FabSwingers.com forum: bareback

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A couple of guys I've been interested in meeting, have had veris from women who demand bareback or nothing at all. I know that many people dont advertise if they have had unsafe sex. But veris from these women have really put me off. I always play safe and get checked regularly. Suppose I must be stupid to think others would want to be safe too. ??? I really don't understand the attraction of contacting AIDS, HIV OR STD's??? Obviously its different once in a committed relationship or marriage . Am I the only one thinking bareback with strangers dangerous???

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I should clarify what I mean by it being different when married or in a relationship. I mean trust and having sex without protection. X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are the same, your health should be more important than sex.

Maybes we have it wrong to

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"A couple of guys I've been interested in meeting, have had veris from women who demand bareback or nothing at all. I know that many people dont advertise if they have had unsafe sex. But veris from these women have really put me off. I always play safe and get checked regularly. Suppose I must be stupid to think others would want to be safe too. ??? I really don't understand the attraction of contacting AIDS, HIV OR STD's??? Obviously its different once in a committed relationship or marriage . Am I the only one thinking bareback with strangers dangerous???"

No you aren't. At least these people haven't hidden the fact so you're forewarned. The real danger is when it's hidden and personally I think we should encourage people to state that they enjoy bareback sex.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"We are the same, your health should be more important than sex.

Maybes we have it wrong to

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I also feel I should point out that having bareback sex (I assume you mean penetration) isn't the only way of contracting SITs nor does it absolutely guarantee that you will get one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Yes very true. I obviously understand the appeal of it feeling better, but fail to understand how contracting allsorts is worth it? X

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I also feel I should point out that having bareback sex (I assume you mean penetration) isn't the only way of contracting SITs nor does it absolutely guarantee that you will get one."

You don't need to point that out to me, I play safe all ways. But perhaps others don't realise x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I also feel I should point out that having bareback sex (I assume you mean penetration) isn't the only way of contracting SITs nor does it absolutely guarantee that you will get one.

You don't need to point that out to me, I play safe all ways. But perhaps others don't realise x "
....NO NO NO BAREBACK YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT ??????.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x"

I agree with that!! I only knew because I checked the profile of a veri. Just makes me think do the people going bareback get tested regularly? Or are they happy just to spread AIDS, HIV and STDs with everyone ??

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I also feel I should point out that having bareback sex (I assume you mean penetration) isn't the only way of contracting SITs nor does it absolutely guarantee that you will get one.

You don't need to point that out to me, I play safe all ways. But perhaps others don't realise x "

The level of ignorance about how sexual disease is contracted is shocking I agree. Lots of people assume condoms offer 100% protection and that unprotected oral is safe.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here. "

Please may I ask for you to expand ? Thanks x

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By *i1971Man
over a year ago

Cornwall

Always practice safer sex. Wouldn't contemplate anything elses

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I also feel I should point out that having bareback sex (I assume you mean penetration) isn't the only way of contracting SITs nor does it absolutely guarantee that you will get one.

You don't need to point that out to me, I play safe all ways. But perhaps others don't realise x

The level of ignorance about how sexual disease is contracted is shocking I agree. Lots of people assume condoms offer 100% protection and that unprotected oral is safe."

Exactly how many go bare for oral and judge those who enjoy bareback double standards come to mind just worry about your own sexual health and stop worrying about other people x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I also feel I should point out that having bareback sex (I assume you mean penetration) isn't the only way of contracting SITs nor does it absolutely guarantee that you will get one.

You don't need to point that out to me, I play safe all ways. But perhaps others don't realise x

The level of ignorance about how sexual disease is contracted is shocking I agree. Lots of people assume condoms offer 100% protection and that unprotected oral is safe.

Exactly how many go bare for oral and judge those who enjoy bareback double standards come to mind just worry about your own sexual health and stop worrying about other people x"

I was worrying about my own sexual health, that was the subject of the thread. I decided not to meet because of someone's blatant disregard for safe sex.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Always practice safer sex. Wouldn't contemplate anything elses"

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Please may I ask for you to expand ? Thanks x "

You say "are they happy just to spread AIDS, HIV, and STDs with everyone ". They won't all have one or all of these things, when I said that earlier you agreed with me.

I think bareback penetrative sex with anyone other than a long term partner is inadvisable but I also think that statements like that stop people from being open about it and actually increase the risk to people who do practice safer sex.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here. "

Exactly, 2 clean people barebacking does not automatically and spontaneously create HIV, AIDS or an STD.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Exactly, 2 clean people barebacking does not automatically and spontaneously create HIV, AIDS or an STD. "

And I made that point!! If you read????!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Please may I ask for you to expand ? Thanks x

You say "are they happy just to spread AIDS, HIV, and STDs with everyone ". They won't all have one or all of these things, when I said that earlier you agreed with me.

To clarify, I mean those having bareback with numerous people without being tested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Herpes, syphilis and gonerreah not sure how you spell it are more common in oral than bareback but a lot more people take that risk x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Herpes, syphilis and gonerreah not sure how you spell it are more common in oral than bareback but a lot more people take that risk x"

I agree

hence why I've states I practice safe sex in ALL ways. Hoping you are pointing this out for perhaps readers that aren't aware of that face. Rather that having q dig? As I have states safe sex all the way x

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Please may I ask for you to expand ? Thanks x

You say "are they happy just to spread AIDS, HIV, and STDs with everyone ". They won't all have one or all of these things, when I said that earlier you agreed with me.

To clarify, I mean those having bareback with numerous people without being tested."

I think most of us would agree that's a risky practice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Please may I ask for you to expand ? Thanks x

You say "are they happy just to spread AIDS, HIV, and STDs with everyone ". They won't all have one or all of these things, when I said that earlier you agreed with me.

To clarify, I mean those having bareback with numerous people without being tested."

How do you know they aren't regularly tested ?

Lots of barebackers get tested way more than the play safe brigade .

We assess the risks and get tested every six weeks . We use condoms for penetration with those we meet , but dont for oral with others .

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Herpes, syphilis and gonerreah not sure how you spell it are more common in oral than bareback but a lot more people take that risk x

I agree

Fact not face!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

" I think we should encourage people to state that they enjoy bareback sex.

9.9/10 swingers enjoy bareback sex and prefer it, all other things being equal! Whether we practise it with swinging partners is another matter...

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

" I think we should encourage people to state that they enjoy bareback sex.

9.9/10 swingers enjoy bareback sex and prefer it, all other things being equal! Whether we practise it with swinging partners is another matter..."

Yes, I should have said practice.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

What puzzles me is that you get to the point of being interested enough to meet these guys and then their veris put you off? If this is a big issue for you why bother getting to the point of interest? Just curious.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Please may I ask for you to expand ? Thanks x

You say "are they happy just to spread AIDS, HIV, and STDs with everyone ". They won't all have one or all of these things, when I said that earlier you agreed with me.

To clarify, I mean those having bareback with numerous people without being tested.

How do you know they aren't regularly tested ?

Lots of barebackers get tested way more than the play safe brigade .

We assess the risks and get tested every six weeks . We use condoms for penetration with those we meet , but dont for oral with others .

Sorry, I didn't realise playing safe put me in a brigade. But ok, play safe brigade it is then. Everyone is free to make their own choices, as we are all free to voice our own opinions. I was simply trying to understand why people are happy to run the risk. I guess the reasons are different for each person. Happy fabbing everyone, I've appreciates and enjoyed reading everyone's opinions x

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By *onyneMan
over a year ago

Newcastle

Please please please let nobody talk of haribo or 'pulling up a chair'...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Herpes, syphilis and gonerreah not sure how you spell it are more common in oral than bareback but a lot more people take that risk x

I agree

Totally behind you and big up to you too. Just stating a fact x

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By *issy NickersWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

I've been on the swinging scene over 4 years and been tested for STDs and bloods (HIV & Syphilis) regularly and not contracted anything. I have found the vanilla lifestyle less careful and swingers who don't get tested. We all have to manage our sexual health and frankly when I see bareback pics on here (yes your ex gf) then I'll steer well clear. I'm not perfect and have barebacked but I was foolish and got away with it. I haven't barebacked without trust we both got checked. I guess we're never all safe and thrush isn't an STD and neither is Cystitis which I've got from too much sex

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I've been on the swinging scene over 4 years and been tested for STDs and bloods (HIV & Syphilis) regularly and not contracted anything. I have found the vanilla lifestyle less careful and swingers who don't get tested. We all have to manage our sexual health and frankly when I see bareback pics on here (yes your ex gf) then I'll steer well clear. I'm not perfect and have barebacked but I was foolish and got away with it. I haven't barebacked without trust we both got checked. I guess we're never all safe and thrush isn't an STD and neither is Cystitis which I've got from too much sex

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The only safe sex is no sex and where would we be without it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!"

I was asking you?!

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

ah, the bareback thread; one of my favs

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The only safe sex is no sex and where would we be without it x"

Haha very true! My grandma used to tell me to keep my hand on my hapenny lol x

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"The only safe sex is no sex and where would we be without it x"

We wouldn't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The only safe sex is no sex and where would we be without it x

We wouldn't

Just a twinkle in the sky x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!"

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"The only safe sex is no sex and where would we be without it x

We wouldn't

Just a twinkle in the sky x"

Just a twinkle in my daddies eye

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By *ithardscotMan
over a year ago

Kelty

I agree. If you don't really know someone well why would you take the chance?

No glove no love is the best rule.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love the thought of bareback but I must say it does scare me slightly just thinking what you could catch

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I agree. If you don't really know someone well why would you take the chance?

No glove no love is the best rule."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The brigade comment wasn't meant as an insult , but hey , it's all good .

It really is up to each and every individual on here to do whatever they feel is best for them .

We always assume everyone we play with may have played bb , hence getting checked as often as we are .

In four years of very active play , we have been lucky and have never had a problem .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx "

But the op also said was interested in meeting them....wouldn't the op have read the veris prior to deciding that if it's such a factor?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx

But the op also said was interested in meeting them....wouldn't the op have read the veris prior to deciding that if it's such a factor?"

But what if veris are hidden x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx

But the op also said was interested in meeting them....wouldn't the op have read the veris prior to deciding that if it's such a factor?"

Erm! Yes!! I was reading them then decided not to???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Yep. This. Everyone knows it's only the bi guys who have nasties.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx

But the op also said was interested in meeting them....wouldn't the op have read the veris prior to deciding that if it's such a factor?

Erm! Yes!! I was reading them then decided not to??? "

Ah then i misunderstood. I don't decide I'm interested in meeting someone until I've chatted for a while. My mistake i assumed some contact with them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx

But the op also said was interested in meeting them....wouldn't the op have read the veris prior to deciding that if it's such a factor?

But what if veris are hidden x"

Very good point. I wouldn't have worried. Instill would have put into place condoms and dental dam. But great point, if the veri had been hidden I prob would have met the guy, apposed to the other guy i was put off by. Perhaps I was making an opinion on that persons personality as well as their consciousness of their own sexual health x judging before even meeting them. Good point xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Wise words , was gonna ask if you fancied a bum , but noticed you are straight . You can't imagine how dissapointment I am now

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Yep. This. Everyone knows it's only the bi guys who have nasties. "

The nastiest of nastys..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx "

"Low risk group".....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Please please please let nobody talk of haribo or 'pulling up a chair'...

Did someone mention hari....

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Wise words , was gonna ask if you fancied a bum , but noticed you are straight . You can't imagine how dissapointment I am now

Sorry! Came out as straight last week!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Low risk group = encased in a full body condom; twice

Everyone else is high risk

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Exactly, 2 clean people barebacking does not automatically and spontaneously create HIV, AIDS or an STD.

And I made that point!! If you read????!!!"

Sorry I have read the whole thread and I can't see where you did.

You have mentioned about people getting together in a LTR and stopping, but not about them getting tested first, or about 2 (or more

) clean swingers playing and not creating, catching or passing anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No you aren't the only one. You should do what's right for you.

And you should let others do what is right for them.

Really good question. I think I may be as curious as you!

Ummm I thought the answer was containing in the opening post but maybe I misunderstood!

What I thought I read was:

- the OP consider them self in a low risk group of STDs

- the OP wants to swing with other people considered low risk

- some people gave the impression of being low risk but had veris that indicated they were actually in a higher risk group

- this concerns the OP because they are wondering how widespread and common this is

Wasn't that it? Sounds pretty reasonable if I haven't gotten the wrong end of the stick

Yay you grabbed the right end xx

But the op also said was interested in meeting them....wouldn't the op have read the veris prior to deciding that if it's such a factor?

Erm! Yes!! I was reading them then decided not to??? "

Right then to answer the question, it's a lot more common than you want to know, two main reasons -

1) people lie to get what they want (but there are ways around that problem)

2) bareback feels better and sexual arousal has a way of reducing rational / long term thinking. So someone might even agree that 'safe' sex is better but not act upon that belief in the heat of the moment.

Isn't the real question whether they have an STD rather than whether they even go bareback? We wouldn't swing with someone who just got back from a bareback gangbang and equally we wouldn't swing with a couple who just fucked 80 couples at Cap D'Age but with magical condoms. We might swing with someone who plays a mixture of 'safe' and bareback but gets tested regularly and is happy to show us the results - que stupid responses about clinics that don't give results in that way, not our problem, find one that does.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done. "

Exactly, it doesn't matter what someone's sexual history is, if you're not treating ALL of your play mates like they're HIV+ then you only have yourself to blame I'm afraid. Want safe sex? Don't have sex.

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over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Wise words , was gonna ask if you fancied a bum , but noticed you are straight . You can't imagine how dissapointment I am now

Sorry! Came out as straight last week!!

Oh well , the search continues ....

Do you realise how difficult it is for a straight guy on here ?

Mind you with your profile I should imagine you are relishing your new found straightness with an inbox full of potential meets

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

You can't spread AIDS...only HIV, which develops into AIDS.

Whilst I do advocate safe sex, I also think people tend to exaggerate the prevalence and transmission rates of STIs. Let's try and stay grounded in the evidence...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Low risk group = encased in a full body condom; twice

Everyone else is high risk"

Would that be both or just one of you?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Yep. This. Everyone knows it's only the bi guys who have nasties. "

Someone once told us "I don't need to get tested because I only swing with couples" - true story

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You can't spread AIDS...only HIV, which develops into AIDS.

Whilst I do advocate safe sex, I also think people tend to exaggerate the prevalence and transmission rates of STIs. Let's try and stay grounded in the evidence..."

Someone's going to mention Russian roulette soon.. ..i just know it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"if they're straight guys i wouldn't worry about it to much..

Wise words , was gonna ask if you fancied a bum , but noticed you are straight . You can't imagine how dissapointment I am now

Sorry! Came out as straight last week!!

Oh well , the search continues ....

Do you realise how difficult it is for a straight guy on here ?

Mind you with your profile I should imagine you are relishing your new found straightness with an inbox full of potential meets

you know im a big fan of octogenarians.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's try and stay grounded in the evidence..."

Someone's feeling optimistic today

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By *annooWoman
over a year ago

Hastings

Condom is a must

I dnt give oral

Don't do anal

And I dnt expect a guy to go den on me

Get tested often

As best as I can protect myself as I possibly can

I think these posts should be addressed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gay related immune deficiency x GRID x

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Low risk group = encased in a full body condom; twice

Everyone else is high risk

Would that be both or just one of you?"

Not just both, but everyone in the gangbang

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Want safe sex? Don't have sex."

Abstention isn't the same thing as sex! If it was then my teenage years would have been awesome

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Big up for them for disclosing it many would hide it x

You're making a huge and incorrect assumption here.

Exactly, 2 clean people barebacking does not automatically and spontaneously create HIV, AIDS or an STD.

And I made that point!! If you read????!!!

Sorry I have read the whole thread and I can't see where you did.

You have mentioned about people getting together in a LTR and stopping, but not about them getting tested first, or about 2 (or more

) clean swingers playing and not creating, catching or passing anything."

Ok clarify Ltr or marriages where both have been tested before having sex without protection. But of course there may always be that risk of the other person playing away and them not being safe. I was just confused by those willing to have sex with anyone bareback, actually demanding it x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Let's try and stay grounded in the evidence...

Someone's feeling optimistic today"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Condom is a must

I dnt give oral

Don't do anal

And I dnt expect a guy to go den on me

Get tested often

As best as I can protect myself as I possibly can

I think these posts should be addressed "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol."

And win a prize x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Want safe sex? Don't have sex.

Abstention isn't the same thing as sex! If it was then my teenage years would have been awesome"

You got me!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol.

And win a prize x"
Yes, some haribos

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol.

And win a prize xYes, some haribos

You may get tangtastics lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol."

Thanks shag.....knew i could count on you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol.

And win a prize xYes, some haribos

You may get tangtastics lol x"
Yes, them tangtastics are a good price too mmmmm lol x.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

To be fair, I dumped my load inside some lucky bitch last night, it was fackin' lovely! I can see why people do it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It is like Russian roulette, just spin the wheel lol.

Thanks shag.....knew i could count on you

"
lol yes and yw there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Want safe sex? Don't have sex.

Abstention isn't the same thing as sex! If it was then my teenage years would have been awesome

You got me!

I was the cool kid at school because I did't even have enough fingers to count all the ... years I'd been trying to get laid...

Sigh. Model trains help though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hell No, bareback? Hellll nnoooo

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Want safe sex? Don't have sex.

Abstention isn't the same thing as sex! If it was then my teenage years would have been awesome

You got me!

I was the cool kid at school because I did't even have enough fingers to count all the ... years I'd been trying to get laid...

Sigh. Model trains help though. "

obviously i had an HS125, but i also had a class 47 locomotive "railriders"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Ok maybe we should call and and to this thread, apparently (from a personal message) I'm a hypocrite because I attend swingers clubs. ???? I'm saying I only want safe sex ,please, how am I a hypocrite?? And also apparently (according to the same delightful personal message) black, gay and bisexual people are the reason Hiv is spread ??!!! Hmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Hell No, bareback? Hellll nnoooo"

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Would you rather play with someone bareback who has slept with 20 other people bareback is is actually STD free, or use a condom with someone who has only had sex once, but they are actually HIV+ already?

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

looking for a bareback gangbang with married bi men

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Another great point! I think it does come down to making judgements about a person as well as thinking about our own sexual health. It's nice for a constructive comment like the majority of the comments in this thread. Shame about the abusive personal messages I have received from people not bold enough to voice their opinion on a public forum. Instead send abusive messages to a girl who has stated she would always have safe sex??

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over a year ago

"And also apparently (according to the same delightful personal message) black, gay and bisexual people are the reason Hiv is spread ??!!! Hmmmmm"

Thank fuck for that, I thought it was just the dirty bisexuals that had it but now I realise you have to be bisexual and black - wow some many new opportunities...

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"looking for a bareback gangbang with married bi men"

You've made me giggle. I love a bit or sarcastic humour x just cos its a sensible thread doesn't mean I'm a boring fucker without a sense of humour!

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

The unwritten rules of fab are that single men get publicly abused on the forums and single women get privately abused on PM

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

The unwritten rules of fab are that single men get publicly abused on the forums and single women get privately abused on PM "

Ahh makes perfect sense now!

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?"

It's not a silly question. Because both scenarios could happen and are not unrealistic. But if you wish, lets just concentrate on the second example. Someone you are attracted to, wants to play with you, says to you, I'm HIV+. Would you play with them with a condom?

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

I think there was some sarcasm that got missed along the way

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

Its easy for me to say no because I'm obviously not here to meet anyone. However if it was a woman I would. She's have to be pretty f'in special though! In fact, just for a fuck? No. If i felt like there was a relationship to be had, then yes.

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

I agree with above. For a fuck I would say no, but they could easily hold that information from me which is why I always use a condom . Its that personal judgement again x

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

The unwritten rules of fab are that single men get publicly abused on the forums and single women get privately abused on PM

Ahh makes perfect sense now!

A public lynch mob is fun for the whole family and who better to target than the endless supply of single men hoping to get laid. It's something most people can enjoy when they get caught up in the moment.

But there are some more disturbed people that think other people really care about their opinions. They prefer PM because the indifference shown towards them on a forum would create, what we call in the industry: 'cognitive dissonance'.

Learn to love filters and that all important block button. Develop a stiff upper lip and I ain't talking about the ones between your hips.

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

The unwritten rules of fab are that single men get publicly abused on the forums and single women get privately abused on PM "

Truer words were never spoken.

-Courtney

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

I agree with above. For a fuck I would say no, but they could easily hold that information from me which is why I always use a condom . Its that personal judgement again x"

We won't meet anyone if any of their veri's read or suggest any bareback playing. If they want to risk their health that's their choice. But it's my choice to protect mine. X

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

The unwritten rules of fab are that single men get publicly abused on the forums and single women get privately abused on PM

Ahh makes perfect sense now!

Learn to love filters and that all important block button. Develop a stiff upper lip and I ain't talking about the ones between your hips. "

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over a year ago

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over a year ago

Cambridge

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over a year ago

"Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

I agree with above. For a fuck I would say no, but they could easily hold that information from me which is why I always use a condom . Its that personal judgement again x

So you say you wouldn't fuck them, which is fine, I would make the same personal choice myself. But if you wouldn't fuck someone with HIV with a condom, then you can't really say if you're not treating ALL of your play mates like they're HIV+ then you only have yourself to blame I'm afraid. Want safe sex? Don't have sex. can you? "

Like i said, its that personal judgement that we make. I probably would be judgemental of someone with hiv, but as you say, we use condoms to prevent contracting hiv amongst other things. Really difficult one.

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

Anyhow. I always assume the worse you're never going to know someone's entire sexual history so i do what i can to protect me and don't worry what others may or may not have done.

But not everyone is HIV+

I agree that its not their sexual history that is the most important part, the important part is their sexual health.

Silly question, you'll never know, so why take the risk?

I agree with above. For a fuck I would say no, but they could easily hold that information from me which is why I always use a condom . Its that personal judgement again x

So you say you wouldn't fuck them, which is fine, I would make the same personal choice myself. But if you wouldn't fuck someone with HIV with a condom, then you can't really say
" if you're not treating ALL of your play mates like they're HIV+ then you only have yourself to blame I'm afraid. Want safe sex?Don't have sex."
can you? Because you would never have any play partners.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well that escalated quickly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well that escalated quickly

It's the nature of the beast.

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well that escalated quickly

Haha you're telling me! Well i don't think I have any more safe sex talk in me. Good night all. Happy fabbing. And if you cant be good, be careful (or not depending on your preference) xx

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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago

Cambridge

I agree, it's personal judgement, people should only play how they feel comfortable, with people they are comfortable with.

I just wanted to point out, that I find the above (and simplified below) argument/thought process, illogical.

Assume everyone has HIV wear a condom to prevent transmission. However if someone Actually has HIV dont play with them at all.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bareback on some meets (not all of them want to) im quite happy to take the risk. I get tested every six weeks. Never had anything, so im not spreading anything around to anyone. Its my choice to do what I do and Im aware of the risks it carries. I don't know why what other people do are such a concern to others.

I also don't feel the need to display it on my profile as what I choose to do with meets is not really anyone else's concern

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"To be fair, I dumped my load inside some lucky bitch last night, it was fackin' lovely! I can see why people do it.

I just dumped my load in some very lucky slut too , not more than 5 minutes ago , while she slept . Well at least she was sleeping anyway - that soon woke her up .

Just dipped my cock in domestos , and am enjoying the after sex cigarette as I write .

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over a year ago

"To be fair, I dumped my load inside some lucky bitch last night, it was fackin' lovely! I can see why people do it.

I just dumped my load in some very lucky slut too , not more than 5 minutes ago , while she slept . Well at least she was sleeping anyway - that soon woke her up .

Just dipped my cock in domestos , and am enjoying the after sex cigarette as I write .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We bought some mulled wine flavour bleach. It's not bad. Better warmed up obviously.

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By *ivnwcplCouple
over a year ago

liverpool

Very dangerous these day's, and don't believe the usual rubbish about how they are clean and have regular checks

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over a year ago

"We bought some mulled wine flavour bleach. It's not bad. Better warmed up obviously."

I found it needed more cinnamon....

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

We have always played safer with other people since we started swinging but in our youth neither of us did, lots of women were on the pill and bare back was accepted as normal unless you used condoms to prevent pregnancy.

What surprised us when we began having sex with other people was witnessing a gang bang without a condom in sight, the single men who don't even consider condoms until you mention them and the misinformation surrounding sexual health. I think it's best to assume that unprotected penetration is much more common than it would appear and work out the best way for you to feel as safe as possible because I bet even some people who proclaim long and loud that they always use condoms and get regularly tested are lying (present company excepted of course) it's human nature.

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By *aneSmith5TV/TS
over a year ago

Eastbourne

My health is more important than short term pleasure.

I have walked away from a few meetings where couples / singles wanted BB sex.

If members want BB sex than please tell us before a meeting.

Just my views

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By *razedcatMan
over a year ago

London / Herts

When you cross a road, board a plane, or eat that slightly old coleslaw you found at the back of the fridge, you are making a judgement call. You have weighed up the pros and cons of your actions, and have decided accordingly.

Deciding to bareback is the same. Most of us in this part of the world have been blessed with the ability to make such choices, and no one else, bar your sexual partner, should have any say in your decision.

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