FabSwingers.com forum: Poppers to be made illegal(again) from April 1st

By *vgloryholebs16 OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

Once again the sex drug poppers is to be made illegal (yet again) after the house of lords ruling..It has had a very rocky history..What are your thoughts on this new piece of legislation and drug laws in general?..

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

the ones in the UK are shite anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

cant say I'm bothered

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I for one will be glad when they are banned, as so many users are inconsiderate

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By *iggles and BeardyCouple
over a year ago

Bristol

Tried it as a teen, gave me a headache so never bothered since.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The debate on drug laws is a bit of a minefield.

On the one hand you have civil liberties and the individual right to do what you want to your body, the cost of policing and the judicial system.

Arguments that making drugs illegal only puts the profits from their sale into the hands of criminals and adds hugely to healthcare costs due to impure and irregular supply.

On the other argument is the social impact of increased numbers of users and arguments that there would be increased health care costs.

Most pro legalisation arguments will compare impacts to those of existing legal drugs, alcohol and nicotine, perhaps the answer is to make these illegal too?

Personally I do think that licensed, regulated and controlled availability, along with education and social awareness might be the answer but then I do admit I would need one hell of a lot more research to actively promote this as a solid opinion

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

How thoughtful maverick..

I suggest you stock up now with the diluted stuff that they currently sell...

Illegal...what a joke..can you imagine gay clubs and sauna's etc trying to police this once again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never tried em, have no desire to try em

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Horrible stuff. Tried them once in my younger teen days- horrendous headache!! X

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By *r ManxMan
over a year ago

NeverWhere

Personally i would have a approved list of legal drugs to get high on ie cannabis , alcohol maybe poppers making sure they are properly regulated,inspected and tax them appropriately.

But I would then bill anyone who is hospitalised or arrested under the influence of any other substance and if appropriate send them to prison

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We don't use poppers , but in some play environments they seem to have their place .

Particularly amongst the cd/tv community .

Never seen anyone have a problem with them .

Can't really see why they should be banned .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tried when I was much younger...gave me a banging headache...Ive never seen them used as they should be used though.

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

Most pro legalisation arguments will compare impacts to those of existing legal drugs, alcohol and nicotine, perhaps the answer is to make these illegal too?"

There was a fairly extensive study done in 1920's America on alcohol, involving the entire population. I think it is fair to say it was pretty conclusively proved to be be a dreadful policy to make it illegal.

The best answer is educating users of the effects of the drug they are using usually, rather than ban it.

Education helped me to choose to stay off cigarettes and hard drugs. I don't really care for canabis anyway, but the education on psychosis, particularly when combined with alcohol is going to have an effect on that in time.

As for poppers, they aren't really addictive and some like them during sex, some don't. Those who don't find out pretty quickly and don't go back.

Much better to have them legal but regulated and ban any other legal highs until they are studied sufficiently.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't use poppers , but in some play environments they seem to have their place .

Particularly amongst the cd/tv community .

Never seen anyone have a problem with them .

Can't really see why they should be banned ."

there classed as a legal high

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fun will be banned soon for being too dangerous. I love poppers and chem sex. xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OK. Heard it on Radio 4 today BUT what do they do????

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't use poppers , but in some play environments they seem to have their place .

Particularly amongst the cd/tv community .

Never seen anyone have a problem with them .

Can't really see why they should be banned ."

We have had people not use them with consideration in closed areas in clubs and they make me really poorly... Even though im not taking them... Close enough for me to smell them and I do not like the effect it has on other people either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't use poppers , but in some play environments they seem to have their place .

Particularly amongst the cd/tv community .

Never seen anyone have a problem with them .

Can't really see why they should be banned .

People using them around us have always been very considerate , and although we don't like the smell , the effect they have on the user seems to enhance the play

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

I really don't know why we spend so much time and treasure trying to stop people getting high by one method or another.

Although I tried a few things in my youth I've never really been greatly into artificial highs but I have no problem with other people getting as high as they like by what ever method they choose.

The reality is is that the so called 'war on drugs', that has been on going since the end of WW I, had been a complete failure and is never, ever going to a war that can be won. Banning a whole new area of substances will be about as affective at controlling it as the ban on cannabis and cocaine introduced in 1928 has been at controlling them. Do we never learn anything from history?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fun will be banned soon for being too dangerous. I love poppers and chem sex. xx"

Again , very populate with the tv community , but Chen sex seems to create a less than pleasant effect . Retards orgasm , pushes boundaries a bit too far if you aren't doing it yourself .

A bit like those who don't play till they're pissed , and not the best experience if you're sober .

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By *ancs MinxWoman
over a year ago

Burnley

"Tried it as a teen, gave me a headache so never bothered since."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I really don't know why we spend so much time and treasure trying to stop people getting high by one method or another.

Although I tried a few things in my youth I've never really been greatly into artificial highs but I have no problem with other people getting as high as they like by what ever method they choose.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Just gave me a headache so not that bothered about poppers.

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By *ordonBennettMan
over a year ago

dover

Thanks for the heads up..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"We don't use poppers , but in some play environments they seem to have their place .

Particularly amongst the cd/tv community .

Never seen anyone have a problem with them .

Can't really see why they should be banned .

What effects do they gave? I tried it once, honestly I couldn't feel a thing...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I use them occasionally as a prelude to anal sex! I don't have any negative side effects - but I can understand they're not for everyone!

Criminalising them is pointless though - they'd still be used!

I also very much doubt they're as harmful to the body as smoking or drinking heavily!

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Old ones where fine, can't even be in the same room without getting violent headaches

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't used them for about a decade and even then they didn't have much effect. If I needed to use them to be able to have anal sex I just wouldn't have anal sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Could it be a potentially dangerous chemical being used in them that is getting the ban?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Personally i would have a approved list of legal drugs to get high on ie cannabis , alcohol maybe poppers making sure they are properly regulated,inspected and tax them appropriately.

But I would then bill anyone who is hospitalised or arrested under the influence of any other substance and if appropriate send them to prison "

Should you extend that to anyone willfully carrying out a risky activity?

Skateboarders, drivers, rock climbers, joggers, cycalists and footballers?

Each groups choices lead to expensive costs for the nhs.

Except for smokers of course who actually fund a suplus of money.

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By *lick9Man
over a year ago

Stockport

April 1st are you sure its not a joke ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Really couldn't give a fuck.

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By *alandNitaCouple
over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Each groups choices lead to expensive costs for the nhs.

Except for smokers of course who actually fund a suplus of money.

I believe that the cost is supposed to be a deterrent?

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham

"Should you extend that to anyone willfully carrying out a risky activity?

Skateboarders, drivers, rock climbers, joggers, cycalists and footballers?

Each groups choices lead to expensive costs for the nhs.

Except for smokers of course who actually fund a suplus of money.

I've been treated by the NHS for a skateboarding accident

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

Each groups choices lead to expensive costs for the nhs.

Except for smokers of course who actually fund a suplus of money.

I believe that the cost is supposed to be a deterrent? "

The government like to make us think that they are trying to deter smokers; but the reality is that they don't want smokers to quit, as they make so much tax out of it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Once again the sex drug poppers is to be made illegal (yet again) after the house of lords ruling..It has had a very rocky history..What are your thoughts on this new piece of legislation and drug laws in general?.."

Really? I don't think I have read anywhere that they are about to be banned, and April 1st seems suspicious.

You really would not want to partake unless you were sure you didn't have a heart condition. Even then, you could have issues.

The usual debates, I guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Each groups choices lead to expensive costs for the nhs.

Except for smokers of course who actually fund a suplus of money.

I believe that the cost is supposed to be a deterrent? "

Well you know how they changed road tax to vehical emissions duty to encourage cleaner cars and its worked too well so now they're changing it to the value of the car etc as the income dropped.

If everyone stops smoking there's a 3 billion or so tax deficit that will need to be raised.

As well as the 6 billion in nhd costs which wont be covered ( but will continue till all the ex smokers die) each year.

Then people will live longer and need more pension money ( the biggest welfare expense).

All in all people stopping smoking will be a financial disaster for the country

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By *olfcartweaselCouple
over a year ago

Melrose

As is usually the case with this government, it's a decision with zero health-based motivations, and entirely about legislating morality. See also: khat, extreme porn laws, criminalising sex work.

The only motivation is banning things plays well with middle-class 65+ housewives, i.e. the core Tory demographic.

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By *ittenandthepirateCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"How thoughtful maverick..

I suggest you stock up now with the diluted stuff that they currently sell...

Illegal...what a joke..can you imagine gay clubs and sauna's etc trying to police this once again

The law will make the sale or importation of them illegal. It'll still be legal to possess them though so clubs and saunas shouldn't need to police (unless someone is selling them there!).

Basically the law isn't criminalising casual users but making it hard to get hold of them so penalising them anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They stink and give you a headache, don't see the appeal anyway, ban em all lol!!!!

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"Could it be a potentially dangerous chemical being used in them that is getting the ban? "

It's far more quite likely that potentially dangerous chemicals will be being used in them once they are illegal.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan
over a year ago

Widnes

"As is usually the case with this government, it's a decision with zero health-based motivations, and entirely about legislating morality. See also: khat, extreme porn laws, criminalising sex work.

The only motivation is banning things plays well with middle-class 65+ housewives, i.e. the core Tory demographic."

I think the support for this action goes far beyond older ladies and middle class Tories unfortunately. In fact I would go so far as to say many of the people most likely to oppose this are middle class libertarian Tories. Maybe the reason why the opposition to this new rule has been so ineffective is because they've spent all there efforts fighting the wrong people.

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By *enard ArgenteMan
over a year ago

London and France

"Could it be a potentially dangerous chemical being used in them that is getting the ban?

It's far more quite likely that potentially dangerous chemicals will be being used in them once they are illegal. "

They are amyl nitrite ( or related nitrites): nitrites are dangerous chemicals; particularly if you are taking certain other prescription drugs, or have underlying medical conditions:that's the point.

Not that I care; if people want to stuff themselves with chemicals: go ahead.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just more members of society to be fined and criminalised by the system who are more disgusting and do more harm than all drugs put together!

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By *indobona_1TV/TS
over a year ago

Tring

If you didn't know already, the original 'poppers' were a small glass phial of amyl nitrate used as an emergency treatment of angina. The US gay community found they were useful as a muscle relaxant and (from personal experience) makes the user extremely horny for anal sex. The glass phial was opened by breaking the neck, hence the term poppers.

Certainly the late 80's poppers were a lot better and didn't give a headache like the modern get-around formulations do (well for me anyway). As such, I don't use them these days and I don't like aggressive people that expect (even force) a playmate to breathe them. These days, even more risky as who knows if a Viagra tab has been taken.

I'm glad that the MP was outspoken though I have the suspicion (despite the study that was agreed by the committee) that the ban on poppers will be enacted and I'm not sure that the majority of legislators understand what they are banning. Especially as they are sold as room odourisers! I'm not sure the short lived effects of poppers should be considered a legal high.

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By *xpanding our horizonsCouple
over a year ago

East Anglia

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By *vgloryholebs16 OP TV/TS
over a year ago

Bristol.

"How thoughtful maverick..

I suggest you stock up now with the diluted stuff that they currently sell...

Illegal...what a joke..can you imagine gay clubs and sauna's etc trying to police this once again

The law will make the sale or importation of them illegal. It'll still be legal to possess them though so clubs and saunas shouldn't need to police (unless someone is selling them there!).

Basically the law isn't criminalising casual users but making it hard to get hold of them so penalising them anyway. "

OK If it is illegal to purchase them,how do you possess them in the first place?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"April 1st are you sure its not a joke ?"

It's April the Fool lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only motivation is banning things plays well with middle-class 65+ housewives, i.e. the core Tory demographic."

Lol, the Tories are the gayest party going so they have the most to lose!

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

That's good as the amount of meets that tell me they are drug free, but still want to use poppers.

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

There not very good these days any way very weak

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By *abphilMan
over a year ago

sheffield

Lets be honest let the death penalty apply to the following users of dangerous substances that are health dangers;

Condoms you may have an alergy

Alcohol

Tobacco

Fatty foods

Cars

Factory workers who purposely inhale toxants

Oil workers

Chemical workers

Joiners, carpenters etc

Passive smokers

Egg eaters

Doctors

Nurses

Soldiers etc

I aplogise for the millions i have missed that put extra expense on the nhs etc

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"OK. Heard it on Radio 4 today BUT what do they do????"

Make your ass numb? Then it doesn't hurt as much when you get one up yer bum!

Or...for most people who seem to have commented here...give you a headache?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"the ones in the UK are shite anyway

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not like the 80s shit....

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By *ittenandthepirateCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

"How thoughtful maverick..

I suggest you stock up now with the diluted stuff that they currently sell...

Illegal...what a joke..can you imagine gay clubs and sauna's etc trying to police this once again

The law will make the sale or importation of them illegal. It'll still be legal to possess them though so clubs and saunas shouldn't need to police (unless someone is selling them there!).

Basically the law isn't criminalising casual users but making it hard to get hold of them so penalising them anyway.

OK If it is illegal to purchase them,how do you possess them in the first place?"

From gov.co.uk

"The bill will make it an offence to produce, supply, offer to supply, possess with intent to supply, import or export psychoactive substances..."

That says that selling or supplying is illegal. Selling and buying are too different acts. Yes, it'll make it practically impossible to possess them (what they want) but if there are black market sellers, the act of buying off them won't be illegal in itself. That's what the bill implies at least.

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By *ittenandthepirateCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

*two different acts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Easily available online from the EU and other places. Doubt it will make much difference.

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By *eMontresMan
over a year ago

Halesowen

"If you didn't know already, the original 'poppers' were a small glass phial of amyl nitrate used as an emergency treatment of angina.

Common mistake - they are all alkyl Nitrites, not Nitrates.

Yes the original Amyl Nitrite was/is the best.

Just because so many people get it wrong and call it Amyl Nitrate, does not make it correct.

Amyl Nitrate is an entirely different chemical and will kill you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sniffs like zoff lol

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By *irkby coupleCouple
over a year ago

Kirkby

We was in an adult store a few week ago and seen these, what are the supposed effects? The person in the shop couldn't really tell us much about them.

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

Need to source them from abroad really as even those currently on sale are nothing like as potent as they used to be before British law changed regarding the permitted formula

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By *MaleMan
over a year ago

I'll cope

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Amazing, Popper to be made illegal but is made a class c

Bloody re-dick

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you sniff them during foreplay/sex they turn you into a crazed sex monster. I love them.

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Easily available online from the EU and other places. Doubt it will make much difference."

Yeah but it will not be as easy from April 1st..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Easily available online from the EU and other places. Doubt it will make much difference.

Yeah but it will not be as easy from April 1st.."

How will it make any difference to orders from overseas?

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Easily available online from the EU and other places. Doubt it will make much difference.

Yeah but it will not be as easy from April 1st..

How will it make any difference to orders from overseas?"

I use a company from the EU & they have told me orders finish March 25th to the UK because of the ban

.don't know how others will react

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Might get some nice discounts in March then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well I've never purchased or used poppers so it doesn't affect me. I have very limited knowledge on the drug so don't know if it's actually a harmful drug or not when used long term.

I guess one could do what a member suggested in their post... Stock up

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By *lorious hole bs16Man
over a year ago

Bristol

"Might get some nice discounts in March then

That is what they have said..Never to be repeated offers until March. .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

as per this current gov attitude to anything is take away ban or forbidden

move the goal post,s so peope best we all stock up asap fuck um

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By *tasiaCouple
over a year ago

West Bromwich

Another U Turn by Government. Poppers will remain legal. http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/22/poppers-alkyl-nitrites-drug-escapes-ban-on-legal-highs

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By *isandreTV/TS
over a year ago

Durham

That is good news.

I don't always use them, but I like the choice.

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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago

North West

I guess one could do what a member suggested in their post... Stock up

Indeed. Did just that. Enough to last a lifetime now

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