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"how many people on here with hands on the hearts and tell the truth? Well going on the amount of profiles that say straight men who have do not want single guys and won't smokers on their profile but ask to meet .................... "Hand on heart?? I do My memory is that bad i canna lie xx | |||
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"how many people on here with hands on the hearts and tell the truth? Well going on the amount of profiles that say straight men who have do not want single guys and won't smokers on their profile but ask to meet ....................
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My memory is that bad i canna lie xx "lol that's ok you aren't on the list that have asked me to meet!  | |||
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"Last week I said I was Bi and relised what it was like for a single women, I must have got 50 mails in a day with TV,s and bi guys asking to suck me off! Yeah OK I'll try it, I'll suck a guy and he can suck me but I saw a gorgeous women that I thought I might see if I can chat with, she's added me as a mate but only wants str8 guys. What do I do?? I'd sooner have pussy over cock any day and if I'm honest with myself I'd only meet a Bi coupel so if at least I didn't enjoy the Bi side I still have a pussy there to concentrate on lol" you tell her the truth, anything else makes you a liar, if you lie about your sexuality what else is there for here to not be able to trust you on? swinging is all about trust, If she dont want Bi guys fine move on, there are a lot of gorgeous ladies out there who absoloutly adore bi guys | |||
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"We won't change what our profile says for anyone and if they don't like it ......... Tough shit ! It says bi, and that's how it is ...." Cool I'm on the next train up!! | |||
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"I have a problem and I'm sure many guys and even couples face the same issues. I'll openly admit I'm a litle Bi- Curious, Not tried experimenting yet but I may like it I may hate it. But how many people on here with hands on the hearts and tell the truth, they will look at someones profile who insist on str8 guys or couples and so you change your profile to say str8 and start chatting with em. Next day you come across a single women after a Bi guy, so you change your profile to Bi, .....and you keep doing this back and forth trying to get a meet with someone!!?? How many of you will admit you do this??? "trannies..its so wrong in our heads but does not stop us looking! bi confusing i would say | |||
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"I'll openly admit I'm a litle Bi- Curious, Not tried experimenting yet but I may like it I may hate it. "You've got "straight" on your profile! | |||
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"I think it depends how you see yourself, Our profile says kev is straight, that is how he see's himself as he not attracted to other men, BUT in our profile text it clearly says that in the right situation kev is bi playful, meaning he is not cock shy and goes with the flow. Does this make us liars, cheats or timewasters...no infact it makes us the opposite... open and honest. " Then I really dont understand why you you dont add him down as Bi-curious? You have to read quite a while into your profile to see your bi statement anyway. lol If I were to look at you as a potential meet then the 1st thing I do is look at sexuality of both of you, then read on, so yes to me you would be a timewaster, as its taken me time to read a profile which was un-necessary. | |||
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"Isn't part of the problem the limitations of this site? You can state yourself as, Straight, Bi-curious or Bisexual. In this hobby those labels are often to strong. While we have met plenty of people who enjoy same-sex-sex not many are true bisexuals. There are other words/phrases that would be more fitting such as 'bi-playful' and 'hetero-flexible'. While we state we are bisexual we are not bisexual in the true sense, does that make us liars? Not really, we are just using the available label that best fits, not everyone is comfortable to do that perhaps. We are only bisexual within the hobby, we have no limitations in respect of sexuality with like-minded people that we might play with but essentially we are heterosexual." Its not a limitation issue at all, its down to how people on here want to be percieved and how many meets they get regardless of how inacuate and dishonest they are with theyre own sexuality. If your a man who states your straight then goes on to say your bi oral, then your bi! at the end of the day a TV can be a gorgeous stunning looking "female" but he's still a man and a straight guy that plays with that TV is Bi wether he admits it or not! Simples Your profile clearly states that single guys must be Bi and couples must be Bi im a little confused by your... "While we state we are bisexual we are not bisexual in the true sense, does that make us liars?" Surely if thats the case it wouldnt matter if only straight single guys and couples contacted you as well?? Why limit yourselves to only bi people? | |||
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"I think it depends how you see yourself, Our profile says kev is straight, that is how he see's himself as he not attracted to other men, BUT in our profile text it clearly says that in the right situation kev is bi playful, meaning he is not cock shy and goes with the flow. Does this make us liars, cheats or timewasters...no infact it makes us the opposite... open and honest. Then I really dont understand why you you dont add him down as Bi-curious? You have to read quite a while into your profile to see your bi statement anyway. lol If I were to look at you as a potential meet then the 1st thing I do is look at sexuality of both of you, then read on, so yes to me you would be a timewaster, as its taken me time to read a profile which was un-necessary. " Well the Simple answer to that is....because he's not curious! It does not matter where in our profile it states bi playfull. ..The fact it is there is enough. If you think reading profiles which don't suit you as timewasters, i find that quite sad Tbh but that is your opinion which we all have a right to. | |||
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"Isn't part of the problem the limitations of this site? You can state yourself as, Straight, Bi-curious or Bisexual. In this hobby those labels are often to strong. While we have met plenty of people who enjoy same-sex-sex not many are true bisexuals. There are other words/phrases that would be more fitting such as 'bi-playful' and 'hetero-flexible'. While we state we are bisexual we are not bisexual in the true sense, does that make us liars? Not really, we are just using the available label that best fits, not everyone is comfortable to do that perhaps. We are only bisexual within the hobby, we have no limitations in respect of sexuality with like-minded people that we might play with but essentially we are heterosexual. Its not a limitation issue at all, its down to how people on here want to be percieved and how many meets they get regardless of how inacuate and dishonest they are with theyre own sexuality. If your a man who states your straight then goes on to say your bi oral, then your bi! at the end of the day a TV can be a gorgeous stunning looking "female" but he's still a man and a straight guy that plays with that TV is Bi wether he admits it or not! Simples Your profile clearly states that single guys must be Bi and couples must be Bi im a little confused by your... "While we state we are bisexual we are not bisexual in the true sense, does that make us liars?" Surely if thats the case it wouldnt matter if only straight single guys and couples contacted you as well?? Why limit yourselves to only bi people? " Read it again... single males must be bi, but with couples it doesn't matter. In the case of a MFM a straight male would be a limitation for us. Any limitations we have (which are very few) are our choice which I wouldn't even state as 'dislikes' rather 'not of that much interest' such is the case in respect of the straight single male 'doesn't interest' us. | |||
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"I think it depends how you see yourself, Our profile says kev is straight, that is how he see's himself as he not attracted to other men, BUT in our profile text it clearly says that in the right situation kev is bi playful, meaning he is not cock shy and goes with the flow. Does this make us liars, cheats or timewasters...no infact it makes us the opposite... open and honest. Then I really dont understand why you you dont add him down as Bi-curious? You have to read quite a while into your profile to see your bi statement anyway. lol If I were to look at you as a potential meet then the 1st thing I do is look at sexuality of both of you, then read on, so yes to me you would be a timewaster, as its taken me time to read a profile which was un-necessary. Well the Simple answer to that is....because he's not curious! It does not matter where in our profile it states bi playfull. ..The fact it is there is enough. If you think reading profiles which don't suit you as timewasters, i find that quite sad Tbh but that is your opinion which we all have a right to." I dont think theres a problem adding your hubby down on the sexuality as BICUR even if he's way past the curious stage and you dont want to go as far as GAY, as he clearly plays with both sexes. Clearly that your issue! However not defining him as even BI on the main info is very misleading and timewasting for anyone who's only interested in meeting straight guys. | |||
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"Isn't part of the problem the limitations of this site? You can state yourself as, Straight, Bi-curious or Bisexual. In this hobby those labels are often to strong. While we have met plenty of people who enjoy same-sex-sex not many are true bisexuals. There are other words/phrases that would be more fitting such as 'bi-playful' and 'hetero-flexible'. While we state we are bisexual we are not bisexual in the true sense, does that make us liars? Not really, we are just using the available label that best fits, not everyone is comfortable to do that perhaps. We are only bisexual within the hobby, we have no limitations in respect of sexuality with like-minded people that we might play with but essentially we are heterosexual. Its not a limitation issue at all, its down to how people on here want to be percieved and how many meets they get regardless of how inacuate and dishonest they are with theyre own sexuality. If your a man who states your straight then goes on to say your bi oral, then your bi! at the end of the day a TV can be a gorgeous stunning looking "female" but he's still a man and a straight guy that plays with that TV is Bi wether he admits it or not! Simples Your profile clearly states that single guys must be Bi and couples must be Bi im a little confused by your... "While we state we are bisexual we are not bisexual in the true sense, does that make us liars?" Surely if thats the case it wouldnt matter if only straight single guys and couples contacted you as well?? Why limit yourselves to only bi people? Read it again... single males must be bi, but with couples it doesn't matter. In the case of a MFM a straight male would be a limitation for us. Any limitations we have (which are very few) are our choice which I wouldn't even state as 'dislikes' rather 'not of that much interest' such is the case in respect of the straight single male 'doesn't interest' us." Actually I did read it and this is what it states on your profile... "So if you are REAL and a single bi-male or bi-couple you’ll find we are open, honest and up-front, SINGLE GUYS…. For us you MUST BE SINGLE and you MUST be bi!!!" At least your being honest regarding your actual sexual preference on the main profile info, unlike some who have posted on this thread lol but I feel your comments on here are contradictory. | |||
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"I think it depends how you see yourself, Our profile says kev is straight, that is how he see's himself as he not attracted to other men, BUT in our profile text it clearly says that in the right situation kev is bi playful, meaning he is not cock shy and goes with the flow. Does this make us liars, cheats or timewasters...no infact it makes us the opposite... open and honest. Then I really dont understand why you you dont add him down as Bi-curious? You have to read quite a while into your profile to see your bi statement anyway. lol If I were to look at you as a potential meet then the 1st thing I do is look at sexuality of both of you, then read on, so yes to me you would be a timewaster, as its taken me time to read a profile which was un-necessary. Well the Simple answer to that is....because he's not curious! It does not matter where in our profile it states bi playfull. ..The fact it is there is enough. If you think reading profiles which don't suit you as timewasters, i find that quite sad Tbh but that is your opinion which we all have a right to. I dont think theres a problem adding your hubby down on the sexuality as BICUR even if he's way past the curious stage and you dont want to go as far as GAY, as he clearly plays with both sexes. Clearly that your issue! However not defining him as even BI on the main info is very misleading and timewasting for anyone who's only interested in meeting straight guys. " I think the one with the issue Is yourself, we are perfectly fine with the way we see ourselves. You may like to conform to the lables society say we must use but they don't suit us so we don't use them, we hide nothing and clearly state in our profile for anyone to read, how we play. Has your last post said YOU don't see why we don't put bi curious on our profile...the fact is its OUR profile and not YOURS. we would never dream of telling someone how they should write there profile and don't understand your need to. | |||
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"I think it depends how you see yourself, Our profile says kev is straight, that is how he see's himself as he not attracted to other men, BUT in our profile text it clearly says that in the right situation kev is bi playful, meaning he is not cock shy and goes with the flow. Does this make us liars, cheats or timewasters...no infact it makes us the opposite... open and honest. Then I really dont understand why you you dont add him down as Bi-curious? You have to read quite a while into your profile to see your bi statement anyway. lol If I were to look at you as a potential meet then the 1st thing I do is look at sexuality of both of you, then read on, so yes to me you would be a timewaster, as its taken me time to read a profile which was un-necessary. Well the Simple answer to that is....because he's not curious! It does not matter where in our profile it states bi playfull. ..The fact it is there is enough. If you think reading profiles which don't suit you as timewasters, i find that quite sad Tbh but that is your opinion which we all have a right to. I dont think theres a problem adding your hubby down on the sexuality as BICUR even if he's way past the curious stage and you dont want to go as far as GAY, as he clearly plays with both sexes. Clearly that your issue! However not defining him as even BI on the main info is very misleading and timewasting for anyone who's only interested in meeting straight guys. I think the one with the issue Is yourself, we are perfectly fine with the way we see ourselves. You may like to conform to the lables society say we must use but they don't suit us so we don't use them, we hide nothing and clearly state in our profile for anyone to read, how we play. Has your last post said YOU don't see why we don't put bi curious on our profile...the fact is its OUR profile and not YOURS. we would never dream of telling someone how they should write there profile and don't understand your need to." Your 100% right I have a big issue with misleading info on profiles, guys making out theyre not something when they clearly are by theyre own admissions (as long as you can be bothered to read down a bit further that is)
If you were that confident about yourselves the "straight" selection would have been overlooked. And of course you wouldnt tell anyone what to put on your profile because that would make you out to be complete hypocrites
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"SEREN.... Thank you for pointing out the possible ambiguity and I have now edited it to read "...bi or straight couple..." There was never any intent to be contradictoy whatsoever. Trouble is the word bisexual tends to be defined in different ways by different people. I think the word 'fetish' for example is used in a diluted sense in this hobby, in 6 years we've only ever met one person with a true fetish. In most cases it means a person likes something that is not typically found in the vanilla world. In deed we have used it on that context on our profile it doesn't mean you MUST have some illogical irrational requirement to reach sexual gratification. I still think this is why many people don't feel comfortable with the labels as some will say for example 'If you are male and you have touched another male in a sexual context then you are bisexual'. Having a same-sex sexual experience doesn't mean that person instantly becomes a bisexual anymore than picking up a spanner will make you a car mechanic. " Your welcome, but yes that how it came across
I agree that the labels we are given to choose from are limited on this site, and that bisex is a grey area for some obviously lol
However, we are only given 3 choices to pick from, so why say straight in the main info boxes, then put bi oral/play in the write up? To me thats just not being true to yourself and more importantly to the people looking at your profile.
Swinging is and should be about trust 1st and foremost, and for me, the people who lets face it blatantly lie re theyre sexuality are completly untrustworthy.
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"Your 100% right I have a big issue with misleading info on profiles" So does adim or it wouldn't be in the sites terms and conditions, seems its overlooked though, perhaps admin should add a bi playful choice to the list but I'd imagine most that say they are straight would still select straight | |||
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"Your 100% right I have a big issue with misleading info on profiles So does adim or it wouldn't be in the sites terms and conditions, seems its overlooked though, perhaps admin should add a bi playful choice to the list but I'd imagine most that say they are straight would still select straight "This is what the T&C say ... "5.3 You must ensure that your profile and any other Content is and remains complete, accurate and is not misleading in any way and that you will update it so that it remains so." I dont think admin would add a bi play button to be fair, they probably just think that people would have some sence and be able to choose between the 3 that are available, after all its not rocket science is it? lol | |||
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"If we had the option of bi playfull we would gladly use it. To us we see a bi man as some who finds another man sexually attractive or sexually drawn to another man....because kev does not and because bi playfull is not an option we choose straight. Now, if we then didn't explain this in our profile i could see your issue, but as we do i can not see why we are untrustworthy. Like i have already said you may like and agree with the lables society give us and what you perceive them to mean...but it dosent mean we will all agree with you." Most people will tell you the written bumpf at the bottom doesnt get looked at properly, but the main profile info does! And Kev is "straight" on yours then ...."Kev is bi playfull in the right setting with tv/ts." Thats against site rules. Like it or lump it. This isnt about labels in society, its about the 3 choices we are given to choose from when we set up our profiles. Regardless of wether Kev's male play friends are in a suit or a dress, they're still male lol | |||
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" This is what the T&C say ... "5.3 You must ensure that your profile and any other Content is and remains complete, accurate and is not misleading in any way and that you will update it so that it remains so." I dont think admin would add a bi play button to be fair, they probably just think that people would have some sence and be able to choose between the 3 that are available, after all its not rocket science is it? lol "NO its not rocket science, we have chosen what best suits us, and explained the rest in our profile, their for our profile is complete, correct and not misleading. The argument of 'i didnt find out till i got half way down your profile' is tbh imo pathetic. The information is there FACT. You have your opinions, which as said before you are entitled to and we respect them as your opinion but that does not make them correct for others or mean we have to agree with them. Our opinion obviously differ from yours and we will never agree on this subject. | |||
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"It all boils down to how a person perceives straight, bi or gay labels. We cant all agree, and obviously dont. People will write there profile how they see fit, if you dont like someones profile then simply move on, we are not here to please everyone and wouldnt dream of trying to. kat x x ps...some have a better, none aggressive way of putting there point and opinions across "You havent got an argument really have you? Your dishonest on your profile and blatantly admit to it lol Just out of interest if Bi-cur is not suitable why not put him down as bi-sex and then in the writer up say this is only with TV's? | |||
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"lol - wow I kicked off a great talking point here with many different _iews!! I'm a lesbian really!! "am pleased your kow being truthful lol. This thread has shown the majority like people to be honest and not lie or be honest one min then further down the line tell lies. Its also very annoying when they change to suit. Bet you feel better.for admitting your sexualiy tho lol.x | |||
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"So its ok to put straight on your profile but further down in your writing put but I play bi in the right occasion. Maybe its ok to put I am 21 as my age range but further down my profile actually put that I am 66?? Thats the same as anyone putting straight but also bi in their profile further down. Or maybe say I am a size 10 in my description at the top but further down my profile say actually to the right eyes I am a size 20. I know I am being silly but isnt it the same. I may see myself as a size 10 but when realistically whern anyone meets me it is clear I have meat on my bones and am a size 16 pretty much (with large boobs) Please please please can people be more honest x " With respect I don't really see that your analogy is all that fitting. You can't switch between size 10 and size 20 either in your own perception or someone else's. But you'll often read the phrase 'with the right people/person'. There is no reason why it shouldn't happen and in fact it does happen whereby a person who is straight might have a same-sex sexual experience 'with the right person' thoroughly enjoy it and never do such a thing again. Perhaps straight, bisexual options should be replaced with a number where 0 is totally straight and 100 is totally bisexual... bit like the male part of a couple we know where he says he's 110% straight-ish LOL And if the stats are true its said that the vast majority of people as they become sexually aware on the trip to sexual maturity will experiment sexually with same-sex. Or as adults do we all just pretend that part of our growing up never happened. | |||
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"lol - wow I kicked off a great talking point here with many different _iews!! I'm a lesbian really!!
am pleased your kow being truthful lol.
This thread has shown the majority like people to be honest and not lie or be honest one min then further down the line tell lies.
Its also very annoying when they change to suit.
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"But you'll often read the phrase 'with the right people/person" Which would make them Bi curious? 90% of people will only play with the right people/person on here regardless of their sexual preferences, the other 10% just see any hole as a goal | |||
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"So its ok to put straight on your profile but further down in your writing put but I play bi in the right occasion. Maybe its ok to put I am 21 as my age range but further down my profile actually put that I am 66?? Thats the same as anyone putting straight but also bi in their profile further down. Or maybe say I am a size 10 in my description at the top but further down my profile say actually to the right eyes I am a size 20. I know I am being silly but isnt it the same. I may see myself as a size 10 but when realistically whern anyone meets me it is clear I have meat on my bones and am a size 16 pretty much (with large boobs) Please please please can people be more honest x With respect I don't really see that your analogy is all that fitting. You can't switch between size 10 and size 20 either in your own perception or someone else's. But you'll often read the phrase 'with the right people/person'. There is no reason why it shouldn't happen and in fact it does happen whereby a person who is straight might have a same-sex sexual experience 'with the right person' thoroughly enjoy it and never do such a thing again. Perhaps straight, bisexual options should be replaced with a number where 0 is totally straight and 100 is totally bisexual... bit like the male part of a couple we know where he says he's 110% straight-ish LOL And if the stats are true its said that the vast majority of people as they become sexually aware on the trip to sexual maturity will experiment sexually with same-sex. Or as adults do we all just pretend that part of our growing up never happened." I was being silly as my words said.Describing myself as a size 10 and then further down mentioning a size 16 was trying to show a massive difference. I can switch between the 2 sizes in my own eyes if I feel that way lol. I can state that i am a size 10 but realistically am a size 16. If I feel a size 10 then surely to some peoples standards its ok as I have put the correct size further down my profile for example. I was trying to show the difference in between the 2 similar to being bi curious/playful or whatever and straight. If your a vegetarian then your not a veggie but will occasionally with the right person eat beef! To use it earlier. If you occasionally with the right person will eat beef then your not a veggie. It is simple. Saying you COULD be a veggie is different as so is saying your bi playful or whatever. If a person has had a bi experience and enjoyed it but conciously decides to never do it again it shows they tried it but decided they are deep down straight. | |||
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"With the greatest respect seren 35 But you are accusing people of being dishonest on their profiles The deffinition of a bisexual male is by all accounts a male who likes sex with another male and could actually share a relationship with another male It involves kissing and closeness Therefore i should not have the term bisexual male on my profile then Because the simple thing is although i enjoy sex with other males the kissing and relationship side of things is anon no Please don't go on to insult my choice of statement due to that fact that during my twenties i tried to commit suicide four times due to my sexuality Everything in this world is not cut and dried you know And as for quoting rules in your post look to your own profile It is completely incorrect in this country to refer to ethnic minorities as coloureds as your profile does And i think if you know the rules of this site as well as you seem to you will know that by posting the word coloureds you are also braking them " Here here ....well said! | |||
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"With the greatest respect seren 35 But you are accusing people of being dishonest on their profiles The deffinition of a bisexual male is by all accounts a male who likes sex with another male and could actually share a relationship with another male It involves kissing and closeness Therefore i should not have the term bisexual male on my profile then Because the simple thing is although i enjoy sex with other males the kissing and relationship side of things is anon no Please don't go on to insult my choice of statement due to that fact that during my twenties i tried to commit suicide four times due to my sexuality Everything in this world is not cut and dried you know And as for quoting rules in your post look to your own profile It is completely incorrect in this country to refer to ethnic minorities as coloureds as your profile does And i think if you know the rules of this site as well as you seem to you will know that by posting the word coloureds you are also braking them " A person who classes themselves as "straight" but then go onto say they are Bi orally IS dishonest FACT! What you have on your soapy is not a contradiction of your status CONGRATULATIONS for being "straight" (no pun intended) and honest to your sexuality and your profile. What goes on between two men inc one dressed as a woman, is not an issue here and your missing the point I feel, A man who would quite happily call himself "straight" but in the same breath with be orally bi as the mood takes him, is and cannot be a true straight man! With all due respect your suicide attempts is a very emotional comment and completly un-necessary to my gripe regarding people lying about theyre own sexuality on a swingers site. As for the "rules" I replied to a direct question and that it does clearly state that a profile should not be misleading which in deed katkev's is! As far as the cheap shot regarding my profile is concerned, at least Im straight and honest in my profile and up front about my preferences. Unlike some members. If its insulting to you then apologies. Other than that I couldnt really give a monkeys | |||
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"With the greatest respect seren 35 But you are accusing people of being dishonest on their profiles The deffinition of a bisexual male is by all accounts a male who likes sex with another male and could actually share a relationship with another male It involves kissing and closeness Therefore i should not have the term bisexual male on my profile then Because the simple thing is although i enjoy sex with other males the kissing and relationship side of things is anon no Please don't go on to insult my choice of statement due to that fact that during my twenties i tried to commit suicide four times due to my sexuality Everything in this world is not cut and dried you know And as for quoting rules in your post look to your own profile It is completely incorrect in this country to refer to ethnic minorities as coloureds as your profile does And i think if you know the rules of this site as well as you seem to you will know that by posting the word coloureds you are also braking them A person who classes themselves as "straight" but then go onto say they are Bi orally IS dishonest FACT! What you have on your soapy is not a contradiction of your status CONGRATULATIONS for being "straight" (no pun intended) and honest to your sexuality and your profile. What goes on between two men inc one dressed as a woman, is not an issue here and your missing the point I feel, A man who would quite happily call himself "straight" but in the same breath with be orally bi as the mood takes him, is and cannot be a true straight man! With all due respect your suicide attempts is a very emotional comment and completly un-necessary to my gripe regarding people lying about theyre own sexuality on a swingers site. As for the "rules" I replied to a direct question and that it does clearly state that a profile should not be misleading which in deed katkev's is! As far as the cheap shot regarding my profile is concerned, at least Im straight and honest in my profile and up front about my preferences. Unlike some members. If its insulting to you then apologies. Other than that I couldnt really give a monkeys "I know i said i would bow of this thread but as you insist on attacking us personally (and not for the first time on this thread) i will comment... You seem to like your rules of the site...but side step them when its pointed out that you are also breaking rules in your profile. Here are a cpl of rules taken from the forum rules... ...Don't be personal Personal attacks against other site users aren't allowed, even if you don't name them. If you've got a problem with someone on the site, block them. If you've got a problem with what someone writes on the forum just skip over their messages or report to admin if you think they need to take action... ...No nit-picking please Unless someone specifically asks for their profile to be critiqued or if it's relevant to the thread e.g. someone is wondering why they're not having success, please don't critique their profile or be mean about it. We want the forum to be open and friendly to newbies and everyone starts somewhere... BOTH the above rules you have broken, No where on this thread have we asked you to critique our profile or quote it and neither do we deserve your personal attacks. We have said further up in this thread a cpl of times...we obviously don't agree with your opinions but they are your opinions which you are entitled to and we respect them...we still stand by that, BUT like soapy says the problem is your inability to understand others points of _iew and the fact people can and do perceive things diffidently to yourself. kat | |||
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