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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "This doesn't make sense | |||
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"Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "They probably just buy a job lot of indulgences.  | |||
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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "Because as a christian you can commit mass genocide, force third world countries to convert in exchange for food, molest young boys and be swinger.. as long as you repent!! | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex??" Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin  | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin "Why? and who said? | |||
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"I have found that people of all religions only follow the bits they agree with and ignore the bits they find inconvenient to their life. I don't know of one person who claims to be a 'very religious person' who follows all the tenents of their chosen religion, they pick and choose what they feel applies to them." Very true | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
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There is a whole book written about it called the Bible "Written by humans. | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
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Christianity, the 7th commandment - thou shall not commit adultery.
Sex outside of marrige is adultery."Thank you lol. As a non believer myself I'd never have been able to come up with that | |||
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"I don't think it matters. People of faith can adapt their lifestyle to fit within their belief structure and vice versa. Everyone has their own code when it comes to swinging and as long as they are happy with what they are doing, let them crack on. " Like I said above I'm not judging anyone on this - i just don't get it when it supposedly goes against so many of their core beliefs. | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
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Christianity, the 7th commandment - thou shall not commit adultery.
Sex outside of marrige is adultery.
Thank you lol. As a non believer myself I'd never have been able to come up with that "I love google | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
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Christianity, the 7th commandment - thou shall not commit adultery.
Sex outside of marrige is adultery.
Thank you lol. As a non believer myself I'd never have been able to come up with that
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality." I'm only focusing on it cause this is a sex based site. If I go on a shoplifting/mugging site I'll focus on the theft aspect.
I personally don't agree with the Bible anyway.
It started with Adam and Eve who had two sons - Cain and Able. They then went on to populate the earth.
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"God my blummin phone has changed bits of that - please excuse my auto carrot! "Have to love auto "carrot" hahaha We're both realists so no religious rules to follow here | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality." Because they are arm chair experts who expose their ignorance with the same stupid comments every time this comes up. First, they should learn the distinction between the old and new covenant and second learn the meaning of the term 'gospel'. Then they wouldn't look so stupid to people who actually have an RE GCSE. | |||
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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? " They should not be if they are following all the teaching of their faith, end of. But, as a technical point - Christians are not under law, but under grace, that's the difference between the new testament and the old - "All things are permissable, not all things are beneficial". | |||
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"I have found that people of all religions only follow the bits they agree with and ignore the bits they find inconvenient to their life. I don't know of one person who claims to be a 'very religious person' who follows all the tenents of their chosen religion, they pick and choose what they feel applies to them." Very true, couldn't agree more. | |||
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"So according to this thread Christianity is the only religion lol " No I was referring to it as it was something from another thread..... | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality. Because they are arm chair experts who expose their ignorance with the same stupid comments every time this comes up. First, they should learn the distinction between the old and new covenant and second learn the meaning of the term 'gospel'. Then they wouldn't look so stupid to people who actually have an RE GCSE. " The difference between the old and new covenant? Matthew 5:17-18. Jesus said: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished But then again, I'm enlightened mammal and have no need to follow the rules of a bronze age nomadic tribe from the Middle east... | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality. Because they are arm chair experts who expose their ignorance with the same stupid comments every time this comes up. First, they should learn the distinction between the old and new covenant and second learn the meaning of the term 'gospel'. Then they wouldn't look so stupid to people who actually have an RE GCSE. " Miaow!! Put those claws away! I said I don't get it hence I am asking! Not claiming to be an expert - I'm far from it, I have basic understanding which is what I clearly said.....? | |||
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"If we are talking about sin what has sex or sexuality have to do with sin? Homosapiens breath, eat and reproduce all are basic instincts of survival. So why should the act of reproducing be a sin or fall foul of religious beliefs? Religion is utter nonsense and has no real meaning in life save for providing comfort for issues we choose to leave in the mysterious category. Are we really ok with things like a virgin birth, resurrection, waiting for the messiah and the teaching that the baby Jesus's dad made the universe in 7 days? Nonsense ...............crack on have fun don't hurt anyone and be safe! " And indeed the point I made above about Adam and Eve..... I personally don't believe either but would like some opinions from those who do  | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality. Because they are arm chair experts who expose their ignorance with the same stupid comments every time this comes up. First, they should learn the distinction between the old and new covenant and second learn the meaning of the term 'gospel'. Then they wouldn't look so stupid to people who actually have an RE GCSE. The difference between the old and new covenant? Matthew 5:17-18. Jesus said: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished ." Yup, so what does 'come to fulfil' actually mean?? | |||
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"If we are talking about sin what has sex or sexuality have to do with sin? Homosapiens breath, eat and reproduce all are basic instincts of survival. So why should the act of reproducing be a sin or fall foul of religious beliefs? Religion is utter nonsense and has no real meaning in life save for providing comfort for issues we choose to leave in the mysterious category. Are we really ok with things like a virgin birth, resurrection, waiting for the messiah and the teaching that the baby Jesus's dad made the universe in 7 days? Nonsense ...............crack on have fun don't hurt anyone and be safe! And indeed the point I made above about Adam and Eve..... I personally don't believe either but would like some opinions from those who do "What somebody believes is their choice and theirs alone. However, the likelihood of having a mature and respectful debate about it is about as likely as the Beatles reforming. | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality. Because they are arm chair experts who expose their ignorance with the same stupid comments every time this comes up. First, they should learn the distinction between the old and new covenant and second learn the meaning of the term 'gospel'. Then they wouldn't look so stupid to people who actually have an RE GCSE. The difference between the old and new covenant? Matthew 5:17-18. Jesus said: 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished But then again, I'm enlightened mammal and have no need to follow the rules of a bronze age nomadic tribe from the Middle east..." I really don't think you've grasped the meaning of those verses if you think they contradict what I said. | |||
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"If we are talking about sin what has sex or sexuality have to do with sin? Homosapiens breath, eat and reproduce all are basic instincts of survival. So why should the act of reproducing be a sin or fall foul of religious beliefs? Religion is utter nonsense and has no real meaning in life save for providing comfort for issues we choose to leave in the mysterious category. Are we really ok with things like a virgin birth, resurrection, waiting for the messiah and the teaching that the baby Jesus's dad made the universe in 7 days? Nonsense ...............crack on have fun don't hurt anyone and be safe! And indeed the point I made above about Adam and Eve..... I personally don't believe either but would like some opinions from those who do
What somebody believes is their choice and theirs alone.
However, the likelihood of having a mature and respectful debate about it is about as likely as the Beatles reforming."I wasn't really looking for a debate (very naive of me really!) just a bit of explanation to enlighten me | |||
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"If we are talking about sin what has sex or sexuality have to do with sin? Homosapiens breath, eat and reproduce all are basic instincts of survival. So why should the act of reproducing be a sin or fall foul of religious beliefs? Religion is utter nonsense and has no real meaning in life save for providing comfort for issues we choose to leave in the mysterious category. Are we really ok with things like a virgin birth, resurrection, waiting for the messiah and the teaching that the baby Jesus's dad made the universe in 7 days? Nonsense ...............crack on have fun don't hurt anyone and be safe! And indeed the point I made above about Adam and Eve..... I personally don't believe either but would like some opinions from those who do
What somebody believes is their choice and theirs alone.
However, the likelihood of having a mature and respectful debate about it is about as likely as the Beatles reforming.
I wasn't really looking for a debate (very naive of me really!) just a bit of explanation to enlighten me "So you were looking for someone to put their views up and the ensuing slagging off they were going to get? | |||
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"If we are talking about sin what has sex or sexuality have to do with sin? Homosapiens breath, eat and reproduce all are basic instincts of survival. So why should the act of reproducing be a sin or fall foul of religious beliefs? Religion is utter nonsense and has no real meaning in life save for providing comfort for issues we choose to leave in the mysterious category. Are we really ok with things like a virgin birth, resurrection, waiting for the messiah and the teaching that the baby Jesus's dad made the universe in 7 days? Nonsense ...............crack on have fun don't hurt anyone and be safe! And indeed the point I made above about Adam and Eve..... I personally don't believe either but would like some opinions from those who do
What somebody believes is their choice and theirs alone.
However, the likelihood of having a mature and respectful debate about it is about as likely as the Beatles reforming."Or Leicester winning the Premiership again! | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality. Because they are arm chair experts who expose their ignorance with the same stupid comments every time this comes up. First, they should learn the distinction between the old and new covenant and second learn the meaning of the term 'gospel'. Then they wouldn't look so stupid to people who actually have an RE GCSE. Miaow!! Put those claws away! I said I don't get it hence I am asking! Not claiming to be an expert - I'm far from it, I have basic understanding which is what I clearly said.....?" I'm not aiming it at you, just people that think religion is just a big rule book and salvation is like some university test where entry to heaven is granted by a certain percentage pass mark for blind adherence to rules. Then you get the "I don't believe in talking to invisible men in the sky" crowd who think they are hyper rational. But it's the same ones who then go and join a political thread sprouting the most ridiculous political views that would make Karl Marx blush. | |||
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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "I used to meet a man of the cloth. When I found out I questioned it. He said he still has physical needs and wow he knew how to put them to action. Still one of my best to date | |||
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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "Fortunately, as a bible believer i already know I'm going to hell. That knowledge sets me free. | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough." Erm.. don't know what you've been reading but what you've described sounds more like Harry Potter than any religious text or faith that I've ever come across. | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough." edgy | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough. Erm.. don't know what you've been reading but what you've described sounds more like Harry Potter than any religious text or faith that I've ever come across." Which is kind of my point... | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough. edgy " Not at all. Merely an accurate description of religion. | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough. Erm.. don't know what you've been reading but what you've described sounds more like Harry Potter than any religious text or faith that I've ever come across. Which is kind of my point..." Which religion promised you the earth was going to be a wonderful happy clappy, cancer-free, conflict-free orgy of pleasure? | |||
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"I will add that all the above do clarify to me a little more why I have the set of beliefs that I do. And also reminds me why I usually only post silly threads "Try bareback or married men threads, they are less contentious | |||
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"I will add that all the above do clarify to me a little more why I have the set of beliefs that I do. And also reminds me why I usually only post silly threads
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"hankey Pankey, it's a good question you posed, 62 posts in an hour, you done well girl. We all carry these things with us. folks say we're British, don't talk about this or that I think people do like talking about this stuff. " We do but a lot of people on forums can't distinguish between a counter opinion and an insult. That's the problem. | |||
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"This true, very true. Lack of understanding hides behind Insults. "I do realise I insulted a fair few people. But they started it... | |||
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"hankey Pankey, it's a good question you posed, 62 posts in an hour, you done well girl. We all carry these things with us. folks say we're British, don't talk about this or that I think people do like talking about this stuff. We do but a lot of people on forums can't distinguish between a counter opinion and an insult. That's the problem. " Yup, and whilst I am happy for people to debate on either side of a question, I wish they would not argue against their own misunderstanding - that makes me want to play devils advocate! . | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough. Erm.. don't know what you've been reading but what you've described sounds more like Harry Potter than any religious text or faith that I've ever come across. Which is kind of my point... Which religion promised you the earth was going to be a wonderful happy clappy, cancer-free, conflict-free orgy of pleasure? " What kind of omnipotent being with ability to create a world like that allow one where children get cancer, where people's minds deteriorate to the point where they no longer know who they are, where there is famine, where there is war, where there is hate? It would take a pretty fucked up god of love to allow that kind of world, don't you think? | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control "Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart... or had never considered joining 'Ye Olde Fabswingers' | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart...
or had never considered joining 'Ye Olde Fabswingers' "Give up man! The original bible was written in Greek and translated some 100 years later! Looks at this...............Mr Fry sums it up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart...
or had never considered joining 'Ye Olde Fabswingers' Give up man! The original bible was written in Greek and translated some 100 years later!
Looks at this...............Mr Fry sums it up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo"And for the left footers amongst us (I being a lapsed one!!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6sz8D411kE | |||
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"I will add that all the above do clarify to me a little more why I have the set of beliefs that I do. And also reminds me why I usually only post silly threads "Please accept my apologies for being snappy with you. I was out of order. | |||
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"A swinger can not be a christian cos they are living in sin. The Bible nowhere explicitly addresses polyamory, swinging, or the idea of an open marriage. The idea that one spouse should consent to the other spouse having sex with other people is absolutely foreign to the Bible. The Bible speaks of sex within marriage as pure (Hebrews 13:4). The Bible speaks of sex outside of marriage as immoral and adulterous (1 Corinthians 6:13, 18; 10:8; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3). " Um, there is plenty of polygamy in the old testament. The point seems to be commitment - they could have one wife or several, but not any woman they liked. | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough. Erm.. don't know what you've been reading but what you've described sounds more like Harry Potter than any religious text or faith that I've ever come across. Which is kind of my point... Which religion promised you the earth was going to be a wonderful happy clappy, cancer-free, conflict-free orgy of pleasure? What kind of omnipotent being with ability to create a world like that allow one where children get cancer, where people's minds deteriorate to the point where they no longer know who they are, where there is famine, where there is war, where there is hate? It would take a pretty fucked up god of love to allow that kind of world, don't you think?" So basically you made up your own image of what a God should be and then decided that religions must be false because they didn't match your assumptions. Very logical | |||
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"I honestly hope more men of the cloth take to swinging and keep there hands off the choirboys or other minors trusted in there care . " Does that go for all the paedophile policemen, MPS, TV personalities and all the others who are in a position of authority or in a public role of moral guidance too? | |||
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"I honestly hope more men of the cloth take to swinging and keep there hands off the choirboys or other minors trusted in there care . Does that go for all the paedophile policemen, MPS, TV personalities and all the others who are in a position of authority or in a public role of moral guidance too?" Yes it does But this thread isn't about them is it ?  | |||
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"I honestly hope more men of the cloth take to swinging and keep there hands off the choirboys or other minors trusted in there care . " You do know that the amount of men of the cloth who abuse kids are a small minority don't you? Most are decent human beings | |||
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"I honestly hope more men of the cloth take to swinging and keep there hands off the choirboys or other minors trusted in there care . Does that go for all the paedophile policemen, MPS, TV personalities and all the others who are in a position of authority or in a public role of moral guidance too? Yes it does But this thread isn't about them is it ? "And this thread isn't about paedophilia or the rights and wrongs of religious institutions either. People use the example of evil priests to attempt to argue that religion is outdated. But there is more Abuse And breach of trust committed by entertainers And politicians. Does that mean that we should abolish television, music and tear down the house of commons? | |||
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"This deserves a long reply but we've only got a few minutes. Start by thinking about the meaning of adultery. The important bit is not sex but betrayal. And when we're swinging, we don't do that. We just share the joy of sexuality (God given, don't forget) with friends. Best and simplest answer on the thread . Janet & Nick xxxxxx" | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart...
or had never considered joining 'Ye Olde Fabswingers' "Not exactly. "Almah" used in the passage from Isaiah means any young woman, not specifically a virgin, which would have been "betulah". It is indeed a mistranslation - take it from a professional translator. | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart...
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Not exactly. "Almah" used in the passage from Isaiah means any young woman, not specifically a virgin, which would have been "betulah". It is indeed a mistranslation - take it from a professional translator. "OK well don't forget to tell the Pope... | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart...
or had never considered joining 'Ye Olde Fabswingers'
Not exactly. "Almah" used in the passage from Isaiah means any young woman, not specifically a virgin, which would have been "betulah". It is indeed a mistranslation - take it from a professional translator.
OK well don't forget to tell the Pope... "He has studied Hebrew. He is actually very multilingual. | |||
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"The bible like all religious writings were written by men not god in an attempt to give meaning to a world they hardly understood and to bring order to the social group , it's in man's nature to try and control everything and the easiest thing to control is other people . But all religious writings are open to interpretation, and they are written in an ambiguous fashion so the interpretation can be changed to fit the situation so those that preach will always be right and in control.i just chose to interpret it as a load of bollocks.therefore I'm right and in control
Yep! The idea of a virgin birth is a mis-translation, at that time virgin referred to being pure of heart...
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Not exactly. "Almah" used in the passage from Isaiah means any young woman, not specifically a virgin, which would have been "betulah". It is indeed a mistranslation - take it from a professional translator.
OK well don't forget to tell the Pope...
He has studied Hebrew. He is actually very multilingual. "So does he agree or is it a conspiracy? | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. " You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? " Thou shalt love thy neighbor and all that | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? " Surely a sin is a sin? In those terms it's an absolute, no? Deciding which sins are better or worse is the interpretation of the society at that time and not based upon any hierachy of sin that's in scripture. | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? Surely a sin is a sin? In those terms it's an absolute, no? Deciding which sins are better or worse is the interpretation of the society at that time and not based upon any hierachy of sin that's in scripture. " Well Catholics have managed to agree on it for 161 years but it probably would have been helpful if the Jews wrote down the top 10 or something... | |||
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"Why do all non religious people seem to focus so much attention on the parts of the Bible concerning fornication? It makes up a tiny, tiny, tiny part of Christian teaching and morality. Religious people have to make their own judgement based on their own morality and what they deem to be right or appropriate at any given time and live with the consequences of their actions both in this life and the next. The Bible is a guideline and a source of advice, it does not cover every situation or eventuality. I'm only focusing on it cause this is a sex based site. If I go on a shoplifting/mugging site I'll focus on the theft aspect.
I personally don't agree with the Bible anyway.
It started with Adam and Eve who had two sons - Cain and Able. They then went on to populate the earth.
Erm -how??"Well it does say in the bible they had Cain and Abel and unnamed daughters. Not sure I like that train of thought. | |||
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"Totally incongruous to be religious and be a swinger. " I don't think having a religion precludes an erection! | |||
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"I have found that people of all religions only follow the bits they agree with and ignore the bits they find inconvenient to their life. I don't know of one person who claims to be a 'very religious person' who follows all the tenents of their chosen religion, they pick and choose what they feel applies to them." | |||
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"I have found that people of all religions only follow the bits they agree with and ignore the bits they find inconvenient to their life. I don't know of one person who claims to be a 'very religious person' who follows all the tenents of their chosen religion, they pick and choose what they feel applies to them. "I know the feeling, it's like those anti-capitalists who sit in Starbucks using their iPhones to bitch about greedy corporations on the fab forums. | |||
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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "Not all religious people follow all the rules in each religious. Most versions of the same religion cannot agree on the same rules let alone the people within. | |||
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"Totally incongruous to be religious and be a swinger. I don't think having a religion precludes an erection!" No but it might preclude sticking it in any random hole. | |||
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I think "The Life of Brian" was closer to the truth than anything in the bible or Koran. | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? Surely a sin is a sin? In those terms it's an absolute, no? Deciding which sins are better or worse is the interpretation of the society at that time and not based upon any hierachy of sin that's in scripture. Well Catholics have managed to agree on it for 161 years but it probably would have been helpful if the Jews wrote down the top 10 or something..." But that highlights the point perfectly. There's vociferous opposition against abortion from many Christians (particularly in the US) but no where near the same sort of opposition towards the death penalty. That usually comes from agnostic/atheist social liberals. There's vociferous oppostion against homosexuality or marriage equality, yet there isn't the same demonisation of adultery. I know of no religious groups calling for adultery to be illegal or to have legislation around it. Which is why I say there's a hierarchy of sin. | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? Surely a sin is a sin? In those terms it's an absolute, no? Deciding which sins are better or worse is the interpretation of the society at that time and not based upon any hierachy of sin that's in scripture. Well Catholics have managed to agree on it for 161 years but it probably would have been helpful if the Jews wrote down the top 10 or something... But that highlights the point perfectly. There's vociferous opposition against abortion from many Christians (particularly in the US) but no where near the same sort of opposition towards the death penalty. That usually comes from agnostic/atheist social liberals. There's vociferous oppostion against homosexuality or marriage equality, yet there isn't the same demonisation of adultery. I know of no religious groups calling for adultery to be illegal or to have legislation around it. Which is why I say there's a hierarchy of sin. " Indeed there is a hierarchy of sin! I was confused by your comment "I never quite seem to understand why" | |||
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"For many followers of religion there seems to be a hierarchy of sin, and I never quite seem to understand why. You can't understand why fucking the neighbours wife isn't as bad as killing her? Surely a sin is a sin? In those terms it's an absolute, no? Deciding which sins are better or worse is the interpretation of the society at that time and not based upon any hierachy of sin that's in scripture. Well Catholics have managed to agree on it for 161 years but it probably would have been helpful if the Jews wrote down the top 10 or something... But that highlights the point perfectly. There's vociferous opposition against abortion from many Christians (particularly in the US) but no where near the same sort of opposition towards the death penalty. That usually comes from agnostic/atheist social liberals. There's vociferous oppostion against homosexuality or marriage equality, yet there isn't the same demonisation of adultery. I know of no religious groups calling for adultery to be illegal or to have legislation around it. Which is why I say there's a hierarchy of sin. " Good post.
So called "sin" is just another man made method of control.
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"Well let me think... apparently if you say there's life out side earth as in aliens you're classed as a nut job...HOWEVER...it's perfectly sane to say a guy in the sky created man and then woman from one if his ribs...!!! Religion has some truly horrendous undertones..." | |||
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"The most important aspect is in the teachings of understanding, compassion, forgiveness, tolerance and charity. I feel that my faith on Christianity makes me a stronger, better person than I would be otherwise. " That's a bit thin on the ground these days in many quarters. | |||
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"I genuinely despair when I see grown adults believing in a magic, invisible man in the sky who, when he's not giving cancer to babies, will grant wishes if you think about them hard enough." I'm more disturbed on how ideologies can get away with persecuting people because they call it a religion. And when people speak against their ideology they are berated for not allowing them their 'religious' freedom - freedoms their ideologies won't allow in countries and states that they control. | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. " Very very true | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true" Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x " If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. | |||
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"I have seen something on another thread this morning that surprised me somewhat. Someone referred to only being judged by he was crucified..... This comment also brought up more than one 'positive' response. I'm not religious in any way personally, but I aware of basic beliefs - and as such I'm confused how you could be Catholic / Christian and be on this site at all? Unless of course you all wish to go to hell or you spend 5 out of 7 days repenting!? "I cannot see any conflict . Christians believe in Christian values and respecting and helping others . I fail to see how being s Christian should prevent you from joining a site such as this . | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. " So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x " Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. " You really want use the word "facts" in a religious debate? | |||
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"I honestly hope more men of the cloth take to swinging and keep there hands off the choirboys or other minors trusted in there care . " These incidents are extremely isolated. As religious leaders are public figures , it would be a bit difficult for them to engage in the activities to which you refer. | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. You really want use the word "facts" in a religious debate? " Yes it's a fact that there isn't a single person showing religion down anyone's throat on this thread but the same can't be said for the non-religious. | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. You really want use the word "facts" in a religious debate? Yes it's a fact that there isn't a single person showing religion down anyone's throat on this thread but the same can't be said for the non-religious. " Nice dodge, but hang in there, god works in mysterious ways.. maybe a mass fab genocide will make you feel better | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. " As a very broad generalisation I tend to find that non religious people are far less tolerant than those who are religious . This is despite the fact that these non religious people seen to think that they are open minded . | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. As a very broad generalisation I tend to find that non religious people are far less tolerant than those who are religious . This is despite the fact that these non religious people seen to think that they are open minded . " Ridiculous. NRP's live happily with no thought of religion or any fairy stories until fundamentalist nut-jobs intrude into their lives with their disapproval, murder, terrorism, anti birth-control/abortion and all the other associated complete bollocks. That is what gets us going. Just keep it to yourselves and there is no problem. Shut-the-fuck-up and live and let live. | |||
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"Generally speaking non Christians seem to have no idea what they are talking about when they choose to criticise Christians and their beliefs. Very very true Generally speaking most christians know very little about their religion yet still try to force it down everyones throat x If you could find one instance of that on fab I'd be surprised. For every one instance you could find then I could show you 20 of atheists who try to force atheism down everyone's throat. So for every unlikely instance i could find, you could find 20 unlikely instances, wow.. fabled words indeed x Sorry if the facts get in the way of your opinion but maybe you didn't get the memo, atheists are the biggest zealots going. As a very broad generalisation I tend to find that non religious people are far less tolerant than those who are religious . This is despite the fact that these non religious people seen to think that they are open minded . Ridiculous. NRP's live happily with no thought of religion or any fairy stories until fundamentalist nut-jobs intrude into their lives with their disapproval, murder, terrorism, anti birth-control/abortion and all the other associated complete bollocks. That is what gets us going. Just keep it to yourselves and there is no problem. Shut-the-fuck-up and live and let live." Yep. | |||
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"I just find it pathetic on this site how there are always people who jump on these threads (which start out asking a perfectly reasonable question) with the sole intention of shitting on other people's beliefs in the sad hope that it makes them look so superior and clever. Maybe it's these militant athiests who need to shut the fuck up and live-and-let-fab a little." It's almost like they are insecure about their own beliefs... | |||
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"I just find it pathetic on this site how there are always people who jump on these threads (which start out asking a perfectly reasonable question) with the sole intention of shitting on other people's beliefs in the sad hope that it makes them look so superior and clever. Maybe it's these militant athiests who need to shut the fuck up and live-and-let-fab a little. It's almost like they are insecure about their own beliefs... "  | |||
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"I just find it pathetic on this site how there are always people who jump on these threads (which start out asking a perfectly reasonable question) with the sole intention of shitting on other people's beliefs in the sad hope that it makes them look so superior and clever. Maybe it's these militant athiests who need to shut the fuck up and live-and-let-fab a little." ...and if they don't you can just murder them like they do in Bangladesh. | |||
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"If we are talking about sin what has sex or sexuality have to do with sin? Homosapiens breath, eat and reproduce all are basic instincts of survival. So why should the act of reproducing be a sin or fall foul of religious beliefs? Religion is utter nonsense and has no real meaning in life save for providing comfort for issues we choose to leave in the mysterious category. Are we really ok with things like a virgin birth, resurrection, waiting for the messiah and the teaching that the baby Jesus's dad made the universe in 7 days? Nonsense ...............crack on have fun don't hurt anyone and be safe! " I love this | |||
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"I'm not religious in any way at all, actually don't believe in it, but each to their own. However, why is it wrong for religious people to enjoy consentual sex?? Outside of marriage - yes! It's all a sin
Why? and who said?
Christianity, the 7th commandment - thou shall not commit adultery.
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