FabSwingers.com forum: TS and TV/CDs

By *olarfox OP Man
over a year ago

North Cambs

Following on from yesterday's thread, just a few other points for debate based on opinions which were thrown up.

Mainly this; Should TS (transexual girls) and TV (transvestite)or CD (cross dressers)really be separate groups on here? Or perhaps the former should even simply be classed as women on fab and permitted to explain their gender identity in their profiles?

Just putting it out there as it seems to me that transexual women are vastly different (mainly in terms of how they feel about their gender) to TV and CDs who mainly live only part time as women and some of them purely on an almost roleplay level, simply for the puposes of satisfying sex.

None of the above is meant to be judgemental and it is simply based on my observations/ experience. I'm interested in how others feel on this subject....

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By *ilmiss75Woman
over a year ago

Thornton

I think.... TS should have there own bit....

And where it is currently TS/TV.... Could maybe change to TV/CD. I feel that these two are quite simular more than the ts/tv

Only my opinion tho.

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By *olarfox OP Man
over a year ago

North Cambs

"I think.... TS should have there own bit....

And where it is currently TS/TV.... Could maybe change to TV/CD. I feel that these two are quite simular more than the ts/tv

Only my opinion tho."

My feeling exactly

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree completely. Being a TV/CD is very different from bring a TS.

Just as Eddie Izzard!

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I think it's a nice idea, but in practice would be tricky.

How do you decide who is TS and who is Tv/Cd?

What makes someone TS? Is it fully transitioned? In which case they are now the opposite sex to which they were born.

Is it someone who has had breast implants? Someone who is on hormone therapy? Someone who lives as a woman 24/7? Someone who has changed their name by deed poll? Is it someone who feels they are female? Is it just done on how much they represent the pornstar shemale image?

Further to this, how does the site administer the division?

Does the TG supply evidence, like a doctor's note? A certificate of some kind? Their word that they are what they are claiming? Or does it just come down to how they look?

I've been on a few TG sites where it has been left to the individual girly to decide if they are TS or Tv/Cd and people I know personally have picked TS, as they feel it applies to them. Nice people, nay, lovely people, but people who only glam up on a Saturday night and spend the rest of the week in drab mode.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ts are normally those who live full time as the opposite sex they are born into because that to them is the right identity. Now most are looking to transition and once have done so may well be looking to be classified as women.

Tv's don't look to transition but it's not to say they don't put in the effort to look and act feminine/masculine and for some the only reason they won't is because the fear of losing what they presently have in life ie careers, partnerships, friends and family.

Cd's will often not put as much effort in to being feminine/masculine such removal of body hair etc but like the idea of dressing in the opposite sexes clothing. Some of it may well come down to not wishing to be discovered.

For the reasons above I feel the present system works well enough as it is. Even if you did add an extra classification of allowing people to put themselves down as a cd majority probably wouldn't use it in much the same way as bi men don't often put down their true sexuality for fear of not getting meets.

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By *olarfox OP Man
over a year ago

North Cambs

Some good comments...all well considered and informative stuff..thanks for contributing !

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

I agree with Tina, everyone has different ideas of what is what.

I class myself as a CD, but some have told me I am a TV.

With a TS, there are the post operative and pre operative. Do you then differentiate between them as well?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As a TV I dont really like being lumped in with TS l. Not because I have anything against TS, far from it, but because I think it confuses people.

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By *ythenshawefredMan
over a year ago

stockport

TS/TG is different to TV/CD

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By *irceWoman
over a year ago

Gloucester

"Following on from yesterday's thread, just a few other points for debate based on opinions which were thrown up.

None of the above is meant to be judgemental and it is simply based on my observations/ experience. I'm interested in how others feel on this subject...."

Good call and yes you are right

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think.... TS should have there own bit....

And where it is currently TS/TV.... Could maybe change to TV/CD. I feel that these two are quite simular more than the ts/tv

Only my opinion tho."

Yup, I think so too. I also think SOME!!! TVs are just posh CDs who simply feel better and not as seedy, calling themselves a TV. End of the day, bloke in a frock with bloke bits underneath, and some lippy! CDs tend to keep it at home, TVs like to take it to town. TS/TG, totally different ballgame, much deeper issue which many of us can only try to understand. Very brave and extremely committed people. All respect to em. x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Yup, I think so too. I also think SOME!!! TVs are just posh CDs who simply feel better and not as seedy, calling themselves a TV. End of the day, bloke in a frock with bloke bits underneath, and some lippy!"

Miaow put your claws away before someone gets scratched

A post op Ts would most probably put themselves down as the gender they now are. Pre Op is still be a bloke in a dress with bloke bits underneath, and some lippy if male to female but attending gender reassignment therapy/on hormones according to your thinking.

Having gone to clubs which were tv friendly though I've met Tv's that were very convincing and really put the effort in to talk, walk and come across feminine yet never wish to transition. When asked why they've not wanted to said either their married with kids or in a profession that would be difficult to do so. Look at Kellie Maloney as a prefect example who only now is living as a Ts.

I've also met others that when you've asked them their name said it was 'Steve' and walked like a builder. More your 'Posh' Cd but still getting out there however making little or no effort to be the gender they are dressed as.

The world is not black and white so fine split up Ts/Tv if it really makes you happy but not Tv/Cd as thats not fair on the tv's out there that do make an effort.

My 2 pennies worth

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you think you were born as a woman,and you live your life as one, select woman. If you like wearing outrageous lingerie with to much make up while wanking or getting fucked in the ass select tv/cd/ts. Easy.

. Fill in the finer details in your profile.

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By *olarfox OP Man
over a year ago

North Cambs

"If you think you were born as a woman,and you live your life as one, select woman. "

Not sure you worded that right....seems a bit obvious to me

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By *olarfox OP Man
over a year ago

North Cambs

"If you think you were born as a woman,and you live your life as one, select woman.

Not sure you worded that right....seems a bit obvious to me

Sorry, on refection I think you were saying 'if you think you should have been born a woman...'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If you think you were born as a woman,and you live your life as one, select woman.

Not sure you worded that right....seems a bit obvious to me

Sorry, on refection I think you were saying 'if you think you should have been born a woman...'

You're probably right , but if the said woman has a cock surely selecting woman is wrong ?

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

I am a pre op transgender. Within one week, all of my legal documents will refer to me as a woman I think like a woman, I act like a woman.. The law tells me I am a woma. Guys treat me (and fall in love with a woman).I have Breasts. I have a (Non functioning ) cock. I alsow have (Non functioning) Canine teeth. As do the rest of you.xxx
"If you think you were born as a woman,and you live your life as one, select woman.

Not sure you worded that right....seems a bit obvious to me

Sorry, on refection I think you were saying 'if you think you should have been born a woman...'

You're probably right , but if the said woman has a cock surely selecting woman is wrong ? "

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

Sorry, what I am really trying to say, is nature designs creatures for the most effienct method of survival, it gives some massive animals small cocks. It makes others quicker, slower, stronger, ect. some have both sexes combined. Male seahorses give birth.

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

One thing is certain. Nature didn't design The magnificent human body purely for the requirements of swingers clubs.(God forbid, having been to loads) Best just to accept folk as they are,and have fun.xxx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sorry, what I am really trying to say, is nature designs creatures for the most effienct method of survival, it gives some massive animals small cocks. It makes others quicker, slower, stronger, ect. some have both sexes combined. Male seahorses give birth.

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

Couldn't agree more , and we have played with tv's and had great fun .

It's sad for those born with the wrong body , but it is what it is and with a cock I am sorry but by definition putting female on a profile is not right .

Any more than a female without a cock putting male on a profile .

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

Couldn't agree more , and we have played with tv's and had great fun .

It's sad for those born with the wrong body , but it is what it is and with a cock I am sorry but by definition putting female on a profile is not right .

Any more than a female without a cock putting male on a profile . "
Why do you say it is sad ? that is just a personal judgment, and in bad taste. And it is not wrong 'by definition', you oercieve it as wrong. the laws in most of the civilysed world, and scientific community, do not say that. a transgended person is the sex their brain decides, a cock on a woman is just an appendage, like nipples on a man- useless, but there. Obviously, you dont really understand what you are talking about, and possibly have been playing with cd's ect.

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

Couldn't agree more , and we have played with tv's and had great fun .

It's sad for those born with the wrong body , but it is what it is and with a cock I am sorry but by definition putting female on a profile is not right .

Any more than a female without a cock putting male on a profile . Why do you say it is sad ? that is just a personal judgment, and in bad taste. And it is not wrong 'by definition', you oercieve it as wrong. the laws in most of the civilysed world, and scientific community, do not say that. a transgended person is the sex their brain decides, a cock on a woman is just an appendage, like nipples on a man- useless, but there. Obviously, you dont really understand what you are talking about, and possibly have been playing with cd's ect."
( meant do say).

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've often wondered about that.

Also is it polite to ask the tv/ts/cd which catagory they fall in to?

Should it change how I speak and treat her? Bit of a minefield

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think the real point is that someone wanting to meet a TS or a TV or a CD needs to know what they are getting. And I reckon guys know what they want. I adore being a TV - never sure whether I could be a TS but life as a TV is very sexy.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I may be wrong here.....but if you want to meet a post op TS wouldn't you be just as happy with a woman?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leave it as it is...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

You've got it backwards nature doesn't design anything with any goal in mind.

Thing specialise and adapt to the environment they're in but not as a proactive aproach.

It's not "ahh it's cold I better grow thicker fur"

It's "ahhhh it's cold those with thinner fur have died"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *ilmiss75Woman
over a year ago

Thornton

"TS/TG is different to TV/CD"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think the real point is that someone wanting to meet a TS or a TV or a CD needs to know what they are getting. And I reckon guys know what they want. I adore being a TV - never sure whether I could be a TS but life as a TV is very sexy."

That there is spot on which is why can understand people saying there is a difference between a ts and a tv but likewise a tv and a cd are different as well. Split them all up ok but group tv's & cd's together?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So it should be woman/post op ts. Or tv/cd or really good tv...leave it as it is eh?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

Couldn't agree more , and we have played with tv's and had great fun .

It's sad for those born with the wrong body , but it is what it is and with a cock I am sorry but by definition putting female on a profile is not right .

Well that's your perspective and to clarify mine here it is from the way Iit would be perceived by us .

If we met a female we would expect a vagina and not a cock . To suggest the cock is an appendage like nipples on a man is farcical . When does one fuck a guys nipples ?

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but if a profile says female and there is no vagina and a cock resides where a females vagina would be it's not a female .

Sorry if that offends you but that's how we see it .

It's perfectly fine to live as a woman , and indeed call yourself a woman to anyone other than those you are gonna fuck , because it just isn't gonna work is it ?

2 of the tv's we have played with were pre op ... had breasts but still had cocks . We knew this before we met and all was great . The others were cds .What was equally memorable with all the meets was the fact that we were all 100% comfortable with each other and who we were .

So whether you agree or not it matters not to me - I remain firm on this issue .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Me to lol

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By *hortieWoman
over a year ago

Northampton

It would be great if CD/TV/TS could all be seperated. (I am simplifying my thinking here) - to me:

CD is simply a guy who likes the feel of womens clothing, and has no great desire to be regarded as a woman while doing so. It just feels good.

TV generally takes on a female persona - ranging from mild to wanting to be regarded as a female while dressed up.

TS generally wish to be regarded as the sex they deem fitting for their mind. They can either 'be in the wrong body' and they wish to change that and 'put things right', or they can be happy with both (i'e some will be quite happy with breasts, hormones and keeping their cock, or the other way round if the TS is F to M).. but they do not enjoy associating as the gender they were born with.

Occasionally, I see pre-op TS' regarded as TV - and it can be hurtful to them.

This is an age old debate on here, and it seems like they have to put up with it on here, unfortunately.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

This has been covered many times in the years I've been here. For anyone not detailing their profile or others who don't bother to read profiles then it can leave some lack of clarity.

To get everyone to categorize themselves again would take a lot of effort and they'd be meaningless until they were all redone.

And all because people don't spend good communication time upfront. People don't fit into boxes easily and gender has fluidity, so is better left as someone choosing either male, female or this alternative that we have and all being free to select as they wish.

Facebook has a ton of identifying tags apparently. Make it complicated or easy.

Ultimately it is an individuals own legal right to define their gender as they see fit. Not to make others' lives easier or for technology to be able to address or support them.

Interested potentially in someone? Contact and speak with them. If they get enough messages that hint their profile could be aided by more clarity, then maybe they'll do it.

But it is a right for us all to understand and self-define in life and here, and this doesn't just relate to gender. I find sometimes that people who want everything to be black or white usually exist in a very simple mindset, limited with empathy for others who may not be in such an enviable or distorted position in life.

When this is repeatedly raised here, coupled with insinuations against peoples sexual orientation for possibly having some interest in transgender people I find it troubling and bordering on hate speech. Much of it should stop as its harassment and potentially illegal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like a TS that has tits. Have not found any on the site ? Anyone out there message us. I feel TS and TV & CD should be seperated. But would like to see a section for chat kik and skype only as well

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By *oretta DelamonteTV/TS
over a year ago

Birmingham

It doesnt always get it right, and we do not have a tiny atom of the knowledge needed to explain this.

Couldn't agree more , and we have played with tv's and had great fun .

It's sad for those born with the wrong body , but it is what it is and with a cock I am sorry but by definition putting female on a profile is not right .

Well that's your perspective and to clarify mine here it is from the way Iit would be perceived by us .

If we met a female we would expect a vagina and not a cock . To suggest the cock is an appendage like nipples on a man is farcical . When does one fuck a guys nipples ?

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but if a profile says female and there is no vagina and a cock resides where a females vagina would be it's not a female .

Sorry if that offends you but that's how we see it .

It's perfectly fine to live as a woman , and indeed call yourself a woman to anyone other than those you are gonna fuck , because it just isn't gonna work is it ?

So whether you agree or not it matters not to me - I remain firm on this issue . "
Firstly, you are confusing tv's with transgender.Secondly, meeting people isn't all about fucking, well, you might think so from your comments, but for most folk it isnt. Fab has the same legal responsibilities as every other private company in the uk, when supplying goods and services under the sexual equality act, to , if a person presents as female, and the law accepts they are female, they must be listed as female, very simple-still with me?. okay. as far as it being farcical to compare both genders having nipples with both genders having or not having cocks, are you aware of the fact that a lot of people are born with the sex organs of both genders? how do you think they decide to keep the set that will match the percieved gender of the person? a team of proffesionals. Oh wait....isnt that the same as gender reassignment........?

As a transgender, I would always point out to a guy that contacted me what I was, but I dont feel I need to wear it like a Jewish star on my back, for fear of upsetting the general public.

Strange, isnt it, I find women who dont swing tend to be very accepting of trans, and treat us as equals, whereas a lot of 'swinging' women see us as 'a bit of fun on the side for hubby', rather than A real person. Statements like' we have had lots of fun with tv's' dont help.- we are not goldfish or pet rats you know. Seems some swinging women find us just too much of a threat when hubby dips his feet.lol.x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2 of the tv's we have played with were pre op ... had breasts but still had cocks . We knew this before we met and all was great . The others were cds "

They were TS if they were pre op and the rest might have been Tv's or Cd's thing is everyone has their own interpretation as seem on here, trans sites in fact the internet overall.

Loretta though I do see their point

"It's perfectly fine to live as a woman , and indeed call yourself a woman to anyone other than those you are gonna fuck , because it just isn't gonna work is it ?

As you stated you would inform someone before a meet that you hadn't had reassignment surgery but many see things in the binary. Imagine what potentially might happen in a Pre op ts joined the site as a woman? Ok they might legally be a woman at this point but then they arrange a meet without informing that they have a non functioning penis. The guy or girl was expecting a woman with a vagina so has been misled and will be an uncomfortable situation for both.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"2 of the tv's we have played with were pre op ... had breasts but still had cocks . We knew this before we met and all was great . The others were cds

They were TS if they were pre op and the rest might have been Tv's or Cd's thing is everyone has their own interpretation as seem on here, trans sites in fact the internet overall.

Loretta though I do see their point

It's perfectly fine to live as a woman , and indeed call yourself a woman to anyone other than those you are gonna fuck , because it just isn't gonna work is it ?

Exactly what we are trying to say .

And we are relatively new to the whole TV, ts , tg , cd , gender reassignment etc...., so please excuse our ignorance . It's not intentional . We just like having fun with everyone we meet .

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

I would say the "categories" need to be seperate because they are very different.

For a start not all transsexuals are male to female.

I KNOW! It's amazing! FtMs do actually exist!

I'm guessing those who set up Fab in the first place may not have been aware of us or assumed we wouldn't be interested in a site like this.

So at first glance I would guess that people think I'm a guy who cross dresses. I can tell you now, I'm definitely not.

And anyway, even without taking FtMs into consideration, TS is completely different from TV, and just because you are interested in one doesn't mean you're interested in the other, but you need to search through a lot of people to find who you are interested in.

So really it should seperated along the lines of TS/TG and TV/CD.

Simple really.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would say the "categories" need to be seperate because they are very different.

For a start not all transsexuals are male to female.

I KNOW! It's amazing! FtMs do actually exist!

I'm guessing those who set up Fab in the first place may not have been aware of us or assumed we wouldn't be interested in a site like this.

So at first glance I would guess that people think I'm a guy who cross dresses. I can tell you now, I'm definitely not.

So really it should seperated along the lines of TS/TG and TV/CD.

Simple really."

I don't dress full time but when I do I become female. I would have become a ts but my life didn't allow for that. So would I put myself down as a ts, tv or cd?

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By *ensualtouch15Man
over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"This has been covered many times in the years I've been here. For anyone not detailing their profile or others who don't bother to read profiles then it can leave some lack of clarity.

To get everyone to categorize themselves again would take a lot of effort and they'd be meaningless until they were all redone.

Facebook has a ton of identifying tags apparently. Make it complicated or easy.

Ultimately it is an individuals own legal right to define their gender as they see fit. Not to make others' lives easier or for technology to be able to address or support them.

Interested potentially in someone? Contact and speak with them. If they get enough messages that hint their profile could be aided by more clarity, then maybe they'll do it.

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

I'm curious... has anyone ever asked Admin if there's an option to add CD / TV / TS as separate tick boxes?

Surely it can't be that hard to add a couple of new options and then individuals can choose to label themselves on their own terms rather than picking a 'one size doesn't quite fit all' option.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm curious... has anyone ever asked Admin if there's an option to add CD / TV / TS as separate tick boxes?

Surely it can't be that hard to add a couple of new options and then individuals can choose to label themselves on their own terms rather than picking a 'one size doesn't quite fit all' option.

It's been asked a lot.

I think they fired the gut who actually designed the site ages ago which is why nothing ever changes as no one knows how now lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My experience with dressing has been quite progressive. At first it was for fun/sex.

Now it seems to be getting more serious. I have to make an effort not to leave my old self behind. Meeting a guy who I quickly developed feelings for also takes me along the traditional route.

It's not simple to understand your own feelings no matter anyone else's.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Transitional not traditional.

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

So really it should seperated along the lines of TS/TG and TV/CD.

Simple really.

I don't dress full time but when I do I become female. I would have become a ts but my life didn't allow for that. So would I put myself down as a ts, tv or cd?"

That is completely up to you and how you would want to be viewed as by those you are trying to attract.

Would multiple choice work as an option?

It's just that they are completely different groups of people.

To lump everyone together can be seen as quite insulting. If someone called me a transvestite or a cross dresser I'd tell them where to go as I am neither of those. I'm sure many MtFs would quite like to be seperated from TV/CD too as that's not what they are.

It actually wouldn't be that difficult to split them and, if people wanted it, create a multiple choice, as these aren't sexualities they are genders. Sexualities are a completely different subject where even I go "What on earth does that mean?" as there are sooo many of them!

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By *irtyGirlWoman
over a year ago

Edinburgh

"I'm curious... has anyone ever asked Admin if there's an option to add CD / TV / TS as separate tick boxes?

Surely it can't be that hard to add a couple of new options and then individuals can choose to label themselves on their own terms rather than picking a 'one size doesn't quite fit all' option.

It's been asked a lot.

I think they fired the gut who actually designed the site ages ago which is why nothing ever changes as no one knows how now lol"

Oh... I know the bloke who started the site before he sold it. I wonder if he took all the knowledge with him!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think people should take responsibility for the content of their own profile information....

It's much easier for everyone if people just make an effort to explain what they offer and expect from their membership here......

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think people should take responsibility for the content of their own profile information....

It's much easier for everyone if people just make an effort to explain what they offer and expect from their membership here......

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

Yeah people always use "but how would it be policed as a reason not to do this.

It doesn't need to be people will put what they feel they are and it will still simplify things massively.

Also people do seem to get on all the moral high horse about the differences etc

Let's be clear here we want it separated so that it's easier to use the site search engine to find people to shag, it's not exactly the forefront of human rights issues

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

Tick box makes searching easier as the site can't search profile text

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I think people should take responsibility for the content of their own profile information....

It's much easier for everyone if people just make an effort to explain what they offer and expect from their membership here......

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

It is clear on my profile what I am, that doesn't mean it gets read before I am contacted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's clear on my profile what I am and offer. I do think I need to update it though as my trans life is becoming more a part of me as I tell more and more people in my world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

Tick box makes searching easier as the site can't search profile text"

We already have a tick box for TV/TS....

What's missing ?

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

Tick box makes searching easier as the site can't search profile text

We already have a tick box for TV/TS....

What's missing ?

A seperate box for each of them.

A transvestite and a transsexual are not the same.

To seperate them would make it clear for those searching who is which without having to read through their profile (if they have made it clear in their profile), many don't bother reading ...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Simple specific written information negates any reason to create more confusion by adding extra tick boxes...

Tick box makes searching easier as the site can't search profile text

We already have a tick box for TV/TS....

What's missing ?

A seperate box for each of them.

A transvestite and a transsexual are not the same.

To seperate them would make it clear for those searching who is which without having to read through their profile (if they have made it clear in their profile), many don't bother reading ..."

Oh'com...... its not like your faced with an impossible task by the amount of profile results that appear when you click on the TV/TS option....

Then if you apply the added filter options provided by the site that narrows it down even further ......

So to suggest it's still overly tasking to read those profile just sounds lazy at best and even a tad arrogant ...... no-one on this site should expect to have things handed on a plate.... partially people who don't bother using the filters already provided by the site .....

That's my take on it....

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

These type of threads always go the same way. The transvestites and cross dressers want no changes, the transgenders want to be, quite rightly, separated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"These type of threads always go the same way. The transvestites and cross dressers want no changes, the transgenders want to be, quite rightly, separated."

Its not that I don't want change its just find myself apathetic to many of the lame reasons proposed by people who demand the site panders to a specific agenda which won't provide a 100% cast-iron solution to what is in reality a minuscule inconvenience .....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Did a search for tv/ts within 20 miles, with public photos looking to meet a couple within our age requirements. 253 results but by page 5 was getting to profiles that had been inactive for weeks. Thats significantly less then doing the same search for women so hate to think what the ratio is between tv/ts to men

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We are on a profile based contact site.... therefore its not unreasonable to expect members to take responsibility for providing relevantly informative content on their profile....

It not unreasonable to expect people searching for potential partners to read profiles in order to find a potentially compatible match....

Tick box only navigate they don't assess ......

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

Whilst the gender identity topic is very interesting to some people, to the mainstream world (and to a large section of the FabS world) there are only two genders; male and female. And these are defined by male=penis, female=vagina

I would honestly be be peeved off if I was eagerly waiting to meet a guy on a Saturday evening and when we got down to it, he had a vagina. I guess, that is where a lot of profile 'explanations' will be needed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

couldn't agree with you more ,most just don't know the difference,well put my friend ,its nice to know that at least some one else dose ,,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that."

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

Transgenders don't necessarily think they deserve special recognition, the ones brave/bothered enough to respond to these kind of threads simply don't want to be lumped in with (wo)men who dress as the opposite sex for sexual gratification.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

You see you've now introduced an incorrect assumption which completely devalues the point of an interesting debate,,,,

So having genuinely considered what you have said thus far ,,,,,,I'm still happy to stick with my opinions rather than risk provoking personalised assumptions of a kind you've shown yourself unable to resist,,,...

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

I think you have made a very valid point; and so has a couple where one half is now female

Having said that, why on Earth someone who is now legally, physiologically and anatomically female want to start a profile as TG/CD/TS/TV is something I do not understand

So, the current system is just fine as it is. Male and female are genders; TV/TS/CD/TG are either male or female depending on ones outlook

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

You see you've now introduced an incorrect assumption which completely devalues the point of an interesting debate,,,,

I'd use the rolling eyes emoji but......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

You see you've now introduced an incorrect assumption which completely devalues the point of an interesting debate,,,,

I'd use the rolling eyes emoji but......"

Here let me do it for you.....

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By *allipygousMan
over a year ago

Leicester

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

I think you have made a very valid point; and so has a couple where one half is now female

Having said that, why on Earth someone who is now legally, physiologically and anatomically female want to start a profile as TG/CD/TS/TV is something I do not understand

So, the current system is just fine as it is. Male and female are genders; TV/TS/CD/TG are either male or female depending on ones outlook"

Yes, I'd agree, for those who have gone through the full gender realignment, those that have had surgery to fully look like the gender they were not assigned at birth, but, my comments relate to transgenders that are "pre-op".

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

I think you have made a very valid point; and so has a couple where one half is now female

Having said that, why on Earth someone who is now legally, physiologically and anatomically female want to start a profile as TG/CD/TS/TV is something I do not understand

So, the current system is just fine as it is. Male and female are genders; TV/TS/CD/TG are either male or female depending on ones outlook"

Not everyone has all the surgeries necessary to change their genitalia, a lot of people don't. This is for many reasons including the fact that it is *major* surgery and not everyone can or wants to put themselves through it. Also, especially for MtF, there are a *lot* of issues currently with surgeons and the waiting list is huge. I'm sure they would love to tick the box for "Man" or "Woman" but because of the type of site this is they know this would cause confusion and attract nastiness from those who are not open minded.

I started off on gay apps saying that I was male, this quickly turned awkward when I had to explain what my body actually was, which is why I am upfront about it from the start now. Even after surgery has finished I will not be able to hide what I am (even if I wasn't keeping my vagina). I have come to terms with this and am fine with it, I guess I should just feel fine with being a minority lumped in a group of people I share very little with, as should every other transman and trans woman even though the majority are trying to distance themselves from TV/CDs in "real" life because that is not what they are and they are trying to fight the image that gives of them to others who assume they are all just the same.

It's strange how every other app I am on can tell the difference between the completely different groups and so seperate them, but here people think that we are all the same so what's the point.

But I have been on here long enough to know that for those who have to make the changes it is easier to just leave things as they are.

I'm sure many of us are missing out on potential meets because of this but I suppose that personally I should take it as a compliment that guys just think I crossdress and not that I used to be female

For MtFs I'm sure it's an insult to be viewed as just another TV/CD though

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"Inclusion is the most respectful form of acceptance and yet we have people who crave recognition by further segregation......

Make you think ......

Some people don't want to be included with groups of people they are separate from. Try accepting and respecting that.

That's a fair and valid point...

But I don't respect prejudice...

I'm happy to embrace everyone equally..

Even people who think they deserves special recognition,,,,

As far as I can tell no-one is showing any form of prejudice on this thread.

You say you embrace everyone equally but your frequent use of the rolling eyes emoji implies otherwise.

I think you have made a very valid point; and so has a couple where one half is now female

Having said that, why on Earth someone who is now legally, physiologically and anatomically female want to start a profile as TG/CD/TS/TV is something I do not understand

So, the current system is just fine as it is. Male and female are genders; TV/TS/CD/TG are either male or female depending on ones outlook

OK, I see your point; I didn't think of that

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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago

Cardiff

I have just realised that my comments may come across as, I can't think of the right word and I think "insulting" is too strong? but I guess I'll have to go with it as my brain won't kick in!, insulting to TV/CDs.

I do not mean them to be in anyway and I apologise for that.

I only realised when my brain just went

Maybe that is why TV/CDs are happy with the way this are because it must be quite a compliment to be mistaken for a transwoman?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I struggle to see why it is an issue to potential meets on here wether you are a tv or ts. If this was a dating site then I could see the problem but as this is a site for casual sex why the interest in how someone lives their life? I see more men talking about separating them for ease of finding hotties than trans people saying they don't want to be grouped together.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

After doing some further reading will apologise as my interpretation was wrong as Tv in the LGBT community is the same as CD and to some causes offense so cased as outdated. Yes a Cd and a Ts are different but Ts's would still have to define their state of transition and a Cd would still have to define their amount of effort they put in to being like the opposite sex regardless of if they were separated or not.

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By *adystephanieTV/TS
over a year ago

glos

Ok so put us in little boxes to amuse yourselves ...truth is most of us don't really mind which category you put us in, as long as you can accept us for what we are, I have straight, gay, and bi, cd, tv, and ts, friends ...to me there just friends

Segregate, isolate, alienate......

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By *osieWoman
over a year ago

Wembley

"I struggle to see why it is an issue to potential meets on here wether you are a tv or ts. If this was a dating site then I could see the problem but as this is a site for casual sex why the interest in how someone lives their life? I see more men talking about separating them for ease of finding hotties than trans people saying they don't want to be grouped together. "

The penis or vagina may be a deciding factor for potential meets when wanting to meet a guy wearing a dress instead of a woman. I know it would be for me even though I am looking for casual sex

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