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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I walked down Old Bond St this afternoon, the shops included Patek Phillipe, Bulgari, Hublot and Tiffanys. Non of your cheap and scruffy designer brand shops just luxery brand shops. I went into a pen shop the average fountain pen was £300.

I then walked down Oxford St, well l tried, it was jammed and the shops seemed stuffed.

It looks as if at both ends of the society's spectrum there are still people with money to burn.

Is Britain broke?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I walked down Old Bond St this afternoon, the shops included Patek Phillipe, Bulgari, Hublot and Tiffanys. Non of your cheap and scruffy designer brand shops just luxery brand shops. I went into a pen shop the average fountain pen was £300.

I then walked down Oxford St, well l tried, it was jammed and the shops seemed stuffed.

It looks as if at both ends of the society's spectrum there are still people with money to burn.

Is Britain broke?"

No the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. You know that pen that was £300 it was made by someone on minimum wage, was packed by someone on minimum wage, was delivered to shop by someone on minimum wage . And Guess what sold by someone on minimum wage

So the rich buy £300 pens

The workers , steal them from screw fix, Argos and the bank

The non workers , steal them from the job Centre

Britains not broke, and I am sure that very few people this year will not be going without at xmas.

It doesn't matter whether your rich or poor as long as you know someone loves you.

And I don't care if you have nothing for xmas, but if your lonely , I will

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The welfare bill went down despite there being more claimants, so that deficit has come from somewhere...food bank use has been on the rise, homelessness has risen - especially for children.

Can you see who losing out yet?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Although l believe in a welfare state and global responsibility l think it can be very easy to assume all wealth comes at the expense of the poor.

In terms of foreign workers many of the jobs overseas create work when there is no work and therefore create an income in low or no income countries. If a person has the money to spend on expensive items that person is a given work to the foreign worker.

In terms of the welfare state the lack of money in the welfare state is more political than caused by individual wealth creators and l don't count bankers or traders as wealth creators.

My point was that there seems to be a lot of people with money to burn not only on the luxury end but also on Oxford St in Debenhams,topshop etc.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So basically nothing to discuss except what you believe in? OK.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have to say i think britains in a right mess...i was talking to guy this morning abiut the struggle for small businesses to stay open.i live in cornwall ,away from major cities,my job involves going town to town,these towns are losing shops and businesses every week,being pushed out by big brands.i also went to a foodbank awareness gig the other night...says it all ...'FOODBANK'!!!...9000 families in my local area using it!!!!

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Although l believe in a welfare state and global responsibility l think it can be very easy to assume all wealth comes at the expense of the poor.

In terms of foreign workers many of the jobs overseas create work when there is no work and therefore create an income in low or no income countries. If a person has the money to spend on expensive items that person is a given work to the foreign worker.

In terms of the welfare state the lack of money in the welfare state is more political than caused by individual wealth creators and l don't count bankers or traders as wealth creators.

My point was that there seems to be a lot of people with money to burn not only on the luxury end but also on Oxford St in Debenhams,topshop etc.

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That's because you are in shops in the run up to Christmas, if you are looking for people with money to burn the best place to look is in shopping centres. You are basing your opinion on weighted evidence.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oxford Street mainly sells tat aimed at tourists and other than that just sells the same as every other high street in the UK and half the people there are tourists who think the shops are somehow different.

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By *ohnaronMan
over a year ago

london

Bond Street seems tawdry.

The Kudamm in Berlin is bursting with boutiques and every top end retailer you could dream of.

By comparison I would say London is broke.

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"My point was that there seems to be a lot of people with money to burn not only on the luxury end but also on Oxford St in Debenhams,topshop etc."

I walked down Oxford Street today and didn't buy anything

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By *i-shoptonMan
over a year ago

bishopton

Well said Ozzzz.... You talk a whole lot of sense.

S


"Although l believe in a welfare state and global responsibility l think it can be very easy to assume all wealth comes at the expense of the poor.

In terms of foreign workers many of the jobs overseas create work when there is no work and therefore create an income in low or no income countries. If a person has the money to spend on expensive items that person is a given work to the foreign worker.

In terms of the welfare state the lack of money in the welfare state is more political than caused by individual wealth creators and l don't count bankers or traders as wealth creators.

My point was that there seems to be a lot of people with money to burn not only on the luxury end but also on Oxford St in Debenhams,topshop etc.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

l was commenting as I was stunned in what is said to be cash strapped times firstly to find a road dedicated to conspicuous consupmption in London that made Knightsbridge look tatty and secondly Oxford St being packed. I was interested on views on this strange split between two tier Britain. I also welcome the other comments on what other people have seen and so far a lot of food for thought.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most of the people on Oxford Street are tourists, who have saved to have money to burn - and the rest are Xmas shopping at this time of year and are probably doing most of it on credit.

Madness!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mr and mrs average are still paying for last years xmas....and george osbornes austerity measures.....keep the rich wealthy make the poorest even poorer....hes a fuckin disgrace!!!

Vote cinservative ,is a vote for the wealthy!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Your right....there is such poverty out there and we are moaners but i think this is more about broke briton and the gulf between the rich and the poor.i absolutley agree,compaired with third world countries we have it good....but we are the 5th ric hest nation in our world ...yet still we have homeless people and people that rely on hand outs.lets face it there is enough cash amongst the worlds richest to wipe out debt and poverty but ......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

But people can up sticks and move here and make and go of it..move here with nothing and be successful..open a business and get on in life...you make your own luck.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk "

This is so true, we are one of the richest countries in the world, and we all want to be richer.

But there are other parts of the world where things are really shit. We complain about governments and taxes and benefit claimants, but there are millions of people without functioning governments, without welfare, without rule of law, and as said above no free health care, limited education and then no access to jobs or employment to better yourself.

Try living somewhere like Eastern Burma as a subsistence farmer, then have the Army turn up in your village one day. They'll burn your house down and plant landmines in your fields so you cant return, then they will take you and use you as forced labour, make you carry their equipment and supplies through the jungle, make you walk in the front of the column so if there are any landmines or booby traps, you'll be the one to lose a leg, not them. If you survive that, you might be then put to work building fences around other villages, so when the Army decide to come for them, they wont be able to escape.

Or you can just sit on your bum and think of yourself as hard done by because someone else has more money than sense and spends £300 on a pen.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"I walked down Old Bond St this afternoon, the shops included Patek Phillipe, Bulgari, Hublot and Tiffanys. Non of your cheap and scruffy designer brand shops just luxery brand shops. I went into a pen shop the average fountain pen was £300.

I then walked down Oxford St, well l tried, it was jammed and the shops seemed stuffed.

It looks as if at both ends of the society's spectrum there are still people with money to burn.

Is Britain broke?"

I don't think Britain was ever broke . Everything that you have in life has to be earned either by hard work or in a few cases from inheritances from families who have being successfull and make the decision to pass the wealth from generation to generation .

A lot of the goods to which you refer are possibly being purchased by foreign visitors .

When the so called poor can afford Sky TV and lots of take away meals we know that UK is not broke .

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Mr and mrs average are still paying for last years xmas....and george osbornes austerity measures.....keep the rich wealthy make the poorest even poorer....hes a fuckin disgrace!!!

Vote cinservative ,is a vote for the wealthy!!!"
. I think a Conservative vote has nothing to do with wealth. It is a belief that you are responsible for your actions in life and that everything which you have has to be earned .

Geoge Osbourne has done a great job if managing the economy and has ever abandoned some of his austerity measures due to the success of the economyin the last few months .

Only a fool borrows money to fund Xmas .

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"Your right....there is such poverty out there and we are moaners but i think this is more about broke briton and the gulf between the rich and the poor.i absolutley agree,compaired with third world countries we have it good....but we are the 5th ric hest nation in our world ...yet still we have homeless people and people that rely on hand outs.lets face it there is enough cash amongst the worlds richest to wipe out debt and poverty but ......"
. Maybe we need to investigate why these people and homeless and why they rely handouts . Why do they not have other family members who are. prepared to help them.? Have they claimed housing benefit , if not , why not ?.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I pretty much think we all borrow....your mortgage for instance,...some have to,even for xmas,i dont like to let my sons down.i dont begrudge those that have work hard for there money,but there is no doubt a massive gulf between up there and down here anf the poorer seem to suffer more.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"Your right....there is such poverty out there and we are moaners but i think this is more about broke briton and the gulf between the rich and the poor.i absolutley agree,compaired with third world countries we have it good....but we are the 5th ric hest nation in our world ...yet still we have homeless people and people that rely on hand outs.lets face it there is enough cash amongst the worlds richest to wipe out debt and poverty but ....... Maybe we need to investigate why these people and homeless and why they rely handouts . Why do they not have other family members who are. prepared to help them.? Have they claimed housing benefit , if not , why not ?. "

Some have mental health issues, some have left care at 16, some have lost everything for various reasons the list is endless. It would be comforting to believe that they are there because they choose not to do anything about it but the majority aren't.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Left care at 18 I mean.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

You walk down Oxford St and Bond St and notice that the shops have expensive goods in? That's like going to Mayfair and saying it's expensive to stay in a hotel, or that the Old Kent Road is a less desirable area than Park Lane

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By *andeCouple
over a year ago

Bognor area

it amazes me that the big coffee shop chains are opening in every town and are seemingly always busy - even in so called poor areas - also used to get quite annoyed with people getting their benefits and spending it all on fags and booze as they can go to local food bank to get free food to feed their kids - priorities are wrong in lots of cases

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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area


"I walked down Old Bond St this afternoon, the shops included Patek Phillipe, Bulgari, Hublot and Tiffanys. Non of your cheap and scruffy designer brand shops just luxery brand shops. I went into a pen shop the average fountain pen was £300.

I then walked down Oxford St, well l tried, it was jammed and the shops seemed stuffed.

It looks as if at both ends of the society's spectrum there are still people with money to burn.

Is Britain broke?"

I don't know about Britain but I'm not far off from being broke - certain would be if I was to shop in Old Bond Street!

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford


"I walked down Old Bond St this afternoon, the shops included Patek Phillipe, Bulgari, Hublot and Tiffanys. Non of your cheap and scruffy designer brand shops just luxery brand shops. I went into a pen shop the average fountain pen was £300.

I then walked down Oxford St, well l tried, it was jammed and the shops seemed stuffed.

It looks as if at both ends of the society's spectrum there are still people with money to burn.

Is Britain broke?

I don't think Britain was ever broke . Everything that you have in life has to be earned either by hard work or in a few cases from inheritances from families who have being successfull and make the decision to pass the wealth from generation to generation .

A lot of the goods to which you refer are possibly being purchased by foreign visitors .

When the so called poor can afford Sky TV and lots of take away meals we know that UK is not broke ."

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford

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over a year ago

Oxford

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By *ilthygorgeous1Couple
over a year ago

Oxford


"Mr and mrs average are still paying for last years xmas....and george osbornes austerity measures.....keep the rich wealthy make the poorest even poorer....hes a fuckin disgrace!!!

Vote cinservative ,is a vote for the wealthy!!!. I think a Conservative vote has nothing to do with wealth. It is a belief that you are responsible for your actions in life and that everything which you have has to be earned .

Geoge Osbourne has done a great job if managing the economy and has ever abandoned some of his austerity measures due to the success of the economyin the last few months .

Only a fool borrows money to fund Xmas . "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Your right....there is such poverty out there and we are moaners but i think this is more about broke briton and the gulf between the rich and the poor.i absolutley agree,compaired with third world countries we have it good....but we are the 5th ric hest nation in our world ...yet still we have homeless people and people that rely on hand outs.lets face it there is enough cash amongst the worlds richest to wipe out debt and poverty but ....... Maybe we need to investigate why these people and homeless and why they rely handouts . Why do they not have other family members who are. prepared to help them.? Have they claimed housing benefit , if not , why not ?. "

why does it need 'investigating'?..its perfectly obvious why a lot of homeless are there;as has been said, lots of the ytounger homeless have been in care, others are ill...some have been made redundant and lost their homes..and why wouold they be claiming housing benefit if they are homeless? thats just ridiculous!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk "

Actually i have been homeless, gone without food, had clothes given to me. There actually is real poverty in this country it's just been hidden well. I know someone who was paid nothing for over a year, they didn't drop dead though, they turned to crime to support themselves. Never got caught for it so there you go, they are not an official statistic but they exist.

How many people apply to live here and why? Can you show us some facts for this.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk

Actually i have been homeless, gone without food, had clothes given to me. There actually is real poverty in this country it's just been hidden well. I know someone who was paid nothing for over a year, they didn't drop dead though, they turned to crime to support themselves. Never got caught for it so there you go, they are not an official statistic but they exist.

How many people apply to live here and why? Can you show us some facts for this."
. You only have to look at the net migration figures . I think 450,000 came here last year and we have at least 10,000 so called asylum seekers . It can hardly be broke with all these people so anxious to live here .

It is just a a shame that no one is prepared to tackle the enormous financial problems that all these new residents cause .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk

Actually i have been homeless, gone without food, had clothes given to me. There actually is real poverty in this country it's just been hidden well. I know someone who was paid nothing for over a year, they didn't drop dead though, they turned to crime to support themselves. Never got caught for it so there you go, they are not an official statistic but they exist.

How many people apply to live here and why? Can you show us some facts for this.. You only have to look at the net migration figures . I think 450,000 came here last year and we have at least 10,000 so called asylum seekers . It can hardly be broke with all these people so anxious to live here .

It is just a a shame that no one is prepared to tackle the enormous financial problems that all these new residents cause . "

Why are they here? How many have come here and are paying for themselves? None have come here to claim benefits because that is not possible.

10,000 refugees are the only ones you can say came here for a better life, and i doubt they came here with a financial motive because refugees come here because their lives are in danger.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk

Actually i have been homeless, gone without food, had clothes given to me. There actually is real poverty in this country it's just been hidden well. I know someone who was paid nothing for over a year, they didn't drop dead though, they turned to crime to support themselves. Never got caught for it so there you go, they are not an official statistic but they exist.

How many people apply to live here and why? Can you show us some facts for this.. You only have to look at the net migration figures . I think 450,000 came here last year and we have at least 10,000 so called asylum seekers . It can hardly be broke with all these people so anxious to live here .

It is just a a shame that no one is prepared to tackle the enormous financial problems that all these new residents cause . "

i think if you look into it,its been widely shown that people coming here from elsewhere apply for considerably less benefits than the british in general....and im still confused as to how someone homeless can claim housing benefit?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and im still confused as to how someone homeless can claim housing benefit?..."

Homeless means you haven't got a permenant residence. So living in a b&b or hostel you are classed as homeless, as well as living on the street. Only those with no residence at all wouldn't be able to claim housing benefits as they have no rent to pay.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means.Go to a third world country and go off of the beaten track...then you will see what it means to be poor.A place with no free health care,no state benefits no education...people moan and groan about this country...yes there are people who have more money than others,always have and always will be...if it's that bad here..the door is open for people to leave and go live in a country like Germany...if the grass is greener..mmmm I wonder why thousands and thousands of people want to come and live here...roll up,roll up come and live in Briton and be poor...Get real folk

Actually i have been homeless, gone without food, had clothes given to me. There actually is real poverty in this country it's just been hidden well. I know someone who was paid nothing for over a year, they didn't drop dead though, they turned to crime to support themselves. Never got caught for it so there you go, they are not an official statistic but they exist.

How many people apply to live here and why? Can you show us some facts for this.. You only have to look at the net migration figures . I think 450,000 came here last year and we have at least 10,000 so called asylum seekers . It can hardly be broke with all these people so anxious to live here .

It is just a a shame that no one is prepared to tackle the enormous financial problems that all these new residents cause . "

I think perhaps that asylum seekers may be rather keen to live anywhere that they are not in fear of their lives.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and im still confused as to how someone homeless can claim housing benefit?...

Homeless means you haven't got a permenant residence. So living in a b&b or hostel you are classed as homeless, as well as living on the street. Only those with no residence at all wouldn't be able to claim housing benefits as they have no rent to pay."

yes,i realise that, i was just questioning the person who asked why the homelss weren't claiming housing benefit..though it would wasted breath anyway as theyve obviously decided people are homeless through their own failings, and there's no money to help as those darn immigrants have used it all up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"and im still confused as to how someone homeless can claim housing benefit?...

Homeless means you haven't got a permenant residence. So living in a b&b or hostel you are classed as homeless, as well as living on the street. Only those with no residence at all wouldn't be able to claim housing benefits as they have no rent to pay.

yes,i realise that, i was just questioning the person who asked why the homelss weren't claiming housing benefit..though it would wasted breath anyway as theyve obviously decided people are homeless through their own failings, and there's no money to help as those darn immigrants have used it all up!"

oh ok, ignore me then. tbh i think i have got brain damage from reading this topic.

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By *laction manMan
over a year ago

Nottingham

WARNING - Unpopular opinion

It's interesting when people complain about Britain being broke when almost everyone I know who is on benefits has a Plasma TV, or a 13+ plate car. I see guys in the city on the dole but they will always have enough money for cider and . Parents earn so much on benefits that they would actually earn less working full/part time. So what do they do? Stay home and have more kids, thus continuing the cycle, end state; parents with 6 kids on benefits and living in a 5 bedroom house. Can anyone say 'welfare state'?

Also even more unpopular, it's easy to villainise the rich and blame them however when someone has trained for 8-12 years to go into a specialty field only to be faced with progressive taxation to pay for someone else's benefits, you can imagine their frustration.

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By *at69driveMan
over a year ago

Hertford


"WARNING - Unpopular opinion

It's interesting when people complain about Britain being broke when almost everyone I know who is on benefits has a Plasma TV, or a 13+ plate car. I see guys in the city on the dole but they will always have enough money for cider and . Parents earn so much on benefits that they would actually earn less working full/part time. So what do they do? Stay home and have more kids, thus continuing the cycle, end state; parents with 6 kids on benefits and living in a 5 bedroom house. Can anyone say 'welfare state'?

Also even more unpopular, it's easy to villainise the rich and blame them however when someone has trained for 8-12 years to go into a specialty field only to be faced with progressive taxation to pay for someone else's benefits, you can imagine their frustration. "
. I would not say yours is an unpopular opinion , it is what a lot of people think but are too scared to say it. Everything that you have in life has to be paid for , though those on welfare with loads of children and the latest plasma TV fail to appreciate that..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"WARNING - Unpopular opinion

It's interesting when people complain about Britain being broke when almost everyone I know who is on benefits has a Plasma TV, or a 13+ plate car. I see guys in the city on the dole but they will always have enough money for cider and . Parents earn so much on benefits that they would actually earn less working full/part time. So what do they do? Stay home and have more kids, thus continuing the cycle, end state; parents with 6 kids on benefits and living in a 5 bedroom house. Can anyone say 'welfare state'?

Also even more unpopular, it's easy to villainise the rich and blame them however when someone has trained for 8-12 years to go into a specialty field only to be faced with progressive taxation to pay for someone else's benefits, you can imagine their frustration. "

couldn't agree more

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"it amazes me that the big coffee shop chains are opening in every town and are seemingly always busy - even in so called poor areas - also used to get quite annoyed with people getting their benefits and spending it all on fags and booze as they can go to local food bank to get free food to feed their kids - priorities are wrong in lots of cases"

You know you need a voucher from social services or some other agency to go to a food bank and then you can only use it twice in six months right?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

last week, in response to what happened in paris, Ca-moron said he wanted 10,000 troops on the streets of the UK. with 9,000 of britains rough sleepers being ex-servicemen the idiot is actually in danger of living up to one of his promises

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By *inky-MinxWoman
over a year ago

Grantham


"No one living in this country knows what the true meaning of the word poor means."

Exactly

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

For the record I don't know

What is the minimum amount of money per week a UK citizen over 21 can have as benifits ?

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By *ummersun99Woman
over a year ago

North Yorkshire by the Sea

Lots of low paid workers on minimum wage, with little or no perks, single status not entitled to anything and have to manage with high rents, etc. It's as easy to villanise the poor as it is the rich. Neither should be blamed, but you can't have one without the other. Realistic and fair policy for economic rejuvenation is the ideal, but that is far from what's happening and that's why Everyones complaining on all sides. I just wish the majority would stop blaming each other and get more involved in providing alternatives to the poor excuse for politicians we have making decisions.

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