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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fmf ffm mfm all good

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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago

Bristol

Me and two other people. That's my favourite threesome.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Both mmf and ffm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

Egg, chips and beans!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I organised a threesome last night, was really good considering two of them didn't turn up!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm going to be the seriously one here (as usual). My preferred is bi mmf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MFF obviously but want to try MFFF next . .lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

still yet to have one!

, will let you know when i find out

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By *ungBlackTopMan
over a year ago

salford

LOL Ligeia. good one

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By *imply_SensualMan
over a year ago

warrington

Have been lucky to experience MFF on a few occasions when I was younger - definitely my favourite - lay on my back and both females sat astride me, awesome!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Haven't had one yet, would love to try one

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Guess

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MFM. Love it .

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

MMMMMFF was one of my best experiences. But MMMMF, MMMF, MMF and MFF are all good! (All with straight Ms)

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Great answer xx

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By *unkydesignCouple
over a year ago

Manchester

FFM for us every time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I was 2 females away from a 3some last night. So close, yet so far .......

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Oh noooo lol we would have xx

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By *iamondjoeMan
over a year ago

Glastonbury

"Me and two other people. That's my favourite threesome."

Aye

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF with a couple of bi guys

I love sharing a cock with another guy

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

the full bi option is absolutely the best xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Guess

Tricky one

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

ermmmm xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hopefully find out what a mfm is like in a couple weeks time!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"
mff but havnt had one yet loads of mmf though xx

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By *ohnkezCouple
over a year ago

shefiield

FFF but don't mind a FFM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Fmf ffm mfm all good

Foursomes are better!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

Tends to go cold quickly. Like women's reactions to my posts

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

only if all 4 are bi for us xx

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By *andb69Couple
over a year ago

leeds

"I was 2 females away from a 3some last night. So close, yet so far .......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would love a FFM, but you know...pigs will probably fly sooner.

Ah well.

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By *ork6out7Man
over a year ago

london

MFM is good as I have dun it but nothing beat FFM that coming from my experiences trust me it crazy wen u watch a woman unlock each water falls

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By *om and JennieCouple
over a year ago

Chams or Socials

"still yet to have one!

, will let you know when i find out

Same here!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Loved my wife being fucked by another man as I watched then joined

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

Me, a lady 69-ing with me and a bi guy fucking her

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

mmf love them but mfm is pretty goos too.

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By *istressZoeTV/TS
over a year ago

cheshire

Dom female - Sub TV - me x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love mff but would like to try for the first time mmf

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Loved my wife being fucked by another man as I watched then joined "

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Loved my wife being fucked by another man as I watched then joined

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a mega fantasy

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By *histler21Man
over a year ago

Ipswich

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

(Almost) anything with me involved I guess...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mine is bi mmf

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By *usterMan
over a year ago

worthing

9 people - that's 3 threesomes in one sitting

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 16/09/15 22:10:56]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Both mmf and ffm "
mine to need to sort out been so long

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Me, a lady 69-ing with me and a bi guy fucking her

His cock slipping out of her and into your mouth?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I prefer FFFFF........ hummmmm wait a minute lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

At this moment any combination would be welcome

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me , a bi man and a tgirl

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Me, a lady 69-ing with me and a bi guy fucking her

His cock slipping out of her and into your mouth?

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this has been a dream of mine and been talking to my fwb and wont to arrange

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

biF + biF + M

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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago

MAMOBA, miles and miles of bugger all (Aberdeenshire)

Ffm or mfm with straight guys

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wife is a little greedy attuned and would enjoy the mmf so she gets all the attention ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to watch a mmm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I organised a threesome last night, was really good considering two of them didn't turn up!

We would have turned up as our favourite is mff!

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By *ustooCouple
over a year ago

East Fife

Best turn on ever watching Mrs being fucked by another guy then joining in to finish her off but she won't allow me a 3some with another female

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Only ever done one threesome was ffm

once the girls got into it I slowly found myself being surplus to requirements

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never had the opportunity. I'd love both MFM or FMF or FFM. All depends on who comes to play

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Most definitely bi ffm

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By *lle adie 2Woman
over a year ago

newcastle upon tyne

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

Curry, chips and fried rice

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

What happened to "I'm going to be the seriously one here"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFM london anyone ? pm us

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By *am200904TV/TS
over a year ago

Lapland for Xmas

MFTV...a few more possibilities that way

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

What happened to "I'm going to be the seriously one here"

What's not serious about sketti?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFM is always a good call

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

FFM for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

What happened to "I'm going to be the seriously one here"

What's not serious about sketti?

With cheese though right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

never had mmf - but lots of mff - fff ( fffffffff) and mfm - love adding a fem to our fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Me , a bi man and a tgirl "
lil missy you kinky dinky

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By *hatstight333Couple
over a year ago

East York's.

mmf is the best for us.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm available for 3 sum fun mail me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

Mfm was totally brilliant, 2 men going to town on a very willing lady.

Would like to try mff next.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mfm for us...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mfm for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF for us (bi of course) but that may be due to the face we haven't had the opportunity to try FFM yet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

I prefer sketti

What happened to "I'm going to be the seriously one here"

What's not serious about sketti?

With cheese though right? "

Ewww not with egg

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By *emel9Man
over a year ago

West Midlands

MFM for me, ore more M's...just something about seeing a woman orchestrating 2 or more hard cocks to pleasure her.

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

There's nothing quite like a kinky FFM now, is there?

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By *p4funCouple
over a year ago

Plymouth

"Both mmf and ffm "

Both

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By *ourHotSpotMan
over a year ago

Horny Hornchurch

Only experienced a mfm, would love to try a mff....maybe one day.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bubble bath, cheesecake and candles

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By *tarburst babydollMan
over a year ago

Dingwall

Love both mmf and mff. I would like to try fff but maybe that is just being greedy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MFF obviously but want to try MFFF next . .lol"

Now that's just greedy! One willy can't go into 9 holes!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"MFM for me, ore more M's...just something about seeing a woman orchestrating 2 or more hard cocks to pleasure her. "

Orchestrating? - I now have a vision inside my head of a woman waving two cocks around like batons!

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

I could think of some rather delicious play in a fmf, in fact don't think delicious would do it justice.

Not so much in a mfm, not sure the dynamic would work, still its only a belief and beliefs should always be tested.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

....nothing better than a mfm 3sum.spoiling the lady by 'spitroasting' is a favourite of ours.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never tried but would love to with a couple of ladies (yeah yeah...

typical)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Would love a threesome any offers

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

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By *emel9Man
over a year ago

West Midlands

"MFM for me, ore more M's...just something about seeing a woman orchestrating 2 or more hard cocks to pleasure her.

Orchestrating? - I now have a vision inside my head of a woman waving two cocks around like batons!

Ohh you've been involved in one of my MFM's then? lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

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By *emel9Man
over a year ago

West Midlands

I once organised a FFMMMMMMMM, that was a very interesting afternoon lol

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????"

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

Haha! Like the subtext! Maybe I've watched too much porn

but I love the all holes kink. Recently got my first experience of a DV - there wasn't much air escaping from that orifice but God it was a LOT of fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

Haha! Like the subtext! Maybe I've watched too much porn

but I love the all holes kink. Recently got my first experience of a DV - there wasn't much air escaping from that orifice but God it was a LOT of fun

Only tried this once. - and it took some preparation to get me wide enough - but I liked it and would definitely do it again!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

Haha! Like the subtext! Maybe I've watched too much porn

but I love the all holes kink. Recently got my first experience of a DV - there wasn't much air escaping from that orifice but God it was a LOT of fun

Only tried this once. - and it took some preparation to get me wide enough - but I liked it and would definitely do it again!

Raises my hand (and other body parts as appropriate)!!

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

Haha! Like the subtext! Maybe I've watched too much porn

but I love the all holes kink. Recently got my first experience of a DV - there wasn't much air escaping from that orifice but God it was a LOT of fun

Only tried this once. - and it took some preparation to get me wide enough - but I liked it and would definitely do it again!

Good girl!

...How about regular dp?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm going to be the seriously one here (as usual). My preferred is bi mmf

ditto

katie x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

Haha! Like the subtext! Maybe I've watched too much porn

but I love the all holes kink. Recently got my first experience of a DV - there wasn't much air escaping from that orifice but God it was a LOT of fun

Only tried this once. - and it took some preparation to get me wide enough - but I liked it and would definitely do it again!

Good girl!

...How about regular dp?"

Yep - like that too!

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"MFF obviously but want to try MFFF next . .lol"
we did that with two Scandinavian women... recommended

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Had our first 3some on holiday 36 years ago we got addicted to them had many since Lady's you must try it once

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

"Love mff but would like to try for the first time mmf

done both and i have to say the woman in a mfm is a very happy woman indeed... but it has to be about the woman.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Love mff but would like to try for the first time mmf

done both and i have to say the woman in a mfm is a very happy woman indeed... but it has to be about the woman."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MFM (that is the straight one, right?) is my favourite, especially if I have known the F previously.

Airtight is fun too, only done that a couple of times.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

two hot sights one yours and some other guys dick in your girls mouth as she looks hungry for the main course.. 2 two women at your feet kissing each other as your cock pops in and out of their mouths.

tip for the girls.. yes swapping the bell end and ball sack is amazing but iff you keep your eyes at the same level, keep cheek to cheek, kiss his bell end and look in his eyes.. it will stay with him forever..

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By *aughtywifeandhimCouple
over a year ago

bedford

Had quite a few mmf and have enjoyed all of them , yet to try fmf but very willing . Also want mmf with husband watching leading to mmmf

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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago

Up on them there hills

"I could think of some rather delicious play in a fmf, in fact don't think delicious would do it justice.

Not so much in a mfm, not sure the dynamic would work, still its only a belief and beliefs should always be tested.

Change that to a ffm

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"Love mff but would like to try for the first time mmf

done both and i have to say the woman in a mfm is a very happy woman indeed... but it has to be about the woman."

Totally agree...all about sensory overload and pleasure for the woman!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Love mff but would like to try for the first time mmf

done both and i have to say the woman in a mfm is a very happy woman indeed... but it has to be about the woman.

Totally agree...all about sensory overload and pleasure for the woman!"

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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago

Bristol

The story of the first FFM threesome we ever had (all thanks to Fab!) is here, if anyone fancies a naughty read: http://www.fabswingers.com/forum/stories/364125

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Have enjoyed a few mmf's but would like to try an MFF - for research purposes of course!

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

spectacularly good writing!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Me and two other people. That's my favourite threesome."
hehe hey bet you've got a maths degree x

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

so how many fems are into ffm with a bi guys, seems to put some women off?

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

I had my first taster of FFM recently. It was a whole lot of fun

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are having a mmf tomorrow night or is it mfm or maybe a fmm. Sod it who cares it is me hubby and another guy... Lucky me xxx,x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Can't beat ffm

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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"We are having a mmf tomorrow night or is it mfm or maybe a fmm. Sod it who cares it is me hubby and another guy... Lucky me xxx,x"

Yes very lucky, have a great time

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't beat ffm

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love new pic sent you loads of messages

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Can't beat ffm

love new pic sent you loads of messages

Ohh xx sorry xx send one now so it goes to the top ... And thank you

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over a year ago

"We are having a mmf tomorrow night or is it mfm or maybe a fmm. Sod it who cares it is me hubby and another guy... Lucky me xxx,x

Yes very lucky, have a great time

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want to drive down an join us ??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MmM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so how many fems are into ffm with a bi guys, seems to put some women off?"

Meeeee

Katie x

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Me, a lady 69-ing with me and a bi guy fucking her

His cock slipping out of her and into your mouth?

Oh yes! It's why I like flavoured condoms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

mfm for me.....two up on a gorgeous woman...or perhaps even mmmf so that we can make sure that she really is air tight!

I'm with you. Love an mmf. Nothing quite like it. An airtight is not something I've been lucky enough to do but oh if I can find the woman who wants to try it...! ????

...I've not experience an 'airtight' yet...on her that is

...but yes, its high on my 'to do list' too

Haha! Like the subtext! Maybe I've watched too much porn

but I love the all holes kink. Recently got my first experience of a DV - there wasn't much air escaping from that orifice but God it was a LOT of fun

Only tried this once. - and it took some preparation to get me wide enough - but I liked it and would definitely do it again!

I've also done Dv only once but loved it will definitely be doing it again...

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By *arkstaffsMan
over a year ago

Rugeley

"MMF with a couple of bi guys

I love sharing a cock with another guy

Mmmmm! What I'd give for that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Done mmf,but going to a party tomorrow night hopefully do mff and maybe more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FFF is good for me....

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By *ratty_DamselWoman
over a year ago

Greater London

"I'm going to be the seriously one here (as usual). My preferred is bi mmf

So agree...

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By *olarfoxMan
over a year ago

North Cambs

"We are having a mmf tomorrow night or is it mfm or maybe a fmm. Sod it who cares it is me hubby and another guy... Lucky me xxx,x"

Lucky blighters they are too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

Still waiting to have my first one

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

long time fantasy of mine,

I wonder how many swingers on fab are yet to have the pleasure of a three or more some

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By *icurguycovMan
over a year ago

Leeds

I've done a few MMFs, some bi, some straight. Sucking a guy's cock whilst fucking his wife is incredible. Also she taking both our cocks in her cunt and feeling him come all over my cock.

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By *izzabelle and well hungCouple
over a year ago

Edinburgh.

We just set up a threesome with another couple as the husband watches!!!!

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

Bi MMF for me - particularly when the 3rd male is a sub, so my playmate and I can abuse and spitroast him

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"
mmf,ffm,fff damn can't think of anymore oh mmm not my fav though

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me and 2 guys....V x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm yet too have 1 but can't wait too 2 ff for me wid be just brilliant

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By *un_jlMan
over a year ago

stevenage

just gonna put it out there im available for threesome in stevenage can accomodate it aswell....come on lets be having ya lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We loved our recent mfm. Very horny! Would love to try ffm.

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By *dam_TinaCouple
over a year ago

Hampshire

mff for us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We would like FFM!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why just 3? MFM is always best 3 some though.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kik group uk dp lovers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

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haha!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx

Egg, chips and beans!

haha!!"

That did make me laugh out loud !!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'd like to be spoiled by a FMF. But I know I'd start feeling selfish, so would have to switch to MFF.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF.

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By *winkledollxCouple
over a year ago

birmingham

Answer off the day made me giggle

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mfm

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

MMF - even better if the guys are bi.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

MMF with the guys happily bisexual

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By *iewMan
Forum Mod
over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

MMF

FFM does nothing for me

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By *aneandpaulCouple
over a year ago

cleveleys

Love mmmf best one kissing me one sucking my boobs and one fucking out of this world

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Mmf, just something about working with another guy pleasing a woman to utter sexual satisfaction.

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

Not surprisingly his is FMF and hers is MFM. We had a wonderful FMF on Friday night... still tingling from the memory!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Are awesome what is your favourite combination? xx"

F+F+M or M+F+F BUT F+F+m BEST XX+M LOL

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Love a threesome - still fantasising bout a bi mmf

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By *rivate roomMan
over a year ago

Bracknell

"I organised a threesome last night, was really good considering two of them didn't turn up!

I would be too excited and wouldn't even dream of not attending if I lived local and was invited to attend.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fff would be pretty awesome !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a couple of people in mind. Have met them before and think they would be up for it at sometime

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm in a 3 way relationship so kinda becoming my normality lol.

FFM

Gonna try DP but using strap on

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