we had the declarations that he is now blocked, If so, OP counselling will help you come to terms with such cruel blows. Or just laugh at the silliness. Enjoy "You haven't read the whole thread?! Shame on you... | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread but have we had the declarations that he is now blocked, If so, OP counselling will help you come to terms with such cruel blows. Or just laugh at the silliness. Enjoy
You haven't read the whole thread?! Shame on you..."I know, I know.  | |||
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"Yet you are pointing out the flaws in the people that you are calling out for the comments you judge to be negative , so I'd look up the definition of hypocrite since your keen to tell everyone else to use a dictionary " Is that the justification to your arguemebt? Deflection to another issue, made incorrectly I may add.... To help you with the definition of a hypocrite, would mean to be judgemental of them whilst complaining of them being judgemental. To cast aspersions on them with little to no information. I'm very confident that hasn't been done, I've made no insinuations about the type of people or their values and beliefs, the observations are based on their comments. Merely critiquing the comments themselves, whilst questioning why people would do such a thing, and to what means or outcome... | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread but have we had the declarations that he is now blocked, If so, OP counselling will help you come to terms with such cruel blows. Or just laugh at the silliness. Enjoy
You haven't read the whole thread?! Shame on you...
I know, I know. "Stick with the shame as reading it all may tip you over the edge | |||
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"Haven't read the whole thread but have we had the declarations that he is now blocked, If so, OP counselling will help you come to terms with such cruel blows. Or just laugh at the silliness. Enjoy
You haven't read the whole thread?! Shame on you...
I know, I know.
Stick with the shame as reading it all may tip you over the edge "cheers | |||
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"Yet you are pointing out the flaws in the people that you are calling out for the comments you judge to be negative , so I'd look up the definition of hypocrite since your keen to tell everyone else to use a dictionary Is that the justification to your arguemebt? Deflection to another issue, made incorrectly I may add.... To help you with the definition of a hypocrite, would mean to be judgemental of them whilst complaining of them being judgemental. To cast aspersions on them with little to no information. I'm very confident that hasn't been done, I've made no insinuations about the type of people or their values and beliefs, the observations are based on their comments. Merely critiquing the comments themselves, whilst questioning why people would do such a thing, and to what means or outcome..." You're just too close to the issue so you're clearly not seeing your guilty of most of the things you're criticsing others of including the deflection you know mention Oh and you made inclination by calling the criticising users out first and yet you are still seemingly trying to act above it all whilst trying to play the wordsmith, sorry you don't like that I've seen through it. | |||
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