FabSwingers.com forum: confused

By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

its not just the op in question, hence the confusion.

if a guy is straight, he likes women in our eyes, if he wants to meet tv/ts, then surely he must be bi or curious.

very confusing

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

totally agree janelle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's bi we all know that sucking a tvs cock is the same as sucking a mans cock jeez

How do you know he sucks cock?"

Cause I'd make him if I'm sucking his cock I want it back he's certainly not meeting me for company

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"its not just the op in question, hence the confusion.

if a guy is straight, he likes women in our eyes, if he wants to meet tv/ts, then surely he must be bi or curious.

very confusing"

You are trying to work with limited boxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are hundreds on here that play with tvs and state they are straight and they believe that.

When they message me saying they want to suck my cock but are str8 tells me two things they are bi or so desperate they can't pull a real woman lol

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"He's bi we all know that sucking a tvs cock is the same as sucking a mans cock jeez

How do you know he sucks cock?

Cause I'd make him if I'm sucking his cock I want it back he's certainly not meeting me for company "

You are not everyone else.

Just because you would do something, it doesn't give you no right to state what someone else does when you haven't got a clue in reality.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP I wouldn't waste another second worrying about it if I were you. I've long come to the conclusion that there are many delusional people on this site, and their sexuality is fluid.

Just ignore the ambiguous ones if they don't interest you and go for those that do!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why don't you just ask him?

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

think your right about the delusional bit sassy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

There are loads of straight girls too that like drinking from the furry cup.

Don't hear about too many of them being questioned though

Kate has a mate who is "straight" but she says she sometimes likes girl on girl play but insists she is not bi or lesbian.

Who gives a fook anyway?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv I know more about this than you. And come across this many times on meets. I will not meet anyone who's not prepared to at least do oral with me. I love sucking cock but I love having mine sucked too.

Why waste my time meeting someone who wants me to do everything and him doing nothing for me.

Yeah there are some tvs that are happy for that role play but not all

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OP just ask the guy and see what he says I bet he'll say they are just friends and he's never wanted to play with them. Yeah right

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

This isnt about the guy, its about guys in particular, or women come to that.

straight means you play with the opposite sex.

so to us any one who has sexual fun with a person of the same gender is bi

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes they are bi if they can't admit that I'm not interested

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv I know more about this than you."

Really?

So you know the guy the OP is talking about? And you have discussed his feelings about his own sexuality?

NO... so you know no more than anyone else.

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

here here

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv "

Talk about confused

Are you not a TS anymore?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OP just ask the guy and see what he says I bet he'll say they are just friends and he's never wanted to play with them. Yeah right

Your logic there isn't always true though Janelle. If we met you at a social and we got along socially we would be more than happy to accept a friend invite if it was offered.

Accepting a friend on here is the same as a verification. It means nothing really.

We've met loads of people at socials and have them on our friends list. Most of the couples have at least one bi partner.

And neither Kate or myself have any doubts about our sexuality

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Polo I know from experience

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv

Talk about confused

Are you not a TS anymore?"

TS is somthing differant I've not had the op

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv I know more about this than you.

Really?

So you know the guy the OP is talking about? And you have discussed his feelings about his own sexuality?

NO... so you know no more than anyone else."

polo we are not talking about a guy, no one in particular its a general thing that applies to many guys on here.

so just to put it straight in your mind there is no guy it was just a general observation and the figures quoted were from a profile but not to single a guy out just an example.

hope that clears it up for you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm friends with straight guys and couples on here people I wouldn't play with that's why I said to the OP ask him as they could be friends.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A cock is a cock it may be hideing under a skirt but its still a cock and if the said person is willing to play with it he aint straight

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Polo I know from experience "

But you keep saying it is based on what YOU expect.

Not everyone is like you.

Some TV/TS want to be treated like a woman. Some don't want to use their cocks at all.

Some guys don't mind who sucks their cock as long as it passes as a woman... some real women only just manage that... but they still get meets.

Sexuality is more complex than 3 boxes.

I would have expected someone with your life experience to be a little more clued up on the subject.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Polo I know from experience "

The same experience a thousand times.....or a thousand different experiences .....

You can`t assume your experiences hold true for people you`ve never met ..

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv

Talk about confused

Are you not a TS anymore?

TS is somthing differant I've not had the op"

You are confused then.... the op is not what makes the difference between a TV and a TS.

You don't apprear to understand your own gender identity, so it is a bit much to expect you to understand anyone else's sexual identity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

*Goes to find a profile of someone I'm not interested in to start a thread about*

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"*Goes to find a profile of someone I'm not interested in to start a thread about*

ahh wondered when bertie would pop up, read it all again bertie see if it reads differently second time round.

what we are saying just so you are not as confused as us is.

if a guy is straight or claims to be why would he want to meet tv/ts or bi males alone or as part of a bi male couple.

its not a question of looking at someone we are not interested in and starting a thread, there are thousands of those, most straight but this was a serious question, anyway glad you popped up your input is always interesting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"*Goes to find a profile of someone I'm not interested in to start a thread about*

ahh wondered when bertie would pop up, read it all again bertie see if it reads differently second time round.

what we are saying just so you are not as confused as us is.

if a guy is straight or claims to be why would he want to meet tv/ts or bi males alone or as part of a bi male couple.

Thank you that's sweet.

I did read it. You are askingthe question of everyone OTHER than the one person that can answer it aren't you. Seems like a moan to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"He's bi we all know that sucking a tvs cock is the same as sucking a mans cock jeez

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why is it not the same ?? its a cock because you have a dress on and lip gloss , ? you still have balls and cock?

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

well you see it how you like my fellow op, but we see it as a general comment regarding swingers and on a swingers forum on a swingers site we think we have the right to pose a feeling, question or what ever you see fit to call it.

sorry are we wrong is that not swingers forums are for?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Transsexual men and women (referred to as a trans man or trans woman respectively) desire to establish a permanent gender role as a member of the gender with which they identify, often pursuing medical interventions as part of the process. These physical alterations are collectively referred to as sex reassignment therapy and may include female-to-male or male-to-female hormone replacement therapy, or various surgeries such as orchiectomy, facial feminization surgery, sex reassignment surgery, trachea shave and mastectomy. The entire process of switching from one physical sex and social gender presentation to the other is often referred to as transition, and usually takes several years

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv

Talk about confused

Are you not a TS anymore?

TS is somthing differant I've not had the op

You are confused then.... the op is not what makes the difference between a TV and a TS.

You don't apprear to understand your own gender identity, so it is a bit much to expect you to understand anyone else's sexual identity."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry Polo but as a bi man and a tv

Talk about confused

Are you not a TS anymore?

TS is somthing differant I've not had the op

You are confused then.... the op is not what makes the difference between a TV and a TS.

You don't apprear to understand your own gender identity, so it is a bit much to expect you to understand anyone else's sexual identity."

My gender identity is I am a transvestite, I have no desire to have boobs or my cock off in the near future I am comfortable in myself as I am.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"well you see it how you like my fellow op, but we see it as a general comment regarding swingers and on a swingers forum on a swingers site we think we have the right to pose a feeling, question or what ever you see fit to call it.

sorry are we wrong is that not swingers forums are for?"

I'm not sure it for putting the specific details of someone elses profile on a forum because you happen not to like it...I think that's against the rules isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am a man and will always be one I am not confused about that,I simply love to dress as a woman which makes me a tv/cd. As a transexual I would be wanting to change my sex,that I am not wanting to do.

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"Transsexual men and women (referred to as a trans man or trans woman respectively) desire to establish a permanent gender role as a member of the gender with which they identify, often pursuing medical interventions as part of the process. These physical alterations are collectively referred to as sex reassignment therapy and may include female-to-male or male-to-female hormone replacement therapy, or various surgeries such as orchiectomy, facial feminization surgery, sex reassignment surgery, trachea shave and mastectomy. The entire process of switching from one physical sex and social gender presentation to the other is often referred to as transition, and usually takes several years"

All very well quoting from a book or an article, but the truth is that you do not have to have had the gender reassignment procedure, nor wish to have that procedure in order to be a Transexual.

I am surprised you never knew that Janelle.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So what do I take from the thread ...

Some people appear confused over their sexuality ? ..goes without saying I guess...

People make assumptions over the ambiguity ....goes without saying again..

How does this affect me ?

It doesn`t .....I take the line .....

Can I change this ? or do I have to accept that is part of the scheme of things ?

I`m of the view that attempting to change or control it ..is like tilting at windmills ....and saps my positivity ...so best I accept its part of the rich tapestry blah blah ...and chill...

I move on to other profiles that match our needs and wants ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Jane I am going from my experience and the experience from friends who have completed the transformation from man to woman.

Sexually they wanted to be women me I am happily sexually to be a man. To me thats the difference and thats how I see it.

Some like me are happy staying a man,yes I have dressed like a woman for years but sexually my cock does the talking,no way would I want that baby chopped off. Good god I could not imagine having to go through an op like that.

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

dont think so as the op we looked at could have been one of many and no names mentioned, in fact we could have made the figures up as far as any one lese is aware so what is your point bertie if you have one?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am a man and will always be one I am not confused about that,I simply love to dress as a woman which makes me a tv/cd. As a transexual I would be wanting to change my sex,that I am not wanting to do."

it makes you a bisexual tv/cd

some cross dressers are straight.

yet you can bet your bottom dollar that straight cross dressers on here will at some point have their sexuality questioned

usually by bi cd's

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know lots that are straight they love dressing as a woman but they love women. I also know tvs that are gay,I am in the middle and like both.

I am not saying cause you dress as a women your bi/gay,but I am saying if a man wants to suck another mans cock even a tvs that makes him bi. and thats what this post is about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I dont think you can surmise what people are up to by their friends list. We are a couple but we have a TV friend in our list. But what that means is that I am good friends with a TV, we message and discuss clothes and makeup. Now maybe the guy has played with TVs before, who cares what hes done before, if you like him message him and take it from there.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"dont think so as the op we looked at could have been one of many and no names mentioned, in fact we could have made the figures up as far as any one lese is aware so what is your point bertie if you have one?"

The point is, as you are well aware, you have left more than enough information about a person...regarding their profile and that they have started a thread, for anyone to find them. If you don't like a profile or if you are nonplussed by it...leave him alone. He can put whatever he wants on his profile it's not our business.

Some of us will not like the fact that you have posted details of someone that you want to make 'a point' about...it's unpleasant. Hope this serves as clarification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it makes you a bisexual tv/cd

some cross dressers are straight.

yet you can bet your bottom dollar that straight cross dressers on here will at some point have their sexuality questioned

usually by bi cd's"

I would not question a tvs sexuality as you said it fulls in 3 diff parts

Straight

Gay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No the OP was asking a general question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know lots that are straight they love dressing as a woman but they love women. I also know tvs that are gay,I am in the middle and like both.

I am not saying cause you dress as a women your bi/gay,but I am saying if a man wants to suck another mans cock even a tvs that makes him bi. and thats what this post is about."

i thought the op was about pulling apart someone else's profile because of what he put on it and the sexuality of the friends he has

my apologies

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

"No the OP was asking a general question "

No...the OP never mentioned anyone sucking anyones cock

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No probs x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No the OP was asking a general question

No...the OP never mentioned anyone sucking anyones cock"

No I mentioned that to lower the tone,well someone as to around here x

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

Some of us will not like the fact that you have posted details of someone that you want to make 'a point' about...it's unpleasant. Hope this serves as clarification."

wow this is so hard to get across to you bertie its not about a person its about us being confused as to how a guy who is straight, any guy not any in particular can claim to be straight yet want to meet couples with bi male etc etc and we dont want to make a point about anyone it was an example only jesus i dont think you are thick bertie by any means but it aint rocket science

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

it makes you a bisexual tv/cd

some cross dressers are straight.

yet you can bet your bottom dollar that straight cross dressers on here will at some point have their sexuality questioned

usually by bi cd's

I would not question a tvs sexuality as you said it fulls in 3 diff parts

Straight

Gay"

Or anything inbetween .....

Confused or experimenting .....

Whatever it is ....its the persons own business ....accountable to no one....or assuming which box to put them in ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Good god indeed it isn't. If you wish to make a general point then you could have! you chose not to...you gave details of someones profile and who they are ...now how do YOU not understand the difference?

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"I know lots that are straight they love dressing as a woman but they love women. I also know tvs that are gay,I am in the middle and like both.

I am not saying cause you dress as a women your bi/gay,but I am saying if a man wants to suck another mans cock even a tvs that makes him bi. and thats what this post is about.

We are not pulling anyone apart as you have realised tra mar but as people jump on the band wagon and want to make it into an arguement as happens to so many genuine threads on here, it ends up being repetitious and makes us wonder if its ever woth using the forums

i thought the op was about pulling apart someone else's profile because of what he put on it and the sexuality of the friends he has

my apologies"

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"Good god indeed it isn't. If you wish to make a general point then you could have! you chose not to...you gave details of someones profile and who they are ...now how do YOU not understand the difference?

As members of several swinging sites, most with forums who is to say the thread was on this site?

you just wanted to jump on the band wagon and have a say, which if it was constructive, ie helping us to understand it all would have been gratefully received how ever since it wasnt, dont think any thing you are adding is of any use to us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i love these discussions as its very hard for some ppl to fit into nice and neat little ticky boxes.

Myself, prime example. I do not class myself as bi curious, as i've had relationships with woman.

I dont not class myself as bi sexual, as i prefer cock and its the first and last thing i always want.

i do however, enjoy parties and clubs and enjoy whatever the mood takes me and whatever feels right at the time, but there isnt a ticky box for bi playful

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

Three men go to a glory hole and take turns poking their cock through.

The first is straight and unknown to him it is a guy sucking his cock.

The second is gay and unknown to him it is a woman sucking his cock.

The third is bi… but gets stage fright and doesn’t poke his cock through .

Are all the men bisexual now?

A man fancies women and only women but is prepared to let a tv suck his cock if the lights are low enough for the tv to pass as a woman. Is he bi or straight but not fussy?

Two men are deeply in love and committed to each other but they don’t have sex. Does that mean they are not gay and not bi so they must be straight?

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"i love these discussions as its very hard for some ppl to fit into nice and neat little ticky boxes.

Myself, prime example. I do not class myself as bi curious, as i've had relationships with woman.

I dont not class myself as bi sexual, as i prefer cock and its the first and last thing i always want.

i do however, enjoy parties and clubs and enjoy whatever the mood takes me and whatever feels right at the time, but there isnt a ticky box for bi playful

Thanks for your input, this is what the thread is all about, us trying to understand the logic behind fems playing together, or guys and still maintaining they are not bi or bi curious.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i know a lot of straight guys that are def not put off playing with cpl with a bi male if it just the female the cpl want him to play with as all bi guys i know are very respectful of straight guys as are the straight guys respectful of the bi guys .It is up to them to decide how they want to play.And just as an added thought how many straight guys have had the offer of dvp or even dap altho just thought of that makes me eyes water and thought sod that cant do that cos that would mean me cocks touching another guys i would be bi then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As members of several swinging sites, most with forums who is to say the thread was on this site?

Well the best advice to 'help you understand' as has been suggested more than once...ask him!

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"Three men go to a glory hole and take turns poking their cock through.

The first is straight and unknown to him it is a guy sucking his cock.

The second is gay and unknown to him it is a woman sucking his cock.

The third is bi… but gets stage fright and doesn’t poke his cock through .

Are all the men bisexual now?

A man fancies women and only women but is prepared to let a tv suck his cock if the lights are low enough for the tv to pass as a woman. Is he bi or straight but not fussy?

Two men are deeply in love and committed to each other but they don’t have sex. Does that mean they are not gay and not bi so they must be straight?

As regards the glory hole, how can the straight guy be gay as he didnt know who was sucking him? if he did and enjoyed it he may change his sexual preferences after but having it happen without his knowledge wouldnt make him gay or bi

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

As members of several swinging sites, most with forums who is to say the thread was on this site?

Well the best advice to 'help you understand' as has been suggested more than once...ask him!"

And get what ? one mans opinion? what we were hoping for was a sesible discussion with adults about something we are confused about, but hey we got what so many threads end up as bitchy pathetic comments from people who are so opinionated its suprising they get meets. or do they

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

this seems to be a thread making an unsolicited comment on another members profile.specifically. it took me 1 minute to work out who. should it still be here??

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By *agman n angel OP Couple
over a year ago

benidorm

"Just read a thread by a guy who claims to be straight, but wants tv/ts, and out of the 9 friends he has, 3 are fem, and 9 are tv.

This is confusing as we really dont know if the guy is straight or curious.

or maybe its just us thats old fashioned

Yep seems to be about one guy to me.

again you miss the point ah well not all get it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

He has Bisexual tendencies, SIMPLES….

Alternatively he’s delusional

All this spur of the moment stuff I can partly understand, but when someone is actively looking for it then that itself tells its own story.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As members of several swinging sites, most with forums who is to say the thread was on this site?

Well the best advice to 'help you understand' as has been suggested more than once...ask him!

I'm happy to tell you I don't get to meet anyone if that makes you feel better?...However...it wouldn't be 'one man's opinion'...it would be the definitive answer from the only person that can give it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"i love these discussions as its very hard for some ppl to fit into nice and neat little ticky boxes.

Myself, prime example. I do not class myself as bi curious, as i've had relationships with woman.

I dont not class myself as bi sexual, as i prefer cock and its the first and last thing i always want.

i do however, enjoy parties and clubs and enjoy whatever the mood takes me and whatever feels right at the time, but there isnt a ticky box for bi playful

Thanks for your input, this is what the thread is all about, us trying to understand the logic behind fems playing together, or guys and still maintaining they are not bi or bi curious. "

Without being obtuse.....

Don`t you think trying to rationalise the whole gamut of human sexuality is a mugs game ...I`m not inferring you are btw...its a genuine question ...its tempting I know ..but essentially misses the point of communities of humans ...

Humans are essentially very irrational and complex...its a common phenomena to be confused by people and their predelictions and foibles..

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

"this seems to be a thread making an unsolicited comment on another members profile.specifically. it took me 1 minute to work out who. should it still be here??"

They have said they use other forums so it may not be a member on here.

( if that isn't the case then I am sure someone will let me know )

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

We have on our friends list a gay man...we are not gay.

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By *onnoisseur100Man
over a year ago

Woking-ish

"He's bi we all know that sucking a tvs cock is the same as sucking a mans cock jeez

Is it! wow... I thought sucking a tv just got you electricuted!

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By *ugby 123Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

O o O oo

Thanks for all the mails of who you all thought the thread was about, and as you all came to the same conclusion, I am shutting this.

To the OP...if you want to ask a question on the forums please ask a general one and don't pick out one persons profile.

( off to delete all quoted posts )

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