FabSwingers.com forum: Swingers and The Press and The Internet

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Over the past 15 years or so the whole swing/lifestyle scene has grown in a way that I think very few of us could have imagined. This is based very firmly on the back of the internet, without it we would still be in the realms of contact magazines etc. There is no doubt that the net has brought those of us who enjoy this lifestyle many opportunities.

Every good thing has a not so good side and for us that means the press. As I'm sure many of you have seen that the press have made the most they can out of the opportunities that this weekends events offered them. While this is not very nice for the people involved it surely has to be accepted. You can't have your cake and eat it. Without the Net events would never take place but the press come with them. Is it not just a case of we have to accept that this is the case. If you choose to attend an event then you accept that it's possible that matey with their hidden camera is likely to be there and that you may be snapped and published. It's just the way of the world these days, you can't have one with out the possibility of the other. The choice to be private went out of the window the day someone fired up the Net.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what has happened I just accept that it's going to happen, which is very different.

I personally know or at least did know people who are very much in the scene had very close connections to the national rags. You cant escape the press but you can be careful..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would you feel the same way if it were your pictures everyone could see?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I don't quite understand the question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I don't quite understand the question?"

would you still be so philosophical about it if it had been you spread all over the Sun?

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By *etter the devil you knowWoman
over a year ago

Lyndhurst

Shit happens, they are not much different from anyone else really, looking out for number one and doing their best to make as much money as they can. People are and always will be judgemental even the ones who say they aren't.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Would you feel the same way if it were your pictures everyone could see?"

Nobody wants what's happened. However I think the OP is right to a certain extent. You either accept it as a risk you take or accept that events like the one at the weekend will become more expensive due to increased, and more professional, security.

I also think the bigger point is how you try to mitigate the risks and in the rawness of people getting hurt, it's not the best time to have a rational debate for some.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I don't quite understand the question?

would you still be so philosophical about it if it had been you spread all over the Sun?"

Yes I would be.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If no one is breaking the law and its done privately the press have no right to be there taking photos, unless it is deemed to be in the publics best interests. Which it isn't.

Everyone is entitled to privacy and this is an invasion of it.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"If no one is breaking the law and its done privately the press have no right to be there taking photos, unless it is deemed to be in the publics best interests. Which it isn't.

Everyone is entitled to privacy and this is an invasion of it."

Being entitled to something and actually getting it are two very different things I'm afraid.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear? "

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree, as can the faults in the logic of a publicly stated opinion be examined.

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

So by that logic does one who chooses to view Internet porn in the privacy of their own home or hotel room then consent to having their picture in the national tabloids?

No of course not, everyone should be entitled to a private life between consenting adults. But the press only care about titillation and selling papers. They don't care about the implications to careers, social and family life and judgement that those who were papped are now going to receive

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I agree, as can the faults in the logic of a publicly stated opinion be examined. "

Faults in an opinion are nothing more than an opinion in themselves. Of course we all have the right to voice our opinions and freedom of the press has the right to investigate.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same."

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I agree, as can the faults in the logic of a publicly stated opinion be examined.

Faults in an opinion are nothing more than an opinion in themselves. Of course we all have the right to voice our opinions and freedom of the press has the right to investigate."

The Press certainly DO NOT have the right to invade a private event, use hidden equipment to invade privacy and attempt to shame people.

There is no "public interest" here. This is the gutter press doing what the gutter press do.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I agree, as can the faults in the logic of a publicly stated opinion be examined.

Faults in an opinion are nothing more than an opinion in themselves. Of course we all have the right to voice our opinions and freedom of the press has the right to investigate.

The Press certainly DO NOT have the right to invade a private event, use hidden equipment to invade privacy and attempt to shame people.

There is no "public interest" here. This is the gutter press doing what the gutter press do."

You is so funny

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"..."

I agree but the press know no one will want to go public with a prosecution. Imagine the field day the tabloids would have during the course of it wrecking numerous lives in the process.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"...

I agree but the press know no one will want to go public with a prosecution. Imagine the field day the tabloids would have during the course of it wrecking numerous lives in the process."

And that's the point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"...

I agree but the press know no one will want to go public with a prosecution. Imagine the field day the tabloids would have during the course of it wrecking numerous lives in the process.

And that's the point"

Actually the press came a cropper in the case of Max Moseley who won damages ahainst various papers. Hulk Hogan's case against Gawker has made it insolvent and the press intrusion in tapping celebrity phones destroyed news of the world. Also if it was not for the brave women taking on ex lovers and voyeurs we would not have the revenge porn laws.

I suggest OP is not correct about the facts, but hey we live in a country where acting on opinion supported by dodgy facts is a way of life.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"...

I agree but the press know no one will want to go public with a prosecution. Imagine the field day the tabloids would have during the course of it wrecking numerous lives in the process.

And that's the point

I suggest OP is not correct about the facts, but hey we live in a country where acting on opinion supported by dodgy facts is a way of life."

Then feel free to go fight it in the courts. But prepare yourself to be laughed at.

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By *rightonfranceMan
over a year ago

brighton - chalais france

todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping

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By *ty31Man
over a year ago

NW London

"todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping"

Maybe yesterday. The Internet never forgets

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping

Maybe yesterday. The Internet never forgets"
Yes it does. Do you remember all the memes from last year, or the years before? I thought not

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping

Maybe yesterday. The Internet never forgets Yes it does. Do you remember all the memes from last year, or the years before? I thought not "

And still people complain about it. If you know the press are going to be there you can't really complain about it after the event

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By *rightonfranceMan
over a year ago

brighton - chalais france

"todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping

Maybe yesterday. The Internet never forgets"

Only if people search for it..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"...

I agree but the press know no one will want to go public with a prosecution. Imagine the field day the tabloids would have during the course of it wrecking numerous lives in the process.

And that's the point

I suggest OP is not correct about the facts, but hey we live in a country where acting on opinion supported by dodgy facts is a way of life.

Then feel free to go fight it in the courts. But prepare yourself to be laughed at."

Better to be laughed at fighting a principle that makes the world a better place than to skulk in a corner.

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By *landfordfabbersCouple
over a year ago

Blandford ish

How is this different to an ex boyfriend posting naked videos online without permission? This was a private event. If he was public with a big camera we would then have the choice of saying no photographs please, however there was no choice.

I am not in the pics however I have had an ex splash the porn sites with videos of me out of revenge so I know how shocking it is!

Soph

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"How is this different to an ex boyfriend posting naked videos online without permission? This was a private event. If he was public with a big camera we would then have the choice of saying no photographs please, however there was no choice.

I am not in the pics however I have had an ex splash the porn sites with videos of me out of revenge so I know how shocking it is!

Soph "

That's actually a really good point!! I hope someone sues the papers for this.

Surely the revenge porn laws cover this sort of thing??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping

Maybe yesterday. The Internet never forgets

Only if people search for it.. "

Friends, neighbours and locals never forget shit like this. Swinging is viewed as perverted and disgusting by most of the general public (and by some swingers). The people that have been outed will always be known as swingers.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"todays news is tomorrows fish and chip wrapping

Maybe yesterday. The Internet never forgets Yes it does. Do you remember all the memes from last year, or the years before? I thought not

And still people complain about it. If you know the press are going to be there you can't really complain about it after the event"

Agreed, however the expectations set was that there would be no press st the event.

Once again, go do some fact checking...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You're all jumping up and down about the law, but ultimately it's happened. Lives have been uncomfortably exposed.

And unless someone actually wants to take this on it will keep happening. Fine words to say we are going to stand up and fight them, but when push comes to shove people won't step up to the place. Hell, I bet no one has cancelled sky subscriptions over it.

So until someone takes this on, accept that the press may have an interest.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"On OPs analysis if a person has a private meet and someone takes pictures without consent by a hidden camera and publishes them on the internet, shrug shoulders and say oh dear?

Everyone is entitled to the own point of view. The facts remain the same.

The fact is that everyone who took a picture, using a HIDDEN camera, at a PRIVATE event, whether published or not, as broken various laws around PRIVACY and DATA PROTECTION...

A person attending a private event, where they would reasonably expect their privacy to be upheld, should not have to put up with this.

UK law is quite specific, but will now rely on those affected to take the relevant legal action.

I think the OP is rather insulting to claim a "point of view" and really need to research what they are saying before making inaccurate claims about it all being just "one of those things"...

I agree but the press know no one will want to go public with a prosecution. Imagine the field day the tabloids would have during the course of it wrecking numerous lives in the process.

And that's the point

I suggest OP is not correct about the facts, but hey we live in a country where acting on opinion supported by dodgy facts is a way of life.

Then feel free to go fight it in the courts. But prepare yourself to be laughed at.

Better to be laughed at fighting a principle that makes the world a better place than to skulk in a corner. "

You really are missing the point. But then that's your problem not mine

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By *kooby1Man
over a year ago

gloucester

I am in the main picture on some web sites, the picture is taken without my consent or the consent of lovely lady I am kissing, Is it a crime to kiss in a hot tub???? NO !

Is it a crime to invade privacy with covert cameras, I think so!

a small matter for the press complaints commission I think!

The picture was only recently pixelated

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You're all jumping up and down about the law, but ultimately it's happened. Lives have been uncomfortably exposed.

So until someone takes this on, accept that the press may have an interest.

I am not missing the point, and l have no problem. It is a shame the same can't be said about you.

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